RAW and SmackDown!

[MoonZapdos]

Hi, welcome to my first topic! This topic is related to wrestling, more precisely, RAW and SmackDown!. If anyone watches any of this shows come here and chat about'em ^o^

[Del Murder]

I watch Raw sometimes. It has a lot more of my favorite people, like HBK, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Benoit. I wish HHH would stop getting the belt. Do something else for a change!

[Rainecloud]

I haven't missed any WWF/WWE shows since '98, so I guess you could say I'm a rather big fan of the sport.

Oh, and Kurt Angle does not suck.

[MoonZapdos]

I watch Raw sometimes. It has a lot more of my favorite people, like HBK, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Benoit. I wish HHH would stop getting the belt. Do something else for a change!
Actually, it did. Batista is now the new World Heavyweight Champion :D

[Del Murder]

Yes, but who is the number one contender? Wake me when it's over.

[MoonZapdos]

I didn't get that one. Just one thing... HHH s*cks. :mad:

[Rainecloud]

Many people are frustrated with HHH's monster-push. However, he does bring in satisfactory ratings, and I wouldn't say his constant presence has a detrimental effect on the overall quality of the show. I like HHH. He's a good character, and his wrestling ability is second-to-none. But, you're right, it can be a little too much sometimes, and it's always good to give someone else "the ball" to run with from time to time.

The bottom line is, I enjoy watching wrestling. I enjoy watching good matches involving superstars who can actually work the crowd and ... believe it or not - wrestle! The WWE might not always stage world-class matches and scenarios, but the action side of the product has definitely improved over the last few years.

To add a little more to this thread, why not list your top 10 favourite matches (if you have that many). Here's mine (in no particular order):

1) Kurt Angle Vs Chris Benoit, WWE Championship - Royal Rumble 2003.
2) Stone Cold Steve Austin Vs The Rock, WWE Championship - Wrestlemania XVII.
3) Kurt Angle Vs Chris Benoit - Unforgiven 2002.
4) Shawn Michaels Vs The Undertaker, Hell In The Cell - Badd Blood 1997.
5) Kurt Angle Vs Edge - Backlash 2002.
6) Kurt Angle Vs Edge - Judgment Day 2002.
7) Shawn Michaels Vs Chris Jericho - Wrestlemania XIX.
8) Shawn Michaels Vs Chris Benoit Vs HHH - Wrestlemania XX.
9) Randy Orton Vs Chris Benoit - Summerslam 2004.
10) Randy Orton Vs Edge - Vengeance 2004.

There you go. :)


Undertaker vs. Undertaker

My God, that was dire! Seriously. That match made 12 minutes seem like 30! xD

[MoonZapdos]

Undertaker Vs. Undertaker? :confused:

I can't remember my top10 matches but i really loved the way Undertaker reversed Randy Orton's tombstone at Wrestlemania 21 to win. NOTE: Undertaker RULES!!!

[Rainecloud]

Undertaker Vs. Undertaker? :confused:

The match in question took place at Summerslam 1994. The original Undertaker disappeared, and Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase claimed he had found him. This fake 'Taker (or "The Underfaker", as I affectionately called him) began to work for Dibiase's evil corporation, and accepted bribes from Uncle Teddy.

Eventually, the real Undertaker returned, and beat the crap out of the 'Faker in the aforementioned Summerslam stinker.

Any other questions? ;)

[MoonZapdos]

You really KNOW a lot o.O

Just a doubt. I have two Wrestling games:
WWF Road to Wrestlemania
WWE Survivor Series

If JBL already existed in WWF Road to Wrestlemania why doesn't it appear in Survivor Series? :confused:

[Rainecloud]

You really KNOW a lot o.O

Just a doubt. I have two Wrestling games:
WWF Road to Wrestlemania
WWE Survivor Series

If JBL already existed in WWF Road to Wrestlemania why doesn't it appear in Survivor Series? :confused:

Because he's a useless jobber who needs to try salad once in a while?

Yeah, that'll do.

[MoonZapdos]

LOL you're right but he almost beat John Cena up at Wrestlemania 21.

[Del Murder]

My favorite match is Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect for the Intercontinental title. Also, Bret vs. British Bulldog for that same title, about a year later.

[MoonZapdos]

Does anyone have The Rock's theme song?

[Rainecloud]

Does anyone have The Rock's theme song?

Possibly.

[KuRt]

I haven´t missed any RAW or SMACKDOWN! or any PPV since No Mercy last year.

Randy Orton r000lz

[Del Murder]

I like Orton too. Probably my favorite of the up and coming guys. Not a big fan of Cena. On Smackdown! I like Angle, Mysterio, Booker T, RVD, and Eddie Guerrero. Rey Mysterio is probably the most entertaining wrester I've ever seen. He does such amazing things in the ring. I miss Angle's dorky days.

The Hitman is my favorite ever, though.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I'm not the avid wrestling fan I use to be, but I remember when Bob Backlund lost some title to Bret Hart and then went beserk and put the chicken wing on Hart. Hart tried to shake his hand after a great match with Backlund, but to no avail. Maybe during the 1992 year, the year Backlund started "running" for President.

[Rainecloud]

I'm not the avid wrestling fan I use to be, but I remember when Bob Backlund lost some title to Bret Hart and then went beserk and put the chicken wing on Hart. Hart tried to shake his hand after a great match with Backlund, but to no avail. Maybe during the 1992 year, the year Backlund started "running" for President.

I remember it well. Backlund was simply terrible. xD

[Llanowar]

In all honesty I have not been able to watch many episodes lately, however I have one person whom i really enjoyed when he appeared and he was ALMOST as entertaining to watch as Rey. Zach Gowen. The whole one legged man thing was great to play off of and he was actually not terrible as a wrestler. (sure he couldn't pull off certain things, but hey the guy can ALWAYS pull crowd support) i really loved how he showed up the first time from the crowd and slowly got worked in as a wrestler. Great story and I wish they had kept it going.

[KuRt]

Yeah, mysterio does not have so much brute strenght to throw your enemies around but still he uses his endurance and agility and is really entertaining.

For some reason, I just remembered a punishing match:

Undertaker vs Mankind in hell in a cell
WOW

[Rainecloud]

Yeah, mysterio does not have so much brute strenght to throw your enemies around but still he uses his endurance and agility and is really entertaining.

Mysterio can work with anyone on the roster, and that's what makes him stand out from all the other Cruiserweights. If you put Rey in a match with useless tubs of lard like the Big Show and Viscera, you'd still get an entertaining contest. The only other person on the roster who is capable of making their opponents look ten times better than they actually are is - of course - Kurt Angle.


For some reason, I just remembered a punishing match:

Undertaker vs Mankind in hell in a cell
WOW

Quite right - King of the Ring 1998. It's still the most famous Hell in the Hell match in WWE history. Truth be told, it wasn't even a great "match", but it was one hell of an incredible stunt show.

[MoonZapdos]

Does anyone have The Rock's theme song?

Possibly.
NOW HOW THE FREAKIN' HELL DID YOU GET ALL THAT THEMES!? :eek:

[Del Murder]

It doesn't matter how he gets all those themes!

[Raistlin]

I haven't regularly watched wrestling since the WCW era.

I still like Benoit, though.

[Meat Puppet]

My favourite one was when Hulk Hogan came in when two other wrestlers were blithering on about something. He beat them both. Then, one of them hit him on the back with a chair, but he just turned around and beat them both again.

He's a real man. They just don't make real men like they used to.

[Rainecloud]

Does anyone have The Rock's theme song?

Possibly.
NOW HOW THE FREAKIN' HELL DID YOU GET ALL THAT THEMES!? :eek:

By being extremely sad and obsessed.

It's not something I'd recommend.

[Amarant Odinson]

I've always been a wrestling fan for the last 20 years. I always watch Raw and Smackdown and havn't missed a PPV in the last 3 years. My favourite guys who are wrestling right now are Christ Benoit, Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio, Christian and A.J. Styles from TNA/NWA.

I also have to agree with most of the people who have already posted their displeasure about the HHH show and his never ending quest to beat Ric Flair's record. While HHH is a talented wrestler, he needs to let other people have a shot at the belt. He's married to the boss's daughter so it's not like he has to worry about losing his spot to anyone. But what do you expect from a guy who had to job to the Ultimate Warrior in 90 seconds at his first Wrestlemania apperance. You can't blame him for being cautious now can you. My friends and I always compare him and the belt to Gollum and the Ring"

As for my top 10 matches of all time? Some of them have already been mentioned but I'll list them anyway.

10. Wrestlemaina XVIII: - The Rock vs Hollywood Hulk Hogan This match is on this list because I was actually there for it. I was in the Skydome along with 68,000 other people going insane for this match. I'm not a big fan of either man. From a purely technical standpoint, this match sucks. You can't have a good match for 30 minutes with two guys who only know 9 moves collectively. But the heat going into this match was incredible, the atmosphere in the Skydome was nuts and watching these two gaints of the industry was truly a sight to behold.

9. Wrestlemania 3: I.C. Title Match - Randy "Macho Man" Savage(c) vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat I can't remember how many 2 1/2 counts they had in this match, but this match definatly stole the show that night.

8. Summerslam '92: I.C.Title Match - Bret "The Hitman" Hart(c) vs "The British Bulldog" Davy Boy Smith. The crowd at Wembly Stadium went absolutle nuts when the hometown boy won this match. And like the last match, no flashy finishes either. Just a small package was all it took after this battle.

7. Summerslam '91: I.C. Title Match - Mr. Perfect(c) vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart This was the match that elevated Bret Hart as a singles wrestler. He goes out there and puts on a killer match. Kudos to Mr. Perfect as well since his back was in really bad shape at the time of this match.

6. April 2, 1989 - NWA Clash of the Champions #6: World Heavyweight Title Match: Best 2 out of 3 falls - Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat(c) vs The Nature Boy" Ric Flair If you want to see NWA/WCW or either one of these men at their best, then watch this match. They went for almost 45 minutes and put on a wrestling clinic that left you on the edge of your seat the entire time.

5. Royal Rumble '92: Royal Rumble match. The winner becomes WWF champion - Winner: Ric Flair If anyone has any doubt about how good Ric Flair was back during his prime? Check this match out and watch Rick Flair carry 29 other guys to becoming the WWF champ. He came in at number 3, lasted 59 minutes and 26 seconds (a record at the time) and the crowd at Albany that night went nuts. An effort like that wouldn't be matched for another 12 years when Benoit went in at #1 lasted 61 minutes and 35 seconds and became the only man since HBK to go the distance and win the Rumble.

4. Halloween Havoc '97: Title vs Mask match for the WCW Cruiserweight title -Eddie Guerrero(c) vs Rey Mysterio Jr. This was done during the hayday of WCW's cruiserweight division. With guys like Mysterio, Guerrero, Ultimo Dragon, Jericho, Dean Malenko, Juventud Guerrera and many others, this was the reason why I watched WCW. Mysterio and Guerrero put on 15 minutes of the fast paced action that I had never seen before. This was the match that introduced me to the true Mexican Lucha Libre style.

3. Wrestlmania XIII: I Quit match - Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart This was the match that turned Stone Cold from superstar to megastar. The match itself was great. The double turn was done to perfection and that image of Austin covered in blood, screaming in pain but never giving up would sell more t-shirts than Austin 3:16 could ever hope for. Although Austin's first title reign wouldn't come for another year, this match was part of the reason why everyone wanted it to happen.

2. Wrestlemania XX: Triple Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Title - HHH(c) vs HBK vs "The Rabid Wolverine" Christ Benoit Best Wrestlemania match of all time. It had some great spots throughout such as HHH grabing HBK's hand so that he couldn't tap out to Benoit, HHH and HBK teaming up to throw Benoit through the table, HBK's moonsault from the top rope to the outside onto HHH and Benoit and finally HHH tapping to Benoit's Crippler Crossface. Benoit deserved this match and the title that day and I hope he gets another chance to wear the gold again soon.

1. Royal Rumble 2003: WWE Title Match - Kurt Angle(c) vs "The Canadian Crippler" Chris Benoit: This is the best match in the history of professional wrestling. Period. It was just two guys who could wrestle, giving it their all for 25 minutes. These two showed why they are two of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time. And while some submission matches may be boring, this one was anything but. And the best part about it was that their was no interference. Benoit may have lost the match but the people at the Fleet Center in Boston didn't care and gave the man a standing ovation. One that both men rightly deserved.

I have a few other favourites but those are my top 10.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: I watch it from time to time, for fun. Back in the day, though, I was a huge fan of both Bret and Owen. It's a shame that Owen died after the cable that was supposed to take him down like a superhero snapped, and he hit his head on the turnbuckle.

Rubedo: And Kurt Angle is awesome! :love:

[PoIsOnCoNcEpTiOn]

HHH is the best and he'll kill batista at backlash.


chaos: I watch it from time to time, for fun. Back in the day, though, I was a huge fan of both Bret and Owen. It's a shame that Owen died after the cable that was supposed to take him down like a superhero snapped, and he hit his head on the turnbuckle.

Rubedo: And Kurt Angle is awesome! :love:

angle sucks

<b>EDIT: Please use the warn button instead of double posting. -Murder</b>

[Amarant Odinson]

chaos: I watch it from time to time, for fun. Back in the day, though, I was a huge fan of both Bret and Owen. It's a shame that Owen died after the cable that was supposed to take him down like a superhero snapped, and he hit his head on the turnbuckle.

Rubedo: And Kurt Angle is awesome! :love:

angle sucks


Care to tell us why you think Kurt Angle sucks? Or why you think HHH is the best?

[MoonZapdos]

Yeah, what he says. :mad:

Oh, and to Rainecloud, since you're a site staff, close this topic. This topic is changing name. Check http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60483.

[Rainecloud]

Yeah, what he says. :mad:

Oh, and to Rainecloud, since you're a site staff, close this topic. This topic is changing name. Check http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60483.

That's quite possibly the funniest thing I've read all week. :p

[Spammerman]

[quote=KuRt]For some reason, I just remembered a punishing match:

Undertaker vs Mankind in hell in a cell
WOW

Quite right - King of the Ring 1998. It's still the most famous Hell in the Hell match in WWE history. Truth be told, it wasn't even a great "match", but it was one hell of an incredible stunt show.
ummm, i thought it was hell in the cell, not hell in the hell

[MoonZapdos]

Well... Maybe I'm NOT going tae change the topic name...

[Old Manus]

My analysis is it's just half naked men in pants pretending to fight each other. I just find the bad acting amusing and cringe.

[Pouring Rain]

Um, I believe I'm the only girl here that watchs Smackdown AND Raw. I think Kurt Angle sucks. Batista is hott. The Rock rocks. "Can you smell what the Rock is cookin'?" I liked it when Stephenie was the GM. She rocked too. The Undertaker is and always will be my favorite wrestler. Triple H needs to die. Lita and Kane rock. Trish, I feel sorry for Trish after what happened to her on Raw on Monday. Too sad. Its really sick to see Kane and Lita kiss. I have been watching Smackdown since '98. I think I shouldn't be saying anymore before you start thinking I'm weird.

[MoonZapdos]

Um, I believe I'm the only girl here that watchs Smackdown AND Raw. I think Kurt Angle sucks. Batista is hott. The Rock rocks. "Can you smell what the Rock is cookin'?" I liked it when Stephenie was the GM. She rocked too. The Undertaker is and always will be my favorite wrestler. Triple H needs to die. Lita and Kane rock. Trish, I feel sorry for Trish after what happened to her on Raw on Monday. Too sad. Its really sick to see Kane and Lita kiss. I have been watching Smackdown since '98. I think I shouldn't be saying anymore before you start thinking I'm weird.
Ya know what, 'Taker's my favourite too. Look at my profile picture.

[Pouring Rain]

it rocks. unda rocks. kane rocks. they rock. its a good thing they are family.

[Amarant Odinson]

Um, I believe I'm the only girl here that watchs Smackdown AND Raw. I think Kurt Angle sucks. Batista is hott. The Rock rocks. "Can you smell what the Rock is cookin'?" I liked it when Stephenie was the GM. She rocked too. The Undertaker is and always will be my favorite wrestler. Triple H needs to die. Lita and Kane rock. Trish, I feel sorry for Trish after what happened to her on Raw on Monday. Too sad. Its really sick to see Kane and Lita kiss. I have been watching Smackdown since '98. I think I shouldn't be saying anymore before you start thinking I'm weird.

I couldn't stand when Stephenie was GM. The less Vince and his family are on T.V., the better. Teddy Long is doing a great job as GM, but I miss Paul Heymen.

[Del Murder]

I think Bischoff rules. He's the perfect person for that type of role.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I couldn't stand when Stephenie was GM. The less Vince and his family are on T.V., the better. Teddy Long is doing a great job as GM, but I miss Paul Heymen.

I think Teddy Long is too over the top sometimes with that walk of his. But I just wish Vince would give him a better cast, I mean HBK, Hogan(though not as much), Stone Cold(even though he had one guest appearance), and such are always on RAW. But Brock Lesnar, IMO, was a very enjoyable champion. He was probably the biggest ratings draw on SD! before he left.

But any McMahon as a GM sucks, except for Vince. Linda is too boring, Stephanie is too cheesy, and Shane can't even bust a grape in a fruit fight.

[Amarant Odinson]

Well they did announce another draft in about a month, so it ahould be interesting to see who goes where and how it will pan out. While the draft was a ratings success last year, they've only been able to make one star of all of the guys traded and that was Shelton Benjeman.

If they make some stars out of the guys they trade back and forth this time or at least trade some bigger names such as Jericho, Angle, HBK or Edge, then it would be better for both shows.

[MoonZapdos]

Edge rocks! Jericho's good too. :cool:

[Dingo Jellybean]

Well they did announce another draft in about a month, so it ahould be interesting to see who goes where and how it will pan out. While the draft was a ratings success last year, they've only been able to make one star of all of the guys traded and that was Shelton Benjeman.

If they make some stars out of the guys they trade back and forth this time or at least trade some bigger names such as Jericho, Angle, HBK or Edge, then it would be better for both shows.

I thought Orton would go to SD!, but then he went back to RAW and reinjured his shoulder against Batista and is now out for at least the summer.

But it would've been nice to see Brock vs. Batista, those 2 are like...the same size and such, but I think Brock is a bit stronger while Batista is a bit quicker. They listed Brock as 6'3" 295 lbs. but Batista as 6'5" and 317 lbs. No way Batista is 20 lbs. heavier than Brock, because he's barely bigger than HHH and HHH is like 260 lbs. But eh. The Goldberg vs. Brock match turned out to be a dud.

[Rainecloud]

I thought Orton would go to SD!, but then he went back to RAW and reinjured his shoulder against Batista and is now out for at least the summer.

Actually, Randy Orton injured his shoulder about three weeks before Wrestlemania. The claims that Batista injured his shoulder are purely for storyline purposes (and it'll give Orton something to do once he returns in about six months). Heh - Batista totally destroyed Orton on Raw. 'Twas great.


But it would've been nice to see Brock vs. Batista, those 2 are like...the same size and such, but I think Brock is a bit stronger while Batista is a bit quicker.

I think Lesnar would definitely have the edge in terms of speed, but Batista would be the stronger of the two. I'd also like to see that match, as I'm a big mark for massive power moves (overhead belly to belly suplexes, military presses, etc), but, unfortunately, the match will probably never happen.


They listed Brock as 6'3" 295 lbs. but Batista as 6'5" and 317 lbs. No way Batista is 20 lbs. heavier than Brock, because he's barely bigger than HHH and HHH is like 260 lbs. But eh. The Goldberg vs. Brock match turned out to be a dud.

Batista is probably around 6'3", whereas HHH is probably around 6'2". I don't doubt his weight for a second, though. Take one look at those pectorial muscles, those huge arms and that massive chest, and you can see where the 315-317 lbs are. Although HHH is a big guy, he's got nothing on Batista when it comes to muscle mass.

Back in 2002 - after his quadriceps tear - HHH rehabbed like crazy and came back looking like a radioactive triceratops, and he weighed approximately 275lbs for most of the year. Unfortunately for Tripper (who is a big bodybuilding enthusiast), his muscle mass started to disintigrate after various injuries during 2003. Thankfully, he decided not to try and gain this mass back, and, as a result, his performances have improved considerably over 2004-2005, and his injuries have been few and far between.

[Jewels]

Um, I believe I'm the only girl here that watchs Smackdown AND Raw. I think Kurt Angle sucks. Batista is hott. The Rock rocks. "Can you smell what the Rock is cookin'?" I liked it when Stephenie was the GM. She rocked too. The Undertaker is and always will be my favorite wrestler. Triple H needs to die. Lita and Kane rock. Trish, I feel sorry for Trish after what happened to her on Raw on Monday. Too sad. Its really sick to see Kane and Lita kiss. I have been watching Smackdown since '98. I think I shouldn't be saying anymore before you start thinking I'm weird.


I don't think you are the only girl here, heh. I've watched wrestling since I was like 7, I think. Back in the days when there was the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan and with Shawn Michaels in the Rockers. I really liked it back then. I still try to watch Raw and Smackdown when I can.

[black orb]

>>> I like RAW and more than Smack Down, because they have The Hurricane! :D

[Spammerman]

Taker sends his oppoonents to an early grave wit the tombstone.

Kane makes his opponents gasp for air wit a chokeslam.

Rey Mysterio will send his opponents on a 1-way trip to the area code 619

John Cena curses out his opponents wit the f-u

Lita is just hot. :love:

[Rainecloud]

Taker sends his oppoonents to an early grave wit the tombstone.

Kane makes his opponents gasp for air wit a chokeslam.

Rey Mysterio will send his opponents on a 1-way trip to the area code 619

John Cena curses out his opponents wit the f-u

Lita is just hot. :love:

And they all return the very next week - completely unscathed. Wrestling really is great, isn't it? ;)

[Meat Puppet]

wwe and dbz have two things in common

[Spammerman]

a 3 letter abreviation?

[YukiKiro]

i watch it sometimes, i find it entertaining, but that's about it. i don't watch it all that much, but i find it interresting when i do.

[MoonZapdos]

a 3 letter abreviation?
LOL that was a damn good one.

[Dingo Jellybean]

[QUOTE=Dingo Jellybean]
Batista is probably around 6'3", whereas HHH is probably around 6'2". I don't doubt his weight for a second, though. Take one look at those pectorial muscles, those huge arms and that massive chest, and you can see where the 315-317 lbs are. Although HHH is a big guy, he's got nothing on Batista when it comes to muscle mass.

Back in 2002 - after his quadriceps tear - HHH rehabbed like crazy and came back looking like a radioactive triceratops, and he weighed approximately 275lbs for most of the year. Unfortunately for Tripper (who is a big bodybuilding enthusiast), his muscle mass started to disintigrate after various injuries during 2003. Thankfully, he decided not to try and gain this mass back, and, as a result, his performances have improved considerably over 2004-2005, and his injuries have been few and far between.

See, I knew the WWE faked some profiles. Because no way the UT is 6'10" and Kane 7'. They just don't look that tall. To be honest, I think the UT is 6'6" at most. TBS is listed at like, 7'2" 500 lbs. at one point, but 7' is more believable...and I think that's being quite generous. Because Conan O'Brien is 6'4", and the times TBS appeared on his show, he was just a few inches taller, not the 8" taller that he is allegedly suppose to be.

But I remember HHH's injury, I thought it was in 2001...but the WWE kept playing it with Creed's My Sacrifice on their promos and such.

[Spammerman]

i thin kmnm i gonna be sued by eminem

[Amarant Odinson]

why? They're not breaking any copyright laws with a name like that. If Eminem could sue the WWE for that, then by your logic the company that makes M&M's could sue the rapper for the exact same thing.

[MoonZapdos]

why? They're not breaking any copyright laws with a name like that. If Eminem could sue the WWE for that, then by your logic the company that makes M&M's could sue the rapper for the exact same thing.
Now there's a point. :rolleyes2

[faster skating penguin]

My analysis is it's just half naked men in pants pretending to fight each other. I just find the bad acting amusing and cringe.

I could understand why someone how's only been exposed to american wrestling would think that. Horny old Vice pushing usless divas and big man wrestlers who don't know the meaning of "Workrate" down our thoats certainly dosn't help the general public opinion.


Recently I've been enjoying Smackdown!(gasp!) and RAW(gasp!). But still ... not what they used to be.

I've been getting into Japanese wrestling latley, Misawa, Kawada, Dynamite, Hansen, Sasuke ... far superior to American wrestling ... of ANY period.

[Strawberry Gashes]

MNM and the Heart Throbs = ratings.

The Tag Team divisions on both shows are still in complete disarray, though.

[Rainecloud]

MNM and the Heart Throbs = ratings.

I'm not too sure about The Heart Throbs (they haven't looked very good in the ring so far), but MNM are the best thing on Smackdown at the moment. Just a note: MNM aren't going to be sued by Eminem - that's just silly. MNM aren't even rappers, they're Hollywood wannabes.

Unfortunately, WWE's current champions (Batista and John Cena) are the weakest champs in years. I didn't think that we'd ever see a worse champion than JBL, but I was sadly mistaken. Hopefully, Cena will get booed out of every building and Vince will be forced to take that prestigious championship from off his shoulder - pronto!

Having said all that, the ratings are increasing at a healthy rate at the moment, so WWE must be doing something right.

[Strawberry Gashes]

JBL was awesome around December onwards. And I don't think you've really given Cena and Batistia much of a chance, as they JUST won the titles, and haven't really been given time to show off what they have to offer. Besides that, neither are in any new fueds yet.

Here's to Christian jumping to SmackDown! during the Draft Lottery and fueding with John Cena. <3

[faster skating penguin]

I don't get the John Cena bashing. He's at least above average in the ring, there's no question about how over he is - he's the most over champion since The Rock / Stone Cold. People have been questioning who the next Rock/Austin is going to be, well you've got him - Cena.

His moveset is more than acceptable. He's got a gimmick that isn't as stupiud as it's made out to be. The crowd has a total hard-on for him. He's had credible feuds with big-name wrestlers. He's got mic skills. Charisma. EVERYTHING. Sure, he's not Benoit in the ring, but he not Nathan Jones either.


Batista was good before he turned on Evolution. After that he was boring. I can't see Batista staying in the position he's in for very long at all.

[Strawberry Gashes]

He's had credible feuds with big-name wrestlers.Credible fueds with big name wrestlers? As much as I enjoy JBL, he isn't a big name, and having squash matches with Rene Dupree and Orlando Jordan won't work, especially since he's the show's heavyweight champion. He can certainly go against better opponents, though.



Batista was good before he turned on Evolution. After that he was boring. I can't see Batista staying in the position he's in for very long at all.
You can't really blame him for that, though. He's been involved with Triple H angles since he started getting face pops, and hasn't really fought any big name opponent not named Triple H in quite awhile. He'll be much more watchable as a champion once this fued with Triple H -finally- ends.

[faster skating penguin]

Brock Lesnar
Eddie Guerrero
THE UNDERTAKER

At Vengance '03 UT put him over big time by getting across that while Cena didn't beat him, he "took him to his limits." He also had confrontations with Vince McMahon and Stephanie.



Batista's fued with HHH won't be over any time soon. At Vengance they're having a Hell in a Cell. VENGENCE. JUNE. It's APRIL now. Their fued started in JANUARY.

[Dingo Jellybean]

The mic skill of Batista is evidently bad. He's enjoyable to watch, but like Benoit, his reign as champion will be short. Benoit is a great talent, but really isn't The Rock or Y2J on the mic, and that really hurts your chances of being champion for long.

Which is why JBL is more of an enigma. He sucks at the mic, he has limited in-ring skills, and is grotesquely overweight (compared to other wrestlers). I'm not asking for JBL to have a strong body, but gawd...he's suppose to be in more shape than that. Kurt Angle is probably the most reasonable WWE champion on SD!, he has everything a champion should be. Good mic skills and ring skills.

Brock was just a machine, and people loved watching him in the ring. Even though he was bad on the mic, he was really great when he kept F5ing TBS...which awes me even to this day.

[faster skating penguin]

Are you mad? JBL has great mic skills! Much better than the current skills of Kurt Angle. I don't like how his character has been treated. He's ment to be the naive, innocent, pansy-like American Hero, telling the crowd how great he is in his geek self centered way, not hosting a Jobber Destruction Tour and yelling "I'M GONNA MAKE YOU TAPPPPPP!!!"

Although I did love him on commentary.

Angle: Oh my gosh!
JBL: Did you say 'oh my gosh'!?
Angle: Sorry, I don't swear like you.
JBL: You don't deserve to be champion, you curse like a grade schooler!

Pure gold.

[Amarant Odinson]

JBL's mic skills have improved, but they still suck. JBL drew almost drew less money than Kevin Nash did when he was WWF Champ 10 years ago. Which makes sense considering that both men only know about 2 or 3 moves each.

As for Cena? He may be the most over guy on Smackdown right now next to Eddy Guerrero, but he hasn't improved at all in the last year. His in ring work isn't what it should be and his gimmick has grown very stale. If the crowd has this "total hard-on for him" then wouldn't the crowd have been more excited when Cena beat JBL at WMXXI? When John Cena won the WWE Title, the crowd at WMXXI couldn't have cared less. They were almost silent when Cena won that match.

[faster skating penguin]

The match was absolute <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> and the ending was anti-climactic. I'm not saying I love Cena or anything, actually I hate how his character is being treated right now, but the crowd loves him and he's more over than Eddy.

Yeah, JBL sucks big time in the ring, no one can deny that, but outside, he was bloody entertaining. For pure entertainment, he was better than:
Benoit
Guerrero
Trips (much)
Batista
Cena
Angle
Show
Micheals

almost every other champ is recent memory. Sure, I perfer most of them to JBL, but he owned them as far as being an entertaining champion goes. Besides, I no longer watch WWE expecting any match above **, because it's doubtable they'll give it to you, maybe once every three months or so. I've got ROH and Japan for match quality.


Carlito's gonna be a big star. Cena seems like a Austin/Hogan combonation, while Carlito has his own feel. They need to bring in a big name star to have a career-making fued with CCC. I'm hoping the Rock. The chemistry they would have in promos/matches would be off the charts.

[Strawberry Gashes]

The mic skill of Batista is evidently bad. He's enjoyable to watch, but like Benoit, his reign as champion will be short.
He was champion from Wrestlemania XX to SummerSlam..that's not short at all. At least WWE came out of its 'New champion every month' phase.

[Rainecloud]

The mic skill of Batista is evidently bad. He's enjoyable to watch, but like Benoit, his reign as champion will be short.
He was champion from Wrestlemania XX to SummerSlam..that's not short at all. At least WWE came out of its 'New champion every month' phase.

Well said. Back in the Attitude Era of 1998-2001 (or thereabouts), the WWE Championship changed hands almost every month at the PPV, and sometimes on the Raw/Smackdown shows! This devalued the belt, and it made its holders look like caretakers as opposed to serious and credible champions.

In 2004, the World Championship changed hands only three times, and the WWE Championship changed hands just twice! True, JBL almost killed the belt to begin with, but he grew into a fairly acceptable champion who everyone eventually got behind.

Maybe things aren't quite as bad as they seem.

[Strawberry Gashes]

I was referring mainly to 2002, where we saw Triple H winning the belt in March, who lost it to Hulk Hogan in April, who lost it to Undertaker in May, who lost it to the Rock in July, who then lost it to Brock Lesnar in August. ._.

[Meat Puppet]

Rolly Polly Mick Foley is muh lovah

[MoonZapdos]

Did anyone actually buyed tickets to go see WrestleMania XXI?

[Rainecloud]

I was referring mainly to 2002, where we saw Triple H winning the belt in March, who lost it to Hulk Hogan in April, who lost it to Undertaker in May, who lost it to the Rock in July, who then lost it to Brock Lesnar in August. ._.

Who lost it to the Big Show in November, who lost it to Kurt Angle in December, who lost it to Brock Lesnar in March, who lost it to Kurt Angle in July, who lost it to Brock Lesnar in September, who lost it to Eddie Guerrero in February, who lost it to JBL in June, who lost it to John Cena in March, who ...

Oh, look at that! I get carried away sometimes. ;)

[Del Murder]

I think the belt needs to change hands on the TV shows every now and then, mixes things up a little bit.

[faster skating penguin]

I think the belt needs to change hands on the TV shows every now and then, mixes things up a little bit.

Seconded. Wasn't it Angle vs. Austin were the world title last changed on TV? Damn terrorists, screwing with the booking.

In 02' it made sense to change the belt every month. The brands were newly split and the Undisputed title was inter-promotional. It was needed to keep people watching both RAW and Smackdown.

[Rainecloud]

Seconded. Wasn't it Angle vs. Austin were the world title last changed on TV? Damn terrorists, screwing with the booking.

The last time the WWE Championship changed hands on TV was in the Iron Man match between Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar. It aired on an episode of Smackdown in September of 2003.

The last time the World Heavyweight Championship "changed hands" on TV was in December of last year. Well, it didn't really change hands, it was simply held up when Edge and Chris Benoit both beat each other at exactly the same time. HHH was also involved in that triple threat match for the Championship. Of course, Hunter regained the belt in the Elimination Chamber match in January of this year.

I don't think the main titles should change hands on TV. Sure, it's surprising and it gives the casual fan something to get excited about, but it won't get great PPV purchase results. The Monday Night Wars ended a long time ago, and Raw/Smackdown ratings aren't as important as they used to be (although they are still a major factor).

When titles only change hands on the Supercards, it makes more people shell out their hard earned cash to watch these "special shows", which can only be a good thing for the company and the wrestling business. Also, it makes the belts seem that little bit more special.

[faster skating penguin]

I always forget Lesnar/Angle, despite me having it on tape and it being the best of the 4 modern Ironman matches. Most likley because I didn't regularly watch at that time. (WM 18 = HUGE turnoff to WWE)

[Rainecloud]

(WM 18 = HUGE turnoff to WWE)

Same here. Hulk Hogan winning the title one month later almost made me quit watching altogether. I managed to survive through this difficult period, though, and I'm glad I did. WWE shows are so much better these days. Better than 2002, anyway.

[Del Murder]

I don't think the main titles should change hands on TV. Sure, it's surprising and it gives the casual fan something to get excited about, but it won't get great PPV purchase results. The Monday Night Wars ended a long time ago, and Raw/Smackdown ratings aren't as important as they used to be (although they are still a major factor).

This makes sense. I miss the Monday Wars.

[faster skating penguin]

(WM 18 = HUGE turnoff to WWE)

Same here. Hulk Hogan winning the title one month later almost made me quit watching altogether. I managed to survive through this difficult period, though, and I'm glad I did. WWE shows are so much better these days. Better than 2002, anyway.

I went cold turkey after post-WM 18 RAW. Stayed for a LONG time.

Then a new kid moved to my school. He knew no one, so he sat at my lunch table. No day he wore a John Cena shirt. We had a conversation about the good days of wrestling (the ones I watched.) He then informed me that CHRIS BENOIT won the Royal Rumble. That got me interested. He then informed me EDDY GUERRERO would be going for the world title at No Way Out. That got me hooked. How I'm more into it than ever.


With RAW moving back to USA, TNA may try to get a Spike TV spot, but they're of no thread - they're on their last legs. ROH though ... the number of smart fans wanting good workrate/match quality is steadily increasing, so if they got a deal I think they could pose a noticable thread to WWE's ratings.

I'd probebly watch ROH, but tape RAW/SD, just to give ROH the ratings.

[Strawberry Gashes]

TNA is horrible. xD

[Del Murder]

Test and Albert?

[Amarant Odinson]

Test and Albert?
They sucked but that's not what Strawberry Gashes is talking about. he's talking about TNA/NWA. They're a promotion owed but Jerry and Jeff Jarrett. Jeff Jarrett is the champion over there at the moment. The X Division that they have is alot like WCW's Cruiserweight divsion, but that's the only reason why I watch it. Given the choice between watching Triple H squashing guys week after week or Double J squashing guys week after week, my vote goes to Triple H. That way I can see him do it to guys like Benoit and Jericho. That's better than watching Double J do it to guys like Kevin Nash, DDP or Road Do.. oops I mean B.G. James.

[faster skating penguin]

Best of Japan 1990's should be arriving on my doorstep within the next 2 business days! Looking forward to more Misaway godliness.

Trips dosn't squash people. He may defeat them, but more than likley he makes them look good. The reason he's the number one heel is because no one else can be the number one heel. Christian dosn't cut it in the ring, Edge isn't over enough in main event standards, the only one who could even be close to Trips' position is Jericho and he isn't exactly the most abitious these days.

[Amarant Odinson]

YOU MIGHT BE HHH IF ....

…You list "ability to cut twenty minute promos" as a skill on your resume.

…You became a pro wrestler just to meet women who will inevitably become incredibly unattractive five years after you hook up with them.

…You convince your boss to hire your old buddies, even though they're known drunks and can't walk five feet without snapping an ankle.

…You think tearing a quad automatically makes you a hero.

…You can honestly say, "Yeah, I carried Henry O. Goodwin's ass".

…You refer to Batista and Randy Orton as "substitute Hall and Nash".

…You boycotted the Oscars after being snubbed for best supporting vampire.

…You call your dad "boss", his daughter "wife", and your stepmother "just in case Stephanie leaves me…"

…You try to build the gut kick as a legitimate finishing move.

…The last person to no sell your finisher was the Ultimate Warrior.

…You make Ric Flair kiss your ass, because it's not like he's a legend or anything.

…You have Motorhead play at your nephew's birthday party on a whim.

…You fear the day you ever have to face The Undertaker again, because you forget who's not supposed to sell what.

…You believe spitting water is intimidating.

…You use a sledgehammer as a weapon, but only hit people with the wooden end.

…You refer to the under card as "future dinners".

…You refer to your wife as "that bitch I stole from Test".

…You make people flick the lights on and off rapidly before entering a room.

…You grew mutton chops to regain "street cred".

…The only thing you'd ever admit jobbing to is Buzz Beer.

…You claim the only reason why you harbor ill towards Chris Jericho is because "he ran over my damned bulldog, remember?"

…The job you're best suited for is "grave digger" and the least are "salesman" and "unemployment officer".

…Your favorite vegetable is "squash".

…You claim to be responsible for the comeback of the iron cross logo.

…You still have no idea what the nickname "The Game" means.

…The last time your friends headed South for a promotion, you cried in-ring. Now, you just loan them old girlfriends and send them a postcard.

…You've been to Chyna, and currently reside in Thigh-land.

…You wonder why your book about weight lifting is being outsold by The DaVinci Code.

…The whole world knows you're "not particularly ball-hairy".

…The most scientific move you use is the Indian death lock.

…People still rib you about that whole "there's a lot of bi-things I am…" bit from a couple of years back.

…You refer to the WCW/ECW influx from 2001 as "when Vince doubled what to feed me".

…You wonder why people didn't congratulate you after your ***** classic with Scott Steiner.

…You've been on top of Mic Foley more times than his wife has.

…Every time you hear the number "2" announced, you instantaneously and impulsively thrust your legs up.

…You've never thrown up in your life, because when you put something down, it STAYS down.

…You consider the running knee attack a "high intensity move".

…You refer to dead people as "pedigreed".

…Whenever you hear the phrase "suck it", you say "ah, sweet memories. No, no, not like that!"

…You're pissed at Jesus for stealing Shawn Michaels away from you.

…You own a glass ceiling with Benoit's forehead prints on it.

…You've been outwrestled by Duke the Dumpster.

…People pay you to use your nose as a ski slope.

…Your forehead is big enough to hold it's own PPV.

…The only thing Mark Henry can't lift is your ego.

…You honestly believe you earned your position through hard work and determination, not because you're currently banging the boss man's daughter.

[Rainecloud]

Looking forward to more Misaway godliness.

*ahem* - it's Misawa.

If you're into a mixed bag of wrestling styles, you should check out this (http://www.thewrestlingchannel.tv/shop_dvd.html) shop. See "TWC: International Showdown" at the top left? It's one of the greatest supercard shows ever. The fact that I'm on the fourth row makes it even better to watch. And, yes, Misawa is in action along with Tiger Emperor and Yoshinari Ogawa.

[smittenkitten]

Hehe i like to wrestle with big tuff men first i'd be all sweet but then i'd kick their ass sooryz for language :laugh: but i bet psy is easy i could beat him in 10 secs :trout:.xXx...

[Rainecloud]

Hehe i like to wrestle with big tuff men first i'd be all sweet but then i'd kick their ass sooryz for language :laugh: but i bet psy is easy i could beat him in 10 secs :trout:.xXx...

taht is teh not funnee!1

Neither is that, by all accounts. :/

[KuRt]

Tonight will be Backlash and Batista will still be the champ and HBK and Hogan will win, Benoit will take vicotry over Edge and Shelton benjamin will retain his title.

[faster skating penguin]

Looking forward to more Misaway godliness.

*ahem* - it's Misawa.

If you're into a mixed bag of wrestling styles, you should check out this (http://www.thewrestlingchannel.tv/shop_dvd.html) shop. See "TWC: International Showdown" at the top left? It's one of the greatest supercard shows ever. The fact that I'm on the fourth row makes it even better to watch. And, yes, Misawa is in action along with Tiger Emperor and Yoshinari Ogawa.

Misawa-y. Used like yumm-y and luck-y.


Backlash predictions:

Davari & Hassan over HBK/Hogan (VERY wishful thinking)

Edge over Benoit

Batista over Trips (strange to type)

Benjamin over Jericho

dont care about the rest

[Amarant Odinson]

Kane vs. Viscera

If anything else, at least the segments with Trish and Viscera have been funny. Who knew Viscera could pull something like that off? As for the match itself, it's probably going to be bad. So as long as it's short, then I don't care.
Winner: Viscera, just so I can see more of those Trish and Viscera bits.

Hogan and Michaels vs. Hassan and Daivari

I'm going to get this off my chest first. Anyone that cheered for Hogan during the HOF ceremony are SHEEP! Anyone that chanted "ONE MORE MATCH" are ****ing SHEEP! Anyone that popped huge for Hogan at MSG on RAW are god damn SHEEP!

There. I feel better. Now there is no denying what Hogan did for the business and he does deserve one more chance in the spotlight. Even I realize that. But Hogan looked horrible at WMXXI, so bad in fact that he couldn't even do a Leg Drop, so that leaves this match in the hands of HBK. I've never been a huge fan of his either but if anyone can make this match look good, it's HBK. Now if Hogan doesn't job to Hassan(which he probably won't) then this match will have been pointless. Hogan and HBK need to put aside their egos and try to make Hassan and Daivari look as strong as possible. Hogan needs to do the right thing for once in his career and put someone over in what should be his last match in the WWE. Then they can move Hassan to something more important such as a feud for the I.C. title with Benjaman or Jericho.
Winners: ALL THE STUPID SHEEP THAT WANTED HOGAN BACK FOR ONE MORE MATCH!

Last Standing Match: Edge vs. Benoit

This match has potential to steal the show. Both men have been working well together for some time now. But this match needs to be the match where Edge proves that he should be at that next level. He's in there with with one of the greatest workers out there and while that will help Edge a lot, he still needs to put some extra effort into this match so that people will start to think that he's a legitimate contender for the World Title. And like it or not, he needs to use all those "You screwed Matt." chants to continue to build himself up as an heel.
Winner: Edge

Intercontinental Championship Match: Chris Jericho vs. Shelton Benjamin(c)

This match should be good but it's a shame that they havn't really done much with Benjamin since he won the title back in Oct. 04. I wouldn't mind if they gave the title to Jericho but there's no point to that either unless he finally turns heel. Even then, it's still dumb to give the I.C. Title to Jericho because he's at the point where he's too good for that belt. he doesn't need to it get over while Benjamin could still use it. The problem with this fued is that the build up has sucked and both men are really stale. Keep the belt on Benjamin but for god sakes, TURN JERICHO HEEL ALREADY.
Winner: Sheldon Benjamin

World Heavyweight Title Match: Batista(c) vs. HHH

Batista is still pretty hot right now. Not as hot as he should be, but he still has the fans support. My main problem with this is the fact that Batista has done nothing but throw complements at HHH. Here's a tip Big Dave. YOU DON'T COMPLEMENT YOUR OPPONENT BEFORE YOU'RE ABOUT TO KICK HIS ASS. I'll be happy as long as they keep the belt on Batista and keep this match short again. Besides, all of the rumors are pointing to a Hell In The Cell Match between the two at Vengence in July and that may be a better time to give Triple H the belt.
Winner: (if they want to keep on making money)Batista

[faster skating penguin]

Here's a truley sick joke. Even I found it offensive when I first heard it. For those offended, don't shoot the messanger.


Why couldn't Owen Hart watch RAW after Over the Edge 99?
his cable got cut

:(

[Amarant Odinson]

If you found it offensive , then why bother posting it in the first place?

[faster skating penguin]

Holy GOD!

RAW was great. One of the bests I can remember.

Shawn Micheals vs. Shelton Benjamin was greatness. With me being the biggest Benjamin mark in the world it was great to see him having such a good match against a wrestler of Shawn's caliber. Shawn did a comendable job of putting Benjamin over.

Jericho/Edge was also great. The boring chant annoyed me infinitly.

HHH/Benoit ... holy damn. The match was pretty good, but the end was great. Trips tapped to Benoit AGAIN. I can't imagin that anyone though that would happen. The only thing that even comes close in supris...ness from the WWE is that JBL can actually be entertaining.


Viscera was gold last night, "I just want you to know that Big Vis is back on the market ... the black market." Best quote in a very long time. Hilarity.

After seeing what promotions like ROH and pre-split AJPW had to offer I didn't think I'd ever be this interested in WWE from a wrestling standpoint ever again. :)

[Strawberry Gashes]

I'm liking this new direction they're taking Viscera in. He's awesome now. (:

[Del Murder]

Heh, Big Vis. I always like it better when the big guys have a comedic role, rather than 'Look at me I'm so big and mean. Grrrrrrr'. That one's been done to death.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Heh, Big Vis. I always like it better when the big guys have a comedic role, rather than 'Look at me I'm so big and mean. Grrrrrrr'. That one's been done to death.

Kind of like how every time TBS gets on the mic he goes: "I'm 7' 500 lbs...blah blah blah"

It's so predictable that he'll say that everytime he's on the mic, I switch channels when he does.

[Del Murder]

Yeah, I liked it when he was goofy and dressing up like other wrestlers. He's actually pretty funny when out of character, they should let him run with it.

[MoonZapdos]

Do ya already know? HHH is out of RAW until Eric Bischoff gives him another chance at Batista!

[Amarant Odinson]

After that 20 minute promo that almost put me to sleep, I stood up and cheered when HHH left. I put down my remote down after that....well, at least until Cena's music video anyway.

[MoonZapdos]

LOL hope someone gives a chance to HHH again...

[Amarant Odinson]

There's going to be a Hell In A Cell match at Vengence between HHH and Batsita in June or July.

[MoonZapdos]

Oh, man... Has anyone saw the Gold Rush Finals? Man, Lita betrayed Kane so well in that fight...

[Rainecloud]

I sold all my WWF/WWE DVDs last week, made nearly £1000, and decided to completely give up watching wrestling so that I can spend more time with my future Wife and her two Children.

And that's not a bad thing; that's a good thing!

[MoonZapdos]

;)

[Old Manus]

Typical wrestling match:

Fighter 1 gets into ring
Fighter 2 gets into ring
Stare each other out for some unfathomable reason
F1 grabs microphone
F1: YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE, F2! EITHER YOU GIVE ME THE ANTARCTICA TITLE TODAY, OR I LAYETH THE SMACKETHDOWN RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
F2: I DON'T THINK SO JACKASS
F1: WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?
F1 pushes F2
Start fighting
Bell rings

10 mins later...

F1 gets beat up and staggers about
F2 taunts and tries to do the finishing blow
F1 suddenly miraculously regains strength and counters attack
F2 is on floor and F1 pins
Ref: 1! 2! ................................................................break out
F1 kills referee
F2 suddenly miraculously regains strength and hits F1 across head with Steel Chair, which of course means that this is a No Weapons match. F2 pins
Ref comes back to life and does a 3 count

F1: WHAT THE *expletive* MAN!? HE USED A WEAPON
F2 extends hand
F2: Hey, good game, man.
F1: SMURF YOU!
F1 'knocks F2 out' by stepping on his foot
the inevitable interference by F2's girl
F2GIRL: What did you do that for, F1? F2....are you alright?
F1: I'LL SEND YOU TO HELL TO MEET HIM
F2GIRL: Nooooooo
F1 punches F2GIRL in stomach and she falls on the floor knocked out. Amazingly, nobody has come to stop this from happening yet
F1 takes title and walks off

Fin.

[MoonZapdos]

OMFG can you believe this? WWE Champion John Cena was drafted to RAW!

[Crazy the Clown]

I've got just 5 words to say about last night's Raw. Feel free to chant along.

ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW!

[Jewels]

I haven't had time to watch any wrestling lately, but is it true Lita divorced Kane and now is with Edge? o_O

[MoonZapdos]

I haven't had time to watch any wrestling lately, but is it true Lita divorced Kane and now is with Edge? o_O
Actually, she BETRAYED him, helping Edge winning his gold rush finals match agains Kane. Wow, what a wallet shot in the head... They even tong-kissed after the match! :tongue:

[Amarant Odinson]

Who gives a crap about Cena? Benoit is back on Smackdown. Let the Benoit, Guerrero, Angle dream matches begin once again.

[Old Manus]

I haven't had time to watch any wrestling lately, but is it true Lita divorced Kane and now is with Edge? o_O
Actually, she BETRAYED him, helping Edge winning his gold rush finals match agains Kane. Wow, what a wallet shot in the head... They even tong-kissed after the match! :tongue:

What drama.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

Ugh... I hate John Weiner - I mean Cena.

[Flamethrower]

JR: "He's making out with that man's wife, dammit! Bah gawd, it ain't right!"

Let me get this straight. We are suppose to feel bad for Kane since his "wife" Lita betrayed him and left him for Edge, and we are suppose to forget that Kane blackmailed her into having sex with him, didn't use proper protection and impregnanted her, put her then-current boyfriend Matt Hardy in the hospital, and forced her into marrying him? Sometimes I feel embarrassed to watch this stuff.

[Crazy the Clown]

That's probably why I don't watch WWE, much, anymore. The plots are far too hokey.

In JCW, one thing's for certain. No matter how much the wrestlers beat the hell out of each other, they're still homies when the day's done.

[MoonZapdos]

Man, I never saw WWE in this chaos. Randy Orton to SmackDown... Benoit back to SmackDown too... Cena and Angle to RAW... And (omg) Triple H is going tae kick Batista's @$$ in the Hell in a Cell.

[Spammerman]

this week undertaker's gonna kick randy ortons @$$ hopefully.
Randy orton :D :shoot: me

[MoonZapdos]

The draft lottery is over! WWE Champ to RAW and World Heavyweight Champ to SD!

[SomethingBig]

I tuned in recently and I'm quite disappointed at how wrestling has changed within the past 10 years.

[Spammerman]

i mad wat happened 2 days ago on sd.UNdertaker got jumped.

[Del Murder]

All Smackdown needs to do now is trade Undertaker for Jericho and it will be the better show. At least Y2J is in the title mix now that Raw has the lesser champion.

[Eternal Dark Night]

Hay is anyone going to watch summer slam?

[Meat Puppet]

Looks like that big dumb slab of meat Brock Lesnar wants back in
it seems he fails in real sports
Hopefully Vince McMahon will make the choice I want him to make and say "no".
well he's already made the choice I just want it to be no.

[MoonZapdos]

Hay is anyone going to watch summer slam?
No, but I will download it after.


Looks like that big dumb slab of meat Brock Lesnar wants back in
it seems he fails in real sports
Hopefully Vince McMahon will make the choice I want him to make and say "no".
well he's already made the choice I just want it to be no.
I peeked into a site where wrestling is exposed and guess what!? Brock Lesnar is BACK! :D

[faster skating penguin]

I've been jonesin' for puro latley. Last Thursday I ordered:

Best of Chris Benoit in Japan
Best of Michinoku Pro
DreamSlam I
Super J Cup 1994
Super J Cup 1995
Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada
Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue


I think it's impossible for me to be disappointed with that order.


Also, the Matt Hardy thing was worked wonderfully. With him setting up dates for indy feds & ROH it really didn't look like he'd be comming back. In the shock and amazment of the moment I actually though it was unscripted for a while.

Kudos to WWE for pulling of one of the greatest and most surreal moments in RAW history. :)

[Angelafterdeath]

i like
Jeff Hardy
Matt Hardy
Lita
HBK
Edge
Kane
Undertaker

[Black Mage FF1]

I usually watch raw. Smackdown has been very boring. I just hope that brock lesnar returns and brings some life into it. Maybe he will beat the hell out of that no talent Batista. :cool: One can only hope.

As for summerslam, I hope to god that Chris Jericho beats John Cena and takes what is rightfully his. After that, get Kurt Angle into a fued with Jericho and we got a good show.

[MoonZapdos]

ALL WWE FANS ON EOFF: What is your favourite wrestler? :)

[Black Mage FF1]

Kurt Angle, definatly Kurt Freaking Angle. Best wrestler, great on the mic and can carry just about anyone to a great match.

[MoonZapdos]

Is that so? Mine's Hunter. TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!

[Del Murder]

As for summerslam, I hope to god that Chris Jericho beats John Cena and takes what is rightfully his. After that, get Kurt Angle into a fued with Jericho and we got a good show.
That would be so awesome. Those two are my favorites.

So yeah, my fav is Y2J. RAW IS JERICHO!

[Black Mage FF1]

As for summerslam, I hope to god that Chris Jericho beats John Cena and takes what is rightfully his. After that, get Kurt Angle into a fued with Jericho and we got a good show.
That would be so awesome. Those two are my favorites.

So yeah, my fav is Y2J. RAW IS JERICHO!


Yeah it would. Those two are just about the best thing the WWE has to offer. Sadly though, I am willing to bet that the WWE will make Jericho job to John Cena :( . And what is with this Kurt Angle invitation? I thought that once he was drafted to RAW that It would end. But no. We still have to see this crap (even though this most recent one was pretty good).

[Del Murder]

Jericho gets no respect and is an all around good guy so I doubt he'll win.

[Spammerman]

i cant wait till smackdown comes to bridgeport.i wanna get a ticket and see batista verse jbl.

[Meat Puppet]

I brought one of Jericho's musical albums off the internet and he still is not champion.

[faster skating penguin]

ALL WWE FANS ON EOFF: What is your favourite wrestler? :)

Mitsuharu Misawa
Toshiaki Kawada
Chris Benoit
Bryan Danielson
Kenta Kobashi
:cool:

Am I the only one noticing JBL's HUGE in-ring improvments? It seems it happened overnight. I mean, one day he was like he always was: horrid.

Then he drug a good match out of The Undertaker put on an amazing proformance in the 6-man, had a very dramatic match with Blue Meanie ... I'm just really suprised how good he's become.


Edge's promo last night was totally GODLY. I just wonder what the fans who've no knowledge of the Hardy/Edge/Lita situation think about the angle ...


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Samoa Joe vs. Austin Aries
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Own Hart vs. Jushin Lyger
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Bryan Danielson vs. Paul London 2/3 falls (MUST SEE)
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Paul London vs. AJ Styles
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Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobash (MUST SEE - top 10 matches ever)
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Also, Earl Hebner has been fired.

[MoonZapdos]

As for summerslam, I hope to god that Chris Jericho beats John Cena and takes what is rightfully his. After that, get Kurt Angle into a fued with Jericho and we got a good show.
That would be so awesome. Those two are my favorites.

So yeah, my fav is Y2J. RAW IS JERICHO!


Yeah it would. Those two are just about the best thing the WWE has to offer. Sadly though, I am willing to bet that the WWE will make Jericho job to John Cena :( . And what is with this Kurt Angle invitation? I thought that once he was drafted to RAW that It would end. But no. We still have to see this crap (even though this most recent one was pretty good).

Both Batista and John Cena are getting too much push (Hell in a Cell... *grumpy face*).

[faster skating penguin]

HIAC was BY FAR Batista's best match.

Cena & Batista are over with the crowd, more over than anyone since Austin/Rock, so of course their getting massive pushes.

[MoonZapdos]

If there weren't any jobbers on WWE, I'd bet Triple H had kicked his @$$ in the HIAC. :mad:

[Black Mage FF1]

HIAC was BY FAR Batista's best match.

Cena & Batista are over with the crowd, more over than anyone since Austin/Rock, so of course their getting massive pushes.


I MIGHT see that for John Cena, because he even as a heel he was getting some loud pops from the crowd. But saying that batista is more over than anyone since Austin/Rock is just sad and going WAY over the line. Batistas fame is NOWHERE near as Kurt Angles is. Even as a heel Kurt Angle is always getting cheered. And its not just angle, there are so many more superstars who are way more popular than batista can hope to be. The only reason Batista is getting such a push is because they really had noone else left to fued with HHH. Originally this would/should be Orton, but the WWE ruined it by shoving the HHH/Orton fued so early down our throats.


I really still cant believe that you can even compare Cena and Batistas popularity to that of Rock/Austin. One day cena MAY become as popular as they are. But never Batista, not with his HORRIBLE in ring talent and his horrible, horrible mic skills.

[faster skating penguin]

At his peak, I think he was to most over since Austin/Rock, but considering he hasn't really done anything amazing, most fans will probably forget about the FRICKIN AWESOME backstage segments with Trips, and stop caring about his as much as they do currently. But right now, he's massivly over.



I finally saw Benoit vs. Austin from SD 2001 this morning. Screw WM17, THAT was the match of the year for 2001. I may post a link to it later.

[Meat Puppet]

cena/batista could probably be the austin/rock of today
even though austin/rock wasn't that long ago
some people complain about wwe needing a new type thing much like old nature boy/new nature boy (others would argue this is really happening with Ric Flair and Kurt Angle but I close my eyes when either of them are about so I wouldn't know - need someone smarters opinion)
of course I'm not as hardcore as them so I really just want to see someone with their skull cracked open
been meaning to follow up on the ENTIRE HBK vs. Bret Hart thing, but too lazy
I liked it for a while how chris masters sort of homage thing to the earlier (late 1800's) professional wrestling but he is boring now

[MoonZapdos]

ONE MATCH I'D LOVE TO SEE:
Undertaker vs. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H vs. Chris Jericho

[Black Mage FF1]

At his peak, I think he was to most over since Austin/Rock, but considering he hasn't really done anything amazing, most fans will probably forget about the FRICKIN AWESOME backstage segments with Trips, and stop caring about his as much as they do currently. But right now, he's massivly over.



I finally saw Benoit vs. Austin from SD 2001 this morning. Screw WM17, THAT was the match of the year for 2001. I may post a link to it later.



At his peak? Batista hasnt even reached the peak yet. And with his horrible mic skills and in ring talent, he never will. Unless batista gets a sudden source of charisma and talent he will NEVER be remember as "great". And we must not be watching the same show because as far as I remember, his in ring and backstage promos with HHH where godawful. I mean I remember their crappy segment for the HIAC contract signing. It was pathetic.

HHH: In order to stop me, you will have to kill me. (Or something along the lines of that)

Batista: Oh yeah? Well you have to kill me!!!!


Wow, if thats the wwe's future then thats just sad. Thank god that a real talented "hoss" like Brock Lesnar who might be returning soon.

[MoonZapdos]

At his peak, I think he was to most over since Austin/Rock, but considering he hasn't really done anything amazing, most fans will probably forget about the FRICKIN AWESOME backstage segments with Trips, and stop caring about his as much as they do currently. But right now, he's massivly over.



I finally saw Benoit vs. Austin from SD 2001 this morning. Screw WM17, THAT was the match of the year for 2001. I may post a link to it later.



At his peak? Batista hasnt even reached the peak yet. And with his horrible mic skills and in ring talent, he never will. Unless batista gets a sudden source of charisma and talent he will NEVER be remember as "great". And we must not be watching the same show because as far as I remember, his in ring and backstage promos with HHH where godawful. I mean I remember their crappy segment for the HIAC contract signing. It was pathetic.

HHH: In order to stop me, you will have to kill me. (Or something along the lines of that)

Batista: Oh yeah? Well you have to kill me!!!!


Wow, if thats the wwe's future then thats just sad. Thank god that a real talented "hoss" like Brock Lesnar who might be returning soon.
Wrong. The segment was:

BATISTA: You will have to kill me to take this! (the belt)

HHH: Well, you will have to kill me to stop me!

[faster skating penguin]

At his peak? Batista hasnt even reached the peak yet. And with his horrible mic skills and in ring talent, he never will. Unless batista gets a sudden source of charisma and talent he will NEVER be remember as "great". And we must not be watching the same show because as far as I remember, his in ring and backstage promos with HHH where godawful. I mean I remember their crappy segment for the HIAC contract signing. It was pathetic.

HHH: In order to stop me, you will have to kill me. (Or something along the lines of that)

Batista: Oh yeah? Well you have to kill me!!!!


Wow, if thats the wwe's future then thats just sad. Thank god that a real talented "hoss" like Brock Lesnar who might be returning soon.

The segments I'm talking about are the Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania segments. At that point it was a great fued and Bats was immensly over and still is because of it.

As for the awful ring skills, Cena's are no better. Get beat up by the heel, hit five moves, win. Except latley he's been skipping the first part. Hopefully Jericho can drag something out of him at SS.

I'm not saying Batista's good, or that I even like him. I'm just saying he's incredibly over because he is.


On another note, Ring of Honor is the greatest promotion of all time.

[MoonZapdos]

NEW POOL:

1) Rey Mysterio or Eddie Guerrero?

In my opinion, Eddie's best.

[Black Mage FF1]

At his peak? Batista hasnt even reached the peak yet. And with his horrible mic skills and in ring talent, he never will. Unless batista gets a sudden source of charisma and talent he will NEVER be remember as "great". And we must not be watching the same show because as far as I remember, his in ring and backstage promos with HHH where godawful. I mean I remember their crappy segment for the HIAC contract signing. It was pathetic.

HHH: In order to stop me, you will have to kill me. (Or something along the lines of that)

Batista: Oh yeah? Well you have to kill me!!!!


Wow, if thats the wwe's future then thats just sad. Thank god that a real talented "hoss" like Brock Lesnar who might be returning soon.

The segments I'm talking about are the Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania segments. At that point it was a great fued and Bats was immensly over and still is because of it.

As for the awful ring skills, Cena's are no better. Get beat up by the heel, hit five moves, win. Except latley he's been skipping the first part. Hopefully Jericho can drag something out of him at SS.

I'm not saying Batista's good, or that I even like him. I'm just saying he's incredibly over because he is.


On another note, Ring of Honor is the greatest promotion of all time.


Yeah but the difference between Cena and Batista is that cena actually has charisma. His mic skills used to be great, so great that even as a heel he was cheered for. Now cena is getting really lame with his jokes but its still better then anything that Tist can come up with. Also, John Cena CAN be good in the ring. Just watch some of his older matches (back when he first debuted and when he turned into "Thug Cena"). He has the potential.

Personally I thought the whole build up to WWXXI wasnt great at all. Not once did I get excited or pumped up. Even when Batista won I was just sitting there with a dull look on my face. Now Chris Benoit and his fued last year with HHH and his win, now THAT was great.

Now I see what you are saying, yes Batista is over. But he is nowhere near the lines of Rock, Austin, HBK, Hogan, Kurt Angle. Nor will he ever be. Vince just knew the right time and place to turn Batista face so that the crowd will love him (for what? I dunno).

MoonZapdos, yeah I think thats how it went. Either way, it was horrible for both of them.

And yes, ROH is great.

[faster skating penguin]

Benoit's feud was nothin, but his win was great. The matches were good, the fued was average.

With Tista/Trips, the fued was good the matches were average or worse.

And if Cena has potential to be great in the ring, that only makes it worse. Honestly I'd rather see Batista's sub-par ring work than Cena's disgustingly Hogan-esque wrestling, while KNOWING HE CAN DO BETTER. If he can do better, there's no excuse that he isn't. Although I did love Cena as a heel, he's a lazy bastard as a face.

[MoonZapdos]

CENA'S ARTILLARY: Hip Toss, Five-Knuckle Shuffle, F-U, Sidewalk Slam and that's it.
Quite the lame @$$ when talking about being technical.

[Black Mage FF1]

CENA'S ARTILLARY: Hip Toss, Five-Knuckle Shuffle, F-U, Sidewalk Slam and that's it.
Quite the lame @$$ when talking about being technical.


Batista's movelist

Spine Buster
Batista Bomb
.........................


As for the benoit fued. After WWXX yes it was getting stale and boring but before. Like when benoit won the Rumble, that fued was great. It had everything a good wrestling fued needed. It had the story, the history, the drama and 3 great wrestlers. What more can you ask for?

[MoonZapdos]

CENA'S ARTILLARY: Hip Toss, Five-Knuckle Shuffle, F-U, Sidewalk Slam and that's it.
Quite the lame @$$ when talking about being technical.


Batista's movelist

Spine Buster
Batista Bomb
.........................


As for the benoit fued. After WWXX yes it was getting stale and boring but before. Like when benoit won the Rumble, that fued was great. It had everything a good wrestling fued needed. It had the story, the history, the drama and 3 great wrestlers. What more can you ask for?
You forgot the thumbs down taunt. And, resuming all this, Batista is just a big piece o' crap. Oh man hasn't WWE changed... Once it was JBL face and Cena hell. Now they switched places and... I don't like it at all. :mad:

[Black Mage FF1]

CENA'S ARTILLARY: Hip Toss, Five-Knuckle Shuffle, F-U, Sidewalk Slam and that's it.
Quite the lame @$$ when talking about being technical.


Batista's movelist

Spine Buster
Batista Bomb
.........................


As for the benoit fued. After WWXX yes it was getting stale and boring but before. Like when benoit won the Rumble, that fued was great. It had everything a good wrestling fued needed. It had the story, the history, the drama and 3 great wrestlers. What more can you ask for?
You forgot the thumbs down taunt. And, resuming all this, Batista is just a big piece o' crap. Oh man hasn't WWE changed... Once it was JBL face and Cena hell. Now they switched places and... I don't like it at all. :mad:


LOL yeah, cant for get when he grabs the ropes and has a spaz attack.

[MoonZapdos]

LOL yeah, cant for get when he grabs the ropes and has a spaz attack.
What's a spaz attack? :confused:

[Del Murder]

A few months ago Batista was getting the biggest cheers I've heard in a long time. That's how I knew he'd win the Royal Rumble. Whether he deserved them or not is another matter.

I like ReyRey better. There is no one more entertaining in the ring in my opinion. He WAS the reason to watch Nitro back in the day. I'm glad he keeps the mask on these days, but I could do without the zany contacts.

[faster skating penguin]

Despite all the horrible things you can say about WCW, you gotta love the fact that the mid card always made for some great wrestling. Rey, Benoit, Malenko, Raven, Eddy, All the cruiserweights, it was quality.

Also, I believe I saw the greatest match in ROH history today, along with the longest match I've ever seen: Bryan Danielson vs. Austin Aries 2/3 Falls. 80 minutes long, and FRICKIN GENIUS for every second (despite Dragon's botched suicide dive).

[Black Mage FF1]

LOL yeah, cant for get when he grabs the ropes and has a spaz attack.
What's a spaz attack? :confused:


You know when he grabs the ropes and looks like he is having a seizure. (Its when he grabs the ropes and starts shaking and screaming like an idiot).

As for batistas pops, well what do you expect? They were hinting for a face turn against HHH. If it wasnt for that, he would be getting any cheering.

[Doomie]

Batista is a talented wrestler and Rey > Eddie.

[faster skating penguin]

Eddy > Rey x 1235489699545/**/20*/2//2539+

[MoonZapdos]

Batista is a talented wrestler and Rey > Eddie.
Batista? TALENTED? He can't even be compared to Hunter! :mad2:

[Black Mage FF1]

If you find Batista talented, I wonder how you feel about angle or benoit. I guess having a movelist that only consists of 2 moves = talent? And not being able to cut a decent promo = talent too eh? Oh and Eddie > Rey.

[MoonZapdos]

If you find Batista talented, I wonder how you feel about angle or benoit. I guess having a movelist that only consists of 2 moves = talent? And not being able to cut a decent promo = talent too eh? Oh and Eddie > Rey.
Yay, you're a latino heat fan too! :D

[faster skating penguin]

Jesus God, Batista's promo made me cry tears in my heart last night. It was just so awful.

Despite that, I still concede that he is very over.

[MoonZapdos]

Jesus God, Batista's promo made me cry tears in my heart last night. It was just so awful.

Despite that, I still concede that he is very over.
I hope 'Taker kicks his ass at Summerslam. :D

[Meat Puppet]

It's about time Bret Hart made the hall of fame. (2006)

[Alive-Cat]

Oh man. I absolutely HATE that show. I've just never gotten on with it I guess. I just find it boring.

[Black Mage FF1]

Jesus God, Batista's promo made me cry tears in my heart last night. It was just so awful.

Despite that, I still concede that he is very over.
I hope 'Taker kicks his ass at Summerslam. :D


Did you miss smackdown or something? Its no longer Taker vs Batista. Its JBL vs Batista. Taker will be facing Orton at SS. And hopefully, the legend killer will win.


Oh and also. There are rumors that brock lesnar will return soon. Probably at SummerSlam or after. :cool: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6776/brocklesnar2.gif

[faster skating penguin]

Rumors? I belive it's confirmed now. :))))))_

[MoonZapdos]

Yep. That and Matt Hardy. And... now that JBL is gonna face Batista he has to job to him again. Bah...

[faster skating penguin]

Uh-oh.

It looks like WWE don't have much plans for CM Punk. :(

Weren't happy with his Heat match last week, so it didn't air, this weeks he's jobbing in a tag dark match :sad:

SD/Velocity spoilers:

NUNZION DEF PAUL LONDON TO BECOME NEW CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION

SD:

Chris Benoit & Booker T vs. MNM, should be good.

Mexicools vs. Scotty 2 Hotty & William Regal. Regal heels turns.

Mysterio beats Christian.

More Dominic stuff.

Batista/JBL contract signing

Randy Orton promo, no Undertaker

Yeah, not detailed, but seems like a good show.

[Doomie]

Batista is a talented wrestler and Rey > Eddie.
Batista? TALENTED? He can't even be compared to Hunter! :mad2:

1. I never said he was better than Hunter.

2. Just because he has two moves, it means he's a bad wrestler? I advise you to watch one of Ric Flair's matches. He won multiple titles without even lifting up the person. And besides, two moves is an understatement. Those are just his "signature" moves. He's been seen doing things like a suplex, sidewalk slams, etc. Batista is a talented wrestler because the fans get hooked to him whereas all Cena can do is act like a moron on his microphone making the lamest jokes I've ever seen. I really never liked Cena.

3. Batista is bad on the microphone? Try RVD, hell, I have also seen Triple H be the worst actor EVER on the microphone. Sure, he's no Rock or Stone Cold, but he's not that bad.

And yes, Chris Benoit > Batista, but Batista > Cena.

[Black Mage FF1]

Batista is a talented wrestler and Rey > Eddie.
Batista? TALENTED? He can't even be compared to Hunter! :mad2:

3. Batista is bad on the microphone? Try RVD, hell, I have also seen Triple H be the worst actor EVER on the microphone. Sure, he's no Rock or Stone Cold, but he's not that bad.



OMG. Do you know why RVD is bad on the mic? Its because the WWE limits what he is allowed to say on the mic. Hell, just watch his WWE shoot on ECW One Night Stand. RVD has great mic skills but the wwe does not allow him to use his full potential with them. And even with his limited mic, he is far better then Batista. Batista is godawfull.

"I know what you are doing hunter. STOP IT"

"Your getting an attitude adjustment"

Wow. Notice how the crow is dead silent when he says stupid stuff like that. Which happens pretty much all the time. The crowd only pops when his entrance hits, when he is shown on the titantron and he is about to win a match.

Now I will admit that john cena is pretty horrible on the mic. But at least you can tell that he is comfortable on the mic. Unlike Batista. And John Cena used to be great on the mic. Back when he was a heel.

[faster skating penguin]

"You're a LOUDMOUTH, you're a BULLY, and you're a PHONIE!"

[Black Mage FF1]

Well smackdown blew today. They really need to end this stupid Rey/Eddy storyline. And they need to get Christian into the main events. I will only be watching SD! for 3 reasons now. 1) In hope that one day Christian will get the push he deserves 2) Brock Lesnar might return 3) I want to see Randy Orton kick Takers ass. :cool:

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=08---16---04-randy-orton-tribute-video

[SomethingBig]

What the hell was with that attorney for Eminem and Melina? You know, the one with the "blemish"? Are they making it out to be a real blemish? Or just something she wears? I thought it was the stupidest thing ever.

[Meat Puppet]

i thought that the smackdown! writers went crazy and let sean waltman take over
just a dream though
just a dream

[faster skating penguin]

I actually quite liked Smackdown. Two **+ matches with Benoit/Booker vs. MNM and Christian vs. Mysterio. I don't see how anyone can hate the Eddie/Rey story, EDDIE IS FU(KING GOLD IN THOSE SEGMENTS. The facial expressions, the way he moves, the way he talks, he's just bloody hilarious, while comming across as a huge dick. Also, Rey's work isn't that bad either. The angle at heart may not be great, but Eddie and Rey are definitly making it work.

Also, William Regal was supposed to turn heel, but they didn't air it :( :( :(

[MoonZapdos]

Uh-oh.

It looks like WWE don't have much plans for CM Punk. :(

Weren't happy with his Heat match last week, so it didn't air, this weeks he's jobbing in a tag dark match :sad:

SD/Velocity spoilers:

NUNZION DEF PAUL LONDON TO BECOME NEW CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION

SD:

Chris Benoit & Booker T vs. MNM, should be good.

Mexicools vs. Scotty 2 Hotty & William Regal. Regal heels turns.

Mysterio beats Christian.

More Dominic stuff.

Batista/JBL contract signing

Randy Orton promo, no Undertaker

Yeah, not detailed, but seems like a good show.
Holy spoilers! :eek:

[Meat Puppet]

with all these hint towards a RAW appearance of bret hart (shaking vinces hart, hogan saying his name, his profile on wwe.com, the screwjob hinted shortly before raw shows in montreal etc) I'd probably kill myself if he doesn't. Well, maybe not that. I'd probably just go play some gameboy. But you get the picture.

Then again, every year I predict this.

[MoonZapdos]

Didn't Bret Hart die on a wrestling accident? Or was it Owen Hart?

[black orb]

>>> It was Owen.

[auronfan1]

taker is the best well hes my fav never lost a match at wrestlmania

[SomethingBig]

Is it seriously necessary to have a side story about one of the wrestler's children being the child of another wrestler? I mean seriously, it was completely obvious that they'd end up wrestling and it's not like anyone believes this crock, anyway. Wrestling's wrestling, for heaven's sake. The tension between Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio could've easily been built up through different means, since there was already a lot of "friction"* between them.

*Quotes because no real friction exists between them.

[MoonZapdos]

BATISTA'S VERY TECHNICAL PRE-BOMB MOVES:

Spinebuster -> Ropes -> Spaz Attack -> Thumbs Down -> Toe Kick -> Thumbs Down -> Batista Bomb

NEW POLL: Is Batista lame?

1) Yes
2) No

[Meat Puppet]

He was better when he was the Leviathan or whatever, in my opinion.

[MoonZapdos]

The Leviathan? Never heard of that.

[Meat Puppet]

oh whoops
neither have I :shifty:

[Dingo Jellybean]

I think both Cena and Batista suck.

John Cena "acting black" is really lame. I switch channels when I see him on the mic because he sucks with it. Batista isn't that bad of a wrestler, but he's a crappy in-ring talent as well as being worthless on the mic.

The only reason he's WHC is because he has that "look" of a WHC. The WWE usually likes someone who is 6'4" or so with a buff body...regardless of how crappy their in-ring skills are(see The Rock). But at least The Rock was/is/will be great on the mic. Austin and Bret Hart, as well as Angle and a few others, have always had these 2 good qualities...being both good in ring and on the mic.

I was hoping to see Brock Lesnar vs. Batista match, but that won't happen anytime soon...but you can't trust WWE.com for news anyways.

But does anyone notice how "weak" Batista is for his size? I mean the guy is 6'4" and 317 lbs. (according to WWE, though I think he's more along the lines of 270 lbs). He botched realitively simple moves like the sit-down Powerbomb(Batista Bomb) on Kane and Orlando Jordan. Although Kane and OJ were fine, he didn't reach that sit-down position fully. But I guess it's because of his age (he's like, 39).

I mean when you look at Batista, that guy is as ripped as anybody (well, maybe not as much as Chris Masters) but he's really not that strong. I think that's why they switched TBS to Raw, because the WWE probably didn't want any chance of Batista feuding with TBS (or Viscera) because he'll probably break their necks botching the sit-down powerbomb.

[Meat Puppet]

He lied about his age, he's really like 42 or 75 or something.

[Dingo Jellybean]

He lied about his age, he's really like 42 or 75 or something.

Yeah, he listed himself as a 1969er, but really is 1966. Regardless, he's still old, but still has about 5 good years in the business. But he'll get a huge pop at SS since he's going back to his hometown.

[Meat Puppet]

Doesn't he get huge pop anyway?

[Dingo Jellybean]

Doesn't he get huge pop anyway?

Yeah, only because the crowd "needs" a face champion. Other than that, if he faced off against Austin (as a heel), he would get booed mercifully.

[Del Murder]

Why are Eddie and Rey fighting over some kid? Not that that wouldn't be an entertaining match.

[SomethingBig]

Because the producers decided, "Hm... It would be pretty awesome if Eddie Guerrero invited himself to Rey's life. NO WAIT. How about we make Eddie Guerrero.. the real father of Rey's son!?" And now they're settling the whole custody deal. How? BY WRESTLING.

[MoonZapdos]

Because the producers decided, "Hm... It would be pretty awesome if Eddie Guerrero invited himself to Rey's life. NO WAIT. How about we make Eddie Guerrero.. the real father of Rey's son!?" And now they're settling the whole custody deal. How? BY WRESTLING.
LOL that story is making gold for WWE. That would be credible but Dominic's face is the same pie-face of Mysterio. :mad:

[Meat Puppet]

That reminds me too much of my life.

[MoonZapdos]

Bret Hart is gonna screw HBK in SummerSlam!

[Black Mage FF1]

Bret Hart is gonna screw HBK in SummerSlam!



Source?

[Dingo Jellybean]

Bret Hart is gonna screw HBK in SummerSlam!



Source?

At first it seems kind of obvious. But I don't think we'll see Bret Hart in Washington D.C. this Sunday. I heard that Bret would wrestle Patel at SS, but that would leave Smackdown! as the only show to book the match and I don't think Bret Hart will be on Smackdown!, there wouldn't be a good feuder, save for Christian or the return of Mohammed Hassan (who actually should be wrestling Batista at SS for the WHC if not for his controversial character...which I liked).

I knew Eddie vs. Rey would be a match in the making at SS, it was just too obvious since they continued to fued after TGAB. But the fact that it's a ladder match makes my mouth water.

This SS looks to be pretty sucky, Now another card of Benoit vs. Jordan is being added. This is going to suck since Jordan isn't that great. It be better if it was Benoit vs. Booker, but no storyline developed for it and we'll most likely see Booker vs. Joey Mercury. I'm hoping Christian gets on the SS card, maybe he'll wrestle Bret Hart since he's peeved about not getting a match at SS...but eh.

[Meat Puppet]

Up until a few days ago, MoonZapdos thought Bret Hart was dead.

[MoonZapdos]

Up until a few days ago, MoonZapdos thought Bret Hart was dead.
I misjudged him for Owen Hart. And the spoiler source was www.wrestlingexposed.com.

[Meat Puppet]

Wait, you needed a source for that? I thought anyone could see it coming.

[Black Mage FF1]

Wait, you needed a source for that? I thought anyone could see it coming.


He said it as if It was confirmed. I just wanted to check for myself. And that site doesnt work for me. Anyway, I found this at a different site.

At least as of last night, there was no deal for Bret Hart at SummerSlam, nor at least up to yesterday, had he even been approached with a suggestion or idea that he show up at the show. It wouldn't shock me if an approach was made this week. He is scheduled to do a Q&A at the NWA Wrestling Legends Fanfest in Charlotte that would end when SummerSlam is beginning. Technically, it would be possible to charter a jet and have him do both. I doubt it would happen as his attitude is that he has no interest in playing a character on the WWE television show, and is even stronger that he would not do an angle playing off the 1997 Survivor Series..

I got this from backstagewrestling.com

[Flamethrower]

You know what's funny? Canadian fans boo the hell out of Shawn Michaels for what he did to Bret Hart in 1997, yet they loudly cheer Hulk Hogan, oblivous to the fact that Hogan screwed Bret just as badly as Shawn did in 1993. The only difference was that Hogan did it outside the ring.

For those who don't know, let me explain. Wrestlemania 9 was coming up. The main event of the card was scheduled to be World Champion Bret Hart versus the 500 pound Yokozuna, with Hart retaining his title. Vince McMahon wanted Hulk Hogan, who had been absent from the ring for awhile and was planning on retiring very soon, to make a surprise appearance at the event. However, Hulk Hogan told McMahon he would only appear if he won the World Title. McMahon reluctantly agreed and changed the original ending of the World Title match. Yokozuna vs. Bret Hart still happened, but Yoko pinned Hart after about 10 minutes of wrestling and won the World Title. After the match, Yoko and his manager started beating down Hart, and then Hogan ran in to "make the save". Yoko's manager then challenged Hogan to an impromptu title match with Yokozuna. Hulk accepted, and then Hogan pinned Yoko in 35 seconds to win the World Title. Yes, 35 seconds.

Not only did Hogan take away what should have been Bret Hart's big night, but he also made Bret look like a total loser by pinning the man that Hart couldn't beat in 35 seconds.

The screwing doesn't end there. You see, Vince McMahon only agreed to let Hulk Hogan win the title at Wrestlemania 9 if Hogan would drop the title to Hart on a later date. Hogan agreed. It made sense. Bret Hart was the hottest rising star of the company, and Hogan was an aging superstar who was on the verge of retirement, so it was only right for Hogan to "pass the torch" to Hart on his way out. However, after Hogan won the strap, he suddenly went back on his word, and refused to drop the title to Hart, claiming Bret Hart was too small and it would hurt the Hulksters image if he lost to him. Hogan ended up dropping the title to Yokozuna before leaving the company.

The more you know™.

Oh yeah, and the WWE are going to be total idiots if they don't manage to get Bret Hart to show up at Summerslam.

[Lord Magician]

Ok, I have seen in my t.v. that the moday night raw after summerslam will be edge vs. john cena and shawn michaels vs. kurt angle. I don't know if it's true but, it may mean john cena won at summerslam, and so did shawn michaels. I think it a pile of BS, but it may be true.

Did anyone knoticed the new batista, that world tilte is ruining his mind. I hate JBL to win, but I think it would be best for batista.

AND I THINK JOHN CENA IS A WANABE AND HAS NO LIFE! There you go, I said it! :D

[Black Mage FF1]

Personally I hate the way Canadians fan act. Its annoying as hell when they chant "You screwed bret!". There are 2 things they should know.

1) Bret screwed bret.
2) It happened like 8 years ago. Get over it and find something new to obsess about.

http://justtopissoffcanada.ytmnd.com/

[Del Murder]

Wrestling with Shadows is great, by the way.

[MoonZapdos]

Maybe Bret Hart is not happy that Shawn Michaels used the Sharpshooter on Hulk Hogan last monday night. Oh and the WHC match for SummerSlam is a No Holds Barred match.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Maybe Bret Hart is not happy that Shawn Michaels used the Sharpshooter on Hulk Hogan last monday night. Oh and the WHC match for SummerSlam is a No Holds Barred match.

I honestly felt, that unless ladders and tables were used, No Holds Barred matches are just another regular match. I mean it's Batista and JBL, not necessarily great in-ring performers. Honestly, the match that will steal the show is the ladder match between Guerrero and Mysterio. Those 2 are phenominal in-ring performers. HBK vs. Hulk will be as boring as nails mainly because HBK will be supporting the match all by himself, Hardy vs. Edge might turn out to be good, Cena vs. Y2J might turn out good as well, but every other card sucks. Orton shouldn't waste his talents on the Undertaker, since all the UT will do is go up the rope, boot to the face, chokeslam, and tombstone. *yawn* Benoit vs. Jordan might have an outside chance to be good, but since there was practically no storyline build for it, I doubt many people will be impressed. Eugene vs. Angle also has a shot as being good, but Eugene isn't exactly in Angle's league IMO.

[MoonZapdos]

My SummerSlam Preview:

HULK HOGAN vs. SHAWN MICHAELS
Bret Hart is gonna show up and screw Shawn Michaels, disqualifying Hulk Hogan.

WWE CHAMPION JOHN CENA vs. CHRIS JERICHO
Eventually, Jericho is gonna job to Cena again.

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BATISTA vs. JBL
Same as above.

MATT HARDY vs. EDGE
Edge will get his payback from Hardy, that's for sure.

UNDERTAKER vs. RANDY ORTON
Once more, Orton's gonna have a taste of the Tombstone Piledriver.

EUGENE vs. KURT ANGLE
I doubt the crowd would let Kurt Angle win.

REY MYSTERIO vs. EDDIE GUERRERO
Same as first two matches.

U.S. CHAMPION ORLANDO JORDAN vs. CHRIS BENOIT
I have a feeling that OJ is gonna turn out lucky again.

[Black Mage FF1]

I think its gonna be like this

HULK HOGAN vs. SHAWN MICHAELS
winner: HBK

WWE CHAMPION JOHN CENA vs. CHRIS JERICHO
Winner: Cena

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BATISTA vs. JBL
This one im not so sure about. I think that Brock Lesnar will return and either A) Screw Batista and cost him the title and then they will fued or B) Try to cost him the title but fail and then have a title fued. I thinks its gonna be A though.

MATT HARDY vs. EDGE
Hardy will probably win

UNDERTAKER vs. RANDY ORTON
Orton HAS to win this. There is nothing at all for Orton, Undertaker or the WWE to gain by having Orton job to taker. He NEEDS to win.

EUGENE vs. KURT ANGLE
Kurt Angle will probably lose :mad2: . But there is one thing good coming up for angle.

The WWE released their Unforgiven poster and it shows Kurt Angle vs. John Cena for the WWE title.

REY MYSTERIO vs. EDDIE GUERRERO
Hopefully Rey wins and this horrible fued ends. I mean there matches are great, but the story is horrid.

U.S. CHAMPION ORLANDO JORDAN vs. CHRIS BENOIT
I dont really care about this at all. Hopefully Jordan wins. And they allow Benoit to get a Word Title shot.

[Flamethrower]

Legend vs. Icon
Hulk Hogan vs. Shawn Michaels
Tricky one, could go either way. I'll say Shawn beats Hulk in a shady finish, and Bret Hart runs in afterwards to beat down HBK, so Summerslam gets a happy ending.

WWE Title Match
John Cena (c) vs. Chris Jericho
No chance in hell Jericho will win. Cena retains, of course.

World Heavyweight Title Match
Batista (c) vs. JBL
Batista wins, goes on to fued with Randy Orton.

Matt Hardy vs. Edge
I expect this one to be nothing more than a brawl, not a wrestling match. I think it will either end as a No Contest, or a DQ victory for either Matt or Edge. Probably Edge. Fued continues into the next Raw PPV.

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
Orton wins, goes on to fued with Batista.

Kurt Angle vs. Eugene
Kurt will win, no doubt in my mind. Goes on to fued with Cena.

Custody of Dominic Ladder Match
Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero
I don't think Eddie will win (even though he really f'in needs a victory), because this fued should be coming to an end and Eddie having Dominic would extend it much futher. I say Rey will win, but then they will have one final match on SmackDown! with Eddie finally getting a victory to end the fued.

U.S. Title Match
Orlando Jordan (c) vs. Chris Benoit
Orlando has been a terrible U.S. champ. Benoit must win. Although this match SHOULD be Jordan vs. Benoit vs. Booker vs. Christian in a fatal-four way with Christian picking up the title, but WWE is too stupid to do anything of worth with him.

[Del Murder]

Is that this weekend? Maybe I'll check it out, to see Jericho in a main event if nothing else.

[Flamethrower]

Jericho in the main event? Fat chance. It's going to be Hogan vs. Michaels, trust me. And it's hard to be excited about Jericho in a WWE Title match when you know there's no possible way he's going to win.

[Del Murder]

You never know! Ok yeah, but still let me have my delusions.

[MoonZapdos]

What match are you guys more excited to see? I'm pretty much excited to see Mysterio vs. Eddie although I'm an Eddie fan and I know he won't win.

[Dingo Jellybean]

All this talk about Bret Hart and Brock screwing people is highly unlikely. Although it would be nice to see 2 new superstars go to their respective shows, I don't see it happening...especially since none of these wrestling sites have confirmed it. I'm talking about PWTorch and such, not WWE.com - trusting that site is like trusting JBL to put on a good wrestling match...it's just not going to happen.

[Black Mage FF1]

All this talk about Bret Hart and Brock screwing people is highly unlikely. Although it would be nice to see 2 new superstars go to their respective shows, I don't see it happening...especially since none of these wrestling sites have confirmed it. I'm talking about PWTorch and such, not WWE.com - trusting that site is like trusting JBL to put on a good wrestling match...it's just not going to happen.



Just found this

Earlier this week I posted a story noting that Brock Lesnar could appear at WWE's SummerSlam PPV. The report stemmed from a report on TVGuide.com which listed him as appearing. I have since received a ton of reader feedback asking me to retract the statement. Upon further investigation, the names of Bret Hart and Owen Hart are also on the list. As it turns out, TVGuide.com tends to list any superstars who have ever appeared at a SummerSlam event on their website. Of course, it is possible that Lesnar could show up at the PPV but it is highly unlikely. The latest word that we've heard is that WWE.com was very accurate in their reports on the Lesnar deal even up until the end. Anything can happen and we'll just have to wait and see but don't get your hopes up.

As far as Bret Hart is concerned, he will NOT be on the PPV and we cannot stress that enough.

source: backstagewrestling.com


So yeah, it seems that neither of them will show up. Too bad, I was hoping for a lesnar return.

[MoonZapdos]

SUMMERSLAM RESULTS:

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Benoit vs. OJ - Benoit

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hardy vs. Edge - Edge

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mysterio vs. Eddie - Mysterio

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Eugene vs. Angle - Angle

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Taker vs. Orton - Orton

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Batista vs. JBL - Batista

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Cena vs. Y2J - Cena

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

HBK vs. Hogan - Hogan

[Meat Puppet]

HBK after the final match had been won was better than seeing Bret Hart anyway
imo

crowd cheering for cena and jericho at the same time was also entralling
no spoilers here

[MoonZapdos]

This one of the worst PPVs I've ever seen. Eddie lost, Taker lost, Y2J lost...

Matt Hardy is gonna be released again!

[Flamethrower]

HBK after the final match had been won was better than seeing Bret Hart anyway
imo

HBK shaking Hogan's hand better than Hart screwing HBK? Not by a long shot. I really, really hope this means that HBK is not a face again. His work as a heel this last month was easily the best thing happening to Raw. He is bland as hell as a face.

Overall, it seemed like an dissapointing PPV, but meh.

[Del Murder]

Yeah, it was kind of boring. I hope Y2J gets another shot at it.

[Dingo Jellybean]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050822

Bill Simmons of ESPN recapping Summerslam...one of the most boring PPVs of the past 5 years.

It's hilarious though, and I knew Y2J and Shawn Michaels would carry their respective matches.

And why the hell do we need to pay $35 to see Hogan rile up the crowd with his punches, leg drop, and 1-2-3? He does this on RAW every week anyways. Oh well, good thing I didn't pay to see it...and I was right about Brock and Bret Hart not showing up. :)

NOTE: This guy clearly hasn't been seeing wrestling the past 5 years like he says. For one, he's confused that there's 2 championship matches. And 2nd, he calls Shawn Michaels "Sean".

[MoonZapdos]

Yeah, it was kind of boring. I hope Y2J gets another shot at it.
Not a chance. Kurt Angle is the number one conteder and... Y2J WAS FIRED! :cry:

[Del Murder]

My reason for watching Raw was fired. :cry: I hope Jericho isn't taking a vacation and he still gets some kind of comedic on screen role. At least my second favorite wrestler is the number one contender. I hope he kicks that young punk Cena's butt.

[Black Mage FF1]

Chris Jericho is leaving so he can go tour with his band Fozzy. So he wont be back for quit some time. There are rumors going around that he may go to TNA when he is down with his tour because his contract with the WWE has expired (or it will in a little bit). But I doubt that, he will probably comeback. Hopefully.


Anyway, Kurt Angle (my favorite wrestler) BETTER win the freakin title. If he loses to john cena, I will never watch raw again until Cena loses the title. I am sick of him and Batista with the belts. They are BORING. If cena went back to heel, then I wouldnt mind him as champ. But as a face, be sucks. Just like Tist. Angle better win and he better win cleanly. He deserves it. And then they can turn Angle face and have him fued with }{}{}{. That would rock.

As for Smackdown. There are rumors going around that we will get a Randy Orton Vs Batista fued. Hopefully this does happen and Orton wins the title. And then he fueds with Christain. Now dats cool.

[Flamethrower]

Glad to see that WWE is rewarding Shawn Michaels for his great work in carrying the Hogan fued for the last month by sticking him in a fued with the greenest and possibly the most untalented wrestler in the company, Chris Masters. I don't mind the old putting over the young (I think Carlito fueding with Flair is great), but Masters is nowhere near the league of someone who should be fueding with HBK. If HBK jobs out to the "Masterlock" (the weakest looking hold ever), I'm going to be pissed.

Well, Angle vs. Cena is something to look forward too. Angle is the most talented overall performer in the WWE today, IMO. I hope he's the man Cena will drop the title to, although I doubt it, because I think this is just a time filler fued until Triple H returns. Bleh.

[Del Murder]

I liked Angle better when he was dorky, that's my only beef with him. Otherwise I hope he wins the belt and I agree that Cena would be much better as a heel.

I'm starting to like Carlito.

[Meat Puppet]

damn, there was no Dusty Rhodes? I'm wrong AGAIN

[MoonZapdos]

I liked Angle better when he was dorky, that's my only beef with him. Otherwise I hope he wins the belt and I agree that Cena would be much better as a heel.

I'm starting to like Carlito.
So am I. Regardless, Cena and Batista are scum as wrestlers and I hope Triple H returns and kicks that thug's arse.

[Flamethrower]

I'll take Cena or Batista over Triple H anyday. Sure, they might be below average in the ring and have a corny gimmick, but at least it's something fresh. We've seen Triple H in the main event non-stop since...what, 2002? How many times have we had to endure the repetitive promos where he says the same thing every time ("I am the greatest wrestler alive today", ect.) How many times have we seen him hog the spotlight from better talent like Jericho, Booker T, Kane, and Rob Van Dam? The longer Triple H is away, the happier I am.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Well, Smackdown! is moving to Friday nights...which essentially assures that Smackdown! will not be around on UPN after the 2005-2006 season. In an obvious attempt to boost ratings on friday nights, they've made a rematch of the Great American Bash main event, and the Summerslam match of Batista vs. JBL for the WHC.

I mean seriously, Randy Orton needs to be involved in the WHC picture. JBL and Batista can't be the only two jokers around with the belt. As for the belt changing hands, this is just the WWE teasing us. It won't. We'll have to pay $35 to see that.

[MoonZapdos]

THE IDEAL CHAMPS:

WWE Champion -> Chris Jericho/Triple H
World Heavyweight Champion -> Eddie Guerrero/Undertaker

[Del Murder]

Jericho and Angle should be the champs, but they are on the same show. So maybe Benoit.

[MoonZapdos]

Jericho and Angle should be the champs, but they are on the same show. So maybe Benoit.
Well heck, I damn HOPE Angle beats that thug. He sucks at wrestling, and you know that. And just like Y2J said, what he does it's not rap, it's crap.

[Lord Magician]

Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper! He sucks at everything! Kurt Angle would make a great champion.

P.S. I think the g.m. Erick Bishoff is a sob! Hope he gets his @$$ kicked by stone cold and hulk hogan one day! :D

I think Triple H will appear in SmackDown!

[MoonZapdos]

Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper! He sucks at everything! Kurt Angle would make a great champion.

P.S. I think the g.m. Erick Bishoff is a sob! Hope he gets his @$$ kicked by stone cold and hulk hogan one day! :D

I think Triple H will appear in SmackDown!
I like Bischoff. He has some nasty plans. And, I LOVED that spoiler! :D

[Meat Puppet]

Doesn't... doesn't Stone Cold like Eric Bischoff?

[SomethingBig]

Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper!
Someone call the police on him!

Raw, I must saw, was pretty awesome. I enjoyed seeing Matt Hardy doing what the Hardy boys do best: get into no-holds barred matches. I was, however, extremely disappointed with the "main event"(the street fight was clearly the main event). Having Rick Flair get beaten with a Full Nelson is the worst way to end a huge match that Shawn Michaels "worked" long and hard to endure.

[Doomie]

Once again, John Cena is a wannabe raper!
Someone call the police on him!

Raw, I must saw, was pretty awesome. I enjoyed seeing Matt Hardy doing what the Hardy boys do best: get into no-holds barred matches. I was, however, extremely disappointed with the "main event"(the street fight was clearly the main event). Having Rick Flair get beaten with a Full Nelson is the worst way to end a huge match that Shawn Michaels "worked" long and hard to endure.

Agreed. Personally, I think HBK is the greatest wrestler still...well...wrestling. He just edges out The Undertaker.

[MoonZapdos]

I just don't know how Flair bleeded that much before the match. The only thing I saw was a pic.

[SomethingBig]

He just edges out The Undertaker.
Ugh, I wish they just fired Undertaker. They ruined him and the damage done is irreparable.

[MoonZapdos]

I hope Angle kicks Cena's butt and then go down when Triple H gets back. :D

Oh, and I downloaded a clip of Owen's death... OMG I sure wouldn't like to die that way...

Jericho and Bret might go to TNA.

[Parker]

Oh, and I downloaded a clip of Owen's death... OMG I sure wouldn't like to die that way...


I strongly doubt it. There is no released video of Owen Hart's death.

[MoonZapdos]

[QUOTE=MoonZapdos]Oh, and I downloaded a clip of Owen's death... OMG I sure wouldn't like to die that way...


EDIT: You were right. It was a clip of another big wrestling fall. Still, the one I have is pretty much shocking than his. =\

[rcabronx]

He just edges out The Undertaker.
Ugh, I wish they just fired Undertaker. They ruined him and the damage done is irreparable.

O_O Blasphemy.

But I do agree that they did ruin him with that whole biker-esque gimmick... it was stupid....but he's back to finish off his years as the dead man once again.

[Meat Puppet]

Yeah, a clip of Owen Hart's death would be pretty hard to find. And if you had any respect for the man, you wouldn't do it anyway.