April Fools - Advance planning & ideas - CENSORED THREAD

[Del Murder]

I think I have food poisoning.

[Shlup]

Do you really?

[Del Murder]

I feel like dying, but I have to wait for the laundry. Enough about me. Looks like we got over that little bump with the help from D and Raistlin. Kishi-Shlup is right, with all these bannings it makes sense that another one would be considered a joke, but once the other stuff kicks in we should be good.

Goodnight everyone. Just act like you normally would I guess would be the best bet. And have fun!
:)

[Shlup]

Poor boo boo. If I was there I would rub your tummy tum. Hope you feel better.

[Shlup]

This is me just logging in after being gone all day and seeing what went down and stating that I don't think Kishi should be banned 'cause blah blah blah. I suppose we'll unban him tomorrow or something.

[Leeza]

RSL, give Del some of your Tums!

[Shlup]

Jesus! It's March 23rd and these people are suspicious! Next year we're gonna have to start in January.

[Yamaneko]

This is a little less funny now that the whole "this could be a joke" is out in public view.

[Shlup]

That's my point; here I thought we were starting early enough to throw everyone off, but dang. I still think it's going swimmingly though.

[Shlup]

At the very least lets not go back to normal until the very very end of April Fools Day.

[Big D]

I feel like dying, but I have to wait for the laundry.
Quote of the century.

People are expecting something for April Fool's, and we did a ban joke last year. The general consensus seems to be that Kishi really is banned, especially since Raist saw his 'illicit hentai' and agrees that an outright ban is the only possible response.

People are gonna remember recent tensions in staff - and I'm sure Raist and Proto will help them remember if they somehow forgot - and then they'll see us bitching at each other in the next couple of days; I'm sure our acting will kid most of them.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, you guys, just go with it. They can think it's all a joke if they want, good for them. They haven't seen all the other crap we're going to do, and then they'll think EVERYTHING is a joke, and then at least we'll have two new Knights out of it and we can even 'undo' things slowly - ie, re-Knight/admin people at the start of the day but not return Feedback until the end of it, and they'll also think the two new Knights will be a joke but then they'll be REAL so yeah. Or something. But I do agree with Kishi.

Chatted to foa, she knows the score now.

*goes off invisible* I am here!

[Shlup]

I think it'd be more fun to just erase all evidence of the joke (except the new knights) right at the end of the day and not say anything for at least a full 24 hours.

And I'm also here, by the way. For prolly another hour while I figure out if my roomate's being arrested or not.

[Loony BoB]

I'm going to post in Raist's LJ entry saying "We're still working on it; chill our" when I'm "back" and see how he reacts to that. I want at least Del or BoB to get here before then though.

[Shlup]

I did it after Del showed up. ^_^

[Loony BoB]

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Yesterday, before Kishi was banned (I think), I got this PM...

[Loony BoB]

I did it after Del showed up. ^_^
So why isn't Kishi a Knight again? Or is that so it looks like we decided on just giving a 'lesser punishment'?

[Shlup]

That does sound fun... T_T

[Shlup]

So why isn't Kishi a Knight again? Or is that so it looks like we decided on just giving a 'lesser punishment'?
I logged in after everything had died down, so we're pretending I'm arguing against Kishi being banned. I didn't want to just jump in and be like "No way, he's not banned!" and unban him straight away. Plus, my brain really isn't functioning so I didn't want to make any decisions about anything.

[Shlup]

I'm out for the nice. *sleep*

[Yamaneko]

Nice.

Let's just make Bleys an admin again and get it over with.

[Loony BoB]

On the start of April Fools, we should do a more minor joke, I nominate that we change all the forum links to links to the main forum index, so clicking them will only bring you to where you were before. You'd have to type in the complete url in order to get into the actual forum itself.

[crono_logical]

That would be a nightmare to do, wouldn't it? :p Unless adding Forum Links to an existing forum does not destroy the contents of the forum. If it doesn't (so is easily undoable), I think that'd be great as a minor joke though, yeah :D

EDIT: Would that actually work? Or would typing in the full URL still redirect? Maybe we'd have to hide all the forums and create new fake duplicates for the links.

[crono_logical]

Actually, never mind - it can be done en-masse without aforementioned problems just by tweaking the templates :p

[Big D]

We could re-arrange all the forum links - so the EoEO link takes you to FFI-IV, and so on.
Then, it'd look like we're doing something lame and mildly amusing for April Fool's, when the real joke is still festering.

When's Kishi getting unbanned?

[Loony BoB]

Shlup will do it, I guess sometime today. Don't forget to unban him and then Knight him or unban him and just leave him as a Secret Squirrel so he still has staff access.

[Loony BoB]

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[RSL]

Here's jojo posted in Raistlin's LJ.

La de da this is such April Fools material. ^_^ And if I'm more content believing that just because it gives me a sense of security to beileve in something when things don't make sense (hah, religion? *cough run*), then so be it.

[Loony BoB]

It was inevitable that some people would think it's a joke. Don't worry. Let's just keep going. As for Raist's LJ, the entry is here and it seems public: http://www.livejournal.com/users/raistlinknight/40254.html

[RSL]

Oh, I'm not worried. The best is yet to come.

[Loony BoB]

To be honest, even if they guess what's going on before it's all over, I'll still be happy. I mean, it's ten times better to have something that the members are unsure about rather than just, you know, make a fake staff forum and pretend we didn't realise it. Or post as banned members. I mean, really. :p

[Loony BoB]

Also, I think we shouldn't re-Knight Kishi, just re-member-ise him. In other words make him a Secret Squirrel. That way we could say "He's been punished. He got demoted, that's punishment. He didn't get away with it, as he's no longer a Knight."

[crono_logical]

I think maybe reknight first, then squirrel the second time he's unbanned, or the other way round, whichever works better, might be nicer :p

[Loony BoB]

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[Loony BoB]

WesM 118: ...are you hiding? =o
Boony LoB: I'm... at work? =o
WesM 118: Oh, ok. I thought you were working from home today.
Boony LoB: Tomorow.
Boony LoB: rr*
WesM 118: Ah
WesM 118: Bleys is starting to get on my nerves.
Boony LoB: How?
WesM 118: "Kishi took HOOTER's way out...who's next?"
WesM 118: *HOOTERS's
WesM 118: Me: ARGH, Kishi didn't "take a way out." He made a mistake.
Boony LoB: Oh, that. Bah. That's his view, and it's wrong, so yeah. Bleys is sometimes wrong.
WesM 118: Jumping to conclusions. *slaps Bleys*
Boony LoB: Tempted to unban. Heh.
WesM 118: Unban HOOTERS while you're at it.
Boony LoB: Considering the banning was a one-person decision. Well, sort of.
Boony LoB: Daryl came along and was like "ban!"
WesM 118: Which is what would've happened if anyone else but Kishi did it, you kow.
WesM 118: *know
Boony LoB: Mm.
Boony LoB: But if nobody else sees the picture, we could claim it was a lesser pic.
Boony LoB: Everyone wants him back, obviously.
WesM 118: Staff can make it's own decisions. But I won't be party to a lie to justify it. Either his actions were banworthy, or they weren't.
Boony LoB: Hm hm hm.
WesM 118: The only fair solution I see is to unban Peter-what's-his-name and HOOTERS and them and not make it a bannable offence anymore.
Boony LoB: Psh.
Boony LoB: Life's not always fair, eh? :P
Boony LoB: We'd have to undo Linus for that, too. And then HOORJ, and all those others.
WesM 118: Yep.
Boony LoB: I'm thinking we demote Kishi, not ban.
Boony LoB: It's still a strong punishment...
WesM 118: That's the only objective way out. The rest is wrong.
Boony LoB: ?
WesM 118: I meant that making a new rule was the only objectively logical way out. Any other is purely subjective.
Boony LoB: We're EoFF - we're not logical!
WesM 118: You also claim to have no favoritism.
Boony LoB: Shhhh
Boony LoB: >_>
WesM 118: "I'd ban my best friend if he broke the rules."
Boony LoB: Kishi's not my best friend. :D
WesM 118: You also have to think of the message your decision would send to the rest of the board.
Boony LoB: He'd be punished by demotion.
Boony LoB: That's still pretty strong.
WesM 118: No - the message would be that posting porn is instaban except if Staff likes you enough.
Boony LoB: Last I heard, Shlup wants to keep him as a Knight, or at least that's the impression I got.
Boony LoB: Hey, we liked HOOTERS. :-(
Boony LoB: And I liked Baloki. :-(
Boony LoB: And Linus but he had it coming. :-(
WesM 118: And you banned them.
Boony LoB: They wanted to be banned (first two) and Linus had 50,000,000 warnings.
Boony LoB: (slight exaggeration)
WesM 118: So you put your job against your own personal wishes.
Boony LoB: c'mon, even the BAoTW people are saying he should come back
WesM 118: They're not staff members. They don't have the requirement nor expectation of objectivity.
Boony LoB: Yeah, well. I dunno. We'll see how it goes.
WesM 118: Question. If you posted an "instaban image"...what would you expect to happen?
Boony LoB: Depends on who saw me first. xD
Boony LoB: it*
WesM 118: Bull<img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>.
Boony LoB: Well. I'd expect to be banned by 99% of people but I would imagine that they would give me trial to find out if someone else was on my PC or even if it was a closer friend like Shlup, I expect she'd cover it up immediately.
Boony LoB: Of course, I'd never post a controversial image.
WesM 118: No. But if you did, you'd expect to be banned - barring rare circumstances.
Boony LoB: Rare circumstances. :-)
Boony LoB: Like this one.
WesM 118: Rare circumstances such as others hijacking your computer.
WesM 118: Or you linking to a webpage with porn on it that you didn't know had porn.
Boony LoB: So. Kishi got hijacked! That's all the world needs to know.
Boony LoB: What they don't know can't hurt them :D?
WesM 118: Kishi wouldn't say that. Plus, it's already advertised.
Boony LoB: eh?
Boony LoB: Oh. Hm.
WesM 118: How many people know now that Kishi was banned? This is very late to consider a cover-up.
Boony LoB: We could say it was a light-level image that we had to consider.
Boony LoB: We could even say it was an April Fools joke gone wrong.
WesM 118: Ok. As long as if I ever do something like that, I'll get off too.
Boony LoB: Some people already seem to think so... it'd be the perfect cover up.
Boony LoB: You? Dude, we've been trying to ban you for years.
WesM 118: Har.
WesM 118: *shakes head* It's wrong, man, and you know it. But even if somehow you guys do decide to unban him, you can't let him off completely.
Boony LoB: Well, if it was the "joke" idea, we could...
Boony LoB: They'd never know :D
Oh man, I'm so starting the conspiracy theories now!
WesM 118: You would.
Boony LoB: I've done worse things in my life that I won't get into.
WesM 118: As have I. That doesn't justify "lesser" wrongs.
WesM 118: I also doubt you would get all the staff to agree to lie.
Boony LoB: We'll see.
Boony LoB: I can be quite manipulative. =x
Boony LoB: Er, bad wording.
WesM 118: Extremely.
Boony LoB: I can be quite persuasive. xD
WesM 118: Hasn't worked on me yet.
Boony LoB: It's difficult to teach an old dog.
WesM 118: Or one who goes by what he says.
Boony LoB: Only girls can pull guilt trips on me. xD

And then we went off and talked about Unne's antics.

WesM 118: Are you starting the discussion up again in Staff or are you trying to convert the admins individually?
Boony LoB: Staff. I'm a big let's-all-cuddle kind of guy, after all.
Boony LoB: I'm known in #eoff as the "anti-ban" guy or something, apparently.
Boony LoB: For a few months now - not just for this thing.


Possible revised courses of action...
1) Shlup unbans Kishi and leaves him as a member (secret squirrel). The deal is we say it was a 'lesser image' that wasn't banworthy.
2) Big D, Daryl and Leeza all step down as they feel it was banworthy, and that staff has too many bad issues going on, what with not listening to Big D, elitism, the posting in closed threads and the staff abusing powers.
3) 'Stuff' follows.
4) Roogle closes Feedback.
5) Del Murder and Yams step down.
6) eest and foa are Knighted to fill the gap.

OR

1) Shlup unbans Kishi and re-Knights him. The deal is we say it was going to be part of a joke but people were figuring it out too fast and we were having trouble making it work, and gave up.
2) Big D, Daryl and Leeza all step down as they feel it was banworthy, and that staff has too many bad issues going on, what with not listening to Big D, elitism, the posting in closed threads and the staff abusing powers. They also mention that there are certain things they can't talk about but they're to do with Kishi and they feel he should have been banned, ie, there was no joke...
3) 'Stuff' follows.
4) Roogle closes Feedback.
5) Del Murder and Yams step down.
6) eest and foa are Knighted to fill the gap.

The first would cause controversy over bannings and favouritism.
The second would cause conspiracy and controversy, but it's difficult to say if it would fool people... we could even have one of the five who step down reveal everything that went on at some point, making a bit of a rant. I'd say it would best be Big D.

[Loony BoB]

Boony LoB: I think maybe it'll be best if I just stay out of this one. I'm very distracted by offline matters.
Boony LoB: Shlup seems to be holding ground well.
WesM 118: Probably.
WesM 118: What does Shlup have to say about it?
Boony LoB: She's pro-Kishi.
WesM 118: On what grounds?
Boony LoB: That's all I'll say, I'm not one to repeat posts. =P
WesM 118: Bah.
WesM 118: Does she have an actual reason beyond "we want Kishi back?"
Boony LoB: Read my last chat-line.
Boony LoB: :P
WesM 118: I doubt it. I've been trying to think of a good reason since yesterday afternoon, and I've come up blank.
Boony LoB: *shrugs*

later...

Boony LoB: EoFF = Stress.
Boony LoB: Everything else = Bliss.
Boony LoB: Good as any time to take a break. xD
WesM 118: Kind of backwards, don't you think?
Boony LoB: Only because of things that are out of my control. :P

But yeah, if I get bugged this much I'll struggle to do my offline things, so I'm trying to drop hints as to "leave me alone!" >=P I'm going to leave more of this up to you guys for now, it's fun but it's a struggle when you're being interrogated every second at the same time as someone is trying to seduce you in another chat window. xD

[RSL]

Ha, my lj entry wasn't about kishi, it was just vague and that's what everyone started talking about in it.

[RSL]

Oh, and BoB, I get off work in another 5 hours. Then I'll do what I can, I guess.

[Loony BoB]

You don't have to do anything in particular, I'm just letting you know that I'm taking a step back from the chats, so if he gets chatty, I'm pointing him elsewhere. =]

[Shlup]

I really want Kishi to be re-Knighted, so I'm gonna do that right now. I gotta leave in a bit, so I wanna see some <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif> goin' down when I come back! Leeza said she needs to step down tonight.

The problem I have with scenario 2 is that some people might believe it, or at least believe it's possible, or even accept it just 'cause they want Kishi back. I'd rather stir up more controversy than lessen it, so I say we go this route, if everyone approves:

Last night I came on to find that the Kishi discussion was going on when Daryl came right in said something like "No way, that's clearly over the line. *ban*" I re-opened the discussion saying he should not be banned for... whatever reason. I gave staff members last night to respond, and because so many opinions are wavering on the subject, as re-Knight him as soon as I log on. You could even say I actually called Sean and asked if I could re-Knight him or something; saying it's not fair because Sean doesn't really know the situation.

Something like that. I'm gonna re-Knight Kishi now and get in the shower.

[Shlup]

New related entry:

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Be sure to keep up on Raist's entrys.

[m4tt]

So wait, when people start stepping down is kishi going to get banned again or uhh what? I know normally I'd be angry if someone posted porn and got unbanned, so if he's going to stay unbanned I guess I should be one of the ones who steps down.

[Shlup]

I think he's getting banned again when Daryl gets home from work, then I'm gonna unban him soon after (right?) and then... who steps down first? D and Daryl, then Leeza, then when people start flipping out Roogle closes Feedback, which causes Del to leave. Then Yams leaves 'cause of the drama. You can squeeze in there somewhere.

[m4tt]

I can step down right now if you want. I don't wanna steal anyone's thunder though, but I wanna make a thread in feedback about how much you all suck.

[Shlup]

I'm not in a position to make a decision like that. Wait for BoB or Del to approve your stepdown.

[m4tt]

Alrighty. I'm not sure how to reply to your comment in Kane's LJ. =P

[Shlup]

That was fine. I mostly did it for show, since I just linked to a random post.

[m4tt]

Eh, well I deleted it so I could make it better, but now it's not even showing up when I post it again. Oh well. :D

[Shlup]

What picture did we decide on?

[Loony BoB]

this pic (attached)

as for Matty's position, uhm... what would you normally be saying right now? would you be arguing, would you have immediately said "I'm stepping down!" or what? just imagine what you'd post. Oh my god at my awesome lack of punctuation etc.


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[m4tt]

I'd disagree with him being unbanned, and I'd be really mad at him being re-knighted. So yeah, I'd probably want nothing to do with you people. :p

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, but put yourself in that situation RIGHT NOW, and would you be arguing or just simply leaving without the argument at all?

I wouldn't de-Knight you that fast, I'd argue to keep you on staff, 'cause I love ya. <3 But yeah.

Also, despite foa and eest being able to see the forum and posts now, they'll probably take hours to read through this thread so give them time. xD

[m4tt]

What happened last time I left? I didn't want to argue about it. I suck at arguing, I can never get my point across. I'd probably just request to get demodded and be pissed off for a week.

Edit: typos. And yeah, I wouldn't want a former staff title either. screw all y'alls.

[Leeza]

I also suck at arguing, Matt. It's enough to let everyone know that we're not happy with the unbanning, re-Knighting, etc. I wouldn't really say too much out of the Staff forum anyways so I don't think we have to go into too much detail when we leave. I will say that I don't want a Former Staff title though because I really don't want to be associated with the Staff much anymore if this is their stance on things.

[Loony BoB]

I hope Matt feels the same way because I didn't make a Secret Squirrel group for Former Staff. xD

[m4tt]

See my edit. :p

[Loony BoB]

Okay, just post what you guys would say in such a situation and I'll see what I'd do. I want to make this as realistic as possible. I'm not de-Knighting anyone without a fight!

[m4tt]

Why the fuck is kishi unbanned? He posted porn! That's an instant ban! What's even more annoying is that he's knighted again! What the fuck is going on!? I can't believe that you'd allow this to happen daniel. I don't want anything to do with this staff any longer, screw this. Demod me.

How was that? I wouldn't swear so much normally, but thanks to brittany's latest antics over at ASC I'm extra angry. :)

[Loony BoB]

Calm down, man, we can work this out. I mean, nobody saw the picture but Big D (and obviously now us), right? And the only person who has seen it since, as far as I know, is Raist, and he won't give it out... we can just say we decided it wasn't as bad as we thought. Don't leave over this...!

[m4tt]

I saw it! Raist has seen it! Rules are rules! I've enforced these rules as long as I've been a mod and I'm not going to make an exception just because it was kishi. I mean I like kishi, but god damn he should stay banned. I would really like it if you demodded me NOW before I let my anger say things I shouldn't. I'll abuse my powers if I have to, just to make you do it.

[Loony BoB]

"Shlup re-Knighted Kishi, she can de-Knight Matty."

In other words, I want to wait for Del Murder's opinion on this situation because I'm a bit confused as to how we're planning this to go ahead. >_* But that response works.

[m4tt]

Okay, I guess I should stop closing threads in feedback then. :riiight:

[Loony BoB]

xD You can still be angry. But yeah, Feedback has enough closed threads for now, but we can continue to be hardline and then eventually Roogle will close the forum for good.

[m4tt]

Sweet, being angry is fun. :D! I mean.. :mad2: :mad2: !!

[Daryl]

Damn it, I don't know who the hell unbanned Kishi, but I have re-banned him. The last time I checked, posting porn merited an instaban, and I don't care who on this forum posts porn, it holds the same consequences. He had better stay banned this time. I love the Dragon Knight as much as anyone else, but, rules are rules.

[m4tt]

I'm glad SOMEONE agrees with me!

[Daryl]

Likewise. It's a rarity around this place.

[Big D]

OK, I'm on my way to have a rant, then resign and 'leave EoFF forever!'

Wha, Kishi's still banned? Well, once he's back and the Feedback starts flying, I'll dive into the thick of it.

There still hasn't been a suitable Feedback thread, though... I mean, Kishi's a frickin' EoFF legend, so people should be up-in-arms about it.

[Yamaneko]

I blame Shlup and Raist.

[RSL]

I think people are scared of making feedback threads as every last one of them gets closed...

[Shlup]

I'm sick of these "rules are rules are rules" situations. It is clearly better for everyone if Kishi remains a Knight. Its not that big of a freaking deal. Got a problem with the decision? Try going outside once in awhile.

And, Matt, you know I love you, but, lets face it, Kishi is more of an asset to EoFF than you are. (feel free to quote that in anger, muahaha)

As I recall, Sean said if there's no nipples or genitals its not porn. I think that image was borderline, and not worth losing Kishi over.

Blah blah blah...

So Matt (and Leeza?) are taking the stance that they're just not dealing with this at all, Becky's gonna argue more and then leave(?) and then follows with Roo closes Feedback and Del and Yams go. Correct?

I'll re-Knight Kishi after catching up on LJs.

[Big D]

Once he gets 're-knighted for good', I'll fly off the handle and post about it in Feedback, even if it requires a new thread... something like this:




I've been moderating this forum since 2003, and in all that time nothing has compelled me to breach the trust of my fellow staffers by discussing staff matters publicly. However, things have been getting out of hand in recent days, and now they've just gone too far for me to tolerate.

Yesterday, Kawaii Ryukishi was banned from EoFF for posting an inappropriate image. He was banned, just as any other member would have been. It was a huge shock and a disappointment to us all, but the rules are the rules, and those rules are here for the overall good of the forum. Kishi, for whatever reason, compromised those rules and compromised the integrity of EoFF as a whole.

Now, however, he has been un-banned and reinstated as a moderator. Not by a staff consensus, and not because his image was deemed acceptable - he was re-modded because of his 'importance' and 'status' as an EoFF stalwart from the past. I want it to be known that the majority of staff disagree strongly with this action, and we want to make this public in the hope of forcing some responsibility from those others who care more about 'personalities' than about the guidlines and standards that made this place great.

Then I could close the thread so that only staff can post in it, and we could have an all-out public bitch-slapping battle.

[Shlup]

Jeez, I thought I posted right after Daryl. Guess I missed a few.

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[RSL]

I replied to you in Raistlin's LJ.


Um, I think there's more than one staffer that should get a say in this?

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[Shlup]

After I told you to read my post in the staff forum, I was gonna cuss you out, but Raist is typing too fast... xD

I'm not gonna have time to post all the responses 'cause I have a final. I'm gonna respond and leave.

[RSL]

*sighs*

"I would ban my best friend if he did something wrong." - Daniel

"Carelessness is a choice as much as deliberately doing something wrong. We're all responsible for our own actions." - Unne

"Post porn, get banned. Proto, I think you know well enough that if you posted a picture like that, you would be banned. So would I. So would anyone." - RSL

"So, what if a Cid's Knight, or Administrator posted a similar picture that Peter posted, would the staff demote them and ban them for that?" - Proto, to Leeza

"Yes." - Leeza's reply, to Proto

"The only person exempt from the rules would be Sean." - RSL

"If I was in his position then I would probably say "oh crap, that was dumb of me" and go to one of the other 3 million message boards on the internet to get my net fix." -RSL

"Post porn, get banned. Seems pretty simple to me." - Yams

"In my eyes everyone here has the same chance to get banned. There are no "good members"." - Yams

"Once a decision is made, we stick with it. That's consistency." - Unne

"However, if policy changes and people are allowed a "second chance" for accidental posting of pornography/inappropriate imagery, then we're sending a message that it's quite all right to post it, provided it's only done once. Anyone with a chip on his or her shoulder could "inadvertently" post something objectionable and expect to get away with it. If PeTerL90 is unbanned, then anyone else banned for pronography could simply say, "I never posted that on purpose, you've got to unban me or else that proves you're biased and hypocritical because PeTerL90 got unbanned."
This would simply be unacceptable." - Big D

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=47326&page=2&pp=40

I guess those are all just words.

[m4tt]

When am I gonna get demodded?

[Shlup]

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[Shlup]

I'm going to re-Knight Kishi and leave right now. Someone can de-Knight Matt soon after.

[Shlup]

Keep an eye on Raist please, guys, I have a sinking feeling that he's going to post porn to prove a point or something.

I'm outta here. Be back in prolly 2 hours.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

La la.

[RSL]

Oh man, I hope he doesn't do that...

[m4tt]

LOL, now wouldn't that be classic. He'd get himself banned because of an april fools prank.

Edit: WHAT THE F</A>UCK!? WHY IS KISHI UNBANNED!?!?!?!!!

[RSL]

I would feel absolutely horrible if that happened. I hope he's smarter than that.

[Big D]

So, should I rampage in Feedback now?

[Big D]

If we do some arguing and staff-forum quoting in there, our team breakdown will be even more plausible, I think. Especially the 'omg demod me plz' stuff.

[Yamaneko]

Yes.

[m4tt]

And, Matt, you know I love you, but, lets face it, Kishi is more of an asset to EoFF than you are.
I'll be using this a lot. :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

[crono_logical]

I think if Raistlin does, we should unban him when we revert things to normal, since him doing that is a consequence of this whole prank in the first place :p

[m4tt]

Yeah, that'd be the best way to do things. :p

[RSL]

I think if he does, we should unban him when we revert things to normal, since him doing that is a consequence of this whole prank in the first place :p

But, I think he would have a fit if we did that. He is a stickler for upholding rules. I just hope he doesn't...

EDIT: I'm assuming you were talking about Raistlin posting porn there...

[crono_logical]

Yeah, shame about 20 billion posts got in the way in the time it took me to post that, making it out of context :p

[Big D]

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?p=1043675#post1043675

Rowr!

And if Rasit does do something silly, we should definitely unban him afterwards. It'd be the least we could do :p

[m4tt]

I think it's time for clout to start demodding people. :p

[Big D]

Oops, I forgot to lock the thread and Rasit has already posted in it:p

[RSL]

Raistlin is fast.

[crono_logical]

I thought someone else was doing the demodding? :p

[m4tt]

You're the only admin on, and Mandee had to leave. She said someone should demod me a little bit after Kishi was re-knighted.

[crono_logical]

Where's that timeline thing gone? I think it really needs it's own thread since it's engulfed in this thread :p I'll do the demodding if it's the right time to do so :p

[m4tt]

Well I'm gonna keep abusing my powers until you do so. :p I'm really mad about this, remember? And I do not think right when I'm mad. I re-opened D's thread so more people can cause some trouble.

[crono_logical]

Oh, right, I see :p

[RSL]

Can I tell Raistlin that m4tt stepped down? He's freaking out about this on aim.

[Shlup]

Someone needs to edit Matt's sig, probably with something semi-rude.

*goes for reals*

[m4tt]

I made an LJ entry about it, saying I stepped down.

Strider is already AIMing me. ;P

[RSL]

Wow, shlupquack is going to be hated...

[Leeza]

Holy crap! What the heck is going on? I thought Kishi was banned for good and now he's back? And Matt is gone? :(

*goes to find a thread to step down in* :)

[crono_logical]

Not too fast :p I think we forgot, at least with Matt, to have a fake "arguing to try to get you to stay" period so it seems more realistic timewise :p

[m4tt]

Look back a page or two, Daniel and I had an exchange. :p

[Big D]

I'm going to wait till Shlup replies to the Feedback thread, then I'll disagree with her by default before 'resigning'. Please turn me into a secret squirrel at that time:)

[RSL]

Does Cid know anything about this, Shlup?


If I knew how, I'd go to Cid with this.

I'd hate for him to get ahold of Cid, Cid say "wtf", and spoil the joke inadvertently.

[m4tt]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/moyda1/367259.html

My entry, incase you don't have me on your friends list or whatever. But then Raist found me, so who knows. :p

And I sure hope that Sean knows about this, eep.

[Big D]

I think Cid's aware we're cooking something up, but just to be sure I reackon somebody ought to tell him the details. Shlup, for instance, seems to have a Cid Hotline.

[RSL]

Because I know Raistlin is going to ask me this probably very quickly, who in here agrees with Shlup's decision to unban Kishi and re-knight him? Raistlin thinks it's only shlup and I can't honestly give him any more. And then in feedback m4tt hinted that there are more...

I don't want to fuck up the story...

[Leeza]

I want to post this in Big D's thread. Is it okay?

Well, I'm one of the majority of the Staff that totally disagrees with this. I am extremely disappointed in this decision, especially after I had to ban HOOTERS and take all of that flak for banning Peter and not banning Bert. Yes, Kishi is EoFF, but that shouldn't put him above any other member in cases like this. This is the straw that's going to break my back.

I'm leaving Staff because of this and the only reason I'm posting it here is so that everyone knows exactly why I'm doing it so no one has to wonder about why I left. No Former Staff title for me please because that would just be a mockery.

[RSL]

WesM 118: How, exactly, does one contact Cid?
WesM 118: BoB once told me that, if I ever again had an issue with an admin, I should talk to Cid. I think this is significant enough a situation.
RSLblahblahblah: I'm not entirely sure how to get ahold of him outside the forums. Let me see if I can dig anything up for you
WesM 118: I don't want to call him at his house or anything. :P
RSLblahblahblah: heh

[Big D]

Go for it, Leeza:)

RSL, you're right - Shlup definitely needs some people, and some strong arguments, on her side. I don't really like how she's getting demonised while Matt and I are being martyred.

Edit: My PM to Cid:
Hi,
You're probably getting bombarded with emails and PMs from irate EoFFers, ranting and raving about Kishi and things. I *think* you know already, but just in case you don't, it's all OK. This year's staff April Fool's gag is all about a fake meltdown in staff. Yesterday, Kishi got 'banned' for posting something dodgy. Today, he's been unbanned and now there's a huge kerfuffle going on.

It's all been staged; all the staff are in on it willingly. Nothing to worry about, no matter what some regulars might be saying. We've got it all timetabled, including who's going to resign when, and we'll reveal it was all a hoax in a few days' time.

~Dave

[crono_logical]

I'd be on the don't care position if this really happenned :p

Edit: Well maybe not, I'd probably want a lot longer to consider than to go with either side, since that's saying something pretty big once you take a side with something as serious as this :p

[Yamaneko]

If Raist asks, I have no opinion on the matter and I want all this drama to go away.

[RSL]

Well, the april fool's joke is quickly shaping up to be Shlupquack vs. the rest of staff minus a few who don't care or are inactive.

I would join Shlupquack but i already told Raistlin that I think Kishi should be banned. I wish I would have thought that through a little more...

[Yamaneko]

It would be pretty cool if Cid came in and said Kishi should be reknighted. I think Raist would have a heart attack.

[m4tt]

Well, the april fool's joke is quickly shaping up to be Shlupquack vs. the rest of staff minus a few who don't care or are inactive.

I would join Shlupquack but i already told Raistlin that I think Kishi should be banned. I wish I would have thought that through a little more...
Oh man, you're right... Poor Mandee. :p

[RSL]

WesM 118: WOAH
WesM 118: Leeza's leaving staff

[Leeza]

An Admin can deKnight me now. I've done my leaving post. :)

[Leeza]

I see Raistlin is up on that fact rather quick. :)

EDIT: You know, I don't think that Raistlin will forgive us for this.

[RSL]

He has chosen me to rant to since BoB won't talk to him. It kind of sucks because I feel like I'm taking a test here. I should find an excuse to turn of aim...

[m4tt]

***CENSORED***

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Ohmygod world revolution dudes.

[RSL]

EDIT: You know, I don't think that Raistlin will forgive us for this.

This does worry me as I consider him a friend. Too late to turn back though!

[Yamaneko]

Oh, boo hoo. Like this is worse than Josh pretending to kill himself.

[Daryl]

I posted in Feedback. I'm debating fighting fire with fire. :P

[m4tt]

Someone gonna de-knight Leeza? :p

[Leeza]

I think though, that Raistlin will appreciate the humour of this joke...after a while. We didn't set out to do this just to give him an April Fool's joke. It was for all of EoFF. Raistlin just likes to be in on the action more that the other members.

[crono_logical]

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[Leeza]

Someone gonna de-knight Leeza? :p
Shouldn't they maybe try and talk me out of it first? :(

[Yamaneko]

No, leave already.

:D

[m4tt]

Well it's been a while since you posted. No one has tried yet. :p Come join me Leeza! We hate staff!

[RSL]

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but I think this is important. You guys keep posting in that thread as though there's a huge debate going on in staff with people on both sides of the argument. But when asked to produce someone other than ShlupQuack who agrees with unbanning Kishi, we can't.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Then why don't you volunteer yourself?

[crono_logical]

Fine, I'll try to say something plausible from the other side of the argument :p

But yeah, this could backfire on us, seeing as there's like no-one other than Shlup pro-Kishi at the moment :p Maybe Kishi could post in there too? >:}

[RSL]

As I stated already, when Raistlin asked me what my view of the situation was, I quickly replied that my opinion is that you should be banned. It wouldn't make any sense for me to suddenly jump to the other side. I really wish I would have thought it through more.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Isn't there anybody left who hasn't already said they want to ban me forever?

[Leeza]

Well, there was no genitalia or nipple in that pic so technically it's not really considered porn. Just some tentacle guy helping a lady up off of the floor...or something. Maybe someone can argue that point. Maybe Roogle or cl_out? Maybe even Yams.

[RSL]

Using the forum leaders page:

Cid - not involved
cl_out - Doesn't seem to want to be involved
Daryl - ban kishi
Dr Unne - not involved
Loony BoB - reluctantly thinks kishi should be banned
Roogle - no idea, probably not involved
ShlupQuack - Keep kishi
Big D - ban kishi
del murder - don't know but I think he was going to step down at some point, so probably ban kishi
Kawaii Ryûkishi - is kishi
Leeza - ban kishi
RSL - ban kishi but isn't going to step down over something like this
Xander - seems oblivious to the whole thing
Lord Krang - ban kishi
yamaneko - doesn't care

That leaves eest and foa. But they haven't been knighted in the public's eyes yet...

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

So, clout, Xander, and Yamaneko.

[Leeza]

Del and Yams were going to step down because Feedback was gone and not because of Kishi so they can still argue for him.

[RSL]

Yes. I propose that we say that they are arguing for Kishi staying even if they never post as much in the public eye. That way we have some credibility here.

I have no idea if I"m making any sense. Just tell me to shut up I guess.

[Yamaneko]

"I mean, come on, it's Kishi. He's no idiot. That must count for something."

Or something.

[Leeza]

You're making sense, RSL. We can't have Shlup being the only one for Kishi because that just wouldn't fly. Roogle can also do it if he hasn't stated anything different yet and I don't think that he has.

[crono_logical]

I thought the original plan was BoB wanted Kishi to stay, since he was going to be on the Staying faction? I think me and Yam's will have to somehow help arguing Kishi stay, but I still don't really want to seem to be involved, since that's completely not normal for me :p

EDIT: Plus take into account the past 5 posts now xD

[RSL]

According to Raistlin, BoB told him that he really wishes he could find a way to keep Kishi but doesn't see how it's possible.

[Yamaneko]

"I can see Shlup's reasoning. It's not like we've been 100% correct on all bannings. Even the law allows a fair amount of leeway. And it's not like Kishi did it to "take the easy way out", which seems to be the perception. I can see this as an honest mistake by an individual who has proven himself a brilliant and exemplary member of this community for the past four plus years."

Good?

[crono_logical]

BoB, since telling Raist that, has worked something out.

[RSL]

"I can see Shlup's reasoning. It's not like we've been 100% correct on all bannings. Even the law allows a fair amount of leeway. And it's not like Kishi did it to "take the easy way out", which seems to be the perception. I can see this as an honest mistake by an individual who has proven himself a brilliant and exemplary member of this community for the past four plus years."

Good?

Very good.

[RSL]

BoB, since telling Raist that, has worked something out.

That's up to BoB I guess.

[crono_logical]

He has to, at this rate, if we don't want stuff to snowball :p Also means we won't see a reply by him for another 3-4 hours at least.

Also, stuff's already starting to spill into GC xD

[Yamaneko]

Someone deknight Leeza please. I won't be able to bash her and Matt for stepping down without hearing out Shlup first. :p

[crono_logical]

When does Daryl de-admin? She can do that one herself though :p I have a feeling this is going way too fast - we still have 7 whole days of this xD

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

We only have to participate to the extent of what's on the schedule. Beyond that, the commoners will create their own drama.

[eestlinc]

there are a lot of fucking posts in this thread.

[eestlinc]

I made a thread in feedback.

[Shlup]

Is there seriously no one on my side? I think BoB's supposed to be on my side. I left a message on Sean's cell; no one answered at his house either.

Someone be on my side! Assholes!

there are a lot of smurfing posts in this thread.
No freaking kidding.

[Yamaneko]

I'm on your side, but only to the extent that you should be heard. I'm still on the fence about the banning.

[Shlup]

That's better then nothing, I suppose.

[eestlinc]

I'm on your side.

[Shlup]

*gets halfway through the first page of D's thread*

Jesus. We may have to turn this into something like me being forced to be removed as an admin or being banned at this rate.

[eestlinc]

whatever, you are Cid's friend so you are perma-staff, remember :D

[m4tt]

***CENSORED***

[crono_logical]

I'm trying to be on your side without appearing to be on either side, however that works xD

[Shlup]

***CENSORED***

whatever, you are Cid's friend so you are perma-staff, remember :D
I dunno how that works... My Knighting had, to my knowledge, nothing to do with him, so I don't think he'd care if I was banned or whatever... o.O

Then again, we usually laugh together about forum drama and talk about what losers you guys are for taking things seriously at all. xD

[Leeza]

OMG! No blue title looks so naked. :(

I have to go work on an assignment that's due tomorrow that will not be completed and I probably won't really be on much if at till the 28th or 29th so I hope EoFF is still here when I get back. This is going a lot faster and stronger than we expected it to, but it should slow down after Feedback is closed, I would think, so there should be some breathing room for everyone.

[Shlup]

This post is for when this thread is made public.

Dear Raistlin,

I apologise profusely for being a total bitch. More than usual, I mean.
You're just going to hear what you want to hear, so, fine, quote me saying that's the only reason. I don't care. This is me trying to get the argument to die down so you don't explode from rage while I explode from laughter. These last few days of fucking with you has been one of the funnest things I can remember.

Please don't kill me.

With Love,
Shlup

[m4tt]

***CENSORED***

[Roogle]

Don't forget, so far Sean hasn't said anything about it.

[Shlup]

I just told him that if he gets a call or something about me being evil, its part of our April Fools joke so ignore it.

[Shlup]

I've never spoken to you before, but I really admire you! There aren't too many people who are brave enough to do what you did and stand up for their decision. Good luck with everything! :)
*dance*

[eestlinc]

xD do i have to do anything else?

[Shlup]

I don't think so. Your little comments here and there are amusing me.

I made Raist want to drink bleach. I am pleased with me.

[eestlinc]

good. i'm going to bed. although I will note people are starting to speculate on the april fools nature of all this, but whatever.

[Shlup]

They have been. But that's inevitable, so meh. G'night, eest.

[eestlinc]

goodnight :)

I will say that teh sheer length and scope of all this seems a bit too much to be actually planned as a prank, and even if people know it is, it will still be pretty impressive.

[Shlup]

Arguing with Raist is fun. I keep having to pull back though, just to be sure he stays good and pissed. xD

[Loony BoB]

I'm pro-Kishi in all of this.

God. Start breaking out with the "We made the rules, we can change the rules at our pleasing. You guys have to live with that." statement! You know they love it!

[Shlup]

That one's not my style, and I've argued against it before. That's more your thing, BooBle. :F

[Shlup]

Raist seems ready to move the argument from his LJ to Feedback, so here's our LJ convo for those who can't see the post in his LJ. I don't remeber the title... It's the one with my name in it.

*** CENSORED ***

[Loony BoB]

Can I post this in the other thread?
Man, you guys are crazy. And I thought the thread in Staff got fast posts. Craaaaaaaaaaaazy.

I'm not getting too heavily involved because it seems that everyone that does is losing their faith in humanity or something, and getting quoted in and out of context, and this and that and blah. I for one support Shlup in this matter and I think that you guys should really give the girl a break. Well, okay, she's making some stupid responses (sorry, Shlup, it's true :p Maybe YOU need to get off the 'net and relax and let them calm down xD), but she's still made a decision and sometimes it's not the one that everyone favours, but is the one that is best for EoFF in the long run.

You all know I love EoFF to bits. I live this place. In the over-four-years that I've been here, Kishi has been one of the shining figures, and despite me not seeing eye to eye with him at all points, I figure that, hey, he made one mistake. Just one, in over four years. One lapse of judgement - and only minor, because the image was controversial. You just have to keep in mind what's best for EoFF in the long run. If there is anything bad that comes of this, it's the fault of the people who throw a fit over something they shouldn't have thrown a fit about. You guys have to trust us to make that good a decision. Have we ever let you down in the past in any big way? I can't think of a time.

I love Leeza and I love Matty to death. However it's their choice to step down and I saw it coming for a long time anyway. Leeza has been constantly talked about behind her back for a long time and despite what anyone says, even herself, I think that's the #1 reason for her stepping down. This just happened to be a good time, or something. As for Matty, well, he's stepped down before, but time is a healer, I hope, as with almost every other Staffer that has stepped down in disgust, I trust he'll come right in the end. It's notable that this isn't the first time the staff have broken up on a decision, it's just the first time that you guys have been around in a media-like way to see it happen and hear about why.

So, you have choice number one - accept it, let it go, work your way back towards good feelings and cuddles and love everyone. Choice number two, make a big fuss over one member that doesn't really have anything to do with YOUR EoFF experience in any way whatsoever, and only make things worse for yourself and everyone else. I know it's not always what you want to hear, but sometimes you have to accept things and move along. I've had to do this on many, many occasions. Anyone who has been on EoFF's staff for quite some time will know that this

This really does feel like a media thing. Raistlin is being the media. We've had World War I & II at EoFF but you guys didn't even know about it. Now we're having a media-watched war and suddenly everyone is making a big deal. This stuff does happen at EoFF. The only mistake that anyone has made is letting the public know about it. Usually we're a lot better than that. And I'm sorry for that much. There have been 'wars' at EoFF with more 'casualties' (including quite possibly my best friend on Staff who has only made 2-5 posts since that date many years ago). It's very, very, very hard for people, and it can bring me to huge stress and can put staffers into a temporary state of depression at times - or maybe I'm alone in that area, I don't know. But yeah. It is hard. Now you're actually seeing what happens, and you don't like it. Well, do you think we're enjoying all of this? We aren't. We'd rather everyone would just settle down. Feedback has become a media center and I hate it. I liked it better when the only things that people knew about when it comes to what goes on in Staff is what we told them. And when people who stepped down never said a thing about why. They don't have to like the rules but they respected them. That includes the rule that we can do whatever we want.

Please, guys, don't take this too far. I wonder if World War I was to re-occur in a time with modern media if they would have considered the whole thing to be brutal and for Winston Churchil to be slated for his approach to the war. Media sucks. Sorry, I'm getting more into a personal gripe about this now.

Also, I'm not going to respond to all the IMs and PMs about this. I'm having a beautiful time away from EoFF in certain aspects of my life and I refuse to let this ruin it. EoFF, as I have said earlier in this post, does have it's troubles and luckily we're usually very good at hiding them - if Big D hadn't posted, if nobody oustide Staff ever knew about this, nobody would have made a big deal (no Big D-eal pun intended :p). Would that have been so bad? Have you lost faith in EoFF in the past when the staff has broken down? No, because you never knew. Sometimes we bend the rules or change them for certain people, yes. Sometimes they end up getting banned anyway - such is life.

For what it's worth, I've always - always - been a very anti-ban kind of guy. If I get my way once in all of it, then I'm happy. Let it be this once.

[Shlup]

That's a good post. *sexes*

[eestlinc]

yes, very good. I think my comment about Shlup as Wesly is better, though.

[Shlup]

Fucker.

[Loony BoB]

WesM 118: Hey
WesM 118: What the hell's going on, man? Yams left me and I've been in the dark. ;_;
DanieLoony: Hahaha, I'm so surprised, I expected 50 IMs when I came off away and got none until now. As I said last time, I'm not talking about the whole ordeal much because it's like... people blowing stuff out of proportion everywhere and I'm not comfortable with the idea of getting quoted left right and center like everyone on staff is.
DanieLoony: I love EoFF more than anyone and I'm still pro-Kishi.
WesM 118: Can you give me any other reason besides "he's Kishi?"
DanieLoony: Shlup's said all that needs to be said (and more, heh). If I give you an answer, I know you're going to quote it as a part of your agenda so I will not.
WesM 118: Part of my agenda? My agenda is EoFF, not having all my friends at EoFF.
WesM 118: And I'll take your reply as a rather emphatic "no."
WesM 118: Dammit, Daniel, what happened to "I'd ban my best friend if he broke the rules"?
DanieLoony: Why can't people talk about something else these days. :-( I don't WANNA talk about this. I'm bored to death of it.
WesM 118: If you actually cared about it, you'd be willing to discuss it. Didn't you lecture FG once about that?
WesM 118: You know it's wrong Daniel.
WesM 118: C'mon, man, you KNOW I'm right, and you KNOW what the member response will be once they see the image - especially if they see it alongside the images Peter and Linus got banned for.
WesM 118: "There seriously needs to be a clarification on the rules regarding posting inappropriate images. And also I think there needs to be a list of those who have "importance" and "status", so we know who can get away with anything." - Psychotic. How can you argue with that?
WesM 118: Dammit, talk to me. You can't just close your eyes and hope this will go away.
DanieLoony: I'm typing out a post and I told you, I'm trying to stay out of this, I'm having the most incredible time in my life in another aspect of my life and I don't want this to ruin that. I will however make a post or two along the way.
WesM 118: Well, I'm going to bed. Either way - you have to think of the consequences of this decision. Look at the outrage in the Feedback thread! Once they see the image next to other images that other member were banned for, what will they think?
DanieLoony: Maybe you shouldn't show the image. :P
WesM 118: Don't be all talk, Daniel. You know he should be banned. Don't make me lose faith in the last person I trust on Staff.
WesM 118: If the staff believes it's acceptable, why not show it? Why not plaster it all over EoFF?
DanieLoony: You can always trust me. You know that much. Maybe not agree, but you can trust. You can trust a lot of us.
DanieLoony: We never said it was acceptable, just not bannable in Kishi's case.
WesM 118: And you know that's horribly, horribly wrong. Please, tell me what happened to "I'd ban my best friend if he broke the rules?"
WesM 118: If it's bannable in one case, it should be bannable in others. I'd expect to be banned if I posted Peter's snow penis. I would expect you to be banned if you posted Linus's breast-pic.
WesM 118: And, FYI, if you didn't get my PM: I PMed Cid. I don't know how else to get up with him. Shlup's the only complaint, due to "blatant lack of restraint and objectivity" in numerous cases. Yes, I cited the Kane sig incident.
WesM 118: Now you need to make a decision for EoFF. Not for you, not for the members, not for me. For EoFF, based on the rules Cid made - not your own wants. I'm off to bed.
WesM 118 signed off at 08:31:30.

[eestlinc]

yea man, wtf is up with that? ban your own mother my ass! you are such a fucking hypocrite Daniel! I hate you.

[Loony BoB]

yea man, wtf is up with that? ban your own mother my ass! you are such a smurfing hypocrite Daniel! I hate you.
Oh man, he's said that so many times and I love it. He quotes the "I'd ban my grandmother" and "I'd ban my best friend" quotes and I alway reply with "Sure am lucky Kishi isn't my grandmother/best friend!" and hes gets so pissed off.

Oh man, I am laughing so hard right now thanks to the thread, Shlup, eest and foa. This is working a lot better now that I've got some members on our side of things.

DanieLoony: Haha.
DanieLoony: I've just created a rift in the people now!
DanieLoony: Now we have The Captain on our side!
DanieLoony: And others. Mwahahahaha.
Speckled Don Key: Yes! *high five*
DanieLoony: Raistlin has a fight on his hands now! xD

[Shlup]

That is the hottest piece of homoerotica I've read in a long time.

[Big D]

I'm outta here! (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showpost.php?p=1044525&postcount=166)

Secret Squirrel time. De-mod, please:)

[Loony BoB]

Loony_BoB: Oh man
Loony_BoB: He's stepping down
Loony_BoB: I want to post [in the feedback thread] saying "BoBBye!"

[Shlup]

"Does ShlupQuack's mood determine policy from one day to the next?"

You know it, bitch.

[Loony BoB]

Me, in #eoff:
<<i></i>Loony_BoB> *beat* *beat* *beat*
<<i></i>Loony_BoB> Another one bites the dust. ;(

Loony_BoB: Will six staffers leaving really be needed?
Loony_BoB: I mean.
Loony_BoB: Leeza, Daryl, Matt, Big D, Yams and Murd all want to step down.
Loony_BoB: That's a bit much, imho.

[Shlup]

rawkstars_girlfriend: I think it works.
rawkstars_girlfriend: I'm not worried about it. Being objective vs being subjective in rulings is a big enoug deal.
LoonyBoB: *nods*

[Loony BoB]

Loony_BoB: Holy <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>.
Loony_BoB: Snizz.
Loony_BoB: Posted.
Loony_BoB: Lots.
Loony_BoB: D=
Loony_BoB: *reads*
ShlupQuack: o.O
Loony_BoB: Longer than MY post.
ShlupQuack: Haha, it does fit.
ShlupQuack: Its amusing to see who comes out of the woodwork when controversy arises.
Loony_BoB: Indeed.
Loony_BoB: I never expected this at all, though.
ShlupQuack: Me either. It is beyond our wildest dreams. *_*
ShlupQuack: I would read his post, but I don't think I'll understand it at 2am
Loony_BoB: *reading*
ShlupQuack: I think he's on our side.
ShlupQuack: His post is so sweet.
Loony_BoB: God.
ShlupQuack: We truely are going to hell.
Loony_BoB: After reading his post.
Loony_BoB: I actually think we're SERIOUSLY justified in not banning him.
Loony_BoB: xD
ShlupQuack: I know. xD
Loony_BoB: Because, well. Linus had it coming for years. He knew it.
Loony_BoB: Baloki and HOOTERS intended on getting banned.
Loony_BoB: Kishi just had a lapse of judgement, nothing more.

[Big D]

Hey, at least we can now justify our little prank - it stimulated a hell of a lot of debate and discourse about the rules, about internet justice, and about the team and community spirit of EoFF. We've learned one heckuva lot about our place as a result.

Maybe if we say that enough times, they won't all hate us for it:D

Changes so far, as as result of our gag:

*Del Snizz posting heaps

*Raistlin adding me to his LJ Friends list

*The Captain making posts which are solely sarcastic humour

It's like we're rebuilding the place from the ground up.

[Xander]

I'm not oblivious to what's going on, I'm keeping up, just, I guess I'd just rather not be involved since it's not really my style to start posting fake LJ entries and stuff about what's going on. I wouldn't really feel right doing that.

I guess if anyone asked me where I stand on the thing I'll say I think kishi should have been banned, although I never saw the picture, but if this really happened I probably would be on that side =P But since I pretty much avoid messengers I doubt anyone will be interrogating me anyway.

[Loony BoB]

I'm not oblivious to what's going on, I'm keeping up, just, I guess I'd just rather not be involved since it's not really my style to start posting fake LJ entries and stuff about what's going on. I wouldn't really feel right doing that.

I guess if anyone asked me where I stand on the thing I'll say I think kishi should have been banned, although I never saw the picture, but if this really happened I probably would be on that side =P But since I pretty much avoid messengers I doubt anyone will be interrogating me anyway.
It's cool, anyone who wants to stay quiet can just say "I'm staying out of it, it's not really my thing to get involved in dramas..." or something like that.

Also.

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[Loony BoB]

JohanDarkStalker: Heya
DanieLoony: Heya.
JohanDarkStalker: When do we open an eoff drama board?
DanieLoony: Haha. I don't know. I have a spare vB.
DanieLoony: EoFF's drama board is LJ, though.
JohanDarkStalker: I guess, yeah
JohanDarkStalker: Requires to have people in your friends' list though
DanieLoony: Ha, true, I guess.
DanieLoony: I'm quietening down with chatting to people about it. Sick of Raistlin's never-ending bugging. :P
DanieLoony: I don't think he realises that guys can't pull guilt trips on me.
JohanDarkStalker: I have a suggestion to do in the Kishi matter, if you could relay it. I know I don't have all the keys, so I'm not arguing whatever decision is taken in the end. Just wanted to suggest a possible course of action
DanieLoony: ?
JohanDarkStalker: See, the whole deal is about him getting punished or getting scoot free, right?
JohanDarkStalker: (compared to other members)
JohanDarkStalker: So, as Knox said about what would happen in the army, I have something similar to suggest (if the staff decides action needs to be taken)
DanieLoony: *listening*
JohanDarkStalker: As I see it, if someone fucks up, they deserve some form of punishment, but at the same time, as Snizz said, it's dumb to cast away someone whom we consider a friend on the first offense
DanieLoony: Aye, hence HOOTERS and Linus had usergroups designed on their antics before we eventually banned them xD
JohanDarkStalker: So, in my opinion, the sensible thing to do here is well, to do what you said happened to Linus
JohanDarkStalker: If he can't follow the rules he's supposed to enforce, then he shouldn't be a mod anymore
JohanDarkStalker: However, he is someone respected, and shouldn't be thrown away like an old tissue
JohanDarkStalker: Up to him to make up for his error and regain people's trust/respect that way
JohanDarkStalker: (and I know, some people will still be unhappy with such a course of action, you can never please anyone)
JohanDarkStalker: *everyone
DanieLoony: I'll mention it, but it's something I'd be against, although I did consider it.
DanieLoony: *copy pastes convo*

[Roogle]

Feedback is going on life support soon. :( Any specific time anyone want?

[Loony BoB]

Don't kill Feedback until closer to the time. We really seriously need to not rush through this. Although we could have it all resolved and have everyone calmed down before we reverse everything.

I can already see everyone in EoFF holding their breath and having second thoughts about everything on the eve of April Fools.

[m4tt]

I put my journal entry on private. I don't want the attention, and I'm going to go into my "this never happened, lets just pretend eoff never existed" mode. :p

[crono_logical]

Wasn't the original idea to remove Feedback on the 29th? Even if it has moved up a day, there's still a whole weekend to wait :p

[Roogle]

It'd be out of character to wait a couple more days at the rate Feedback's going. :p I'll just have to think of something more drastic for the announcement, I guess.

[Loony BoB]

I'm so tired of Raist. He never stops. I have such a big headache over his smurfing neverending questions at all hours of the day. I'm thinking of blocking him from my AIM he just doesn't stop. If we speed things up in any way or even if we don't finish this on April 1st and finish it earlier, I will be happy. I'm just sick of him. Seriously. And it's a shame because I really like the guy but if he won't shut up then I'm going to go insane and ban him.

DanieLoony: HE HAS TO GO
DanieLoony: WOOHOO!
DanieLoony: I AM HAPPLY AND GLEE
Alza Sedai: Bring out the strippers!
DanieLoony: HE WILL SEE ME SUNDAY
DanieLoony: OH GOD
DanieLoony: NOOOOOO
DanieLoony: I WILL COMMIT FUCKING SUICIDE ON SATURDAY

[eestlinc]

wow, Snizz is awesome. He's also right. :D

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

How many times has Wesly quoted that post by Psychotic? A million? I'm sure by now he's printed it out and eaten the paper so it can become a part of him.

[m4tt]

Hahaha, that's hillarious.

[Shlup]

*picutres Raist passionately eating paper* xDD

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[eestlinc]

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[Shlup]

I was gonna re-open D's Feedback thread and say the following because it's mostly how I feel, but it just goes way too far against the role I've put myself in so I refrained from posting it:

I hate to butt heads with you, again, Becky, but I find this thread very constructive. The members seem to be really enjoying this opportunity to voice their opinions. An important part of being an administrator is pretending to care what they have to say.

If you don't like it, don't read it. You should probably pretend you did though, just to make them feel like they're being heard.
I figure I should be more on the "we're tired of our decisions being questioned and being constantly bitched at" side when Feedback goes bye-bye.

And then when I hit "Submit" my freaking internet went down and I crawled in a corner and cried for awhile.

[RSL]

I was really expecting at least an hour or two of catching up when I got home. Instead, it took five minutes. I'm actually happy for the break.

[Shlup]

Same thing for me when I woke up today. xD

[eestlinc]

and I was sitting at work all day with nothing to do because it's a stupid holiday and there was nothing going on!

[Loony BoB]

Well I could copy paste our latest convo. It got rather heated though as I had a huge headache and he was really, really starting to piss me off...

[eestlinc]

no, i don't want to hear anything more abotu raistlin. dude needs to get a hobby or something.

[RSL]

put it in a spoiler tag or something, I'm bored

[Loony BoB]

WesM 118 (02:07:41): http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=58825

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WesM 118 (08:08:32): Hey
WesM 118 (08:09:13): What the hell's going on, man? Yams left me and I've been in the dark. ;_;
DanieLoony (08:09:50): Hahaha, I'm so surprised, I expected 50 IMs when I came off away and got none until now. As I said last time, I'm not talking about the whole ordeal much because it's like... people blowing stuff out of proportion everywhere and I'm not comfortable with the idea of getting quoted left right and center like everyone on staff is.
DanieLoony (08:10:05): I love EoFF more than anyone and I'm still pro-Kishi.
WesM 118 (08:11:34): Can you give me any other reason besides "he's Kishi?"
DanieLoony (08:12:32): Shlup's said all that needs to be said (and more, heh). If I give you an answer, I know you're going to quote it as a part of your agenda so I will not.
WesM 118 (08:13:03): Part of my agenda? My agenda is EoFF, not having all my friends at EoFF.
WesM 118 (08:13:24): And I'll take your reply as a rather emphatic "no."
WesM 118 (08:13:53): Dammit, Daniel, what happened to "I'd ban my best friend if he broke the rules"?
DanieLoony (08:14:44): Why can't people talk about something else these days. :-( I don't WANNA talk about this. I'm bored to death of it.
WesM 118 (08:15:05): If you actually cared about it, you'd be willing to discuss it. Didn't you lecture FG once about that?
WesM 118 (08:16:23): You know it's wrong Daniel.
WesM 118 (08:17:41): C'mon, man, you KNOW I'm right, and you KNOW what the member response will be once they see the image - especially if they see it alongside the images Peter and Linus got banned for.
WesM 118 (08:21:13): "There seriously needs to be a clarification on the rules regarding posting inappropriate images. And also I think there needs to be a list of those who have "importance" and "status", so we know who can get away with anything." - Psychotic. How can you argue with that?
WesM 118 (08:23:04): Dammit, talk to me. You can't just close your eyes and hope this will go away.
DanieLoony (08:24:30): I'm typing out a post and I told you, I'm trying to stay out of this, I'm having the most incredible time in my life in another aspect of my life and I don't want this to ruin that. I will however make a post or two along the way.
WesM 118 (08:25:41): Well, I'm going to bed. Either way - you have to think of the consequences of this decision. Look at the outrage in the Feedback thread! Once they see the image next to other images that other member were banned for, what will they think?
DanieLoony (08:26:15): Maybe you shouldn't show the image. :P
WesM 118 (08:26:23): Don't be all talk, Daniel. You know he should be banned. Don't make me lose faith in the last person I trust on Staff.
WesM 118 (08:26:37): If the staff believes it's acceptable, why not show it? Why not plaster it all over EoFF?
DanieLoony (08:26:51): You can always trust me. You know that much. Maybe not agree, but you can trust. You can trust a lot of us.
DanieLoony (08:27:05): We never said it was acceptable, just not bannable in Kishi's case.
WesM 118 (08:27:32): And you know that's horribly, horribly wrong. Please, tell me what happened to "I'd ban my best friend if he broke the rules?"
WesM 118 (08:29:15): If it's bannable in one case, it should be bannable in others. I'd expect to be banned if I posted Peter's snow penis. I would expect you to be banned if you posted Linus's breast-pic.
WesM 118 (08:30:07): And, FYI, if you didn't get my PM: I PMed Cid. I don't know how else to get up with him. Shlup's the only complaint, due to "blatant lack of restraint and objectivity" in numerous cases. Yes, I cited the Kane sig incident.
WesM 118 (08:31:16): Now you need to make a decision for EoFF. Not for you, not for the members, not for me. For EoFF, based on the rules Cid made - not your own wants. I'm off to bed.
WesM 118 signed off at 08:31:30.
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WesM 118 (14:06:15): Anything important happen?
DanieLoony (14:06:25): Me typing an LJ comment in your entry now.
DanieLoony (14:06:32): starting with
DanieLoony (14:06:35): "For smurf's sake, Raistlin, don't ask questions and then disallow comments."
WesM 118 (14:06:52): ...if you wanted to answer my question, you were quite free to do it last night.
DanieLoony (14:06:57): Now, when you say
DanieLoony (14:06:59): "I know that you know I'm right - it was proven last night when you only whined about how you didn't want to talk about it?"
WesM 118 (14:07:10): uh...that wasn't mean to be a question
WesM 118 (14:07:13): *meant
DanieLoony (14:07:24): I say "No, I don't know you're right, I think you're wrong. I'm just getting into the start of a relationship right now and when the girl is chatting to me and we're having our fun and then you come along with your political ravings, I'm sorry, but smurf you, I'm not going to concentrate on the bad <img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"> when I could instead have a beautiful girl have her way with me."
WesM 118 (14:07:45): ...how do you edit a comment you disallowed comments in?
DanieLoony (14:07:48): But thanks for coming online so I didn't have to post that in the open :P
DanieLoony (14:08:00): what? I don't know. D=
WesM 118 (14:08:08): Well, then, it stays a question.
DanieLoony (14:08:09): I was posting a comment in the earlier entry
WesM 118 (14:08:22): Anyway, WHY, Daniel?
DanieLoony (14:08:22): but I don't need to know, so thanks :P
WesM 118 (14:08:38): Can you give me any other reason besides "it's Kishi?"
DanieLoony (14:08:53): This is exactly why I told you that I was going to not be taking a major role in all of this. Because I have better things to do and you IM me more often than anyone else.
DanieLoony (14:09:15): Would you be happy if I said NO? I don't think you'll accept anything else anyway.
WesM 118 (14:09:20): ...all I need is a "yes" or "no." Of course, some clarification would be nice.
WesM 118 (14:09:48): I'll accept "yes" if you actually give me a reason - a reason that you actually believe it's right and not because Shlup's saying and therefore easy for you to hop on.
DanieLoony (14:09:57): We banned Linus. Not because of his avatar, but because we gave Linus more chances than I gave my four-time ex-girlfriend
DanieLoony (14:10:10): We banned HOOTERS. Because he wanted to get banned.
DanieLoony (14:10:16): We banned Baloki for the same reason.
WesM 118 (14:10:19): Not according to Shlup. According to her, he was banned because the image had a nipple.
WesM 118 (14:10:22): Peter?
DanieLoony (14:10:23): You can't put any of those situations on the same level.
WesM 118 (14:10:49): But then you have to ask yourself - if a regular member posted the image, would he be banned?
DanieLoony (14:11:00): Peter? That's a weird one and it's long old, and he is nothing in comparison to Kishi. It's not "It's Kishi" it's "It's a member who has proven himself as a huge asset to EoFF over a long period of time"
DanieLoony (14:11:14): We ban newbies if they post advertisements in two forums and do nothing else
DanieLoony (14:11:20): we wouldn't ban oldbies for that
DanieLoony (14:11:39): <img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"> happens
WesM 118 (14:11:40): Advertising is not posting porn. Plus, oldbies can't post advertisements in two forums and do nothing else, since they've already posted thousands of times.
DanieLoony (14:12:06): and sorry, but I'm not following everything hugely, but you're bugging me all the time while I have ***CENSORED*** trying to seduce me, and it's a real turnoff :P
DanieLoony (14:12:33): But you know fully well
DanieLoony (14:12:34): once again
DanieLoony (14:12:40): that I said I won't be playign a big role in this
WesM 118 (14:12:42): Man, I was Unne was still on staff.
DanieLoony (14:12:44): so why do you bug ME about it/
DanieLoony (14:12:51): UNNE IS STILL ON STAFF >=O
WesM 118 (14:12:58): Not really.
DanieLoony (14:13:03): psh, he's on a break
WesM 118 (14:13:22): He told me he's not doing admin duties anymore, and that he told you guys that you were free to kick him off staff.
DanieLoony (14:13:32): RSL told us that before twice
DanieLoony (14:13:38): lots of mods have done it in the past
WesM 118 (14:13:49): RSL leaves for a month. Unne leaves for ayear.
WesM 118 (14:13:51): ANYWAY
DanieLoony (14:14:04): RSL has never left :P
DanieLoony (14:14:10): Unne leaves because he can de-admin himself
DanieLoony (14:14:30): but geez
WesM 118 (14:14:36):
"The only person exempt from the rules would be Sean." - RSL
DanieLoony (14:14:36): everyone else seems okay with it but a few staffers
WesM 118 (14:14:40): I guess that doesn't matter?
DanieLoony (14:14:46): I geuss not!
WesM 118 (14:14:48): Oh, a few staffers and the entire freakin' board
DanieLoony (14:14:58): I'm sorry, but unless I tell YOU what YOU want to hear, you'll keep bugging me about this
DanieLoony (14:14:59): so
DanieLoony (14:15:00): yes
DanieLoony (14:15:04): Kishi is our favourite
DanieLoony (14:15:08): we are all elitists
DanieLoony (14:15:10): happy?
WesM 118 (14:15:14): Dammit, don't patronize me.
DanieLoony (14:15:19): WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY?!
WesM 118 (14:15:20): what happened to those hour-long debates we used to have?
DanieLoony (14:15:42): I'm TRYING to have smurfing CYBERSEX with a girl and you bug me! Well, not now, but stil. You get the idea.
DanieLoony (14:15:45): It's non stop!
WesM 118 (14:15:58): Nonstop? I IM you twice in two days.
DanieLoony (14:16:08): what? no, you're always there >=o
DanieLoony (14:16:25): sorry
DanieLoony (14:16:30): I have a major headache :P
DanieLoony (14:16:31): but still
WesM 118 (14:16:32): I don't think anyone from the Feedback thread will be more happy with this now that they've seen the image.
DanieLoony (14:16:34): grrrr @ you!
DanieLoony (14:16:50): yeah, way to blow, man
WesM 118 (14:16:57): grr @ you! At least I'm doing the right thing - no matter how hard it is.
DanieLoony (14:16:57): Snizz was even being "happy glory days"
DanieLoony (14:17:02): and now you'll probably screw that up too
WesM 118 (14:17:11): screw what up?
DanieLoony (14:17:21): Snizz returning to make EoFF a better place
DanieLoony (14:17:27): and everyone agrees he should be let off this once
DanieLoony (14:17:32): so what's YOUR problem?
WesM 118 (14:17:34): I didn't start this drama - Shlup did by unbanning Kishi. Everything was surprisingly quiet.
WesM 118 (14:17:36): everyone?
DanieLoony (14:17:41): I should never have shown you the pic
WesM 118 (14:17:45): Daryl? D? Matt? Leeza?
DanieLoony (14:17:51): People who saw the pic.
WesM 118 (14:17:52): Oh, because staff doesn't want people to see it?
WesM 118 (14:18:03): ...the rest of staff didn't see the pic?
DanieLoony (14:18:06): It would be nicer if it was kept under wraps and then EoFF could be HAPPY
DanieLoony (14:18:08): some of them haven't
DanieLoony (14:18:11): very few
WesM 118 (14:18:14): HOLY <img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif"><img src="/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif">
DanieLoony (14:18:14): only by choice
DanieLoony (14:18:21): what, they chose not to
WesM 118 (14:18:26): How can they make a decision based on that?
DanieLoony (14:18:31): not everyone wants to see tentacles
DanieLoony (14:18:35): well, those four probably all did
DanieLoony (14:18:42): Xander for example is staying completely out of it
WesM 118 (14:18:47): Then recuse yourself from making a decision
DanieLoony (14:18:53): I will
DanieLoony (14:18:55): I won't mak the decision
DanieLoony (14:19:09): I'll have fun with my girlfriend like I intended on doing from the day before all this started
DanieLoony (14:19:19): I'm meant to be on a semi-break from EoFF, go figure
DanieLoony (14:19:53): But seriously
DanieLoony (14:20:00): I for one would prefer NOT to be quoted from your chats
WesM 118 (14:20:17): I won't quote you if you don't want.
DanieLoony (14:20:23): thanks
DanieLoony (14:20:39): If it's a question staff can go over and reply to, so be it, but I only speak for ME
WesM 118 (14:20:45): I have a whole convo with Yams saved where he said that he thinks Kishi should be banned and that Shlup's the only one arguing for unbanning - but I didn't post it.
DanieLoony (14:20:45): and I haven't even read every single post on the matter.
DanieLoony (14:21:36): sorry, but all I hear these days
DanieLoony (14:21:40): Kishi Kishi Kishi
DanieLoony (14:21:46): You
DanieLoony (14:21:50): Sephy1999AD
WesM 118 (14:21:53): You accepted the responsibility
DanieLoony (14:21:55): staffers
DanieLoony (14:22:02): Yeah, but I don't need it on AIM
WesM 118 (14:22:04): I'm sorry it's interfering with you.
DanieLoony (14:22:07): I COULD kill off AIM
WesM 118 (14:22:24): That won't hide the issue from you, no matter how much you wish it would.
DanieLoony (14:22:26): But I stay on for my friends who actually want to talk about something else.
DanieLoony (14:22:32): No.
DanieLoony (14:22:42): But it wouldn't bug me EVERY HOUR I'm at the PC
DanieLoony (14:23:11): some people going "yay you!" some people going "screw you!" some people going "here's a solutino!" and all that stuff
DanieLoony (14:23:22): I've had at least a dozen people IM me about it
WesM 118 (14:23:28): Maybe you should listen to 'em.
DanieLoony (14:23:38): I quote it all in EoFF staff.
DanieLoony (14:23:51): I listen to everyone.
WesM 118 (14:23:58): Well, Shlup doesn't
DanieLoony (14:24:02): But I can't please everyone.
WesM 118 (14:24:07): Which I think is completely wrong
DanieLoony (14:24:07): Yeah, well, Shlup speaks for herslef
DanieLoony (14:24:15): I told her to shut up, that's all I can do
DanieLoony (14:24:20): But if I could
DanieLoony (14:24:26): I'd tell you to shut up too :P
WesM 118 (14:24:28): "I don't care what you think" is NOT an appropriate response from an admin
WesM 118 (14:24:44): why? for being more responsible than some people on staff?
DanieLoony (14:24:58): for being ANNOYING xD
DanieLoony (14:25:04): i have people IMing me
DanieLoony (14:25:07): Complaining about YOU xD
WesM 118 (14:25:23): Staff members, eh? Complaining that I thought the members should see the image?
DanieLoony (14:25:26): No
DanieLoony (14:25:28): Other members :P
DanieLoony (14:25:34): Well, them and staff members.
WesM 118 (14:25:35): For what, exactly?
DanieLoony (14:25:42): For going ON and ON and ON and ON about it
WesM 118 (14:25:55): I didn't keep the Feedback thread going all by myself, y'know.
DanieLoony (14:26:00): I know
WesM 118 (14:26:10): Hell, I didn't even start it!
DanieLoony (14:26:11): And it's amusing that when I posted, most people agreed with me. and Snizz.
DanieLoony (14:26:18): Your LiveJournal, you dope.
DanieLoony (14:26:21): :P
WesM 118 (14:26:30): ...read the first two pages of the Feedback thread'
WesM 118 (14:27:05): "There seriously needs to be a clarification on the rules regarding posting inappropriate images. And also I think there needs to be a list of those who have "importance" and "status", so we know who can get away with anything."
WesM 118 (14:27:21): Psychotic posted that.
DanieLoony (14:27:29): Psy is always disagreeing with us anyway
WesM 118 (14:27:43): ah, therefore he can't be right
DanieLoony (14:27:46): No
DanieLoony (14:27:50): Obivously not :P
DanieLoony (14:27:55): You know what I mean.
WesM 118 (14:27:57): I guess Big D, Leeza, Matt, and Daryl aren't right, either?
DanieLoony (14:28:00): "PSYCHOTIC posted that!"
DanieLoony (14:28:02): So?
DanieLoony (14:28:08): quote bleys
DanieLoony (14:28:09): and then
DanieLoony (14:28:13): "BLEYS posted that!"
WesM 118 (14:28:16): He's usually so nondramatic
WesM 118 (14:28:23): completely unlike Bleys
DanieLoony (14:28:31): See? Works just the same. So yeah. Saying a name means little.
WesM 118 (14:28:42): It wasn't meant to mean a whole lot
DanieLoony (14:29:21): So, what do you want from me, again?
WesM 118 (14:29:47): I was hoping you'd stand by your principles and EoFF and argue the right thing, but I guess that effort is too much to ask of you.
DanieLoony (14:30:02): Like I said. I'm MEANT to be on staff semi-leave.
DanieLoony (14:30:03): BUT
DanieLoony (14:30:08): Instead I'm all EoFF
DanieLoony (14:30:22): No rest for the wicked :P
WesM 118 (14:30:24): I feel so sorry for you
DanieLoony (14:30:38): No need, I have a beautiful girl chatting to me right now.
DanieLoony (14:30:51): Always better to concentrate on the good things.
WesM 118 (14:31:00): Just one last question...what would Cid think?
DanieLoony (14:31:01): And for what it's worth, I've always been anti-ban.
WesM 118 (14:31:15): Except for those "vaunted principles" I mentioned in my LJ
DanieLoony (14:31:37): Cid? He loves Kishi. I'm sure he'll back ShlupQuack. Kishi + Shllup + Me, he'll back us, I'm confident of that.
WesM 118 (14:32:17): Really? Somehow, I don't think so. I think Cid would ban Kishi in a heartbeat.
DanieLoony (14:32:40): New Age Retro DG (5:57:07 PM): god
New Age Retro DG (5:57:13 PM): wesly is too melodramatic
Alza Sedai (5:57:31 PM): dare I say it
New Age Retro DG (5:57:35 PM): ?
Alza Sedai (5:57:36 PM): he's turning into Aaron Jr.
New Age Retro DG (5:57:39 PM): wahaha
New Age Retro DG (5:57:47 PM): it's funny because aaron is short
WesM 118 (14:33:22): I'm sorry I care about EoFF. I guess arguing for something when you're not on staff is melodramatic.
DanieLoony (14:33:45): Glad we've got that settled, then.
DanieLoony (14:34:01): ;-)
WesM 118 (14:34:34): Whatever - that's exactly why I'm just not coming online this weekend
WesM 118 (14:35:06): But if I'm melodramatic...what does that make Matt and Leeza and D?
DanieLoony (14:35:09): Well, maybe it'll be good for you to take a bit of time out.
DanieLoony (14:35:24): Leeza I think has found the job stressful anyway.
DanieLoony (14:35:29): D was struggling recently too.
DanieLoony (14:35:34): Matt always talks about stepping down.
WesM 118 (14:35:35): It won't change my mind any. EoFF is so much more than Kishi.
DanieLoony (14:35:41): NONE of them surprised me.
DanieLoony (14:36:32): Yes, EoFF is.
DanieLoony (14:36:38): And you know, stuff like this has happened before.
DanieLoony (14:36:49): And EoFF survived and thrived.
WesM 118 (14:36:51): It just amuses me when people blame me for this drama...when I didn't even cause it. If staff had lived with Daryl's decision to ban, like they would've done if she had banned any other member for that image, then this would've been all peaceful.
DanieLoony (14:36:56): And the people pretty much didn't care.
WesM 118 (14:36:58): What remotely like this happened before?
DanieLoony (14:37:12): If nobody made a big deal about things, then this wouldn't be so bad AT ALL.
WesM 118 (14:37:17): It's not just "the people" now. Three staff members quit.
DanieLoony (14:37:18): It doesn't even affect anyone else.
DanieLoony (14:37:31): I know that Britt, Raf, Rydia of Mist, Coach all stepped down at the same time.
WesM 118 (14:37:36): Yes it does - it affects the regular members if they have a "lapse of judgment."
WesM 118 (14:37:57): I can't believe you're saying this - if Shlup hadn't unbanned Kishi, none of this would've happened!
DanieLoony (14:38:08): I dont even know if you know why Scottie stepped down. Heh.
WesM 118 (14:38:25): No...and don't particularly care, but shoot.
DanieLoony (14:38:39): I'm not saying because it seems that things worked out fine.
WesM 118 (14:38:49): .......................
DanieLoony (14:38:56): And so long as they all respect the situations and so do we, then nobody in EoFF makes a big deal.
WesM 118 (14:39:03): Then you could've just not mentioned it in the first place.
DanieLoony (14:39:04): See how it works out and nobody gets hurt? Yeah.
WesM 118 (14:39:27): Yeah, but see: a good chunk of staff doesn't like this. So now what? They didn't all agree to just cover it up. They did the right thing, so now what?
DanieLoony (14:39:34): No, but that would defeat the purpose of telling you that this isn't as "BREAKTHROUGH!" as you think it is, and that it COULD be better if people would just shut it.
WesM 118 (14:39:59): It COULD be better if staff made the right, hard decision and lived by what they've spouted for the past 5 years.
DanieLoony (14:40:20): You won't find yourself feeling better from this chat, mate.
DanieLoony (14:40:34): Talk about something else if you like, though. There's so much going on that is much more FUN!
WesM 118 (14:40:38): I'm not looking to feel better. Banning Kishi won't make me feel better.
DanieLoony (14:40:43): Otherwise we'll just go around in circles.
DanieLoony (14:40:56): We could talk about bunnies.
WesM 118 (14:40:59): Because apparently you think this drama is the members' fault, which amazes me.
DanieLoony (14:41:27): No, I think it's the fault of Big D spilling his guts when he pledged he'd never do that no matter how much he didn't like how we do things at any point.
WesM 118 (14:41:49): He made the hard decision because he was disgusted by the fact staff wanted to just let this slide.
DanieLoony (14:41:50): We ARE like a secret service. When this stuff happens, it's smurfed up, yes, but it happens.
DanieLoony (14:42:10): I've witnessed two of my best friends leave EoFF and I never said a word about their reasoning.
DanieLoony (14:42:19): I would LOVE to have them back, but I kept to my word.
DanieLoony (14:42:40): I don't agree with everything that went on on either side.
DanieLoony (14:42:51): But I know where I stand, and I'm not moving.
WesM 118 (14:43:25): Yes, you kept to your word. Why don't you keep to it now?
DanieLoony (14:43:32): Also, if someone plasters it over EoFF after you told them to, you may get banned if Kishi does end up getting banned.
DanieLoony (14:43:37): I'd be careful if I were you.
WesM 118 (14:43:46): I was quite obviously being facetious.
DanieLoony (14:43:52): What, about not telling people about what happens in staff?
DanieLoony (14:43:56): Last I checked, I don't.
DanieLoony (14:44:07): Facetious isn't an excuse on the internet, you know that.
WesM 118 (14:44:15): Your word as in you'd do whatever you have to to someone who broke the rules.
DanieLoony (14:44:17): Be careful what you wish for.
WesM 118 (14:44:38): Whatever. If staff wants to twist these words around to me - punish me for showing the members' the image - then that's their perogative.
WesM 118 (14:44:48): But it'll be a blatant attempt to strike back at me for interfering with their cover-up.
DanieLoony (14:44:49): I might do that, yes, but if rules are bent then I have to accept it. That's how things go.
DanieLoony (14:45:06): I enforce the rules the staff as a whole make up.
WesM 118 (14:45:17): Unless you don't feel like it, as in Kishi's case.
DanieLoony (14:45:25): Yeah, whatever.
WesM 118 (14:45:41): ...how does Kishi signify a "enforcement of the rules?"
DanieLoony (14:45:43): *sighs* Will the bugging about Kishi stuff never end from you?
WesM 118 (14:45:54): Answer that question, and then I'm done. I have to go anyway.
DanieLoony (14:46:04): I don't understand the question.
WesM 118 (14:46:20): Isn't Kishi a loosening of the rules for one particular member, rather than the enforcement of the rules?
DanieLoony (14:47:28): Kishi was excepted from the rule not because he is one member, but because of the situation and his level of commitment and contribution to EoFF. Remember, no quoting, because these are my thoughts alone and I haven't spoken to Staff consulting about your 100135235 questions.
WesM 118 (14:48:20): Even though it has been staff policy for years, according to you, Unne, and other admins, that no one is exempt from the rules, despite who they are and what they've done? Just asking for clarification.
DanieLoony (14:48:35): YOU SAID THAT WAS THE LAST QUESTION >=O
WesM 118 (14:48:43): "Just asking for clarification."
WesM 118 (14:48:59): Your answer lead to another question.
DanieLoony (14:49:08): We've never had this kind of situation so we had to think about things a lot.
DanieLoony (14:49:35): I wasn't heavily involved in things at the time, so yeah. Remember, YOU make me involved, not anyone else. Everyone else accepts that I'm not the #1 at EoFF. Geez.
WesM 118 (14:49:45): And you don't feel this contradicts everything EoFF has stood for on the subject of favoritism?
DanieLoony (14:49:52): DAMMIT
DanieLoony (14:49:56): YOU AND YOUR QUESTIONS >=O
WesM 118 (14:50:00): I know you're not #1 at EoFF. But you're the only admin I talk to regularly. :P
DanieLoony (14:50:08): Then talk to Shlup :P
WesM 118 (14:50:10): Oh, suck it up, you big baby.
WesM 118 (14:50:12): Ew.
DanieLoony (14:50:21): You and her seem to get along like a house on fire.
WesM 118 (14:50:24): I talked to her quite long enough on LJ.
WesM 118 (14:50:28): We do, actually.
WesM 118 (14:50:34): I love her as a person, and I'm honest.
DanieLoony (14:50:42): That's what I mean! Go chat to her!
WesM 118 (14:50:45): I think she's a horrible administrator.
WesM 118 (14:51:38): And when you back her into a corner, she just goes "I don't care what you think" so nothing gets explained.
WesM 118 (14:52:01): So yeah. I'm done trying to convince Shlup.
DanieLoony (14:52:53): So you figure you can "convince" me? xD
WesM 118 (14:53:26): I figure you're open to reason, and that I know that, before this, you wouldn't have hesistated to say the staff shows absolutely no favoritism where the porn rule is concerned.
DanieLoony (14:54:32): I'm on leave for a reason
DanieLoony (14:54:34): :P
DanieLoony (14:54:38): well
DanieLoony (14:54:38): was
DanieLoony (14:54:39): heh
WesM 118 (14:54:47): ...if you weren't on leave, what would you do?
DanieLoony (14:55:32): No smurfing clue. Me on leave = Because of headache and not wantint to think about EoFF.
WesM 118 (14:55:57): Well, at least that's better than what it was before this chat.
WesM 118 (14:56:10): Well, I gotta go
DanieLoony (14:56:12): Bye
WesM 118 (14:56:15): See ya Sunday
WesM 118 signed off at 14:56:19.
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On a sidenote, he hasn't really interrupted cybersex, but he has interrupted some pretty fun chats so yeah.

[eestlinc]

i am not even going to read that.

[Shlup]

I took off the spoiler tags so I can read it without going nuts. I'll put them back when I'm done.

[RSL]

It's probably best for him to stay away for a few days.

Edit: Oh, who told him that I'm now okay with Kishi's unbanning? I read something about it in his lj. Just curious.

[Del Murder]

Good news. I can keep down solid foods now. How's everything going?

[Yamaneko]

Haha, it's funny how I told him not to say anything about my personal opinion on the matter (which is to keep Kishi banned :D ) and then he tells BoB that he has a logged chat with me saying I basically agree with him. The bastard. :p

[Yamaneko]

Good news. I can keep down solid foods now. How's everything going?
Is that why you were gone yesterday? Hope you're feeling better!

[RSL]

<b>***CENSORED***</b>

[Del Murder]

Yeah, I have the flu. I won't be able to participate as much as I would have liked, at least for now.

[RSL]

That sucks :(

Hope you feel better soon!

[crono_logical]

I've noticed I have to respond to more warned messages now, since Leeza etc. have gone and don't do it for me anymore :{

[Shlup]

Haha. Raist is a nut. "Can you give me a reason other than 'it's Kishi' and any of the reason's Shlup gave because she's obviously brainwashing everyone and is evil?" Kekeke.

Edit: Oh, who told him that I'm now okay with Kishi's unbanning? I read something about it in his lj. Just curious.Me! Collecting actual data to prove one way or the other would be too much work, so I started fudging it.
Good news. I can keep down solid foods now. How's everything going?
:love:

:fpbulb:!!

If, when Raist comes back, he starts in again on the drama, we should ban him for his own good and because we're tired of him stirring up crap. We can accuse him of harassing staff. That would amuse me greatly. I wanna be sure he's good and pissed when April Fool's is over so he's caught in an open-mouthed moment of rage. Muahaha.

[crono_logical]

Maybe that'd help explode feedback a bit more ready for it's closure :D

[eestlinc]

If you banned Raist you would be elected empress or something. They'd build a statue.

[Shlup]

We need to bait Raist though... Probably with Daryl's dramatic stepdown for when he comes back Sunday.

*gets an idea and goes to edit her sig*

Muahahaha.

[RSL]

Okay, now I have to come up with a story on why I would change my mind. I have a little time, thankfully.

[eestlinc]

Shlup brainwashed you, duh.

[Yamaneko]

Shlup offered sexing.

[Shlup]

You could say you want to stay out of this, say you're on the fence, or say I misunderstood/lied. Doesn't matter to me.

[Del Murder]

Just say you didn't think the image was that bad.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Laughing at Towns's cyber-mojo.

[RSL]

I thought Kishi should be banned as he posted porn. I told Raistlin this. My new story is that this was based on not seeing the image. Now that I have seen it, I think that it isn't banworth picture.

Something like that.

Or I could just say that I love Kishi too much. That works too.

[Loony BoB]

I thought Kishi should be banned as he posted porn. I told Raistlin this. My new story is that this was based on not seeing the image. Now that I have seen it, I think that it isn't banworth picture.

Something like that.

Or I could just say that I love Kishi too much. That works too.
Say Snizz helped you see the light. Great post he made.

[RSL]

That would mean that I'd have to read it.

[Yamaneko]

Just say it's a long post, so it must be right. You know, like in high school, if you have pages and pages of crap in an essay you get an automatic "A".

[crono_logical]

E for Effort though :p

[Big D]

I don't think we need to 'bait' anyone any further, especially not Raistlin. He seems to be near breaking point. The current level of tension and controversy is just fine:)

Why is edczxcvbnm de-RMed? Also, why is Nik0tine banned?

[crono_logical]

ed: no idea. Was he an RM? Might have got lost in the Unne avatar thing :p

nik0tine: see other thread :p

[Big D]

What am I talking about!? Man I'm dumb sometimes. Ed lost his RM status when he lost his sig. That was last bleedin' year.

I'm having a 'slow' day...

[eestlinc]

yea, I'm like ed hasn't been RM for a while.