Avril Lavigne

[Armisael]

Well as my signature shows,i like a lot Avril!
Her songs are great,and her voice is excellent!She is only 20 and has done so many things..
I believe her future will be bright..
So anyone here that likes her too?

[XxSephirothxX]

I'm sure some people do, but I don't like her music in the least. Yech.

[MecaKane]

She's hot an her songs are catchy, that's about it.

[Destai]

Yeah I like her loads and love her songs. The lyrics suck and you can read her like a book but I still enjoy the music.

[Levian]

She's trying too hard.

edit: But she kinda looks like Psy.

[theundeadhero]

And I just deleted my Secret Avril Lavigne lover siggy today too :(

[Chris]

Avril Lavigne... is... sounds DATED.
Avril is SO 2000.

[Rye]

Sorry, but I absolutly hate her. I don't think her voice is good at all, just listen to her cover of SoaD's Chop Suey. And her attitude is all rotten too.

[Leene]

!!:save: :save: :save: :save: I LOVE HER :save: :save: :save: :save: !!
:<3: !!HER VOICE IS GREAT!! :<3:

[Alice]

I really like avril, her recent cd was a heavens grace when my boyfriend dumped me.. heh, her voice is hott and shes fun to rock out to realy loud when ur driving for hours.. which we do alot soo yah.. i love here :)

[Camanche]

I can't stand her music, her voice, the way she looks, her attitude. I can't say that there's anything I like about her. While my dislike for her music is just personal taste, the way she acts is what really rubs me the wrong way. I have such a distaste for her that I'll keep it to myself, lest I say some bad things that will get me in trouble....

[Brian The Pink Shark]

Sorry, but I absolutly hate her. I don't think her voice is good at all, just listen to her cover of SoaD's Chop Suey. And her attitude is all rotten too.

'nuff said, i cant stand Avril's music, and my sister knows this and competes her Avril cds with my Maiden Cds, yes Avril is hot but i just dont like her music(if you can call it that(sorry that was a bit harsh)) she has however switched some people i know into better music which i admire her for, but frankly id rather rip my own ears off that listen to her :choc:

[Lindy]

It's music for little punk kid wannabes, a gateway drug to horrors of Simple Plan and Good Charlotte.

[Camanche]

*shudders*

WHY!?

WHY did you have to bring THEM up!?

*cries*

[Pure Strife]

It's music for little punk kid wannabes, a gateway drug to horrors of Simple Plan and Good Charlotte.

Very true, but that can often lead to greater things. Well, Nirvana really, but it's still better than Avril. Nirvana are crack for the soul.

And no, I'm not in the least bit fond of Avril Lavigne. The lyrics are piss poor, the music is mediocre and she really is a bit of a put on. All in my opinion, of course.

[Lindy]

The rough story of "Sk8er boi"

"Hello there skater boy, I want you."
"Oh, sorry, as you can see by the fact that I'm called a boi, I'm gay"
"Ah...well, will you still be mine?"
"No."
"Damnit *writes an awful song and becomes annoyingly famous*"

[TheAbominatrix]

I can't stand her music, her voice, the way she looks, her attitude. I can't say that there's anything I like about her. While my dislike for her music is just personal taste, the way she acts is what really rubs me the wrong way. I have such a distaste for her that I'll keep it to myself, lest I say some bad things that will get me in trouble....

That's how I feel too. I wouldnt feel so strongly about it if she didnt kepe saying she was punk, which she really isnt (dont jump down my throat here kids, she's not), and at the same time saying the pioneers of punk like The Sex Pistols are useless and unneccesary. It's very annoying.

As for her music, I wouldnt like it regardless of the above stuff. It's not my thing. I just dont like all the self-glorifaction she pulls. It seriously bothers me. And the covers she does. Ruins good music.

[Jebus]

Personally, I'd rather listen to Limp Bizkit than her, and I conisder them to be one of the worst blights on the body of music. I take music rather seriously, and when a group takes a song I like, makes it sound absolutely horrid, and then makes people think they wrote it, it makes me hate them even more. I liked Faith, and Behind Blue Eyes is one of my favorite songs, those bastards.

I'm not too sure about the publicity surrounding Avril's cover of Chop Suey, but considering how badly she did it, makes me hate her even more than I used to.

[Aurey]

I don't like her, either.

But what I dislike even more is how much people will spend their time complaining about how terrible she is. I mean, just shut up already, obviously her fans don't care anymore what other people think about her, so why bother complaining? It's not going to do anything. Sorry, it's just been bugging me quite a bit lately.

[TheAbominatrix]

Well, isnt it the same as the fans talking about how wonderful she is all the time? The people who dont like her dont care what her fans say, so why bother praising her? Its just as useless, really. Its not like anything is gained from either venture, but it's what people like to do.

[Aurey]

Ah, yeah, you're right TheAbominatrix. :p

I guess I should've stopped and thought about what I was going to say before saying anything. Bleh.

[TheAbominatrix]

Nah, you have a good point. It's just human nature to be outspoken about things, even when the opposition doesnt much care. I does get annoying when neither side shuts up though. xD

[Psychotic]

She's trying too hard.

edit: But she kinda looks like Psy.Go to hell. Go to hell and DIE PAINFULLY there. Even though you have to be dead to enter you should go and do it again.

I think her popularity is waning, hopefully in a couple of years it'll be "Avril who?"

[TheAbominatrix]

Well, like other 'pop punk' stars, she's built her popularity on a fad. Once this trend fades, so will her popularity, unless she rides whatever new fad comes up next. It's just like the 'pop princess' fad we had not too long ago (and which still exists, and is returning in full force). To have staying power, your music and your band in general should defy these fads and find a unique niche, which I dont believe Avril or bands like Simple Plan have.

[Shlup]

I think she's fake and that's about all there is to it. The music isn't awful, but the lyrics are terribly juvinile. I also have little to no respect for "artists" who just sing what and how they're told by those who manufacture them.

I probably wouldn't mind her nearly as much if it weren't for the fact that she seems to think she's punk. I felt bad having to explain to sixth graders who thought she was punk and that they were punk for liking her that they are, by all definitions of the label, not punk. They looked sad. xD

If I was at my own computer I'd link to an old article on her that I found interesting...

*Googles "Avril Sucks"*

It's the first thing that came up. xD

http://www.recroommagazine.com/articles/avril.htm

[Cuchulainn]

Well, like other 'pop punk' stars, she's built her popularity on a fad. Once this trend fades, so will her popularity, unless she rides whatever new fad comes up next. It's just like the 'pop princess' fad we had not too long ago (and which still exists, and is returning in full force). To have staying power, your music and your band in general should defy these fads and find a unique niche, which I dont believe Avril or bands like Simple Plan have.

I don't see why she can't, Madonna's been riding fads successfully for almost 20 years.

[Martyr]

I think that people are really screwed up in how they get pissed when people blend musical styles.

"Bash Linkin' Park for being Rap/Rock! Bash Avril for being Pop/Punk! Crush originality and grind the process of new music to a halt like watch gears that were suddenly jammed up by a 3 day old poodle corpse!"

You're all tight asses.

Let the chick do what she wants. I'm not a fan, but, again, she isn't the freaking devil for trying something new and appealing to other groups of people (Which means that what she did is good and works. Personal tastes mean nothing. An even better example is that I don't like red peppers. But I ain't cursing the God that invented them or the foolhardy men who put them in the first pepper platter, am I?)

But, since you really want to hear what I think of her, I think she's swell. It's Rock Pop, and I'm a supporter of all rock pop, even if I don't like it much. REM and U2 can't do all the work to keep the genre alive. We'll need new blood like Avril if we want to keep the styles of BS (Britney Spears) or J. Lo from dominating. (Actually, rap is dominating, and I don't like rap, so I really would like to hear some decent music coming from other genres. I only listen to oldies rock because I have no real choice.)

And Shlup, exactly WHO has meaningful lyrics these days?

[TheAbominatrix]

Well, like other 'pop punk' stars, she's built her popularity on a fad. Once this trend fades, so will her popularity, unless she rides whatever new fad comes up next. It's just like the 'pop princess' fad we had not too long ago (and which still exists, and is returning in full force). To have staying power, your music and your band in general should defy these fads and find a unique niche, which I dont believe Avril or bands like Simple Plan have.

I don't see why she can't, Madonna's been riding fads successfully for almost 20 years.

As I said, she'd have to ride the next fad or risk fading away.

edit: Martyr, you'll note that there's no vestiges of punk in her music. It's pop music with guitars, marketed as punk to help it sell to the current demographic.

[Shlup]

But Madonna did it with zest, by being a brazen whore, which made her memorable and easily marketable. Avril isn't crossing enough lines to end up anything but a shameful memory from childhood, in my opinion. But we shall see...

EDIT, in response to Martyr: I don't consider myself to be against her because I think she's mixing pop and punk. I think she's a pop singer who's feeding off a punk image that her music does not fit. At all. It's not about blending music styles, it's about being one thing and saying you're another.

I mean, if you're going to buy into labeling yourself, at least do so accurately.

[Rye]

But Madonna did it with zest, by being a brazen whore, which made her memorable and easily marketable. Avril isn't crossing enough lines to end up anything but a shameful memory from childhood, in my opinion. But we shall see...

EDIT, in response to Martyr: I don't consider myself to be against her because I think she's mixing pop and punk. I think she's a pop singer who's feeding off a punk image that her music does not fit. At all. It's not about blending music styles, it's about being one thing and saying you're another.

I mean, if you're going to buy into labeling yourself, at least do so accurately.

My main reason for not liking her is her total lack of vocal talent, but I agree with that a lot too, she's like "OMGZ I AM PUNX I KIK UR AZZ" but then she sings songs about sk8er boiz.

[TheAbominatrix]

To further strengthen what Mandee said... if I put on a cowboy hat, boots, and the whole ensemble (we'll say they're cheap and rhinestone studed, because Avril doesnt even really dress punk, and yes I can provide photo evidence for that) and proceed to rap, does that mean I'm blending rap and country?

edit: And I shall quote the mighty Tyler Durden "Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."

[Camanche]

I don't see why she can't, Madonna's been riding fads successfully for almost 20 years.But let's hope it never comes to that. :p

I don't like Madonna much, but at least she comes up with interesting/innovative stuff. She sets fashion trends man. XD

EDIT:
*realizes that Avril has sparked the "IM PUNK CUZ I WEAR A TIE!!!!!!" trend*

..Oh dear God, no.......



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shlup]

"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
*high five*

The wisdom of Tyler Durden.

[DMKA]

I'm still waiting on a lawsuit from her, actually. :D

[Camanche]

That made me smile. :)

[Razo]

If I was at my own computer I'd link to an old article on her that I found interesting...

*Googles "Avril Sucks"*

It's the first thing that came up. xD

http://www.recroommagazine.com/articles/avril.htm :lol: :roll:

I think Avril Lavigne is really good though :)

[Rye]

I'm still waiting on a lawsuit from her, actually. :D

I love that. xD

[Rinen]

To put my opinion in plain and simple, I dont like her. Just like how I hate a lot of bands nowadays. They are a bunch of clones that probably had their way paid off by their parents. What I like about Avril Lavigne is her literary translated name, April The Grape. That's about it on my part.

[Vyk]

When I saw this title I knew it was going to become a b*tch fest thread. I like her. But I'm not gonna spark anything. I actually admire her. But it appears some would say that's only because I don't know enough about her. I do recall an interview where she got mad at people like this that hate her for being some poser punk when she never said she was punk in the first place. Someone want to show me where/when she started calling herself punk? Or are all you assuming as well just so you can refer to her as a poser too? (:

I just like her style. Especially now that she doesn't try so hard to wear the ugliest things she can find. She finds darker versions of "normal" clothes. And I think it suits her better. It's like what I would wear, sans going to hot topic and going over board. But even as "trendy" as that place is, I'd still shop there just for my own personal look. Forget trends and fads. Everyone can be themselves. If it seems similar to something who cares. Not everyone wants to be labelled for their likes. Then there's others who don't care. And those that try to become a certain stereotype. But still... who cares?

I admire the people that just don't like her personality and/or singing/lyrics. Everything else is just really immature, and shallow image-based BS...

[TheAbominatrix]

Well, her music is called punk by her promoters (and I assume by her), and I've watched an interview when she first came out and I had no idea who she was, where they asked her about punk bands and she talked about how punk she was. I cant remember exactly what was said, though.

As for actual quotes:
-" In a recent magazine article, Avril proclaimed, "I don't write 'Oh-baby-baby' songs. I'm a skater punk who writes guitar driven rock." "
-From nationalpost.com "When it is suggested that even then her tastes were kind of pop-oriented, her head snaps up as though she's been slapped. 'New country,' she says, as though pop music is somehow less cool than new country. Then again, it seems any music is better than pop music in Lavigne's eyes. Later, when it is mentioned that she seems poised for pop stardom, she is quick to correct. 'No, no, no. Rock stardom,' she says forcefully. 'I don't like using the term pop star because that's not my personality. My personality is like a rock star. I'm hardcore.'" (not exactly punk, but hardcore)
-"I created Punk for this day and age. Do you see Britney walking around wearing ties and singing punk? Hell no. That's what I do. I'm like a Sid Vicious for a new generation." from Bramy Quote

I'm sure there's more, but I dont wanna search very much.

I really dont think anyone's bitching, and I feel it's unfair to say that. People are expressing their opinions on her, good and bad.

[DMKA]

-"I created Punk for this day and age. Do you see Britney walking around wearing ties and singing punk? Hell no. That's what I do. I'm like a Sid Vicious for a new generation." from Bramy Quote
*DIES*

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I'm a skater punk who writes guitar driven rock.What.
My personality is like a rock star. I'm hardcore.
I created Punk for this day and age. Do you see Britney walking around wearing ties and singing punk? Hell no. That's what I do. I'm like a Sid Vicious for a new generation.AGH

<img src="http://norbert-x.com/rock/userfiles/Kishi/itoldu.gif" alt="Jesus Christ somebody shoot her.">

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Yet another reason to listen to classical, where the only thing you have to worry about is some unoriginal bastard coming around, stealing a good piece, and raping it repeatedly. And then you can give them hell. And order returns to the world.

[Vyk]

Hmm... I guess it all boils down to what YOU (general people) consider hardcore and punk ^_^ Which obviously most disagree with her on. But I'd certainly take her over Britteny Spears...

[theundeadhero]

In case you can't recognize sarcasm the only reason secret Avy Lavignry lover was in my sig was to pester psy. Girls that wear ties make me wanna puke and she has nothing on Sid Vicous. Never mind the poser punk, here's the sex pistols!

[Jack]

She is a mediocre artist who sings in a terribly annoying accent which grates againist skin. Oh yeah, and she sings basic agnst which is rather pointless.

Oh yeah: She said her second album was inspired by repeated listens to The Smashing Pumpkins who she called "great". (She said her older band mates gave it to her). There is no sign of anything Smashing Pumpkins in her second album believe me.
This is a lie. I hate liars on a good day. I hate Pop "But I'm really Punk (Honest *LIES*)" liars worst of all.

[Rusty]

Avril seems to really have it out for Britney. It's like she's constantly always looking for a time to insult her and her music, simply because she doesn't seem to like it. I reckon she feels intimidated.

I don't like Avril's music or her so called 'punk' style or her voice.

[Dr.K]

I don't like her bias towards image over music or her overblown sense of "yeah, I made it. I'm up with the big boys now".
And as for "Sid Vicious for a new generation"...not only is it insanely lame to try and imitate former musical icons...that's just insanely hilarious anyway :p

[Sir Edeon X]

I love Avril and I think she's hot! She's becoming a sex symbol, now!
Her songs are great and I LOVE the lyrics. Can't wait for the next album. :love:

[Lindy]

Hmm... I guess it all boils down to what YOU (general people) consider hardcore and punk
Honestly, you'd have to be an idiot to consider her hardcore or punk, no matter how loose your definition, her "music" doesn't fit into those genres at all.

She used to be a folk singer, I believe, and her whole image was formed and marketed by her record company. Everything she does, wears and even the way she acts is what she's told to do. All thought up by a bunch of record company execs who know exactly how to lead around meek little children who have no will of own and follow a crowd like sheep.

...We need more wolves.

[Devourment]

I'd rather let someone eat my own head very slowly with a scalpel whilst the lower half of my body is dipped in boiling hot water than listen to her music. Nuff.

[Vyk]

Honestly she certainly reminds me of those skater punk lackies from high school. Who were more druggies than punk anything. I don't think she's trying to group herself with the dudes that have foot long mohawks that are dyed green or anything. They were referred to as "alternatives" back then. But they listened to anything their favorite label company told them to. A lot of those type of people adore Marilyn Manson for what seemed like no better reason than simply being different, and/or shocking. And talk about someone who's only out for an image... He's the embodiment. So really it's just personal experience. Which is what I was getting at in that statement. I'm guessing the "punk" group is different now, and different still in other parts of the country.

[Devourment]

I would label it more 'Pop Punk' than 'Skater Punk'.

[Lindy]

A lot of those type of people adore Marilyn Manson for what seemed like no better reason than simply being different, and/or shocking. And talk about someone who's only out for an image... He's the embodiment.
He doesn't lie about the style of music he writes (or co-writes in some cases) and performs, nor does he claim credit for other people's work, and while I may not like him in particular, I respect him a damn lot more than Avril Lavigne.

It's not just about image, it's about Avril trying to portray herself as something she isn't, never has been, and never will be, which is "punk" or "hardcore".

[Vyk]

I would label it more 'Pop Punk' than 'Skater Punk'

LoL I wouldn't label the dudes from High School as "Pop Punk". I was drawing a comparison.

Really, the Alternatives were new-age hippies. Obviously the skater punk is just the new Alternative.

I realize you might be turned off if you consider someone a liar. But some people are seriously dwelling on this. Like they consider themselves punk and hardcore and are insulted that she's classing herself with them.

[Lindy]

It's not a matter of people who are punk or hardcore being annoyed, it's just the matter of a few simple things.

1. She's talentless
2. She doesn't write her own songs or play instruments, yet she passes off her "music" as though she does
3. Her vocals on the album are VERY much touched up and smoothed out, her real voice is well below sub-par
4. She lies, she lies about where she got her image from, she lies about her musical style, she just plain LIES.
5. She has a very much vaunted opinion of herself, her "music" and her importance in the world of music, and I really hate people with huge egos and nothing to back it up.
6. The disgusting "style" she's spawned, and that nobody can get away with wearing a tie now without being asked if they're a fan of Avril Lavigne. Ugh, honestly, I see it all the time.

[TheAbominatrix]

Punk has been a very specific style (of both clothing and music) since the late 70's, and it hasnt changed. She's clearly going for a watered down version of that, especially with her comparisons to Sid Vicious. Sid, as the rest of the Sex Pistols, was known for his over-the-top attitude and general disregard for all basic morals, along with being one of the forefathers of punk rock.

[Pure Strife]

Punk has been a very specific style (of both clothing and music) since the late 70's, and it hasnt changed. She's clearly going for a watered down version of that, especially with her comparisons to Sid Vicious. Sid, as the rest of the Sex Pistols, was known for his over-the-top attitude and general disregard for all basic morals, along with being one of the forefathers of punk rock.

Despite not actually playing on any of the records, from what I've heard. Which shows it's all style no substance there, and image based on an attitude rather than any great musical talent. Sound familiar?


1. She's talentless
2. She doesn't write her own songs or play instruments, yet she passes off her "music" as though she does
3. Her vocals on the album are VERY much touched up and smoothed out, her real voice is well below sub-par
4. She lies, she lies about where she got her image from, she lies about her musical style, she just plain LIES.
5. She has a very much vaunted opinion of herself, her "music" and her importance in the world of music, and I really hate people with huge egos and nothing to back it up.
6. The disgusting "style" she's spawned, and that nobody can get away with wearing a tie now without being asked if they're a fan of Avril Lavigne. Ugh, honestly, I see it all the time.

That covers it a lot better than I put it.

[Armisael]

2. She doesn't write her own songs or play instruments, yet she passes off her "music" as though she does
Have you ever take a look inside her discs?She has written all of her songs!(either the music or lyrics)

[Rye]

Yeah, Lindy summed it up well there. I dunno about you guys, but it just plain disgusts me when people listen to a SINGING artist, not caring about the vocals or anything, just how big the artists' chest is (if it's a girl) or if he/she is "ttly kewl nd knawt lyk BRITNEY SPEEEEARS."

Because as much as I hate Britney, since she can't sing either (she practically TALKS in her songs), at least she doesn't pretend to be something she's not. I'm sure she KNOWS she's an entertainer and not a talented singer.

If people judged artists by their vocal talent or whatever talent they're supposed to be displayed rather than how good they look, I'd say about half of Hollywood and celebrities would be non-existant. It makes me wanna puke when people are like "HEY OMGZ X-TINA IS TTLY SUX BUT AVRIL RAWX" when it's beyond obvious that Christina is one of the most talented singers today and Avril is just a walking Hot Topic billboard with a half a brain thrown in.

PS: I'm not dissing Hot Topic, I like the store, I just hate the people who shop there and think they're "soooo bad@zz."

My rant is done now. :)

[Lindy]

...

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry, I can't stop laughing at that.

So, I went and looked at the CDs which my sister happens to own.

In "Let Go", there is no mention of WHO wrote the lyrics and songs, trying to hide something are we?

In "Under the Skin" it's all "Avril Lavigne & 'someone or other'".

Besides, if she did write anything, it would only be the lyrics and they're pretty disgustingly terrible and angsty anyway.

[Camanche]

I can't believe she compared herself to Sid Vicous.....

ROTFL

[theundeadhero]

Maybe Avvy will go on a herione binge and not remember if she killed her lover too. *Hopes*

[DMKA]

Well I mean she's just plain idiotic as a person too. Once in a magazine she said something like "Look at Shakira. How the hell did she get a record deal? Like, she can't even speak English omgz!" >___>

At first I didn't mind her. I thought she was even on the "ok" side. BUt after reading all the utter crap that spews out of her mouth and hearing the lyrics to Sk8er Boi (along with the title spelling), I pretty much developed this...piece of my dying soul dedicated to polting her defeat.

I mean a handful of her music is semi-standable, but frankly, that's not what pisses me off about her...it's her whole "omgz i am like, totally punk! and everyone else is like, total posers! ZOMGF THERE'S HANSON MUST GET AUTOGRAPH!@11".

I remember on MTV2 I saw an interview between her and Giddeon Yego about her breakout song that made her famous, "Complicated", and she said the song was about people "being fake". I laugh everytime I think about it.

But I don't think anything she's said managed to make me laugh as much as "I grew up on the mean streets of Canada". XD

[Camanche]

She actually said that? "I grew up on the mean streets of Canada?" O_o

*dies*

Oh, wait.. *comes back to life*

On behalf of all Canadians everywhere, I'd like to apologize for Avril Lavigne.

...mean streets of Canada... sheesh.....

EDIT: Well, wait.... was she being sarcastic when she said that? PLEASE tell me she was being sacastic. Someone can't be that lame/stupid, can they? I mean, Canada doesn't exactly have MEAN streets when compared to the rest of the world. Or hell, even just to the States.

[krissy]

im assumin most of the things she says are sarcasm or intended to get a rise out of people, and look, i think its working

[Resha]

I think she's fake and that's about all there is to it. The music isn't awful, but the lyrics are terribly juvinile. I also have little to no respect for "artists" who just sing what and how they're told by those who manufacture them.

I probably wouldn't mind her nearly as much if it weren't for the fact that she seems to think she's punk. I felt bad having to explain to sixth graders who thought she was punk and that they were punk for liking her that they are, by all definitions of the label, not punk. They looked sad. xD

If I was at my own computer I'd link to an old article on her that I found interesting...

*Googles "Avril Sucks"*

It's the first thing that came up. xD

http://www.recroommagazine.com/articles/avril.htm

:<3: Marry me?!

Everything Shlup said...and MORE. She's such a poser. How often can one say that she's a punk and act like a hormonal little kid?! >=/ AND I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES OF HER WEARING THAT STUPID PINK SKIRT IN HER VIDEOS. For such a punky, rocker, sk8er chick she sure likes her pink skirts. :rolleyes2

[DMKA]

im assumin most of the things she says are sarcasm or intended to get a rise out of people, and look, i think its working
I wish I could believe that. =/

[MecaKane]

Because as much as I hate Britney, since she can't sing either (she practically TALKS in her songs), at least she doesn't pretend to be something she's not. I'm sure she KNOWS she's an entertainer and not a talented singer.
"Virgin" "Slut" "Lesbian" "Married woman" "Poor girl hounded by the media"

Also, why is everyone portraying anyone who likes Avril Lavigne(or anyone else they want to look down on, but that's not the point right now) as someone who types like a retard? The few people who like her here can type and use some grammar! So stfu, it's just stupid, there are just as many stupid kids typing like idiots about what a whore she is on anti sites as there are typing about how much of a punk rocker she is on pro sites.

[Lindy]

Kane, there's like, two or three people saying that. It's hardly everyone.

Did people touch a nerve and are you secretly and Avril fan, or are you just feeling bitter and random?

[Destai]

Ive always enjoyed her music and probably will continue to. I like light watered down genres of anything so she suits me perfectly. She wrote very little if anything on her first album which was all pop except for the odd song. The second album was mostly her writings which you can easily recognise because of how god awful they are. I mean seriously. Its like an eight year old re-writing evanescense. The *ANGST* is so forced in every song. If you like rock pop you can enjoy the songs. What can I say. The songs sound good. Ive always liked her voice.

My one major dislike of both her and Ashlee Simpson are the huge and pathethic ordeals they make of trying to come off as anything other than pop or to rephrase it, to come off as rock/punk. The both make huge attempts to be these brilliantly "deep" music artists. Sorry ladies, you aint that deep. Apparently being deep includes slagging Britney Spears. One thing I will ALWAYS respect Britney for regardless of what I think of her music is that she can do her job and shes damn good at it. Though theyve probably improved both those artists love to sing live and from my expierience with Avril and Ashlee theyre both desperate live singers. Funny enough that ties in with what I was saying about them both trying to be deep. *COUGHsnlCOUGH*

[fire_of_avalon]

Poseur. Cough. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=poseur)

I don't like her. I did like her first CD when I was in highschool, but I'm not in highschool anymore.

You can like her, that's fine by me.

Calling herself the Sid Vicious of this generation is laughable and just proves not only the fact that she's a hack, but that she has no knowledge whatsoever of the history she claims to embrace.

Dimmkah, that mp3 is the most hilariousest thing ever.

[eden knight]

I think Avril is a good singer.I can't say that i liked her first disc,but the songs Nobody's Home and Happy Ending from her second disc made me like her.I believe she has a good voice and she is very yound and has achieved lot of things.

[Rye]

I think Avril is a good singer.I can't say that i liked her first disc,but the songs Nobody's Home and Happy Ending from her second disc made me like her.I believe she has a good voice and she is very yound and has achieved lot of things.

Those two songs were written by ex-member(s) of Evanescence, actually.

[Armisael]

Those two songs were written by ex-member(s) of Evanescence, actually.
Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that Avril sings them..And they weren't written totally by them..

[TheAbominatrix]

Punk has been a very specific style (of both clothing and music) since the late 70's, and it hasnt changed. She's clearly going for a watered down version of that, especially with her comparisons to Sid Vicious. Sid, as the rest of the Sex Pistols, was known for his over-the-top attitude and general disregard for all basic morals, along with being one of the forefathers of punk rock.

Despite not actually playing on any of the records, from what I've heard. Which shows it's all style no substance there, and image based on an attitude rather than any great musical talent. Sound familiar?


Are we talking about punk in general, or The Sex Pistols? I'll assume the latter, if the former, say so and I'll respond to that properly.

The Sex Pistols are not at all a good example of actual punk rock, (for examples, see The Adicts, The Lower Class Brats, Subhumans, The Buzzcocks, The Circle Jerks, and so on) though they are most certainly punk, I'd just chose a better example when trying to make a statement, if it were up to me. From what I remember offhand, Sid was added to the band simply because of his over-the-top, wild behavior and not for talent. This was in a time where actual, honest-to-God punk was getting a lot of media attention. Sid was there for style, and subtance is up to the listener. The Sex Pistols (I'm not even a huge fan of them myself) at least have a leg up on Ms. Lavinge in the sense that they wrote their own songs and played their own instruments (Avril doesnt play her guitar in an live preformance, which leads me to believe she cant play it at all, and it's for show), but their popularity certainly had to do with the style, rather than the substance, especially in Sid's case.

That doesnt make Avril the Sid Vicious of her generation. That name was chosen for her statement, no doubt, because of the easy recognizable name. Your average person has a good idea of who Sid Vicious is, but if she'd said "I'm the Billy Bones of this generation" (in reference to the lead singer of The Skulls), no one would know who she meant. Even Glenn Danzig (formerly of The Misfits) isnt as recognizable as a name. Avril certainly fits in to the all style, no substance schlock, but there have been plenty of those people over the years. Countless really. She made the statement to be 'punk rock', and in that sense she isnt like Sid Vicious at all. She has none of his over-the-top attitude, none of his disregard for authority, and certainly not his drug habit, that poser (xD kidding).

[Vyk]

Hmm o.o

Well, since you seemed to be offended by my "b*tch fest" statement. I want to take a moment to apologise. It didn't include you. Like I said, I admire those that at least hate Avril for what she is or isn't and not just freak over the other end of the image crap. You seem to be able to tear her apart. In fact you tear everything apart. You don't seem all that argumentive, but you kick ass in a debate. Kudos.

If I wasn't already taken I think I might attempt courting you... ;P (J/K)

[TheAbominatrix]

Hmm o.o

Well, since you seemed to be offended by my "b*tch fest" statement. I want to take a moment to apologise. It didn't include you. Like I said, I admire those that at least hate Avril for what she is or isn't and not just freak over the other end of the image crap. You seem to be able to tear her apart. In fact you tear everything apart. You don't seem all that argumentive, but you kick ass in a debate. Kudos.

If I wasn't already taken I think I might attempt courting you... ;P (J/K)

I wasnt at all offended, so dont worry. I just get on a roll when I'm talking about things, and go with it. I wrote that just as I crawled out of bed, so I didnt even remember the bitch fest comment. <3 And thank you very much.

Huzzah, I almost scoreded!

[Apollo]

Meh, she's okay.

[Psychotic]

Also, why is everyone portraying anyone who likes Avril Lavigne(or anyone else they want to look down on, but that's not the point right now) as someone who types like a retard? The few people who like her here can type and use some grammar! So stfu, it's just stupid, there are just as many stupid kids typing like idiots about what a whore she is on anti sites as there are typing about how much of a punk rocker she is on pro sites.When she releases songs named things like Sk8er Boi, why do you think? :rolleyes2

[escobert]

Because it's a beutifully written song

[Resha]

he wuz a sk8er boi she sed c u l8er boi,he wuznt gud enuff 4 her,she had a pretty face...Oh no, wait. That sentence uses proper english. :(

It is beautifully written, but even then..SHE DIDN'T WRITE IT. ;)

[Jack]

Just cause she didn't write it doesn't take anything from it.
However, because of her attitude of acting like a TRUE Punk Rocker and a PROPER artist (unlike Britney in Avril's mind) it makes it more of a damning point.

[Polaris]

I like 'Happy Ending' and 'I'm with you', they're cool and she's pretty awsome too!

[Emerald Aeris]

Just cause she didn't write it doesn't take anything from it.
However, because of her attitude of acting like a TRUE Punk Rocker and a PROPER artist (unlike Britney in Avril's mind) it makes it more of a damning point.

Please, please say you're joking. I thought everyone knew she was about as punk as Paris Hilton, and her songs she doesn't write are about as poetic as the back of a cereal box.

[Destai]

....about as poetic as the back of a cereal box.Oh thats good, I have to write that down.

[theundeadhero]

I likes cerial boxes! :p

[Pure Strife]

That doesnt make Avril the Sid Vicious of her generation. That name was chosen for her statement, no doubt, because of the easy recognizable name. Your average person has a good idea of who Sid Vicious is, but if she'd said "I'm the Billy Bones of this generation" (in reference to the lead singer of The Skulls), no one would know who she meant. Even Glenn Danzig (formerly of The Misfits) isnt as recognizable as a name. Avril certainly fits in to the all style, no substance schlock, but there have been plenty of those people over the years. Countless really. She made the statement to be 'punk rock', and in that sense she isnt like Sid Vicious at all. She has none of his over-the-top attitude, none of his disregard for authority, and certainly not his drug habit, that poser (xD kidding).

I hate it when people know what they're talking about.

My basic point was that in a way, she was like Sid Vicious because she is where she is because of how she acted and what she did, not because she had talent, which you picked up on. Whatever the specifics of what Sid did are irrelevant there though, because it comes down to the same thing even if she respects authority or whatever. It irks me to hear Sid Vicious called a great bass player (not something that happens all that often, I'll admit) because he didn't play any better than the guy from Good Charlotte. However, even Good Charlotte are a band I'd be more inclined to catagorise as punk than Avril because like the Sex Pistols, they write their own songs (however bad), and play them too.

So hearing Avril touted as a great artist/songwriter is equally annoying because she has everything "co-written", and has said in two different interviews that a) she wrote all the songs on Let Go herself at a young age, and b) said they were co-written in another one. Though I'd be bloody astounded if anyone who actually got paid to help her wrote the verse lyrics for Don't Tell Me on the second album, for instance.

So my beef is with the poser thing, and passing yourself off to clueless individuals as something you blatantly aren't (though I doubt Sid himself made any claims about musical greatness, he's not that great an example because it's more others who hyped him than himself), not with punk in general, if that's how the Sid Vicious comment came off.

[Imperia]

I don't like her. She's too full of hate. I look right and to her eyes, and I see no light at all. I'm sorry, but I don't like singers that have bad attitudes.

[Camanche]

They're like black holes. So is her heart.

[DMKA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/devilmaykickass/avril_before.jpg

[Destai]

They're like black holes. So is her heart.I think thats what shes going for.
DMKA sorry but I cant see anything wrong with that picture.

[Ouch!]

To be quite honest, Avril's songs have always annoyed me. She's not a particularly good vocalist and whether she writes her songs are not, the lyrics aren't anything special either.

Like many others, it's her attitude that gets to me. Sure, she lies a lot. Contradicts herself quite often. What really gets me, though, is her super-inflated ego. She thinks she's some kind of musical superstar. Her main fan-base is pre-teen girls. Her music is pop whether she'll admit it or not. She's no better than Mrs. Spears. She is a Mrs. now, right? I could have sworn I heard something about her getting married.

Either way, overall she's just an annoying person with no real redeeming qualities that give me any reason to respect or even remotely like her or her music.

Besides, spelling Sk8ter Boi like a ten-year-old AOLer is hardly punk. In fact, it's degrading. She should be ashamed of herself.

Maybe in years to come she'll realize what she is and then actually develope some real style and become a half decent musician. That, however, is highly unlikely.

[DMKA]

DMKA sorry but I cant see anything wrong with that picture.
Look at the logo on the laptop.

[Ouch!]

She's using a mac! What a loser! >_>;;

[Shlup]

This thread has grown to be very amusing.

I don't like labeling at all, in general, whether it be Avril or Sid or your mom, so I don't really have anything else to say. I just don't like fakes.

[Lindy]

I label Shlup as being correct.

[TheAbominatrix]

I hate it when people know what they're talking about.

My basic point was that in a way, she was like Sid Vicious because she is where she is because of how she acted and what she did, not because she had talent, which you picked up on. Whatever the specifics of what Sid did are irrelevant there though, because it comes down to the same thing even if she respects authority or whatever. It irks me to hear Sid Vicious called a great bass player (not something that happens all that often, I'll admit) because he didn't play any better than the guy from Good Charlotte. However, even Good Charlotte are a band I'd be more inclined to catagorise as punk than Avril because like the Sex Pistols, they write their own songs (however bad), and play them too.

So hearing Avril touted as a great artist/songwriter is equally annoying because she has everything "co-written", and has said in two different interviews that a) she wrote all the songs on Let Go herself at a young age, and b) said they were co-written in another one. Though I'd be bloody astounded if anyone who actually got paid to help her wrote the verse lyrics for Don't Tell Me on the second album, for instance.

So my beef is with the poser thing, and passing yourself off to clueless individuals as something you blatantly aren't (though I doubt Sid himself made any claims about musical greatness, he's not that great an example because it's more others who hyped him than himself), not with punk in general, if that's how the Sid Vicious comment came off.

Agreed, and well said. I certainly share that same annoyance.

[UltimaLimit]

If Avril Lavigne wishes to smurf up her career with that stuff she calls music, that's her business--sooner or later people will get fed up with her and stop liking her.

However, her insistence on butchering other peoples' good songs (like Chop Suey!) gives me a strong desire to inflict grevious bodily harm.

...shouldn't have thought about that for more than two seconds. :mad: Pardon me while I go break something.

[theundeadhero]

Every time I hear I'm with you I always unconsciously replace it with I sniff glue.

OH, why is everything so confusing?
Maybe it's cause I sniff so much glue?!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Glue, glue, glue.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Glue, glue, glue.
Gluuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Take me by the hand take me somewhere new.
I don't know who you are but I,
I sniff gluuueeeeeeee!
I sniff gluuueeeeeeee!
I sniff glue.

[Armisael]

She is a Mrs. now, right? I could have sworn I heard something about her getting married.

Is it wrong for someone to get married?

[Garnie]

i guess shes okay .but i dont like her rude girl image it doesnt suit. part from that shes good :save: :save: :save: :save: :save: :cat: :save: :save: :save:

[Rostum]

She is a Mrs. now, right? I could have sworn I heard something about her getting married.

Is it wrong for someone to get married?

He never said it was wrong, not even remotely mentioned it.

[Armisael]

She is a Mrs. now, right? I could have sworn I heard something about her getting married.

Is it wrong for someone to get married?

He never said it was wrong, not even remotely mentioned it.
Because it sounded to me like "Oh Avril she's getting married,haha" like something wrong..Anyway you guys have your own opinions and of course i respect them..

[Rostum]

Because it sounded to me like "Oh Avril she's getting married,haha" like something wrong..Anyway you guys have your own opinions and of course i respect them..

Hehe, he was talking about Britney Spears. He just wasn't sure if she was married or not.

Anyways, I agree with anyone that has negative things to say about her. =)

[Armisael]

Hehe, he was talking about Britney Spears. He just wasn't sure if she was married or not.
Oh yeah sorry my mistake ^_^
Btw her song "Slipped Away" dedicated to her grandfather has taken good critiques even from those who hate Avril!That's a good surprise!

[Gwelenguchenkus]

Someone made me listen to some of her music, and I did not like it. Especially sk8ter Boi. It was absolutely vomitous.

[Armisael]

As i can see most hate Avril's music of her first cd..

[Lindy]

No, I think most people hate all of her music, not just the first CD.

Just that all her most prominent songs were off the first CD, the second was just as mediocre but less "hyped".

[Resha]

I remember a time when everyone...EVERYONE would sing "Complicated". Argha. I bought her CD then, because I was oh-so-cool, wasn't I?

I bought a pirated copy for 10 bucks, though. Don't tell anyone! ^.^

[Anakin]

Her first CD totally sucked,but the second one is a little better.
I think she is beautiful but she is not "the voice".The only songs that i like:Nobody's Home,Slipped Away.
And Complicated is one of the worst songs i have ever heard,not to mention about its clip.

[theundeadhero]

I actually liked the first Cd more than the second.

[Armisael]

I actually liked the first Cd more than the second.
And i liked the second more than the first!Of course first rocks too but the second..I don't know,seems more mature..

[Lankyman]

She's sort of an average singer with some catchy tunes, but she is mega hot :love: so personally i'll let her off...I can see why a lot of people don't like her a lot tho.

[Strawberry Gashes]

She isn't that hot. Any attractiveness is just the large amount of make-up she piles on her face. Without it, she looks like Axl Rose, but worse.

[Lankyman]

She isn't that hot. Any attractiveness is just the large amount of make-up she piles on her face. Without it, she looks like Axl Rose, but worse.

LOL, I guess I just have a soft spot for skater chicks with too much make-up. :love:

[Optium]

It's not even mediocre. It's just <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

and what the hell is a skater chick?

.opt

[TheAbominatrix]

Not many of us can honestly say we look alright without our make up (by that I mean my fellow females), so yeah she is pretty fugly without it, but I am too so I wont complain xD. 100 dollar make up applied by professionals does wonders.

Skater chick = chick who skateboards.

[Optium]

I think there's more to it than the act of skateboarding, my sister uses
my board every once in a while but she doesn't wear retarded bracelets
made of the top part of socks or stuff with studs in it. :p

The whole "sk8er" thing is just silly in my opinion, that's really what I'm
getting at I guess.

I just hate fashion in general. An art so repulsive it must be changed every
few days. Bleh.

But yeah, I know a huge number of girls who are extremely pretty without
makeup. The fact that they refuse to wear it just makes them so much
hotter.

.opt

[TheAbominatrix]

There's the style aspect as well, but usually when one says 'skater', they're refering to someone who skateboards.

Most men dont find women attractive without make up. Some do. Many women dont look good without it. Some do. Avril is a prime example of one who doesnt.

[Optium]

But most men are idiots. :\

.opt

[TheAbominatrix]

I wont argue with you on that one xD

[Shlup]

An art so repulsive it must be changed every few days.
Best definition of "fashion" ever. xD

[Xander]

I like her music, so I listen to it. She's pretty cute. The other stuff I don't care about really.

[Shlup]

XANDER IS A TOOL OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY'S MONEY MACHINE.

:<3:

[Pure Strife]

Axl Rose... That's a new one. If she were ginger and wearing hotpants... phwoar.

I love how so many Avril threads turn onto how she looks without makeup, it really does show how shallow we all are.

[Shlup]

I think she looks fine without makeup, personally. :p

[Levian]

Yes, it was only a matter of time before the make up issue started. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm pretty annoyed and a tad disappointed in how some of you have approached Avril's music and this issue in general. You over-analyze stuff. "Omg this girl is an emo kid who smashes guitars, I hate her music" Wait, you hate her music because she smashes guitars she's never touched before? That sounds reasonable. Why don't you try listening to the music and make an opinion out of what you hear through songs instead of what other tells you. Music is music. I'm not going to dislike someone's music just because I don't like the person. I actually like a lot of 80's music, but oh how horrible they all looked and acted.

Knowing you people, you're probably going to think that I like Avril and her music and that I'm trying to defend her. Well, you're 33% right. I don't care about how she acts, that's none of my business, I don't like her music, It's just not my style (her songs is a bit boring), but I am defending her, because she's got a lot of undeserved trash thrown at her. Grow up.

[Shlup]

Giving your support to someone who you feel goes against your values or whatever moral hullaballo you want to use because you like the product they're trying to sell you is douchery. That's like... some kind of an example I would think of if it wasn't five in the morning. Something about being a sell out or tool or something I'm sure. It's like, "Hey, you lie about stuff to make money and think you're more important than you really are. Here's $20! Hooray!"

Besides the fact that I don't like Avril's music 'cause... it isn't good. ^_^

*goes to sleep*

[Pure Strife]

Knowing you people, you're probably going to think that I like Avril and her music and that I'm trying to defend her. Well, you're 33% right. I don't care about how she acts, that's none of my business, I don't like her music, It's just not my style (her songs is a bit boring), but I am defending her, because she's got a lot of undeserved trash thrown at her. Grow up.

80's music? Ok, say it turned out Kirk Hammet didn't write a single one of those Metallica solos, it was all "co-written" - sure, he could perform it, but I'd be pissed off that the guy had become one of the world's most well known guitarists by claiming he had written all this material himself when he blatantly hadn't. Why? Because I can, dammit.

As for the music, well each to their own, it appeals to those it's targeted at - teenage girls with "relationship issues" who want to be "different"(and no offense to them, but you're a demographic, we all fit into at least one), and it's not my thing at all. So I don't like her music because I think the lyrics are horribly poor and I don't like how she makes false claims, I wouldn't say that was undeserved trash, just trash. Or, my opinion. Which is basically the point of a message board, no?

[Levian]

D'arr, Pure Strife posted right before me. *starts editing*

To Shlup:
Yeah, a lot of people I know thinks like that, and it annoys me. Especially when the music in question is actually good(Obviously not in this case). I find it horribly stupid to "dislike" music that you like just because the person singing it happens to prefer a different brand of tea than what you do.

To Strife:
Maybe you didn't read my entire post, so I'll cut my opinion into one sentence: It's perfectly fine to dislike a person for what he has done, but "disliking" music you actually like is hypocratic. So I wouldn't mind if you disliked the metallica guy for not writing his own lyrics, but I'd find it annoying if you decided to bash his music even though you actually would've liked it.

And when I said she had gotten a lot of undeserved trash thrown at her, I didn't say that some of the trash wasn't deserved, because some of the trash really was deserved. :p

[Shlup]

Putting the fact that Avril's music isn't good in the first place aside...

I think that supporting something that you think is wrong because it sounds/looks/feels/smells pretty is wrong. To me, buying the CDs of someone you think is a liar and a manufactured fraud is the same thing as... dammit, now it's 5:08am and my brain has shut off. The best example I can think of right now would be buying perfume that contains dead whale products 'cause you like the smell. I don't approve of killing whales, and I don't approve of being a fake. So I don't support those things.

So which is more "grown up": (1) Hearing something that sounds good, perhaps, but is based on a system of manufacturing entertainers that you disapprove of, along with promoting someone who you have found to be a fraud, then ignoring those things because, hey, it sounds good or (2) Taking the time to find out who or what you're giving your money to for the sake of standing by your morals?

Again, it's after five in the morning, so I apologize if that's hard to follow. When Ashley wakes up I'm sure she'll word it better. xD

I'm really going to sleep this time. -_- zzZZzZzzzz

[Levian]

Shlup:

That's called boycotting. You can still boycott something and like it at the same time. I'm just saying that denying that you like something even though you like it is hypocritical. I still stand by what I said about music though. Music should be listened to with an unbiased opinion, and then judge it for what it's worth based on the song solely. Sure, other opinions may come afterwards about the artist or whatever, but the song itself will not change, so why should your opinion about it do? I agree with you on the whale thing though, I'd boycott it, but I'd probably still like it, but probably not because it's dead whales, and they don't smell particular good, and I'm a male so I don't wear perfume. :roll:

[Pure Strife]

Maybe you didn't read my entire post, so I'll cut my opinion into one sentence: It's perfectly fine to dislike a person for what he has done, but "disliking" music you actually like is hypocratic. So I wouldn't mind if you disliked the metallica guy for not writing his own lyrics, but I'd find it annoying if you decided to bash his music even though you actually would've liked it.

And when I said she had gotten a lot of undeserved trash thrown at her, I didn't say that some of the trash wasn't deserved, because some of the trash really was deserved. :p

My excuse is that it's roughly 5:08am where Shlup lives, which is why I'm not reading right.

I got the impression you were having a go at everyone for bitching about her, and as we all know, the internet is for bitching and sharing pornography (and I'm all out of pornography). But no, I see the light now, my bad, you're the king of the world and such.

[Levian]

But no, I see the light now, my bad, you're the king of the world and such.

You're not so shabby yourself. Be my queen?

[Pure Strife]

I brought that upon myself.

[Optium]

You can thanks Oscar Wilde for that definition.

.opt

[Shlup]

Shlup:

That's called boycotting. You can still boycott something and like it at the same time. I'm just saying that denying that you like something even though you like it is hypocritical. I still stand by what I said about music though. Music should be listened to with an unbiased opinion, and then judge it for what it's worth based on the song solely. Sure, other opinions may come afterwards about the artist or whatever, but the song itself will not change, so why should your opinion about it do? I agree with you on the whale thing though, I'd boycott it, but I'd probably still like it, but probably not because it's dead whales, and they don't smell particular good, and I'm a male so I don't wear perfume. :roll:
I know what boycotting is. :p

And, yeah, I mostly agree with you. I still like things that I like, no matter what's behind them. I didn't say anything about forcing myself to not like them, just supporting them. Though it's kind of a moot point here since I don't like Avril's music anyway. :p

And dead whales do smell pretty good. They use animal fats in all kinds of make ups and crap. And you should consider wearing perfume; you stinky! :D

[Dingo Jellybean]

I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't really hate or dislike Avril.

Her music isn't that bad, but she's like the lone artist on the net who seems to be bashed upon more than anyone else. You might as well put her with the rap guys, judging from the reviews of her.

I've only seen her a few times on TV, and while that's not enough to judge her...I don't think she was this brat that people claimed to be. But gawd, she is small though. I mean really, Carson Daly looks like Shaq standing next to her.

[Shlup]

Naw, Ashlee Simpson gets it way worse than Avril.

[Rainecloud]

People seem to enjoy bashing her, so I say "just let them get on with it".

I wonder if she knows how much the world despises her?

[Armisael]

I wonder if she knows how much the world despises her?
I think i read in one of her interviews,that she enjoys seeing in forums,Avril-Haters..

[MecaKane]

I wonder if she knows how much the world despises her?
I think i read in one of her interviews,that she enjoys seeing in forums,Avril-Haters..
Of course she does, it means she's still relivant. You think anyone talks this much about Fred Durst? He's 1000 times worse than avril, but no one gives a crap about him anymore. He's on his way out. He WISHES people still cared enough to talk crap about him all over the internet.

[Rainecloud]

I wonder if she knows how much the world despises her?
I think i read in one of her interviews,that she enjoys seeing in forums,Avril-Haters..
Of course she does, it means she's still relivant. You think anyone talks this much about Fred Durst? He's 1000 times worse than avril, but no one gives a crap about him anymore. He's on his way out. He WISHES people still cared enough to talk crap about him all over the internet.

I like Fred Durst. ;_;

[Rye]

I think people don't talk about Fred Durst because they're trying to erase him from their memories. I know I am.

[Glendon]

Avril Lavigne has one good thing going for her. She's not Ashlee Simpson.

[Shlup]

Both of the last two posts made me laugh. xD

[Dingo Jellybean]

Naw, Ashlee Simpson gets it way worse than Avril.

Maybe I just visit these forums too much, but I've only seen one anti-AS thread, but 10's of anti-AL threads.

I still can't say I hate AL as much as some people. It's hard for me to hate someone I care so little about. But I do remember seeing an Avril concert on TV, she did this one song...had a guitar around her...and never played it. I thought it was just part of her shirt, like some fashion statement...until she strummed it once during another song. So then another song was played, she never touched it. So now I'm thinking "Hey, that's one nice shirt."

[Shlup]

There was a time when there were actual TV news reports about how Yahoo's top search was "Stop Ashlee Simpson" and such. Poor girl. xD

I dunno... I don't really see anyone here to actively hates her. You can have a negative opinion about someone or something without that opinion being a pillar of your existance.

[TheAbominatrix]

To my knowledge, Avril has never been booed by a stadium full of people. Ashlee gets it worse because she's actually screwed up so bad that even her fans saw she was a phoney.

This is only the second Avril thread I've seen here, but my memory is bad, so who knows?

[Levian]

It's funny how the talent needed to reach the top has changed. Years ago, you needed singing skills, playing skills or whatever to reach the top. Yay, Ashlee's talent is that she's related to Jessica Simpson, who also can't sing.

[Optium]

Eh, I don't know if I'd agree with that. The "top" of popular music has
never been full of very many talented people. Granted it took more talent
back before we got all this technology, but not all that much more. Look
at Sinatra.

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[Levian]

Well, I wasn't talking that far back. All you needed back then was money and the right contacts, and people would still listen to it because they had very few other options. Years later they got some company in the music industry and talent became more relevant.

[Destai]

As far as Ashlee goes I like her singing. She has a unique voice and thats not an insult. When she started out she really couldnt sing live but looking at her performances on her second series shes gotten the hang of singing properly. I dont think she took singing that seriously when she started out. I dont care much for her music but her attitude is very irritating. An episode of her show started out with her getting a hair cut, her mother made some comment and the rest of the show was Ashlee whoring about how her mother was a tring to control her life. Christ sake.

[Optium]

Well, I wasn't talking that far back. All you needed back then was money and the right contacts, and people would still listen to it because they had very few other options. Years later they got some company in the music industry and talent became more relevant.
When is this time when talent was relevant?

The bands which we see as classics now weren't always extremely
popular. It often happens that there are some very popular songs which
are very bad, and which fade from the public's eye (and/or ear) after a
little while. Then the songs which actually were good, regardless if they
actually got popular or not, are looked back on and seen as classics.

The greatest time for music in the 20th century, in my opinion, would be
between 1965 and 1975 with the peak around 69-72 (with the 30s at a
close second of course), but even in this time persiod, the charts show
tons and tons of horrible songs at the top.

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