Okay, so who determines that I'm spamming?

[Strider]

I'm referring mostly to my wonderful thread on Jesus H. Christ (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=61999). I'd just like to say I wasn't intending to spam or anything like that, and it wasn't until Neel mentioned anything that it went somewhat off-topic.

So who made that call? Just wondering.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

The thread got closed because Neel, Joy, and Resha decided to have a stupid slumber party in it. I usually give at least one warning to get back on topic before I close a thread that's going that way, but Estlin just isn't as kind or understanding as I am. In any case, not your fault.

[Strider]

Okay, cool. That's all I was really worried about.

[eestlinc]

Yea, I considered throwing a "back on topic" out but I figured it was futile. But the topic was valid enough, although probably open to spamming capabilites.

[Yamaneko]

Howie.

[Psychotic]

You no good spammers are ruining EoFF!

[Jojee]

I wasn't having a slumber party :p My answer was obviously the right one and I even explained it ^_~

Edit: Haha, to stick up for myself cos' no one else will xD


Holy, duh ;) On topic ^_^


Or Hottie ;) On topic. Just as likely as Horatio or Hindu or etc. as other people suggested ^_^


It's not spam! *whaps Neel* Don't I get a cookie? ;_; We're over!

Anyway, I was saying... it's HOLY! xD Cos' people always go Holy Christ! Y'know? The first part wasn't on topic, but the second part is. Explaining my opinion ^_^

See? Don't be evil and say it was my fault >_< When you post something like "What does [insert letter] stand for in [insert word/phrase]" obviously people are going to put silly things in like Hottie or Horatio or Hippopotamus.

[RSL]

Bad Monkey.

[Del Murder]

See? Don't be evil and say it was my fault >_< When you post something like "What does [insert letter] stand for in [insert word/phrase]" obviously people are going to put silly things in like Hottie or Horatio or Hippopotamus.
Yeah, but but not for every post. Just another example of how the young generation has lost the art of pacing oneself.

[Psychotic]

Yeah, but but not for every post. Just another example of how the young generation has lost the art of pacing oneself.Better than losing the art of having fun though, I suppose.

I have always considered threads such as the one being discussed to be chatting, rather than spamming, and what's the point of "General Chat" if not to chat? Why not call it "General Please Post Entirely On Topic Or We'll Close Your Threads" instead? Or alternatively "Eyes on Each Other" has a nice ring to it. Whichever works.

[Leeza]

That kind of chatting belongs in CHAT. Not the forums. :cat:

I think maybe it should be name changed to General Discussion if you need more clarity.

[Psychotic]

I prefer my suggestions.

[eestlinc]

the marginal blasphemy combined with the marginal spamminess added up to cross the threshhold of 'what will eest close'. Besides, I gave the 'true' answer so no further discussion was needed. :D

[TheAbominatrix]

Now please, go back to the circular spam argument! I havent seen it in like four days! I need it rehashed! AGAIN!

[Del Murder]

Better than losing the art of having fun though, I suppose.

It will be a truly sad day when you can only have one or the other.

[eestlinc]

I'll circle your spam!!!! <a href=http://www.iamdumb.com>FLASH MOVIE LINK!!!!</a>

MORON ALERT:
<img src=http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~violette/quiz!!!_files/moron.jpg alt="I think it's the sun">

THIS IS NOT 'NAM! WE HAVE RULES!!!

[Jojee]

Yeah, but but not for every post. Just another example of how the young generation has lost the art of pacing oneself. You are not much older than us :p


MORON ALERT:
<img src=http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~violette/quiz!!!_files/moron.jpg alt="I think it's the sun"> xD

[Flying Mullet]

MORON ALERT:
<img src=http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~violette/quiz!!!_files/moron.jpg alt="I think it's the sun">
I don't know which is worse, the fact that she had to use a life line or the fact that people in the audience picked stars other than the sun.

[escobert]

If I was in the audience I too would have picked one of the others for the sheer fact she's a moron who should lose :p Or win and give her money to me :D?

[Flying Mullet]

If I was in the audience I too would have picked one of the others for the sheer fact she's a moron who should lose :p
Hmm, didn't think of that. Now that you mention it I'd probably do it to. :D

[Meat Puppet]

I can't get on chat. Does that mean I can spam?

[TasteyPies]

I can't get on chat. Does that mean I can spam?

Of coarse, why would anyone have the right to disapprove?

[escobert]

I wish I could go on chat :(

Hmm, didn't think of that. Now that you mention it I'd probably do it to. And now you shall have to lose :p

[Yamaneko]

Spamming is overrated anyway.

[Agent Proto]

Spamming is overrated anyway.

Quoted for truth.

And yes, the spam has gone overboard that it lost its notability.

[Psychotic]

Who cares if "spam" is rated higher than it should be or if it isn't notable? That's not the point of it, the point of it is to have fun. I'm pretty confident most of the members enjoy what you like to call "spam", and that it's a small minority who have an issue with it.

[TheAbominatrix]

It's not that spam annoys people, it's that excessive amounts are annoying. Its funny sometimes. Constantly, it's just annoying. But it really doesnt matter, because this argument just goes on and on.

I dont see why anyone bothers, because there's boards that have spam forums, so why not just go to them for that?

[Agent Proto]

Who cares if "spam" is rated higher than it should be or if it isn't notable? That's not the point of it, the point of it is to have fun. I'm pretty confident most of the members enjoy what you like to call "spam", and that it's a small minority who have an issue with it.

You fail to realize that while spam can be fun, it's also part of the reason why some threads are getting closed.

[Psychotic]

I dont see why anyone bothers, because there's boards that have spam forums, so why not just go to them for that?Well in that case, I don't see why anyone bothers to complain about spam, because there's boards for non-spam discussion, so why not just go to them for that?
You fail to realize that while spam can be fun, it's also part of the reason why some threads are getting closed....huh? I always knew that threads were closed due to "spam", I just don't get why people are so uptight about it when it doesn't harm anyone. Oh, server space? Okay, here you go *clicks banner ads fervently* Problem solved.

[Leeza]

Psy, don't you get enough of a spam fix with User Notes?

[Agent Proto]

No, it doesn't harm server space. Spam isn't bad, but it just seems that it degrades the value of some threads. If only a few people are posting so much in such little time, that leaves out other people from wanting to add something, because their post would likely be skipped from the many posts the few posters have posted.

[TheAbominatrix]

I dont see why anyone bothers, because there's boards that have spam forums, so why not just go to them for that?Well in that case, I don't see why anyone bothers to complain about spam, because there's boards for non-spam discussion, so why not just go to them for that?
You fail to realize that while spam can be fun, it's also part of the reason why some threads are getting closed....huh? I always knew that threads were closed due to "spam", I just don't get why people are so uptight about it when it doesn't harm anyone. Oh, server space? Okay, here you go *clicks banner ads fervently* Problem solved.

This board has non-spam discussion, so that doesnt make any sense. And I'm not complaining, and I dont think anyone ever bothers to complain about the spam here. I just dont see the point about worrying about those 'stuck up' folks who wont let us spam constantly, when there's boards dedicated solely to spam, not to mention, as Leeza said, the user notes which are nothing but.

Not everyone gets joy or amusement from reading pages and pages of spam.

[Psychotic]

Psy, don't you get enough of a spam fix with User Notes?They do go a long away, but they're not enough for this junkie to get his spammy fix. :p
No, it doesn't harm server space. Spam isn't bad, but it just seems that it degrades the value of some threads. If only a few people are posting so much in such little time, that leaves out other people from wanting to add something, because their post would likely be skipped from the many posts the few posters have posted.But alternatively you could say that some people, fed up by all of the spammy posts, would look out for on-topic posts and read them all the more eagerly.
This board has non-spam discussion, so that doesnt make any sense. And I'm not complaining, and I dont think anyone ever bothers to complain about the spam here. I just dont see the point about worrying about those 'stuck up' folks who wont let us spam constantly, when there's boards dedicated solely to spam, not to mention, as Leeza said, the user notes which are nothing but.

Not everyone gets joy or amusement from reading pages and pages of spam.
This board does indeed have boards for non-spam discussion, so why is anyone against spam when there are spam-free havens elsewhere on the board? I don't have a problem with any 'stuck up' folks stopping spam, but it does irritate me that people treat them with less worth than any other types of post here. I don't have a problem with the current EoFF spam levels, however I would have a problem if there was a mass anti-spam campaign by the staff. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but from the way some people react to it...

Correct. Not everyone gets joy or amusement from reading pages and pages of spam. But there are still an awful lot who do.

[Agent Proto]

But through the spam, that would be hard to find, and if the thread holds more spam over non-spam posts, they would not even bother.

Also, instead of posting single examples for that "Jesus H. Christ." One could have listed several examples all into one post. ;)

[MecaKane]

Question!
Psy, why do you think you're so friggen entitled? This isn't your forum, it's not for spam and it's not going to change because you find it fun. The people in charge don't like it. So it's not allowed. :eek: :eek: :eek:


Not everyone gets joy or amusement from reading pages and pages of spam.
Correction. No one enjoys reading it, except for the people doing it, at the exact momment they're doing it. Then they just look at the ammount of posts they made later on.

[Psychotic]

Question!
Psy, why do you think you're so friggen entitled? This isn't your forum, it's not for spam and it's not going to change because you find it fun. The people in charge don't like it. So it's not allowed. :eek: :eek: :eek:I don't think I'm entitled. I don't recall stating that I was entitled...friggen or otherwise. But I'm not the only one who finds it fun, Kane, otherwise I'd be the only one who does it but I'm not. If they want to ban all spam from here, then let them, I'm not going to say my constitutional rights are being infringed or whatever, I'll just pack up and play somewhere else. But while I'm here, I'm going to express my opinion on the forums, and my opinion on the forums is that spam is good. Whoever wishes to read my opinions can take it or leave it.

Correction. No one enjoys reading it, except for the people doing it, at the exact momment they're doing it. Then they just look at the ammount of posts they made later on.Correction. That's a generalisation.

[TheAbominatrix]

Psy, don't you get enough of a spam fix with User Notes?They do go a long away, but they're not enough for this junkie to get his spammy fix. :p
No, it doesn't harm server space. Spam isn't bad, but it just seems that it degrades the value of some threads. If only a few people are posting so much in such little time, that leaves out other people from wanting to add something, because their post would likely be skipped from the many posts the few posters have posted.But alternatively you could say that some people, fed up by all of the spammy posts, would look out for on-topic posts and read them all the more eagerly.
This board has non-spam discussion, so that doesnt make any sense. And I'm not complaining, and I dont think anyone ever bothers to complain about the spam here. I just dont see the point about worrying about those 'stuck up' folks who wont let us spam constantly, when there's boards dedicated solely to spam, not to mention, as Leeza said, the user notes which are nothing but.

Not everyone gets joy or amusement from reading pages and pages of spam.
This board does indeed have boards for non-spam discussion, so why is anyone against spam when there are spam-free havens elsewhere on the board? I don't have a problem with any 'stuck up' folks stopping spam, but it does irritate me that people treat them with less worth than any other types of post here. I don't have a problem with the current EoFF spam levels, however I would have a problem if there was a mass anti-spam campaign by the staff. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but from the way some people react to it...

Correct. Not everyone gets joy or amusement from reading pages and pages of spam. But there are still an awful lot who do.

Because there are places elsewhere specifically for spam. A little spam in the other places is good... but that's all those places are for. A little. For fun. Pages and pages of it isnt accepted here, and it's annoying when people make threads in ANY forum on this board and that's what they turn into. I dont have a problem with the current levels either, I just dont see why running a board a certain way means the people dont know how to have fun. Different people, different fun.

And yes, there are an awful lot. There's an awful lot of people who enjoy porn, and there's boards out there for them, right? Im not comparing spam to porn by any means. But it does get quite annoying when someone makes a thread outside EotW or EoEo and gets it spammed six ways to hell, and it ends up closed. That's when it becomes a problem, I think. When people actually want a thread answered, serious topic or not, they more than likely have to put it in EotW or EoEo to get anything aside from 10 real answers an 50 spams. Spam is fine, in moderation, as the admins have accepted.

[Psychotic]

Because there are places elsewhere specifically for spam. A little spam in the other places is good... but that's all those places are for. A little. For fun. Pages and pages of it isnt accepted here, and it's annoying when people make threads in ANY forum on this board and that's what they turn into. I dont have a problem with the current levels either, I just dont see why running a board a certain way means the people dont know how to have fun. Different people, different fun.

And yes, there are an awful lot. There's an awful lot of people who enjoy porn, and there's boards out there for them, right? Im not comparing spam to porn by any means. But it does get quite annoying when someone makes a thread outside EotW or EoEo and gets it spammed six ways to hell, and it ends up closed. That's when it becomes a problem, I think. When people actually want a thread answered, serious topic or not, they more than likely have to put it in EotW or EoEo to get anything aside from 10 real answers an 50 spams. Spam is fine, in moderation, as the admins have accepted.
I didn't say banning spam meant that people don't know how to have fun. I said that losing the art of pacing oneself was "Better than losing the art of having fun". I would rather have fun than pace myself, I was mainly speaking for myself rather than others on that occasion. I accept everyone has different ideas of what constitutes as fun, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to stand up for what I believe is fun too.

Correct, porn cannot be compared to spam, as the staff have always been extremely anti-porn, but more moderate on the spam, and I think their approach is fair. If I was enthusiastic about porn, I'd post it at EoFF and I'd be doing what I am now: Defending it in a thread specifically about it. (Well, I wouldn't, as I'd be banned, but oh well :p) Anyway, I could understand if there was a spam epidemic, and people couldn't make a thread without it being spammed...well...six ways to hell...but that isn't the case at EoFF. Even General Chat has a large number of open threads that have not been spammed beyond all repair, and as far as I am aware, that is the only forum where spam occurs...other than this one, of course. :p I think the "10 real answers and 50 spams" claim is a gross exaggeration. Even in General Chat, you'd be more likely to get 50 "real" answers and 10 spams rather than the other way around.

[Shlup]

I can't believe you people are arguing about something so stupid.

[TheAbominatrix]

Well if they're pacing themselves in regards to spam, isnt that the same thing?

And from what I've noticed, that pretty much is the situation in GC. It may not look that way to you, but it certainly does to me, though granted we of course have different ideas of that.

The thread that spawned this discussion is a perfect example.

edit: We're arguing?

[Yamaneko]

I can't believe you people are arguing about something so stupid.
I think you are a big poo.

[eestlinc]

I love how Psy is making tons of thoughful posts in here when he could be spamming up <a href=http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=61996>this thread</a> instead. I see our feedback diversion has been successful.

[Psychotic]

Well if they're pacing themselves in regards to spam, isnt that the same thing?

And from what I've noticed, that pretty much is the situation in GC. It may not look that way to you, but it certainly does to me, though granted we of course have different ideas of that.

The thread that spawned this discussion is a perfect example.No, not at all. Del seems to think that people can pace themselves and enjoy it, and hey, maybe they can, but that's just not my style.

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=62004

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=62018

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=61654

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=61996

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=62015

At the time of writing, these were the first 5 non-stickied posts in GC. (I figured stickies would be unrepresentative of the average GC thread, but if you want to use them, then feel free) As far as I could tell, the vast majority of posts in these threads stuck to the original topic of discussion, be it a birthday, breakfast, birds, colours or what makes you mad.

Yeah eest, I know. It's kind of ironic that I'm not spamming a thread about spam, really. :(

[TheAbominatrix]

Yes, and there are plenty that ARE spammed to the point of closure (or to where they should be closed). To me, it seems like the majority. But that's just me. In my opinion, even one that's been spammed to that point is annoying, unless it's in help/feedback and the question has already been answered, in which case it's our patriotic duty to mock it/spam it to hell.

[eestlinc]

<img src=http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/gallery/albums/bizarre/psychotic.jpg alt="my friend my friend he's got a knife">

[TheAbominatrix]

Alright, Im done. Too scared to enter this thread anymore.

THANKS A LOT EEST!

[Yamaneko]

<img src="http://thephoenixclan.org/modules/Forums/images/avatars/1512735365427c009b27120.jpg">

[Del Murder]

A breakdown of humor:

33% - timing
33% - timing
33% - timing

I wish it was like it was before, when everything was a lot more subtle and the wackiness only came every once and a while. It was more special that way. Especially in Feedback. But I'm not bothered that much by the way it is now. I'm more or less just giving Psy and his little band a hard time. You kids have your fun. We'll still close things that get out of hand, and if people are respectful and not clueless they will see what over the edge is and not do it anymore.

[Yamaneko]

1% - good material

Monkeys, hippos, and giraffes are no longer funny.

[eestlinc]

homicidal kittens however are still golden.

You have chosen regicide. If you know the name of the king or queen being murdered, press one.

[The Captain]

What makes a King these days? There are just fewer and fewer true monarchies to choose from.

Something that I always notice is that even the serious debates can turn on a dime thanks to something not entirely on topic, as many of the recent political threads have, and to me, that keeps things interesting and fresh.

In the end, spam, to me, is fine, so long as it's not entirely overboard. Same, thing, with, commas.

Take care all.

[Jojee]

Pfff. I'm actually gonna have to go with Psy on this one.

But seriously, almost every 'oldbie' says, "I wish it were like before," or "I miss the old days," etc. Things move on, time goes quickly, you shouldn't dwell in the past like that. Take the time to meet the new people instead of just denouncing the lot of them as little spamming kids. I had fun back when EoFF started, I have fun now. And I've always pretty much been the same. To say the truth, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the spam in the EZboard days and the spam now, besides the fact that different people are doing it. That's not meant to be offensive, but I know some people who would probably be offended by it. Of course there will be less spam as the board was smaller, but it's the same spam all the same. I seriously think some people don't enjoy spamming as much anymore not because the quality has decreased so much as everyone says, but because they're just not "in the loop" of it anymore. That's not meant to offend anyone either. :)

Also, I hope I'm not a part of "Psy's band" o__0 Sick :p

[Agent Proto]

Spam is too common nowadays. I'd like it if it was controlled, or something like that.

[Strider]

o_O

...What exactly have I started here? Did the original issue get resolved?

[Rase]

Okay, cool. That's all I was really worried about.

I think so, unless I just completly missed something.

[Loony BoB]

I dont see why anyone bothers, because there's boards that have spam forums, so why not just go to them for that?Well in that case, I don't see why anyone bothers to complain about spam, because there's boards for non-spam discussion, so why not just go to them for that?
I found this part particularly amusing because we do go to non-spam forums, and we call them Eyes on Final Fantasy forums. We're just lenient, that's all. :p

But yeah, spam is okay once in a while, although I think it often gets out of hand, and I think that some people seem to make a mental decision to spam more often than they make decent posts. My personal preference is to have a large thread once in a while that, upon reading over it, would still entertain people who weren't involved in making the thread. Those things are very hard to come across, though. I've been thoroughly entertained by spam threads I've not been involved with before, though, so it's possible.

Once you come down to it, though, EoFF isn't designed for spam threads and that's why we close them. Sometimes we think "Oh, what the hell, let them have their fun" but if someone complains that "Oh, we were just having fun, why close the thread!?!?! LET US HAVE OUR FUN!!!" then we can simply say "Because spam threads aren't allowed at EoFF." They can complain all they like about past spam threads being allowed, but that's just us being lenient for exactly the reason they stated - to let them have their fun. We just moderate this kind of stuff. "Everything in moderation, including moderation" - I think that's a great saying.

And that's why I don't have a problem with the odd spam thread when most other threads aren't being spammed up already. That's also the reason why I don't have any problem with closing Psy's threads (or banning him) or Ojoj's threads (or banning Psy) or whoever-else's-spam-threads (or IP banning Psy).

[Meat Puppet]

My mother used to tell me that the "h" was just a sound-bite, but I never say Jesus Christ or Jesus H. Christ anyway. Just Jesus (short, but not too short)

[nik0tine]

I am so sick of spam at EoFF!!!/spam

[DMKA]

"Hot".

[Levian]

But seriously, almost every 'oldbie' says, "I wish it were like before," or "I miss the old days," etc. Things move on, time goes quickly, you shouldn't dwell in the past like that. Take the time to meet the new people instead of just denouncing the lot of them as little spamming kids. I had fun back when EoFF started, I have fun now. And I've always pretty much been the same. To say the truth, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the spam in the EZboard days and the spam now, besides the fact that different people are doing it. That's not meant to be offensive, but I know some people who would probably be offended by it. Of course there will be less spam as the board was smaller, but it's the same spam all the same. I seriously think some people don't enjoy spamming as much anymore not because the quality has decreased so much as everyone says, but because they're just not "in the loop" of it anymore. That's not meant to offend anyone either. :)


Thank you, I agree with you. Especially the whole dwelling in the past thing. I've seen screenshots of 'the good old days' and it's not less spammy than it is today, I'd actually go as far as to say it was more spammy back then or at least just as spammy. Like Jojo said, the only difference is who's doing the spamming. I honestly don't think the spamming of today has become excessive. It exists, sometimes it gets out of hand, but rarely, and it's not like there was no spam back in 'the good old days'.

[theundeadhero]

What I get out of all this is that we're expected to surpress our personalities so we can all become robots. While I agree that total outright spamming should be closed, basic sillyness shouldn't be. It seems like theres more of it now because the forums are so much bigger than they were before. But if you'll check, you see that it's because of the recent influx of newbies. Soon they will get tired, simper off, and it will be the same 20 or so people that always post. The regulars fit the match of regulations when it comes to spam. It seems they do it just the right amount. It's when all the new people come in that the balance gets thrown off whack. It seems that about 1/25 newbies stay at the forums more than a month and then even less of those people stay for an extended period of time. After the fallout period most of the threads will have good info and them and the basic sillyness that isn't out of hand.

[Daryl]

o_O

...What exactly have I started here? Did the original issue get resolved?

Looks like it to me. *closes*