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Loony BoB
03-06-2005, 12:30 PM
I think we should make it fairly good this time around. But we need to make it realistic, so here are the things that could lead to our "internal breakdown", so to speak...

1) Disagreements over the swear filter. The Staffers who haven't replied to Raistlin's thread actually want more swear words to be allowed, or else Leeza and Unne step down because they want every bad word to be censored.

2) I want to unban Baloki (which would make him the first of his kind to actually be unbanned - the only other that I know of is The Model Citizen, who wasn't unbanned but merely re-registered after a board change and we never bothered to ban him again), and we're all split on the decision.

3) We just don't tell anyone what's going on, other than 'we had some disagreements and some Staff decided to step down.' This would probably be the easiest to pull off.

4) Some Staffers want to ban ed, Raistlin, Kane and a couple of other members (maybe Doomgaze, Bleys or something) that they think the other Staffers are being too lenient to. We could actually go ahead and ban them just to make things more interesting. :D Although that would probably cause more of an uproar. :p

5) Cid wants to make the brown theme the ownly theme at EoFF. Many Staffers would rather die than see this happen, so they step down in protest.

6) We get some members in on the act and have them start a revolt against the existing Staff. I personally like this idea the most, provided we can get someone like Bleys in on it. We would only need a couple of members to be in on it and others would probably join their 'cause' anyway. xD

7) [other] Better ideas are welcome if you got 'em. We might have something more fitting nearer to the end of the month.

Another question is when do we actually start it. 31st March? 30th? 29th? The more we leave it, the more drama will go on in LiveJournal and EoFF, but there may be a point that people consider it a bit too early. *dunno*

crono_logical
03-06-2005, 01:28 PM
April Lies Day again already? :p

And why are most of your ideas about staff stepping down? xD

Loony BoB
03-06-2005, 02:11 PM
April Lies Day again already? :p

And why are most of your ideas about staff stepping down? xD
Do you read all the staff threads? :p This topic started in another thread. Other ideas are welcome but I can't think of anything prank-lke that wouldn't be incredibly obvious as being a joke.

RSL
03-06-2005, 02:14 PM
I like idea 6 too. This sounds like it could be fun.

Or if you go with a different idea involving stepping down, I could volunteer for that too as a bunch of people in chat know I was thinking about doing that anyway so it wouldn't come totally out of the blue.

Dr Unne
03-06-2005, 05:14 PM
My April Fools joke will be to ban ed, and then not un-ban him after April 1st. Think of the hilarity!

m4tt
03-06-2005, 05:15 PM
I've already stepped down once, I can do it again! It'd be fun. I can be a total bitch around the forums after I step down too. And before hand! Leading to the stepping down.

Leeza
03-06-2005, 05:26 PM
We get to pick only one of those options? They can all be done. :)

RSL
03-06-2005, 05:37 PM
We wouldn't want to go too overboard and give away the gag.

Del Murder
03-06-2005, 06:49 PM
I don't want Bleys to get invloved because he is one of the ones I want to fool. I was thinking more along the lines of eestlinc, since he's too smart to believe it anyway. What would be best is if there is some actual issue going on that was made by someone not in the know. Maybe we can impliment some ludicrous rule a week or so beforehand and see if Raistlin takes the bait. It has to be something really stupid, but serious enough for them to chew on. I like the only style is the new style idea. Or maybe we start filtering a whole bunch of borderline swear words, like 'crap' and 'damn'. If that doesn't work then we can have eest start a feedback thread that turns us against each other.

I don't want to ban those upstarts because they are the main ones we want to trick. There are also people who it wouldn't make sense to 'step down' over some petty thing, like Loony BoB or kishi or RSL. Then again if one of those longtime staffers were invloved it would create a huge uproar. Not BoB, though. Everyone with half a brain knows he'll watch the place implode before he quits over some stupid rule.

Loony BoB
03-06-2005, 07:21 PM
xD It's true.

Yamaneko
03-06-2005, 07:43 PM
How about you kick me off staff because I don't do anything? It's believable.

Leeza
03-06-2005, 07:56 PM
<i>Maybe we can impliment some ludicrous rule a week or so beforehand and see if Raistlin takes the bait.</i> - Del Murder

What exactly do you mean by <i>rule a week</i>? This sounds interesting.

The <i>only new style</i> would be good because Cid really likes it so it's believable.

Filtering words like <i>crap</i> and <i>damn</i> might not work because everyone knows that Dr Unne and I approve of those, but it will be confusing if nothing else.

Del Murder
03-06-2005, 08:02 PM
What exactly do you mean by <i>rule a week</i>? This sounds interesting.

What the smurf are you talking about?

Leeza
03-06-2005, 08:13 PM
I don't know. What are <i>you</i> talking about? :)


I don't want Bleys to get invloved because he is one of the ones I want to fool. I was thinking more along the lines of eestlinc, since he's too smart to believe it anyway. What would be best is if there is some actual issue going on that was made by someone not in the know. <b><i>Maybe we can impliment some ludicrous rule a week or so beforehand and see if Raistlin takes the bait.</i></b> It has to be something really stupid, but serious enough for them to chew on. I like the only style is the new style idea. Or maybe we start filtering a whole bunch of borderline swear words, like 'crap' and 'damn'. If that doesn't work then we can have eest start a feedback thread that turns us against each other.

Del Murder
03-06-2005, 08:17 PM
The ludicrous rule is the thing being implimented. It is being implimented in advance. More specifically, 'a week or so' in advance. :)

Leeza
03-06-2005, 08:21 PM
I swear the <i>beforehand</i> part was not in there before. :)

Of course it all makes sense now. :)

Del Murder
03-06-2005, 08:26 PM
It better, or else I'll give you the beforehand!

Big D
03-06-2005, 09:42 PM
Cid's recent rampage should provide plenty of fuel for idea #1.:D
I like the idea of playing with the "swear filter/staff abuse of power" disagreement. It'd be nice to make fun of the topics that Raistlin etc have been knotting their knickers over recently.
Might make them see it's not really so serious at all.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-06-2005, 11:40 PM
I pretend to kill myself. Ta-dah.

Yamaneko
03-07-2005, 03:05 AM
It's funny <i>and</i> original. I like it!

Shlup
03-07-2005, 10:28 AM
We can't do the unbanning Baloki one because we did that, what... last year or the year before? Where we all pretended to be banned members, but I let Sugpo post for real? I enjoyed that greatly.

Del's idea sounds best. Or we could work with something dealing with "Cid's recent rampage" (muahaha), like he wants to let the rules go to pot and staff members leave because of that. I dunno.

Whatever you guys come up with is probably good.

Xander
03-07-2005, 10:53 AM
I'm not really bothered either way on this. You guys do what you decide. =)

Loony BoB
03-07-2005, 01:21 PM
Xander is far too evil, grumpy and just plain mean for me to work with so I step down, never to visit EoFF ever again. They'll never know!

But yeah, the style idea would probably work best. Who would step down? Unne probably would because I think he's said that if we lose the Blue style, he'll never post again... or something.

Now, if we were actually going to change the style, how would we go about it? Just change it, or make an announcement a couple of days beforehand? *dunno*

Shlup
03-08-2005, 12:23 AM
If anyone takes the pink from me I will die.

Del Murder
03-08-2005, 02:41 AM
The old vs. new style is a good idea, because that will generate a LOT of response from the members. The only problem is I don't know if I could tolerate the new style for a couple days.

crono_logical
03-08-2005, 03:17 AM
At least you can still change if the avatar bit is on the top or the side, in your User CP :p

Shlup
03-08-2005, 03:23 AM
I don't know if people're gonna believe that Sean would do that. Bleys and Raist 100% would not believe it. No one who knows Sean thinks he's that much of an ass.

Del Murder
03-08-2005, 04:05 AM
Raist will believe it. Bleys may or may not, I don't have a good enough read on him to tell. I think it will depend on his mood.

Come up with a better rule if you can. I will do my best to.

Can I have permission to reveal our plan to eestlinc? He's great at coming up with stuff. He wouldn't buy any of it anyway.

Shlup
03-08-2005, 04:10 AM
I really don't think enough people would believe it for it to be much good. Of course people that don't know Sean at all will probably believe it, but I don't think anyone else will.

Hmm... I'm thinking, but coming up short. I feel inclined to exploit Raist in some way.

I don't care if you tell eest or not, but wait for other people's opinions just 'cause I dunno if anyone's really intent on eest being one of the victims or not.

Del Murder
03-08-2005, 04:31 AM
If they are they will be disappointed, but enough about that.

You knowing Sean makes you biased to think that no one could see him as an ass. Sean hasn't posted regularly for at least three years, and most members (including myself) don't have any sense of his personality. They would all buy it. Even the older members might be swayed to think he changed over the years, with the proper sugar coating. Of course, I wasn't around back then so I don't have a gauge into what the dynamic was, which is crucial to this analysis. And the other point is I don't want to turn the poor guy into a pawn for our evil bidding and make him look like this big hardass if he isn't cool with it, even if it is only for a couple days. We can actually avoid all this stuff by coming up with a very good corporate sounding reason for him to get rid of the other styles. I'll try to work on that right now.

If we really wanted to target Raistlin with our prank then I think the swear filter is the way to go. What are all the silly things that happen at FG that cause staff people to step down? They are a (fools) gold mine for that stuff. Yams, I'm putting you in charge of that one.

I keep thinking there's something else out there. Something so stupid, yet so believable, that it will create the biggest panty bunch that Eyeson has ever known.

m4tt
03-08-2005, 05:36 AM
Lets ban psychotic for a week. That would cause a HUGE uproar. :)

Big D
03-08-2005, 06:52 AM
I reckon we could 'stage' a few public conflicts between staff, leading to some kind of big bust-up.
For example, Shlup closes a thread in Feedback, saying "we discussed this in Staff and we're not going to do it", then I re-open the thread saying, "like hell we discussed it! Stop making our decisions for all of us" or something similar. Or a staffer posts a thread that's borderline spam and then another staffer closes it, saying "I expected better from you!"

That kind of low-level sniping against each other would make our descent into division quite believeable for the members. We could be divided on "policy" lines: those who favour the quick, simple approach of "follow the rules to the letter because it's convenient" and the ones who want a "case-by-case, let's-be-flexible" approach.
Or something similar. I just think it'd be fun to pretend to argue for a few days before going really stroppy and declaring war on one another.
:)

Shlup
03-08-2005, 07:25 AM
Those are good suggestions, D. We could do any of that.

The best suggestion I can come up with right now is working with Raist and Bleys's complaints about lack of professionalism among the staff. We could divide into members that think staffing should be fun, and those that thinks its a responsibility, pretend we argued about this for awhile, then one of us "fun" staffers does something public that "pisses off the more professional staffers" and that causes an uproar.

That's the best I came up with so far.

Big D
03-08-2005, 09:17 AM
Haha, that'd be cool. 'Serious versus fun', I mean. We've definitely got our own reputations in that regard, we could go to extremes without anyone getting suspicious. It kind of happens already, sometimes, just not in the wildly dramatic way we'd need to invent for this gag to work.
I'm all in favour.
People seem to think I've been behaving differently lately, so it'd be fun to see which side of the 'serious/fun' divide I fall on.

Cid
03-08-2005, 09:23 AM
How bout we make the forums index one big white page of death with a small link hidden somewheres to get inside.

Shlup
03-08-2005, 09:25 AM
That would also be amusing. Or, even better, make it an "I'm sorry, I'm taking EoFF down," page with a small link to the forums. I wonder how many people wouldn't ever get that its a joke and never come back. xD

Loony BoB
03-08-2005, 10:55 AM
We must get Raistlin to believe everything. I want him to make a massively long LJ entry talking about it.

Possible scenarios:

1) Disagreements over the swear filter. The Staffers who haven't replied to Raistlin's thread actually want more swear words to be allowed.

2) I want to unban Baloki (which would make him the first of his kind to actually be unbanned - the only other that I know of is The Model Citizen, who wasn't unbanned but merely re-registered after a board change and we never bothered to ban him again), and we're all split on the decision.

3) We just don't tell anyone what's going on, other than 'we had some disagreements and some Staff decided to step down.' This would probably be the easiest to pull off, but most boring.

4) Some Staffers want to ban ed, Raistlin, Kane and a couple of other members (maybe Doomgaze, Bleys or something) that they think the other Staffers are being too lenient to. We could actually go ahead and ban them just to make things more interesting. :D Although that would probably cause more of an uproar. :p

5) Cid wants to make the brown theme the ownly theme at EoFF. Many Staffers would rather die than see this happen, so they step down in protest.

6) We get some members in on the act and have them start a revolt against the existing Staff. I personally like this idea the most, provided we can get someone like Bleys in on it. We would only need a couple of members to be in on it and others would probably join their 'cause' anyway. xD

7) Unne could ban ed over something fairly minor (ed being stupid, Unne having enough of ed, etc.) and we could easily start a civil war with that one.

8) We could ban one of us, saying that we'd posted porn. That could be amusing. xD We could say it was posted in the Staff Forum, and then the rest of us could debate over whether or not posting porn in the Staff Forum is a bannable offence since we break so many rules in here anyway.

9) The debate over 'fun' and 'serious' reigns on to an extreme, with the Staff getting really edgy and whatnot.

10) Big D's idea of the public debate between two or more staffers over things. Maybe even a bun, unban, ban, unban of someone's account. That could be amusing.

It's also notable that right now I have a vB which isn't really being used. If we want to take it really far, we could set up a new FF site and see how many people 'convert'. xD

m4tt
03-08-2005, 04:02 PM
1) Disagreements over the swear filter. The Staffers who haven't replied to Raistlin's thread actually want more swear words to be allowed.
That might be good.

2) I want to unban Baloki (which would make him the first of his kind to actually be unbanned - the only other that I know of is The Model Citizen, who wasn't unbanned but merely re-registered after a board change and we never bothered to ban him again), and we're all split on the decision.
Didn't you guys do the unbanning thing last year? It wouldn't be funny. Plus Baloki sucks.

3) We just don't tell anyone what's going on, other than 'we had some disagreements and some Staff decided to step down.' This would probably be the easiest to pull off, but most boring.
Yeah, boring.

4) Some Staffers want to ban ed, Raistlin, Kane and a couple of other members (maybe Doomgaze, Bleys or something) that they think the other Staffers are being too lenient to. We could actually go ahead and ban them just to make things more interesting. :D Although that would probably cause more of an uproar. :p
I like this one.

5) Cid wants to make the brown theme the ownly theme at EoFF. Many Staffers would rather die than see this happen, so they step down in protest.
I LOVE this one.

6) We get some members in on the act and have them start a revolt against the existing Staff. I personally like this idea the most, provided we can get someone like Bleys in on it. We would only need a couple of members to be in on it and others would probably join their 'cause' anyway. xD
This is fine, but I don't like Bleys being in on it.

7) Unne could ban ed over something fairly minor (ed being stupid, Unne having enough of ed, etc.) and we could easily start a civil war with that one.
Sounds cool.

8) We could ban one of us, saying that we'd posted porn. That could be amusing. xD We could say it was posted in the Staff Forum, and then the rest of us could debate over whether or not posting porn in the Staff Forum is a bannable offence since we break so many rules in here anyway.
Could work.

9) The debate over 'fun' and 'serious' reigns on to an extreme, with the Staff getting really edgy and whatnot.
I like this one.

10) Big D's idea of the public debate between two or more staffers over things. Maybe even a bun, unban, ban, unban of someone's account. That could be amusing.
This one would be fun. :)

Another idea maybe: Cid could say he can't afford to keep this place up anymore, and one of us on staff (a knight preferably) offers to pay for all of it. They get promoted to head admin and Cid steps down since he no longer owns the place. The new admin does fine for a day or two, but then starts messing things up and gets power hungry and bans a few people. It probably wouldn't work out that much, but it sounded like a good idea in my head. :p

Loony BoB
03-08-2005, 04:10 PM
More ideas: Removing Eyes on Each other and/or removing the Feedback Forum.

Yamaneko
03-08-2005, 06:52 PM
I'm all for Unne banning ed for fun because I know that would push Raistlin's buttons.

crono_logical
03-08-2005, 06:53 PM
Removing Feedback would be great :D

As for people stepping down, if you do go with that, would it be better if you just hid their ranks instead, so they could stay up to date in the staff forum or something if they still wanted that? :p

Loony BoB
03-08-2005, 07:53 PM
Removing Feedback would be great :D

As for people stepping down, if you do go with that, would it be better if you just hid their ranks instead, so they could stay up to date in the staff forum or something if they still wanted that? :p
Good plan. *nods*

Loony BoB
03-08-2005, 08:25 PM
***CENSORED***

Okay, I think we should ban ed AND remove Feedback shortly after some people step down. Then we'll really piss Raist off. :D

My proposal: We ban ed, and then we unban him a few hours later, and then we ban him again - it'll look like a power struggle. Then, depending on who we want to step down, we either leave him banned or unbanned. It's notable that we can't contact edc or see his angstyness in all of this if we ban him - he doesn't use LJ or anything. I think we should leave him unbanned. Then Unne "steps down", and then a couple of others follow his lead. Try for 3-4 members stepping down. Make sure they have their reason. Then we start Knighting a few other people (we'll have to make sure they know what's going on).

A thread will probably start up in Feedback, so we close Feedback and adjust permissions so nobody can see it. Raist will be fuming in his LJ by now and we might have some upset older members at what's going on. By this point it'll be a few days away from 1st of April and I'm sure there will be a thread about EoFF having gone to hell, which we can have one staffer close and another staffer open it again, showing we're having trouble settling, what with a few experienced staffers gone and a few new ones in. Then, April Fools strikes, we go straight back to normal. Keep the new Knights, of course, but Feedback returns and is opened, Unne is admin and the others are back in as well. Hide all threads that were made in relation to the events that happened for all of April Fools and act as though nothing happened at all. Each time someone asks about it, just say something like "What? We don't know what you're talking about. :)" and it'll hit them like a tonne of bricks. :D

EDIT: The alternative of Unne stepping down and ed being unbanned would be ed staying banned and Unne staying on Staff and other people stepping down. Then we remove Feedback and we can also go really hardline against swearing if we want to, too.

Shlup
03-08-2005, 08:29 PM
Okay, I think we should ban ed AND remove Feedback shortly after some people step down. Then we'll really piss Raist off. :D
xD

Leeza
03-08-2005, 09:08 PM
You don't know how long Dr Unne will be gone so it might be a little difficult to plan around him, but that would be a good plan.

I'm willing to step down due to <B>***CENSORED***</B> if needed. I like removing Feedback. :)

Loony BoB
03-08-2005, 09:12 PM
You don't know how long Dr Unne will be gone so it might be a little difficult to plan around him, but that would be a good plan.

I'm willing to step down due to <B>***CENSORED***</B> if needed. I like removing Feedback. :)
Don't forget we can make it so that those that 'step down' can still see the Staff Forum. But yeah, the only thing you'll have to remember is to not edit other people's posts and the like. :p

Leeza
03-08-2005, 09:14 PM
I'll try to restrain myself. :)

m4tt
03-08-2005, 09:21 PM
Everyone but me, kishi and rsl are stepping down, right Danny? :p

Shlup
03-08-2005, 09:26 PM
Depends on what we decide to step down for.

Loony BoB
03-08-2005, 09:33 PM
Yup. You know we'll have to get Cid on this, too... or something.

As fun as it sounds, I don't think we could get it down to the four of us, Matt. xD We can dream~

Or, you know... just the two of us. ;D *snugs Matty*

m4tt
03-08-2005, 09:43 PM
:love:

crono_logical
03-08-2005, 09:44 PM
Everyone but me, kishi and rsl are stepping down, right Danny?

I dunno, thinking from the other side, I think people might smell something if myself and Roogle step down, since I think we're both seen as not the type to get mixed up in drama and stuff :p Maybe Leeza/Xander too, dunno. I think we should think carefully about who's pretending to do what :p

m4tt
03-08-2005, 09:46 PM
I dunno, thinking from the other side, I think people might smell something if myself and Roogle step down, since I think we're both seen as not the type to get mixed up in drama and stuff :p Maybe Leeza/Xander too, dunno. I think we should think carefully about who's pretending to do what :p
It was just a joke from the other thread really. :p

crono_logical
03-08-2005, 09:49 PM
Oh right :p

Del Murder
03-09-2005, 04:18 AM
I read some of the ideas here and I think they are great. I wrote this outline up at work today, though, so it doesn't include any of them. I'll go over the whole ed/feedback thing tomorrow.

Goal:

To trick the old members
1. Must be believable
2. Must make their squabbles look petty

To trick the new members
3. Must be something they'll care about

Other:
4. Must be good enough for staff to quit over

Ideas:

I. The new style is now the only style.
A. Justification: Sean wants the frontsite to match all the forums, and doesn't see a reason for more than one style. <---I can do better than this
B. Reason for quitting: The new style sucks.
C. Quitters: me, Shlup, Yams, Unne(?), perhaps one/two more
D. Problems:
1. Sean isn't an asshole, as Ms. Quack put it. This idea might be too out there. Needs a corporate sounding reason to work, and Sean's participation.
2. Not really directly related to what they complain about.
3. None.
4. None.
E. Upsides: The concept is basic and effective.
F. Downsides: We'll all have to use the new style.

II. Borderline swear words added to the filter with continued editing of the filtered edits.
A. Justification: None given. Unne/Leeza are fed up and freaking out can be the reason. Or we can use Google as a scapegoat.
B. Reason for quitting: Freedom of speech, 'going to far'
C. Quitters: Shlup, D, kishi(?), at least one more
D. Problems:
1. Depends on Unne/Leeza playing their parts. Still kind of far fetched.
2. None.
3. Borderline, but it can work.
4. Staff make the rules. Why would they just quit if they don't agree? A majority of staff have to stay on in this case, and eest certainly couldn't be added, due to his feelings on censorship. Unne and Leeza have to play their parts really well in this scenario. If I stay on I can certainly join them and easily become a psycho anti-swearing lunatic in a matter of days.
E. Upsides: Probably the most talked about issue and it would be nice to make fun of those people who bicker over it
F. Downsides: Discussed in D.

IIa. Converse of II. Swear filter is disabled and swearing is free game.
A. Justification: 'Hey, maybe Raistlin and Bleys have a point.'
B. Reason for quitting: Same reasons we have swearing disallowed in the first place.
C. Quitters: me, Unne, Leeza, one more
D. Problems:
1. Again, this depends on the Leeza/Unne reaction.
2. None.
3. I think a lot of the newer people will either like or not care about this one, and that puts too much pressure on us to make it a big incident.
4. Same as point 4 above, but in this case it would make a lot of sense to add eest to fill in the voids.
E. Upsides: Involves less people quitting than II, and allows eest to join
F. Downsides: swearing could get out of hand, the uproar wouldn't be as big because this is what a lot of people would prefer

III. A staff member (me for now) is banned for posting a porn image.
A. Justification: 'I'd ban my grandpa if he posted porn here.' -BoB
B. Reason for quitting: Image was borderline and 'accidental'.
C. Quitters: me (banned), Yams, D, Shlup or 4, basically the staffers closest to the banned member
D. Problems:
1. Give me an outlet to talk to these people and I can make it work. Aiyon, AIM, LJ would be crucial tools involved. A post made during a point of low activity would be made, and then 'edited' by a staff member: 'Wow, you should know better than this. Not appropriate. Way to make our lives a whole lot harder.' That's just off the top of my head.
2. Peter, anyone?
3. None.
4. Depends on who posted it I think. Some staffers have a bigger following than others.
E. Upsides: I'd like to think that I'm popular enough to create a huge stir if I was banned. If we really wanted to make an ipact larger than any ban Eyeson has ever seen, though, we should use kishi. He already has the connections and is loved by pretty much everyone. Imagine the chaos that would cause.
F. Downsides: Who ever was banned wouldn't be able to post and make his/her case heard publicly. That would silence it somewhat, and wouldn't be as fun for that person.

IIIa. Converse of III. A staff member (me) posts porn and <i>isn't</i> banned for it.
A. Justification: See B above.
B. Reason for quitting: See A above.
C. Quitters: Dr Unne, Loony BoB, RSL, kishi (think of the uproar THAT would cause)
D. Problems:
1. This might be TOO big, but I think we can pull it off. The post itself would still be treated like 1 above.
2. See 2 above.
3. None.
4. None. This would be a pretty big deal.
E. Upsides: This is the big one, the one I was waiting for. It's the only reason I could fathom Loony BoB quitting, which would generate instant debate, since he basically is the soul of this place. This would generate two factions. The Defection, led by BoB, vs. the New Staff, led by Shlup. The oldbies would side with the defectors since they always do, and the Psy faction would side with them too because of the whole Peter mess. Hell, the New Staff could even throw a wrench into the mess saying that they would consider reinstating Peter and Hoot to be 'consistent' or some other bs, or not and be known as public enemy number one. At some point eest could come into the mix and be knighted, since I think it would be believable that he would side with the New Staff.
F. Downside: This plan is very complex and everything would have to go perfectly for it to work, but I think we can pull it off.

In any case I think at least one of Shlup, Unne or BoB needs to quit and at least one needs to stay. In my opinion they are the clear leaders of this place and no faction would work without at least one of them.

RSL
03-09-2005, 04:25 AM
If we went with that last idea, would you actually post a porn picture to make it realistic or would we act like you did but we removed it quickly?

Del Murder
03-09-2005, 04:26 AM
BoB came up with the porn idea too, nice.

I like Big D's idea of staff starting to bicker amongst themselves in threads. We'd have to start doing that soon, though.

Would ed know what was going on in his scenario? I don't think I could trust him to play along, or if I'd want to. The thing with joke bans is that it's been done before. Sure, not like this, but I like the idea of <i>not</i> banning someone. That would feed our elitist persona. It would take a lot of rumor spreading, though.

I think the idea of getting rid of Feedback is great.

RSL: Act like I did. We'd have to come up with a good 'edit' for the post.

RSL
03-09-2005, 04:31 AM
Ah, good.

***CENSORED***, so it should be extra realistic if we do it outside this forum!

Shlup
03-09-2005, 04:43 AM
Veeeery interesting. I would say that you, Del, would be the second best option for either of the porn ones. Kishi would be my first choice for those just 'cause its believable that he'd post something totally inappropriate. ^_^

I think II and IIIa are the best so far. I think just us bickering over different things would be the most fun for everyone, but that'd be really hard to pull off.

RSL
03-09-2005, 04:44 AM
Yeah, Kishi would probably work better for the porn idea. I'm up for all these ideas!

Del Murder
03-09-2005, 04:50 AM
To do the bickering we'd have to draw up the teams within a couple days, and then stay in character until the 24th or so when we split. The difficult part would be staying in character until then, and finding ways to bicker in the forums (besides Feedback, which would be simple), though that would also be the fun part.

Big D
03-09-2005, 04:51 AM
We could combine everyone's ideas, and start having really bad clashes over numerous policy decisions. Sort of like a rift widening between numerous staffers, where we get on each others' nerves and eventually disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. This could include issues like spam, profanity, professionalism, closing threads/editing posts, and borderline porn. Goodness knows we often disagree, often passionately, on plenty of issues. With a bit of melodrama, we could ham it up into a full-blown personality clash, with staffers on different sides of the fence for different issues.

Feedback would be an ideal place for this kind of thing, but virtually any GC thread on a mildly controversial topic would be fine.

The only problem would be ensuring we all know when we're just acting... we'd need a thread in Staff where we post the link to every thread where we're pretending to argue.

Examples of snarky inter-staff posting:


I know YOU have a dirty mind, Shlup, but I don't really think the rest of us want that kind of policy change.

*snip* Edit by Big D: Flaming is bad, even when a staffer does it. Especially when a Staffer does it. See you in the Warned Members List, champ.

Shouldn't we keep these whiny pissing-contests in the Staff Forum where they belong?
In spite of what our esteemed Admin says, we haven't really discussed this issue in Staff so it's still open for debate. *Reopens thread*
These kinds of low-level hostilities could easily escalate into something big and nasty and definitely attention-grabbing. If we did it right, they'd totally overlook the fact that we're approaching April Fool's day.

If we just followed our instincts and disagreed however it suited us, we'd get a pretty plausible web of resentment and disparity.
:D

Del Murder
03-09-2005, 04:53 AM
I'm all for bickering around, leading up to one big incident that created the split (which I think should be one of the porn ideas). That sounds great!

It has to start subtle, though, and like D says we have to remember which side we're on.

I love D's quotes. The funny part is this is all stuff that ***CENSORED***, when there wasn't a big joke going on.

RSL
03-09-2005, 04:54 AM
This sounds like so much fun. The best part will be Raistlin's LJ.

Leeza
03-09-2005, 04:56 AM
I like Big D's idea because I think that it might be the simplest one to pull off.

Yamaneko
03-09-2005, 04:57 AM
Let's start building up about a week before Fool's Day. This will be great. I'll take whatever side Del takes.

RSL
03-09-2005, 05:00 AM
I wanna be on Kishi's team.

Big D
03-09-2005, 05:02 AM
I'm just gonna disagree in whatever way best matches my own attitudes and opinions. In fact, we could probably all get away with that, as long as we also pretend to ignore our own enlightened ability to celebrate our differences and find a peaceful, loving solution to every conflict.


...Having said that, I'll probably end up on the same side as Tony, Leeza and possibly RSL.

Del Murder
03-09-2005, 05:05 AM
I think the groups should follow somewhat of an 'old vs. new' pattern. Shlup is old but I think we need her to lead the 'new' group since she is something of a figurehead. Something like this:

Groups (very tenative):
Old: BoB, kishi, RSL, Unne, 4
New: Shlup, me, Xander, Yams, D, Leeza

I think Archie, Roogle, and Daryl should stay on staff no matter what since they wouldn't seem like the type to get invloved in our squabblings. Maybe RSL too, since he's always been on here. We can't have TOO many people quit, after all.

It's more believable if the new group quit, but it would be more of an uproar if the old group quit. Those guys would piss their pants. It would take a lot of work to get them to believe it, however.

Is there a different split anyone had in mind? Maybe we should pick teams like in kickball.

Leeza
03-09-2005, 05:07 AM
I'm going to have to be on the side that edits the swears, etc.

Del Murder
03-09-2005, 05:08 AM
Yes, there's the swears/non swears split as well. It's different than above, since obviously Unne and Leeza would be on the same team.

Shlup
03-09-2005, 05:15 AM
We'll have to keep our "teams" in mind, but we can't stray too far from our actual beliefs or people wont buy it as much. Just act like normal, except forget the part where its "just a message board" and get nice and uptight. Haha

D, your example bickerings are hillarious.

We should probably start the public bickering in a Feedback thread. Like something that we "discussed in staff" and couldn't agree on, so one of us decides to up and bring the discussion outside of the staff forum, which is bound to tick off someone else and starts the nasty little comments. See where that goes.

Leeza
03-09-2005, 05:29 AM
<i>We'll have to keep our "teams" in mind, but we can't stray too far from our actual beliefs or people wont buy it as much. Just act like normal, except forget the part where its "just a message board" and get nice and uptight. Haha</i> - Shlup

This sounds good. Just be yourself, but 100% more so and we have to decide ahead of time who is going to leave.

Loony BoB
03-09-2005, 08:46 AM
I. The new style is now the only style.
C. Quitters: me, Shlup, Yams, Unne(?), perhaps one/two more
Thoughts: I could quit over this, but I probably wouldn't.

II. Borderline swear words added to the filter with continued editing of the filtered edits.
C. Quitters: Shlup, D, kishi(?), at least one more
Thoughts: I could quit over this, but I probably wouldn't.

IIa. Converse of II. Swear filter is disabled and swearing is free game.
C. Quitters: me, Unne, Leeza, one more
Thoughts: I could quit over this and it wouldn't look too weird... but some wouldn't notice.

III. A staff member (me for now) is banned for posting a porn image.
C. Quitters: me (banned), Yams, D, Shlup or 4, basically the staffers closest to the banned member
Thoughts: I can't imagine you posting porn at all and I don't think the members would buy it. Kishi or Shlup are the two obvious choices here. I could quit over this kind of thing.

IIIa. Converse of III. A staff member (me) posts porn and isn't banned for it.
C. Quitters: Dr Unne, Loony BoB, RSL, kishi (think of the uproar THAT would cause)
Thoughts: I can't imagine you posting porn at all and I don't think the members would buy it. Kishi or Shlup are the two obvious choices here. I could quit over this kind of thing. I don't think Kishi would step down over someone not getting banned for posting porn. :p

I still think we should definitely include the idea of banning and unbanning an account in a clear power struggle (likely ed) and then having the new staff remove Feedback and whatnot, as in my other post. It's the idea I think would be most believable by both oldbie and newbie alike, and it would show a clear power struggle which is most important. If we did go with the porn idea, I think we should 'ban', unban-and-knight and then 'ban' Kishi again. Or something.

The power struggle, the banning of a member and the removal of Feedback are the main things I think would make for a huge uproar, collectively.

Shlup
03-10-2005, 01:05 AM
Lets fake a group suicide. Cult-style. WOO!

Del Murder
03-10-2005, 03:25 AM
I, like BoB agree that the three main phases should be:

1. Power struggle (soon - March 24-25)
a. Starts in Feedback, perhaps two staffers should have an open argument over something
i. Should be BoB and Shlup, since they are the most active participators in Feedback arguments
b. Trickles out into the forums in the form of opening/closing threads, sticking/unsticking, editing each other's posts, etc.
i. Could also invlove LJ, and buttering up the victims in aim
c. Make sure you don't stray too far from your own ideals, as Leeza says, be yourself, only to the extreme, and disregard your usual respect and courtesy towards the rest of us

2. Banning of a member causes some staff to quit (March 24-26)
a. I think it should be a staff member and over porn
i. BoB: The thing about me is that not many people outside of staff know what I'm capable of, but if I am wrong about that then I agree with you that it would not make sense that I would post porn
ii. I think kishi would be the best candidate, since he has that nice air of mystery around him that can take care of motive, and there would be much more uproar than if I did it
ii. The post would of course not have any porn, it would quickly be edited by someone else
iii. When people ask to see the subject in question (in im, pm, whatever) we'd have to come up with a reason not to give it, since it doesn't exist
b. The other idea is to ban/un ban ed
i. My gripe with this is that it relies on ed too much and he is unpredictable
ii. It would at least be more believable than banning a staff member
c. This is where 3-5 staff members would quit
i. Need to pick teams (once a. or b. is decided)
ii. Mod those discussed in the 'New Knights' thread as their replacements, but at least allow a day or two to pass beforehand

3. Feedback Forum is removed due to continued uprising (March 26-April 1)
a. The quitter group could argue with the remaining staff, but we should be sure to allow one of the upstarts to start it
b. On April 1 everything goes back to normal with no explanation, with the exception of the new staff members staying, of course

Shlup
03-10-2005, 03:31 AM
We could even take the power struggle a step farther by finding a reason to ban at least one of the people that step down. That's be amusing.

And I like the "everything back to normal with no explaination." I amuses me to think about.

Leeza
03-10-2005, 03:40 AM
I agree that Kishi should be the one to post the porn and not you, Del. If he agrees. If anyone gets their email notifications like I do though, and there's an image posted, I get to see it through Hotmail without having to come into EoFF. So, it wouldn't matter if it's editted immediately, I would still see the uneditted link or whatever else was posted, and it, of course, would show no porn. I think it would just have to be a post with a fake edit in it to begin with. But if I'm the only one who gets email notifications then it doesn't matter. :)

Shlup
03-10-2005, 03:43 AM
Or the staff member could post a fake edit rather than posting nothing and waiting for someone to edit it.

Leeza
03-10-2005, 03:52 AM
Please disregard my last post as it is totally incorrect. I would have to be subscribed to a thread before I would get email notification of it so all Kishi would have to do is start a new thread. :)

Del Murder
03-10-2005, 03:56 AM
If it's done during a period of low activity then the person could just post the edit to begin with, like Shlup says. Members have no way of knowing if a post was staff edited or not. Just make sure the 'editing' staffer is also online at the time.

Shlup
03-10-2005, 04:04 AM
We need to do something in the next couple of days thats likely to make Raist start a bitching thread... Hmm...

Leeza
03-10-2005, 04:09 AM
I can edit some posts that have a lot of useless smurfs in them. :)

Shlup
03-10-2005, 04:14 AM
We would have to get someone to do that though. And then complain about it. And then Raist would surely flip. Hehe

Del Murder
03-10-2005, 04:15 AM
He won't notice in time...unless it's ed. Maybe he can useful after all.

What's something else he cares about? I agree that things should be getting underway fairly quickly.

We could also try to get Proto to complain about something, allowing Raist to jump in as usual. <B>***CENSORED***</B>

Leeza
03-10-2005, 04:31 AM
Do you mean by having Proto in on the joke? Because I think that Proto will spill the beans to Raistlin if he's in on it.

Big D
03-10-2005, 04:38 AM
Nah, I think Del means we could easily 'wind up' Pr0t so that he'd complain about something we want him to complain about. We could do something crafty... just serious enough to provoke him into Feedbacking (I've invented a new word!) without causing a really big stink.

Shlup
03-10-2005, 04:44 AM
*puts on her thinking cap*

Del Murder
03-10-2005, 05:39 AM
Nah, I think Del means we could easily 'wind up' Pr0t so that he'd complain about something we want him to complain about. We could do something crafty... just serious enough to provoke him into Feedbacking (I've invented a new word!) without causing a really big stink.
Yes. Proto would be easier to get going than Raist since he's a lot more active. He will not be in on it. I can't think of anything right now. He brings up a lot of random topics.

Del Murder
03-10-2005, 05:42 AM
<a href="http://www.forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?p=1021279">This might get the ball rolloing.</a>

The closed threads thing is a recent issue and is also pretty stupid. Maybe someone will take the bait I just laid and this will be what gets us started. Thoughts?

Shlup
03-10-2005, 05:48 AM
What bait did you just lay?

Del Murder
03-10-2005, 05:53 AM
I told kishi to stop posting in closed threads. He then added more, and not without his certain charm. If we all start going overboard on the closed thread thing someone will complain about it. Then we release our trap. Unless of course someone comes up with something better.

Shlup
03-10-2005, 05:59 AM
*reads Kishi's post and dies laughing*

RSL
03-11-2005, 03:02 AM
<3 Kishi.

So we're to start some in thread bickering? I just snapped at Yams in general chat. I hope he didn't think it was for real!

Del Murder
03-11-2005, 03:19 AM
Remove the goomba smiley.

Shlup
03-11-2005, 03:46 AM
I came to check in here about that thread in Gen Chat. Haha.

*re-opens it bitchez!*

RSL
03-11-2005, 04:04 AM
haha you just made crash's day!

Shlup
03-11-2005, 04:21 AM
I'm so cool.

Shlup
03-11-2005, 04:23 AM
I'd re-open it but I don't want things to heat up too fast. :o

RSL
03-11-2005, 04:33 AM
I agree.

Shlup
03-11-2005, 04:35 AM
this is me arguing with you in staff about that thread

rawr, rawr, rawr! *bite*

Leeza
03-11-2005, 04:36 AM
I'm going to close that "crush" thread in GC sometimes tomorrow saying that there have been too many of these types of threads lately and people should just start PMing each other if they like each other so much or something and some one can reopen it.

Shlup
03-11-2005, 04:37 AM
I AM RE-OPENZILLA! RAWR!!

Leeza
03-11-2005, 04:39 AM
That thread is also really plugging up my inbox. :)

Shlup
03-11-2005, 06:07 AM
I wonder how many threads we can close before someone makes a Feedback thread?

http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57754

Del Murder
03-11-2005, 07:14 AM
No one gives a crap about the chat room. You've got to <a href="http://www.forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=57659">hit em where it hurts</a>.

Shlup
03-11-2005, 07:16 AM
This is going to be easier than I thought. o.O

I'll wait until Leeza or someone closes the thread.

Del Murder
03-11-2005, 07:17 AM
Oh, I did it. Do you want to wait for someone less popular to do it?

Shlup
03-11-2005, 07:19 AM
It doesn't really matter. I can't decide yet if I want to be one of the closers or one of the re-openers.

Shlup
03-11-2005, 07:20 AM
I've been feeling a growing urge to kill <B>***CENSORED***</B>, and it just spiked a point. Is that bad?

Del Murder
03-11-2005, 07:26 AM
Use it to our advantage. You and I should stick together Shlup, we could make beautiful music together. I think with Yams, D, and Leeza we'd make the best 'rouge' group. Have we decided who's going to quit yet?

Shlup
03-11-2005, 07:38 AM
I think we're waiting to officially decide until we see how this plays out over the next week or two. We have plenty of time to decide, since we only have to step down a few days in advance.

Leeza
03-11-2005, 08:10 AM
Haha. Closing that thread should upset someone I'm sure. I'm not on Raistlin's LJ friends list so you guys will have to keep some of us updated on if he posts anything.

I think we'll have to play it by ear and see what happens closer to April 1st, but I'd like to be one of the staff that steps down, depending on how many of us should. I think Del stepping down will be a big hit. Kishi as well, but the thing is that I don't see Kishi being someone who would announce that he'd be leaving. He would just disappear quietly...like he's already done more than once. :)

And I don't think any of us have to be only closers or re-openers. We can all close threads here and there and one of us will disagree with the closure and reopen it and then we can eventually start attacking each other for overstepping our decision to close. This should make it look like we really don't discuss or agree on anything.

Big D
03-11-2005, 08:20 AM
***CENSORED***
Hah. Being "really serious" is fun sometimes:D

I'd like to be one of the "quitters" at the end of all this. I can pretend to get increasingly flustered and stressed by the decaying standards of Shlup and the like:p

I've also thought of a shocking curveball I can throw in at the last minute to help justify my departure;)

Big D
03-11-2005, 08:29 AM
I reckon this thread would be a good place for posting links to all our "act" posts.
Just so we can keep track of what's real and what's staged. Could be handy for future reference, and to make sure none of us gets the wrong idea:cool:

Loony BoB
03-11-2005, 01:42 PM
We still need to figure out which idea we'll use. I'm all for the Kishi-posts-porn-thread or the Someone-bans-ed idea. I think someone banning ed would be ever-so-slightly more realistic, and maybe we can ban Kane, too. People would think - especially after Baloki and Linus getting banned - that we're getting really angsty. Arguments would arise over whether they should have been banned. I really would love to see the ban-unban-ban-unban-ban ordeal, too.

Stepping down would have to be staggered - we can't just demote everyone in one go. So people will have to make posts saying "This is where I step down!" and stuff. Maybe someone can make a big rant about EoFF going down a hole so they decided to resign. That would be great. I hope someone will.

I think that Kishi or ed should be banned and unbanned a few times over and then eventually unbanned - because that way the winners would be the more 'lax' of our group, and then more serious people would step down. I'd expect that to include Unne, Leeza, maybe Big D since he wants to... Daryl, too, I'd imagine. Matt? RSL? Anyone else think that if ed or Kishi were to be unbanned for elitist reasons that they'd step down? I don't know if I would, but I'm happy being on either side. I'm just really not very good at being angry, but one thing I am good at is saying that everything is okay and denying that Staff has any problems. If Kishi was to post a porn-thread and then (after the ban-unban thing) get away with it, then everyone would say "Oh, Daniel would ban them!" When I don't, Raistlin and Psychotic will accuse me of going back on my word and being an elitist (along with other still-staffers). Most likely they'd bring this up in Feedback. That would be a great chance to permanently close Feedback. Then they'd start in LJ and General Chat. And then we'd have our fun and then April Fool's would come and we'd be all happy-days-nothing-is-wrong-do-you-like-our-new-Knights-they-are-pretty-and-fun.

Remember, try not to make every post a "unlike some staff 'friends' of mine..." stuff and keep it to "No, I think this can stay open... it'll be fine." Stuff like that will be much more believable. We only need to do it 3-4 times to make it look like we're having issues, anyway, and when we do the ban and power struggle and demotings, then that's where the big stuff will begin. Thread closures and whatnot should be very minor in comparison. The power struggle will be in the banning and unbanning of ed or Kishi.

Also, whoever stays on Staff shouldn't do the moaning at all. They should be all "it's okay, we'll sort it out" kind of stuff. If everyone starts doing the acting up, it'll be too obvious. We only need 3-5 people to really do the acting, and those are the ones that step down.

We also need to make sure the new Knights know what to expect and how to act and they need to know all this is a practical joke on the rest of the forums. They'll be just as much a part of this as anyone. We don't want eest thinking that it's all going to hell and then for him to decline the offer of being a Knight because of it. :p

Loony BoB
03-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Okay, I think Kishi should be 'banned' because he posted a thread with Hentai in it. Not porn. Maybe linking to a site that was full of Hentai material as well as those japanese hentai comic things. That sounds mildly realistic. We can make it be a borderline site so that's why there's the old struggle over whether or not he should be banned. Say he linked to a site that contained hentai images in at least three different locations. I'm not sure WHERE that site would be - he could probably come up with something. Someone on step-down-side would remove the link and ban him. Someone on the stay-on-staff side would unban him (obviously an admin) saying we need to discuss this one further and find out Kishi's side of the story. He'd admit to things and say he shouldn't get banned for it (or whatever he thinks he'd likely say), and get instantly banned by a step-down-side person once they see the post. The stay-on-staff group would then unban him saying we still need to discuss the matter before we make the final ban, and start backing Kishi. Then one of the step-down-side would step down - maybe Unne or an admin, since they can demote themselves without argument - and that would give cause for the others to follow suit. Everyone who remains would be all "Oh, well, it's tough times but we'll work it through" and act positive for the most part (because that's what we do in those situations, we've had it happen before after all), and everyone who stepped down can be moody and begrudged.

The the 'revolution' and 'down with elitism' or whatever threads in Feedback, then the closing of Feedback, etc. Oh, and the new Knights. One being ShivaBlizzard8 which will hopefully surprise everyone enough to counter the possible people out there that might maybe guess all of this to be a hoax. After all, why would we let a fairly unknown member of EoFF in on things? Mwahaha! I'm so happy.

It's all too perfect. Mwahahah.

RSL
03-11-2005, 06:42 PM
I think we should do it exactly as BoB just posted. The unknown, of course, is how people will react. We can guess people's likely responses easily enough, but they can always suprise us.

Loony BoB
03-11-2005, 06:45 PM
Well, we can keep in mind that even if it doesn't work, at least it won't be as bad as the time we did the fake public staff forum. So obvious. So bad. xD

Leeza
03-11-2005, 06:48 PM
I just closed that 'crush' thread so someone can reopen it at some point.

I like your layout there, BoB, but Kishi hasn't really done too much posting in this thread so I hope he agrees to posting some non-porn and getting himself banned. :)

Yamaneko
03-11-2005, 07:16 PM
I like this idea too. :)

Loony BoB
03-11-2005, 08:07 PM
Don't forget all the people we 'ban' or 'demote' will still have Staff access. Kishi is invisible all the time anyway so the general public will never know.

Loony BoB
03-11-2005, 08:11 PM
Okay, so things we need to sort out.

1) Is Kishi okay with being the guy who gets "banned".
2) I'm assuming that Unne, Leeza and Big D will join the protest of stepping down since Kishi will (eventually) stay unbanned or something of that sort... who else will join this group, if any others? We need to know our positions.

Leeza
03-11-2005, 08:22 PM
Yes, Kishi's staying unbanned will be one of my reasons for stepping down. I'll also add the swearing stuff to the list anything else that will come up before the time. :)

m4tt
03-11-2005, 08:33 PM
I volunteer to get kicked off. I wanna yell at people and cause a ruckus. :D

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-11-2005, 08:37 PM
I'll go along with whatever you guys want. So, yeah.

crono_logical
03-11-2005, 08:46 PM
As for a "borderline" site Kishi could post, how about something like 4chan? :p

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-11-2005, 08:50 PM
I'd prefer to be banned for posting an inappropriate image rather than linking to an inappropriate site.

Leeza
03-11-2005, 08:52 PM
That's good enough for me.

Big D
03-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Count me in!
I'll be sure to treat Kishi's unbanning like it's the ultimate in hypocritical, unprofessional behaviour.

RSL
03-12-2005, 12:23 AM
Put me on whatever side. I'd like to be on Kishi's team because Kishi is my reason for living, but it would definitely be out of character for me to side with unbanning someone who posted porn. I'm sure I could make it work though.

Roogle
03-12-2005, 01:58 AM
I want to be on the same side as Daryl, so we're staying! :love:

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 03:22 AM
So Leeza, Unne, D and 4 are stepping down? Personally I think 4 should stay since I don't think it's believable he'd go against BoB, Shlup, RSL, etc. But if he wants to be nasty and yell and stuff then it's not that big a deal. He quit before so maybe we can work that in somehow. I thought it would be better if me and Yams went instead since we usually stay out of this net drama stuff and it would be fun to see us explode in some big firey ball of angst. It would be believable for me to quit over favortism towards kishi, since we are very similar in a very opposite way, and we can even throw jealousy into the mix. At least that's what I've noticed. Yams would go a day later because I did, of course. Unne would go because he's 'fed up', Leeza because 'we're acting like a bunch of little kids', and D can be the one doing the original banning. Those three are good. What do you guys think about the fourth (fifth)? I really could sway either way, since I pretty much keep to myself.

Those who stay could just argue that the image was 'art'. I think it is important that no one ever sees the actual image. Then they can speculate all they want. Maybe kishi can give a hilarious yet vague description of it, but I'd rather they not be able to make up their minds for themselves.

BoB's plan is great, though.

Leeza
03-12-2005, 04:30 AM
I'm good with whatever I'll have to do as long as there is a definite plan layed out. So far we have something like this:

*Kishi will post an image.
*A step-down person (Big D?) will edit the post and ban Kishi. A specific time has to be set up for this so that both are online at the same time.
*A stay-on person (Shlup?) will unban Kishi so that he can have his say.
* Kishi will have his say and an admin (Unne?) will ban him again after coming online to find the 'mess we're in'.
* A stay-on person will unban Kishi saying we can work this out.
*An Admin (hopefully Dr Unne) will step down because of this.
*Others begin to follow. The original banner (Big D?) because he was overuled. Del because "it's just not fair!" or something. Yams because Del left. I'll leave just because of all the crap and animousity that's been happening lately and this is just the last straw. Anyone else want to step-down?
*Those who stay argue that the image/site was not inappropriate.
*Threads in Feedback.
*Close Feedback.
*New Knights.
*April 1st everything is back to normal with everyone is back and denying that anything at all happened.

We just have to have a definite split of who is stepping down and who is staying.

I choose to step down.

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 05:25 AM
I like that timetable. This depends on Unne coming back in time, but we can use that as part of the storyline. Unne comes back after taking a break and finds all this crap and just flat out leaves. It makes some sense. Then Big D, and the rest will follow. I think 5 max should step down, but it should make sense for those people to do so. Who would be the most acceptable, yet be the most fun and create the most stir? I'll be on whatever side that you guys think will maximize those three things. It also has to be dramatic! You people know these oldbies better than I, what do you think they would buy the most? The midlevel members like Psychotic will believe anything we shove down their throats, I think.

I will fill whatever role needs filled (meaning: RSL/4 decide if you are stepping down or not).

m4tt
03-12-2005, 05:30 AM
Well if you think I should stay, I'll stay on. I just wanted to cause a ruckus, but then I realized I'm not very good at pretending to be an ass. And no one has pissed me off lately, so I can't be an ass. :\

Big D
03-12-2005, 05:37 AM
Once it's over, we'll have to make really sure everyone knows it was just a gag. Closing this thread and moving it into GC could accomplish that.

Leeza
03-12-2005, 05:38 AM
I don't think that you really have to be or act like an ass in order to leave. You just have to show that you're upset enough and then just leave. I think that all of this leaving should be done in public in one thread in Feedback where Kishi's banning/unbanning is being discussed. This thread can be open long enough for discussion until some Knights finally leave because they've had enough of the double standards and general bickering and then Feedback can be closed.

Leeza
03-12-2005, 05:41 AM
Once it's over, we'll have to make really sure everyone knows it was just a gag. Closing this thread and moving it into GC could accomplish that.
They'll have to realize that it really is a gag when we all come back...I would think. I wouldn't want to move this whole thread into GC. Besides, the new Knights will know it was a gag and back us up, I guess.

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 06:30 AM
We'll see how it goes.

4: I could say the Padres suck if that helps.

Shlup
03-12-2005, 06:34 AM
If Unne doesn't come back in time we could always just de-admin him, then when no one can contact him they'll think he really went off. ;)

And, yeah, I'll bethe one that takes the flack for unbanning Kishi. Sounds fun.

m4tt
03-12-2005, 06:36 AM
4: I could say the Padres suck if that helps. fuck you!

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 06:41 AM
Hey it's working!

Loony BoB
03-12-2005, 10:09 AM
xD

I added a couple of lines to Leeza's post for the ban-unban bit, so Kishi gets banned twice, causing a more visible power struggle for the general memberbase (we don't have to argue in the open immediately, they'll see him getting banned and unbanned a couple of times and they'll surely know something is wrong).

If it's going to be the old 'art' excuse, it'll have to be posted in Arts & Writing instead of General Chat. I think.

Someone should set us up the usergroups. Fake Banned and Fake Member (both with permissions of a Cid's Knight).

As for the others, RSL should stay on, I don't want him to step down for a second. :p I'd be surprised if Daryl would stay on given everyone knows that she's one of our more hardline admins - but maybe she could stay on staff grudgingly, saying she's making sure that both sides of the matter are looked into, etc. I could see Yams leaving because I've seen him do it at FG. =P He's also quite close to both Unne and Leeza, so it works. If anything, Murd could leave because Yams leaves. This is what I would consider believable. I couldn't see Matt leaving over this, nor Xander.

I would consider these to be the realistic and believable options, the first being more believable than the second.
Option 1: Unne, Leeza, Big D, Daryl
Option 2: Unne, Leeza, Big D, Yams, Del.

crono_logical
03-12-2005, 11:11 AM
Um, we can't have Big D banning Kishi can we? I thought knights couldn't ban other knights?

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-12-2005, 12:00 PM
How are we going to dodge the question when people ask for a description of the image?

Big D
03-12-2005, 12:28 PM
How are we going to dodge the question when people ask for a description of the image?We say something wordy yet vague, for instance:

"It was a highly suggestive image of male homoeroticism, depticing lust and longing between two video game characters. The purpose was clearly not artistic; arousal was the intended goal. Thus, the image was too deeply within the realm of the pornographic, and had to be treated as any other pornographic image would be. The content was simply too explicit, too blatantly erotic to be overlooked as mere humour or commentary."

Something like that could well satisfy people's enquiries without actually telling them anything about what the picture looked like.

Loony BoB
03-12-2005, 12:44 PM
Or simply "Some hentai picture."

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-12-2005, 12:55 PM
"With tentacles."

Loony BoB
03-12-2005, 01:20 PM
I think even I'd have to ban you for that. xD

Hmm. Actually, it could be a pic of a girl with a tentacle up her skirt. No nudity but still well beyond suggestive, so it gives us a better reason to argue. "There was no nudity..."

Of coures, all the people out there would be enraged. Perfect for April Fools. :D

RSL
03-12-2005, 02:19 PM
I'll stay on.

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 06:03 PM
'pm me and I'll show you the picture'

Then just never reply. Or reply with something like 'I can't be arsed to find it right now. I'll get it later.' Or just use BoB's description. I think it would be funnier if we only give them bits and pieces and let them speculate, though. 'It was a picture involving tentacles. That's all I'm going to say', 'It had a young girl in it, and I'm quite sure what she was doing was unbecoming for someone of her age', 'It depicted an act illegal in 43 states', etc.

BoB, I agree that your option 1 would be more believable. The only problem is that 3 of those four members are either currently inactive, or just got back from a long period of inactivity. It doesn't seem like that would have as much of an impact as someone as post happy as myself or Yams stepping down.

With option 2 I could quit because you guys removed Feedback, a forum I love to spam in. Yams would be last and he could name any number of reasons: 'No fun without Del', 'I agree with Unne/Leeza', 'Too much drama', etc.

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 06:11 PM
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=57972

I'm only disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. I don't actually think it's a good idea. We need to start ruffling the feathers a little here.

Leeza
03-12-2005, 06:48 PM
I don't think that we have to say anything about what was on the image. Just 'inappropriate hentai' from the step-down side and something like 'a no nudity hentai image' from the stay-on side. I don't think that we need more details than that.

I have to agree with Del, BoB, about your options. Option 1 has Dr Unne and Daryl who haven't posted much as of late so it wouldn't be as noticable so Option 2 would be the better choice.

Um, we can't have Big D banning Kishi can we? I thought knights couldn't ban other knights?
knights can't ban Knights, but this will just be fake anyways so there really won't be a ban. Just a change in usergroups, right?

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 06:53 PM
Yeah, but what do we say when the question comes up? If we claim D is the one who banned him, then that leaves a hole open in our logic, since he is not able to do so. We need to find a way around this.

Leeza
03-12-2005, 07:02 PM
You're right. I guess an Admin will have to be the one to do the original banning then. Rooogle? cl_out? Dr Unne?

So this leaves Big D without a reason for leaving, other than the ruling being even discussed in the first place because it was 'So obviously porn!'

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 07:19 PM
What about this story:

D is surfing GC (or A&W or whatever) and discovers the image by kishi. He then posts it in the WML and the admin online (let's say Archie for now) bans kishi so that we may discuss the whole thing without him swaying our opinion. Shlup comes in and sees what's going on and unbans kishi immediately, wanting his side of the story. At this point Unne comes back and gets disgusted and bans kishi. Shlup unbans him again and then Unne quits. D obviously sides with Unne and also quits. Then the rest follows.

Or, we can make D an admin for the time being. That way we can also use the corruption of sudden power angle.

Yamaneko
03-12-2005, 07:27 PM
You guys create the drama and I'll quit. I hate drama. It's the reason I quit FG staff twice. :D

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 07:33 PM
Excellent.

Is it ok if I bring eest in on it right now? It sure looks as though it's a done deal he's going to be anyway, and I want to hear his ideas since he's a pretty sharp fellow.

Yamaneko
03-12-2005, 07:34 PM
Wait, are we telling them that they have a knight position yet?

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 07:35 PM
I would not be telling him that part of it.

crono_logical
03-12-2005, 07:43 PM
I don't think I should be the one to supposedly ban a knight, doesn't seem normal, especially if I'm not meant to be getting as involved in this as others :p

Yamaneko
03-12-2005, 07:43 PM
:up: at Del

I think Unne should be the one to ban Kishi because he even said that if anyone, including a staff member posted porn, that he would ban them without thinking twice.

Del Murder
03-12-2005, 07:49 PM
Yes he did, and that scenario is ideal, but if he isn't around by then we'll need a backup plan. I think Unne's mental health is more important than some prank, so I don't want to force him back early. :)

crono_logical
03-12-2005, 11:03 PM
I think even I'd have to ban you for that. xD

Hmm. Actually, it could be a pic of a girl with a tentacle up her skirt. No nudity but still well beyond suggestive, so it gives us a better reason to argue. "There was no nudity..."

Of coures, all the people out there would be enraged. Perfect for April Fools. :Dhttp://cronological.no-ip.com/img/Tickling_Usagi.jpg

Warning, this is probably a suitable borderline image :p

Roogle
03-13-2005, 12:17 AM
Is that one of the youma from the end of Season 1 with tentacles? xD :p :monster:

crono_logical
03-13-2005, 12:38 AM
I don't know, Ray sent it to me last year :p

crono_logical
03-13-2005, 03:15 AM
Maybe add Interfering with Proto's S/N competition to the list of stuff to do? :monster:

I think you guys really need to start getting in roles asap now, since there's only just over 2 weeks left :p

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 04:10 AM
What sn competition?

I move for Archie to longer be able to double post. It's too hypnotizing.

What we need is some stupid item in feedback for us to bicker over. Maybe someone can reopen the EZ board thread or close the one about me editing posts.

Leeza
03-13-2005, 04:14 AM
He doesn't care because he has sigs turned off. :)

Proto's Screen Name Competition. That should be starting soon. How would we interfere with that?

Big D
03-13-2005, 04:17 AM
Proto's Screen Name Competition. That should be starting soon. How would we interfere with that?Perhaps if the official SN competition thread gets spammed up by a couple of rogue staffers who're "having fun", and then a serious staffer comes and closes it?

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 04:20 AM
Oooh, that will really get him peeved. I like it.

Leeza
03-13-2005, 04:35 AM
At this point I don't think that our conflicts in threads should be about the 'fun' staffers versus the 'serious' staffers. To have more or an affect, I think that our conflicts should be the 'keeping Kishi banned' group and the 'unban Kishi' group bickering with each other, but this can't really start until Kishi is banned and I guess we should start this pretty soon because we'll need time for all of this to build up enough for us to step down. Like cl_out says, there's only a couple of weeks left. This bickering in the SN thread could also bring about a close though.

I'm okay with using that picture, but it's hardly even borderline. :)

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 04:41 AM
I still don't think there should ever be an actual picture. kishi is gifted with the words, I'm sure he can come up with an amusing description that would just confuse everyone.

The point of the conflicts is to show that there is tension in staff. It can be between anyone, really. We want to give the impression that the historically strong and united Eyeson staff is crumbling.

RSL
03-13-2005, 04:42 AM
I don't know if we should start the whole banning/unbanning 'Kishi thing a full two weeks ahead of time. Maybe a week. I'm worried that if we keep something like that up for too long, people might get pissed and leave.

Leeza
03-13-2005, 04:47 AM
You think they'll leave? I think they'll probably stick around just to see what's going to happen. Just like at a car/train wreck. :)

You're right, Del. No one is going to ever see the image anyways so one isn't even necessary.

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 04:56 AM
Yeah, I agree with that. Just for the sake of having something:

(proposed) Timetable:
March 20 - kishi posts porn, discovered by Big D, banned by 'Unne'
March 21 - Shlup unbans kishi, 'Unne' rebans, then unbanned again
March 22 - Unne steps down (assuming he is around)
March 22/23 - Big D steps down in disgust
March 23/24 - Leeza steps down under protest of what she holds dear (hell, we can even have Leeza come BACK the next day, and then leave again, just to show some extra drama/craziness)
March 26 - The drama gets to be too much for Yams and he leaves
March 27 - Feedback Forum is removed and Del Murder leaves because you guys suck
March 28 - New mods are added to fill the void
March 29-31 - Dramalicious
April 1 - Everything goes back to normal

That's 8 days from now and makes the event last 12 days total. Too long/short?

Thoughts?

Leeza
03-13-2005, 05:10 AM
Sounds good except that it really doesn't look like Dr Unne will be around for all of this and I'm not sure how he'd take us using him to ban people and even fake de-Admin him and all. Well, there is 8 days before Showdown so maybe he'll be back, but we should maybe have a back-up Admin, like maybe BoB. He did say that he would ban even his grandmother if she posted porn. :)

We also have to be sure that someone will be starting a thread or two in Feedback that would warrant it's closure.

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 05:20 AM
If BoB left then a whole different set of people would leave, in my opinion. We'll need to get his thoughts on this.

Roogle
03-13-2005, 07:09 AM
I'll take the Feedback Forum down if you want. :monocle:

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-13-2005, 07:25 AM
Any preferences as to whether I make the post in a new thread or in the middle of an existing one or in a certain forum or that kind of thing?

Yamaneko
03-13-2005, 07:27 AM
Haha, this is going to be a great Spring Break.

EDIT: Do it in a FF forum, in the middle of a thread. Well, that's what we'll tell people anyway.

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 07:42 AM
On the one hand that will be easiest to handle, but on the other hand we want people to see the edited post and wonder what the hell is going on. GC would be the best place for that. Maybe in the FFVII Forum since more of the popular people like Raist and Doomgaze visit there than any other FF forum.

Loony BoB
03-13-2005, 09:41 AM
New Thread. Because if anyone is subscribed to an existing thread that he posts his picture in and they note that there is no picture, then it'd become a tad obvious.

I think the timetable is a bit long. Twelve days of acting and, for me, being bombarded with questions on AIM and the like, is a bit rough. We only need three days to make people get themselves into a right state. Of course, then it might be too obviously close to 1st of April, so I say 5-8 days should be a bit fairer.

Also, I don't think we need to start bickering in forums now. Once Kishi gets banned/unbanned etc. then we can start the drama. This kind of stuff isn't the kind that builds up, it's the kind that suddenly arises when such an event as porn-posting happens.

m4tt
03-13-2005, 04:32 PM
Just so you know, I won't be here from the 17th through the 22nd. Magen is coming out and we're not gonna be around. :p But that might be good. I cane come back on the 22nd and be like "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE!?"

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 06:21 PM
What's the plan if Unne isn't back in time/doesn't feel like participating (which is fine)?

I also propose that we take this to LiveJournal as well. BoB can make one of those entries that gets 100 replies. Those always seem to be more heated than what goes on in the forums because there are no boundaries.

Leeza
03-13-2005, 06:54 PM
Yes, if this is done too soon to April 1st then it will be too obvious that it's a joke. Even 5-8 days might be cutting it close, but I can see where you would be hit with most of the questions, BoB, so that's good with me. I would like a day by day schedule set up like Del did so that we'll all be on the same page with this.

If BoB left then a whole different set of people would leave, in my opinion. We'll need to get his thoughts on this.
BoB doesn't really even have to leave, but we do need an Admin to do the banning and BoB would be next in line to Dr Unne in banning someone for porn. BoB can still stay on, but even if he did step down, the rest of us can still step down for our same reasons. I don't really see a problem here. It's just that it would have a better impact if Dr Unne or another Admin stepped down as well, but it's not really necessary because the drama will still be there, especially after Del and Yams step down.

I think that Kishi should do his thing in a new thread in GC. It could maybe even be something that we can say that he's drawn himself and attached along with whatever the thread topic would be. He just did that thread on what you call British and Canadians so it could be something similar with regards to...almost anything. It is Kishi, after all, so the thread could be on anything and it would be believable. I don't see what reason he would have for posting such an image in an FF forum though.

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 07:08 PM
I just couldn't see kishi making a new thread with a porn image in it. It would make much more sense as a reply to something some silly newbie says. If we are worried about email notification then it can be a thread that doesn't have many posts, and all of them are from the FF crew (since most of the people who post in the FF boards don't have a clue what goes on outside of them). There are pleny of opportunities for something like that with all the horndog posts those guys make.

If we can come up with a good 'topic' for this GC thread then I'll be on board with it. kishi is 'mysterious', so that allows him to be capable of anything, at least.

So BoB does the ban but gets convinced that kishi should stay, or stays on because he loves this place so much and wants to solve everything in some kind of group cuddle. It works.

Leeza
03-13-2005, 07:25 PM
I actually can't see Kishi posting any porn at all, so that's why I think that it would probably work better if it was an image that he has drawn himself related to the topic of his new thread in some way and Big D sees it and decides that it's porn...not art. Kishi has posted his own pictures before to certain topics and he does it in his LJ so I think it would be believable, and I'm hoping that he can come up with a good topic for this because he's so smart. :)

Yes, BoB stays on because he loves this place so much and wants to solve everything in some kind of group cuddle. :)

Del Murder
03-13-2005, 07:38 PM
When I say porn that's what I mean. Obviously it would be something artsy and not something out of Barely Legal.

Big D
03-13-2005, 09:39 PM
I don't see what reason he would have for posting such an image in an FF forum though.Something about Jenova could explain a 'hentacle' picture in the FFVII forum. Perhaps a deep and interesting treatise on the oedipal nature of Sephiroth's relationship with his 'mother'?

But instead of posting the picture, Kishi could simply post something like

Edit by Big D: Man, what the heck are you doing? You know that posting porn - even cartoon porn - is prohibited. Mods can't ban mods, and I'd be reluctant to ban you, but I don't think the admins are going to have any choice:( Geez.

Shlup
03-13-2005, 10:26 PM
The part we want Unne to play doesn't require that he post anywhere. We can just say he was the one banning Kishi and then move him to the Fake Member usergroup.

Del Murder
03-14-2005, 12:06 AM
Yes. Unne would actually not have to do anything. Hell, Shlup can be the one banning kishi then unbanning him an hour later or something. And kishi can just post the edit, like D says. Just as long as we give the impression that certain people are the ones doing certain things, via our posts. The presentation is all that matters. I just don't think we should be using Unne's account as our puppet without his permission.

Will the Fake Member group show up on the forums leaders page? Shouldn't we all get Former Staff ranks?

crono_logical
03-14-2005, 01:01 AM
Maybe you can step down saying you don't want anything to do with EoFF anymore, so not have the ranks :p Or a mix might be better :p And you can choose which groups appear on the forum leaders page anyway, so it'll just be turned off for the fake groups, I suppose :p

Del Murder
03-14-2005, 01:17 AM
Do you just not use periods at all anymore?

Yamaneko
03-14-2005, 01:34 AM
When I really do step down I don't want a former staff rank, so yeah.

Leeza
03-14-2005, 01:43 AM
I don't either.

Shlup
03-14-2005, 01:45 AM
When people reject the "Former Staff" title I find it personally offensive.

But I'll probably step down before either of you, so no worries.

Yamaneko
03-14-2005, 01:48 AM
How is it offensive? It's not like I'd deny ever being on staff, I just don't want people to know off the bat that I was ever on staff. I'd like to settle into a nice niche of general membership.

Leeza
03-14-2005, 01:48 AM
I wouldn't reject it if I <i>really</i> stepped down because I also feel that is offensive in a way. I just don't want it for the April Fools thing 'cause it'll be easier without one, plus I'll be leaving in a huff so I will be trying to be offensive. :)

RSL
03-14-2005, 01:49 AM
Why? The reason I would reject it (and why I was going to when I tried to quit last month) is that I don't like living in the past. I don't mind former staffers who choose to have the title, but I myself would rather be on staff or be a normal member, not inbetween.

edit: this was in response to ShlupQuack.

Yamaneko
03-14-2005, 01:50 AM
Exactly.

Leeza
03-14-2005, 01:54 AM
By not having a Former Staff title when you leave, it sort of looks like you're trying to distance yourself from ever having had anything to do with the rest of the Staff and EoFF. Like you're dissassociating yourself from it as much as you can. At least that's the way I see it. Of course, I guess I can see your points as well.

Del Murder
03-14-2005, 01:54 AM
I'll take the title, just to be different. I'd take it if I really left, just so I could win the 'Best Former Staff' Ciddie.

Shlup
03-14-2005, 01:54 AM
Because it tells me you don't love me anymore. After my darling Marky Mark (read: Bleys) left me, I didn't know if I could go on... I don't know if I can take that kind of rejection again! *sob*

RSL
03-14-2005, 01:57 AM
<b>***CENSORED***</b>

Yamaneko
03-14-2005, 01:59 AM
lol, yeah. I didn't want to say it, but it's true.

Taking the title is not different. More former staff actually have the title than don't.

Del Murder
03-14-2005, 02:00 AM
I mean different in regards to april fools.

Shlup
03-14-2005, 02:01 AM
Well I guess we officially won't be moving this thread out of the staff forum after the joke is over. xD

Yamaneko
03-14-2005, 02:01 AM
We can just delete these posts and make them visible only to us. :D

Leeza
03-14-2005, 02:04 AM
I really wouldn't want this thread out in GC anyways. Maybe just the first post by BoB, but that's about it.

RSL
03-14-2005, 02:07 AM
Perhaps post a summary. If they read how things go in this forum they would likely find us to be insane.

crono_logical
03-14-2005, 12:22 PM
Or duplicate this thread and delete everything not relevant :p

Loony BoB
03-14-2005, 01:37 PM
Well, for the first few days we just have to sit there and smile and pretend nothing happened at all. I want them to slowly, one by one, realise that we pulled this one right over their heads, not for us to shout out "April Fools!" and then let them start picking us apart or anything. :p

Loony BoB
03-14-2005, 11:19 PM
Oh, and as for the me taking over Unne, it depends on how I feel at the time. I'm having some of those lovely internal battles with myself lately (everyone's favourite game! Ready... FIGHT! I'm hoping for a flawless victory by either side but I'm starting to doubt it'll happen) and sometimes I wouldn't mind taking a week off and this would give me a good excuse. Of course the internal thingy might be sorted by then in which case I don't know if I could resist EoFF for so long.

Big D
03-14-2005, 11:25 PM
I've just posted in Joel's LJ, saying how I'm annoyed at the biased, unprofessional behaviour some staffers are showing lately. I've vowed to try to sort things out. This could be interesting...

Shlup
03-14-2005, 11:35 PM
What's the entry say? I took him off my friends list a few weeks ago because reading all his petty complaints got to me.

RSL
03-15-2005, 12:45 AM
***CENSORED***

***CENSORED***

***CENSORED***


I agree that some of EoFF's staff are being unprofessional, maybe even biased lately. Frankly I'm concerned, so I'm going to do what's possible to settle things down. There's really no excuse for silliness and spam when you're in charge of moderating an MB and enforcing its rules.

***CENSORED***

Shlup
03-15-2005, 01:19 AM
Dammit, D, now I want to kick your ass in that entry. ***CENSORED***

Roogle
03-15-2005, 02:22 AM
***CENSORED*** I'm sorry.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
03-15-2005, 02:25 AM
His wounds they will not heal.

Del Murder
03-15-2005, 02:37 AM
***CENSORED***

Instead of posting this thread somewhere else I think we should make a new thread that says April Fools! and we can all explain our roles and discuss it. That can occur on April 3 or something. We want some time to pass after it all goes back to normal for people to say 'wtf' and what have you.

Big D
03-15-2005, 05:06 AM
Dammit, D, now I want to kick your ass in that entry.***CENSORED***I did it entirely to create some context for the little drama we're cooking up.

I don't actually believe most of what I posted.
:p

Shlup
03-15-2005, 06:31 AM
***CENSORED***
***CENSORED***

Del Murder
03-15-2005, 07:04 AM
***CENSORED***

Shlup
03-15-2005, 07:42 AM
***CENSORED***

Anyway! All the plans sound good so far.

RSL
03-15-2005, 01:22 PM
***CENSORED***

***CENSORED***

Yeah.

***CENSORED*** It's time to start talking about someone else, like <b>***CENSORED***</b>

Loony BoB
03-15-2005, 02:18 PM
Let's not talk about anyone who complains. I'm sick of all this talking about people who complain. Don't you guys have anything better to do than comlpain?

crono_logical
03-15-2005, 03:48 PM
They're creating the atmosphere :p

Yamaneko
03-15-2005, 07:48 PM
Let's talk about how awesome I am then. :cool:

RSL
03-16-2005, 12:20 AM
I agree with Yams.

Del Murder
03-16-2005, 02:26 AM
I'm sick of talking about that.

Big D
03-16-2005, 04:39 AM
Let's complain about how awesome Yams is.

Del Murder
03-16-2005, 06:39 AM
Yeah he sucks.

We need a proposed 8 day timetable. Maybe I'll work on that tomorrow.

m4tt
03-16-2005, 04:40 PM
Danny is a killjoy. :(

Loony BoB
03-16-2005, 07:46 PM
So much for irony.

m4tt
03-16-2005, 08:00 PM
:D?

Del Murder
03-17-2005, 03:29 AM
(proposed) 8 day timetable:

March 24 (North America) - kishi posts porn, Big D 'edits' the post and kishi is banned by 'Unne'
March 25 - kishi is reinstated and banned again and reinstated again, 'Unne' steps down because he has had enough, this hopefully generates instant feedback (announcements can be used to draw attention to it)
March 26-27 - Big D quits out of disgust, Leeza follows soon after, Feedback starts to get out of hand
March 28 - BoB makes an LJ entry asking for a staff cuddle which of course gets out of hand and generates mass drama, Yams can't take the heat and leaves
March 29 - Feedback Forum is removed causing Del Murder to quit this nazi regime
March 30 - New mods added
March 31 - Everything comes to a head (Maybe in GC or Help Forum)
April 1 - Everything goes back to normal with no explanation
April 2 or 3 - APRIL FOOLS EVERYBODY!!! :) :tongue:

Please tell me what you think.

Other things we still need to decide (my suggestions in parentheses):

1. What forum should kishi post in? New thread? (FFVII, no new thread, to avoid the email notification problem he can just post a broken link, then edit it to what Big D posted above)

2. Should we manipulate Unne's account to make it look like he stepped down? (yes, I think at least one admin needs to quit, he wouldn't have to actually say anything)

3.Who are the new mods? (see New Knights thread)

4. Post this thread in GC minus a few posts, or just make a new one explaning the joke? (new one)

5. Former Staff ranks? Unne - no, Yams - no, Del - yes, Leeza - ?, Big D - ?

Big D
03-17-2005, 06:41 AM
(proposed) 8 day timetable:

March 24 (North America) - kishi posts porn, Big D 'edits' the post and kishi is banned by 'Unne'
March 25 - kishi is reinstated and banned again and reinstated again, 'Unne' steps down because he has had enough, this hopefully generates instant feedback (announcements can be used to draw attention to it)
March 26-27 - Big D quits out of disgust, Leeza follows soon after, Feedback starts to get out of hand
March 28 - BoB makes an LJ entry asking for a staff cuddle which of course gets out of hand and generates mass drama, Yams can't take the heat and leaves
March 29 - Feedback Forum is removed causing Del Murder to quit this nazi regime
March 30 - New mods added
March 31 - Everything comes to a head (Maybe in GC or Help Forum)
April 1 - Everything goes back to normal with no explanation
April 2 or 3 - APRIL FOOLS EVERYBODY!!! :) :tongue:

Please tell me what you think.I think it's absolutely perfect. Till then, I'm going to work on building the tension over "unprofessional staffing". It'd be a good opportunity for the pro-Kishi faction to stir things up by goofing off more than we usually do.


Other things we still need to decide (my suggestions in parentheses):

1. What forum should kishi post in? New thread? (FFVII, no new thread, to avoid the email notification problem he can just post a broken link, then edit it to what Big D posted above)A new thread in FFVII should suffice; that way, we don't interfere with a pre-existing thread and it avoids any issues of email notification making other suspicious. FFVII has so much potential for dodgy, ban-worthy stuff; I'm sure Kishi can come up with a suitable excuse for an unsuitable image. If all else fails, there's my old idea of starting a thread about the 'hidden aspect' of the Jenova/Sephiroth relationship. God, I'm such a nerd sometimes...


2. Should we manipulate Unne's account to make it look like he stepped down? (yes, I think at least one admin needs to quit, he wouldn't have to actually say anything)Definitely. He said he doesn't mind, and he'd be more likely than anyone else to quit over something like this. However, another admin will have to log in his account, just so the "last online" date coincides with what we're scheming.


3.Who are the new mods? (see New Knights thread)?


4. Post this thread in GC minus a few posts, or just make a new one explaning the joke? (new one)Perhaps both? An announcement explaining it all, plus a censored version of this thread a little later.


5. Former Staff ranks? Unne - no, Yams - no, Del - yes, Leeza - ?, Big D - ?Big D - yes please.
:thumb:

Leeza
03-17-2005, 07:33 AM
However, another admin will have to log in his account, just so the "last online" date coincides with what we're scheming.
I don't think he said anything about "logging in" to his account.

<b>***CENSORED***</B>

That plan sounds good, Del. No, I don't want a Former Staff rank.

Shlup
03-17-2005, 07:49 AM
1. What forum should kishi post in? New thread? (FFVII, no new thread, to avoid the email notification problem he can just post a broken link, then edit it to what Big D posted above)
To best avoid an issue with email notification, the broken link should either be to a non-existant .jpg on EoFF or on whatever thing Kishi normally uploads images to. That way when the person goes to look at it and finds it broken, we can say Kishi removed the file itself.

As for what forum, Kishi can decide that and just let D know so he can edit it.


2. Should we manipulate Unne's account to make it look like he stepped down? (yes, I think at least one admin needs to quit, he wouldn't have to actually say anything)
Yup.

3.Who are the new mods? (see New Knights thread)
***CENSORED***

4. Post this thread in GC minus a few posts, or just make a new one explaning the joke? (new one)
I say a new one explaining, and we can all quote posts from this thread as we please. Other than, you know, taking someone else's post about how Proto is annoying or Joel is a gay and quoting them or something....

As for actually logging into Unne's account for any reason, I don't think that's necessary. We don't need to cover our asses that much. I think it'd be amusing if someone found stupid little holes in our game like that.

Del Murder
03-18-2005, 03:02 AM
Unne was on the currently active list yesterday. I think he mentioned something about continuing to lurk in this (staff) forum, so there shouln't be a problem there.

When I left I was going to start leaking false info about what goes on in here. Like

'You should see what she says about you guys in the Staff Forum. I think the words "pathetic loner" has been used more than once.'

'I didn't participate in the "bash Bleys thread" (though it wasn't titled that, obviously), but rest assured it made me a little uncomfortable to read such things.'

'Doomgaze's name was thrown around to replace the defectors, but Loony BoB had some pretty interesting things to say about that guy. I'm not sure he should even be posting here after that, but it isn't my decision anymore.'

Loony BoB
03-18-2005, 01:11 PM
Saying I slag off Doomgaze would be a bit suspicious given we're actually pretty good friends and chat all the time. ***CENSORED***

1. What forum should kishi post in? New thread? (FFVII, no new thread, to avoid the email notification problem he can just post a broken link, then edit it to what Big D posted above)
New thread, I'd say. Otherwise I agree with everything. Post it in the Arts & Writing forum or in a gaming forum.

2. Should we manipulate Unne's account to make it look like he stepped down? (yes, I think at least one admin needs to quit, he wouldn't have to actually say anything)
No need to manipulate it, just to make him step down into a specially made account. We also need to make sure that he doesn't go around changing names or something. He doesn't have to be involved in the joke but it would be kind of screwy if he didn't at least play along in the most minimal of ways. All he'd need to do is say something (honest!) like "You may notice I don't have an Administrator title anymore, PM Loony BoB and he'll change your name for you."

Post this thread in GC minus a few posts, or just make a new one explaning the joke? (new one)
When it's April Fools, it'd be best for everyone to just say "I don't know what you're talking about. :)" and I agree with Big D that when we do finally reveal it all as a joke (by which time it'll be obvious anyway), we can make a copy of this thread and then add ***CENSORED*** over any paragraph/etc. that is offensive in any way. I think that'd be the most fun. :D

Roogle
03-18-2005, 01:33 PM
Can I still get rid of the Feedback Forum for a day or two after things start going down? :love:

Loony BoB
03-18-2005, 01:37 PM
(proposed) 8 day timetable:

March 24 (North America) - kishi posts porn, Big D 'edits' the post and kishi is banned by 'Unne'
March 25 - kishi is reinstated and banned again and reinstated again, 'Unne' steps down because he has had enough, this hopefully generates instant feedback (announcements can be used to draw attention to it)
March 26-27 - Big D quits out of disgust, Leeza follows soon after, Feedback starts to get out of hand
March 28 - BoB makes an LJ entry asking for a staff cuddle which of course gets out of hand and generates mass drama, Yams can't take the heat and leaves
March 29 - Feedback Forum is removed causing Del Murder to quit this nazi regime
March 30 - New mods added
March 31 - Everything comes to a head (Maybe in GC or Help Forum)
April 1 - Everything goes back to normal with no explanation
April 2 or 3 - APRIL FOOLS EVERYBODY!!! :) :tongue:

Please tell me what you think.
Read the thread, Roogle! GOD, YOU PEOPLE. FRUSTRATING. ARGH. [controversial statement regarding competency levels of fellow staff members]. [discouraging sarcastic remark]. [rolleyes smiley]

Leeza
03-18-2005, 04:56 PM
Turns out that I'll have to be away from home from about noon of the 25th to the 28th to NoComputerLand...unless I find a Net Cafe or a library or something...if I have time, so it would be great if all of this could be moved up just one day if possible. That way I could step down on the 24th or even on the morning of the 25th and then I'll be gone anyway so it would all fit in with me having to be away from the computer. I'm going to miss most of the fun though. :(

If it can't be moved up a day, then you can just put me into the No Title usergroup on the 25th or 26th and mention somewhere that I've stepped down in disgust, or something.

Roogle
03-18-2005, 04:58 PM
(proposed) 8 day timetable:

March 24 (North America) - kishi posts porn, Big D 'edits' the post and kishi is banned by 'Unne'
March 25 - kishi is reinstated and banned again and reinstated again, 'Unne' steps down because he has had enough, this hopefully generates instant feedback (announcements can be used to draw attention to it)
March 26-27 - Big D quits out of disgust, Leeza follows soon after, Feedback starts to get out of hand
March 28 - BoB makes an LJ entry asking for a staff cuddle which of course gets out of hand and generates mass drama, Yams can't take the heat and leaves
March 29 - Feedback Forum is removed causing Del Murder to quit this nazi regime
March 30 - New mods added
March 31 - Everything comes to a head (Maybe in GC or Help Forum)
April 1 - Everything goes back to normal with no explanation
April 2 or 3 - APRIL FOOLS EVERYBODY!!! :) :tongue:

Please tell me what you think.
Read the thread, Roogle! GOD, YOU PEOPLE. FRUSTRATING. ARGH. [controversial statement regarding competency levels of fellow staff members]. [discouraging sarcastic remark]. [rolleyes smiley]

It doesn't say who does it... :mad:

Leeza
03-18-2005, 05:01 PM
I got what you meant the first time, Roogle and you're right. I don't think that it says anywhere in this thread as to who actually takes down Feedback. :)

Loony BoB
03-18-2005, 06:33 PM
Oh! Yeah, sure you can do it.

Big D
03-19-2005, 04:04 AM
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?p=1034286#post1034286

This might help to stir things up a little.