So why is FF VI concidered the best? And why do you concider it the best? [Archive]

Sunny Rabbiera

05-17-2005, 06:17 AM

it seems that almost all FF sites I view reguard FF VI as the best, heck even I think that FF VI the peak of the series. but why is this so?
why does FF VI stand out so much in a world ruled by its follow ups like FF VII and X?
I mean the game does have "flaws" that most dont like, such as not having a main character.
and its plot isnt entirelly original when you look at it, well at least not until the world of Ruin.
and most of the characters dont have a lot of background to them...

so what does make this game stand out?
is it because it is the last of the "classic" 2D FF games
or is it something more?

and do note that this is coming from a fan of this game, but I do think they are good questions

Vyk

05-17-2005, 06:54 AM

FFVI sparked a turning point in the series. They had always been maturing, plot-wise, and gameplay-wise. But 6 was like... a growth spurt. Or rather, it was like FF had finally left puberty and showed drastic signs of adult-hood. It marked longer and deeper plots. Way more characterization and focus on the characters. The plot wasn't just some bizarre save-the-world scenario. It was aimed to hit home in a lot of ways. You weren't just saving the world because it was part of the game. You wanted to save the world because you cared about it, and the characters that lived in it. Everything about it was just... "more" than any other FF or arguably probably any other RPG before it. It set the foundation for the watermarks of games like FF7 and the rest of the series. Which of course set standards for every other franchise out there >_> It set up a domino effect and set the stage for FF7. Which went on to open the world's eyes to everything 6 already tried to tell them. But then that set a series of events in place that finally gave me my beloved Xenogears. So I guess I owe a lot to 6. It deserves it's praise. Probably the single most influential and awesome game XD {/hype}

Classic Axe

05-17-2005, 07:48 AM

I see FF6 as the 'high tide' of the series. The battle systems of the past games sort of came to a head and developed in this one. I do think that there was way too much of a focus on espers.
Really, FF4 was the best just for the epic sense. FF6 was very epic as well, and it's story was unique without being completely over the top.
After FF6, we had flashy battles, prerendered dungeons, and too much of a technology/realism gap. It ceased to become fantasy, and became overly cheesy. The characters quit being unique, and became extras from second rate bands. Really, Square just sold out, hired a bunch of designers, and disguised unimaginitive/rehashed stories in flashier trappings.
So FF6 was the highest point of everything that made FF good, and although I don't consider it the best, I sometimes feel that way.

Daryl

05-17-2005, 11:31 PM

FFVI is my favorite primarily for sentimental reasons; it was my first FF.

I think some of what others have said rings true. There was pretty decent character development, a decent storyline. Some really hilarious scenes and dialogue. And, of course, the greatest NPC ever (three guesses who). ;)

Skarr

05-18-2005, 12:34 AM

ff6 is the only rpg that has a 'clown' look alike for a villian..........and it works.......because of nostalgia..........urbane chracters........funny scenes...........a sense of care for this world and its chracters.........not because you have to save the world...but because want to......not many rpgs made me feel the way that ff6 did.........and it should show.......i'm always at this damn forum :D

chionos

05-18-2005, 02:57 AM

No Cloud
No Sephiroth
No Squall
No hideous Tidus laugh
No hideous Yuna laugh
the BEST cast in the series
Playable moogle:mog:
Playable moogle:mog:
DID YOU FREAKING HEAR ME!?? :mog:
:mog:
PLAYABLE:mog:MOOGLE!!!!!!!!!! :mog:
playable berserker sasquatch/yeti/bigfoot
Blitzes
Blue Magic
Opera House
storyline integrated avatars(but in a good way, not like FFX): phoenix+rachel+locke the whole terra thing
http://www.eyesonff.com/ff6/images/characters/mogsd-tn.jpg
kefkakefkakefkakefkakefkakefkakefka
the BEST music in the series
best collection of avatars(espers) in the series
sound effects(an underrated element of the rpg)
Ultima spell
Daryl's tomb
oh i could go on forever

:mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog::mog:

Sunny Rabbiera

05-18-2005, 05:18 AM

the BEST music in the series
I dunno, one can argue that one quite well...
there were a few tracks in FF VI that I didnt like

Excelsior

05-18-2005, 05:19 AM

i actually dont get why people like this game so much. i thought it was ok. i didnt really feel attatched to any of the characters, in fact, the only person i really liked was kefka just cuz he was a frickin psycho. and usually, when i ask people why they lke FF6 the best, i get the non-specific answer of "shut up!11! FF6 teh pwns teh gayz0rs ff8!111!1"

Sunny Rabbiera

05-18-2005, 05:40 AM

well in comparision I didnt really like FF VIII
sure it had a lot of good concepts but its story and characters didnt appeal to me.
Squall was practically a carbon copy of Cloud, the male teenager with a bad attitude thing is something that FFVII did a little better.
sure graphically FF VIII is better, but graphics have nothing on storyline and gameplay.
and I do admit I like FF VIII's soundtrack a bit better then FF VI, but thats more of a taste in music then in gameplay/ storyline

Gwelenguchenkus

05-18-2005, 06:21 AM

I personally thought that the transition between the first and second half of the game, and several events, were very emotional. This is a great Final Fantasy, and it certainly feels a lot more polished, more expansive, and everything than the previous games.

FF6 has so much content it's mind boggling. The game was much larger than the FFs before it, and there was a plethora of side quests to do. Gathering all of the Lores, gathering all of Gau's Rages, uncursing the cursed shield, recollecting all of the various characters, getting all the summons and special equipment, and the collesium. Top that all off witha solid and emotional storyline and greeat characters and you have a great game.

Also, some argue that FF6 had better sound quality than FF7, even though it was on the playstation. Sure, FF7 had some emotional themes, but so does FF6, and a lot of people think they sound better.

I really don't think it is the best, though. I like FFIX and FFT a great deal more than this game, and even FFVIII. I loved this game but I don't think it is the best.

Sunny Rabbiera

05-18-2005, 06:30 AM

Gwelenguchenkus

05-18-2005, 06:40 AM

ah, but are those opinions based more off of GRAPHICS then the real value of the games?
certainly FF IX and VIII had great graphics but thier storylines were not as good as FF VI's [though the one with the worst plotline was VIII in my opinion]
plotline wise my rankings go:
VI
VII
IX
X
V
VIII

but graphically it goes like this:
X
IX
VIII
VII
VI

THOUGH I dont base my opinions on graphics alone

I take it in as a whole. I am NOT a graphics whore. I thoroughly disliked FFX and FFX-2 for a long time, which had awesome graphics.

I think FFVIIIis a lot more fun, and interesting. I liked the card game, magic system, and even the plot. FFVIII is more my cup of tea. I like FFT better than FFVIII, simply because I like the strategic battles. It has nothing to do with graphics, but graphics are still an important part of any game.

Don't forget that 'better' or 'worse' is all relative to taste.

Sunny Rabbiera

05-18-2005, 07:05 AM

well I personally didnt like FF VIII's storyline that bit...
but the card games and some of the side quests are good...
and the Draw system is also interesting, though I hated taking so much time to suck spells out of my enemies...
I much prefered the Materia System in FF VII, my favorite magic system in the game series [though the spere system is interesting]

DMKA

05-18-2005, 11:17 AM

It's not the best. It sucks with it's 2-D graphics and lack of Cloud and Sephiroth.

Sunny Rabbiera

05-18-2005, 02:07 PM

my sarcasim meter is broken!

MoonZapdos

05-18-2005, 02:56 PM

Well I can't say it's the best, but definetely one of the best FFs. Of course FFTA is far superior.
NOTE: You're talking to a FFTA freak.

Sasquatch

05-18-2005, 04:44 PM

One of the reasons people become die-hard fans of FFVI is that all too many people concentrate on FFVII and after, because those were the ones that became "mainstream". A lot of it is simply to counteract the FFVII freaks who think FFVII was original and "groundbreaking", or that its graphics made it better than the earlier 8-bit and 16-bit games. If people wouldn't worry about graphics, more people would see the better quality in the earlier games (like IV and VI). You have to look at why it was the best Final Fantasy...gameplay, plot/storyline, individual character backgrounds and scenarios (in the WoB and WoR), music, villians... As has been said earlier in this thread, it didn't make you save the world, you wanted to save the world, because you developed a personal level of love/hate/pity/vengeance/freedom with and for not just the playable characters, but a lot of NPCs as well--General Leo, the woman in Miranda, the kids in Mobliz, etc.

FFVI may not have all been original, but FFVII, which gained a lot of credit and popularity for the Final Fantasy series, took quite a bit from FFVI, and wasn't near as good as it's cracked up to be.

Classic Axe

05-18-2005, 08:37 PM

After FF6, the series really lost its 'fantasy' feel. The worlds just quit being unique and standalone.
FF7's story, when you think about it, is just a repeat of 5 (using the Earth's energy up, just like the crystals) and 6......but the main character is much harder to like.
FF8 is just the evil sorceress thing again. I didn't play any after that.

What I really liked about FF6 was how they managed to incorporate THAT world's history into the game very well. The sidestories were very well done as well. Cyan's dream was amazing. I still remember the first time I came across it with marvel. The sunken castle was completely unexpected. The flavor of the world (sort of like a mix between fantasy and the victorian age) was really special. The only thing the game lacks is a sequel. FFX2? How about FF6-2! My hope is that square will use its portables to get back to its roots someday.

Oh yeah, I would never have seen the WoR coming. That caught me completely offguard. Biggest surprise in a game ever, right next to MGS2.

eestlinc

05-19-2005, 12:11 AM

I didn't like that FF6 was so unfocused. You have so many characters that it's hard to care about all of them. It has a lot of great features and it's fun to play through, but try as I might to mix it up, I always end up using the same characters every time. I've accomplished pretty much everything there is to do in FF6 over the years so I don't have much interest in playing it anymore.

Also, I don't like that the world gets destroyed halfway through. The color is drab and depressing. I know its supposed to be that way, but it just grates on me. I liked the first half of the game a lot, but after the world changes I just don't feel like playing as much.

And the whole self help crap in the dialogue with Kefka in the end is pretty barferiffic.

Lord Abortion

05-19-2005, 01:28 AM

Kefka, need I say more?

eestlinc

05-19-2005, 02:01 AM

what exactly is so great about Kefka? he's a genetically engineered superman who goes crazy and kills a lot of stuff and dresses like a clown.

DJZen

05-19-2005, 02:10 AM

I don't see any rainbow wig, oversized shoes or bright red nose, but that's beside the point.

I love the graphics, the music, the gameplay (as cheap as it is), the story, the characters, EVERYTHING.

Also, the big deal about Kefka is that he's probably the only FF villain ever to actually succeed.

Del Murder

05-22-2005, 08:54 AM

Yeah, the fact that Kefka succeeded makes him a lot better, but that's not why I love this game. I guess the overall mix of plot, character, and gameplay made this the best I've ever played. I also love sidequests and item collecting, and this one had tons of both.

stragee

05-25-2005, 09:55 AM

Really FF6 was the first RPG that really captivated me emotionally. At the time of its release I was only about 14. I had never thought it was possible for a game to make me feel the way this game did. I actually got involved with the characters and cared about what happened. It was like a movie unfolding in front of me, and I was controlling the script. To this day I've never finished a game feeling quite the same way as I did when I beat this one.

In my opinion if you have'nt had a chance to play this title yet it would be well worth purchasing an old SNES if you dont have one and playing this on its original format. Ofcoarse some would argue that Anthology was just as good or and emulator would suffice. But if you've played the original you have to agree nothing feels quite like it literally.

~Happy Gaming

~*~Celes~*~

06-07-2005, 04:30 AM

FFVI is such a well-reknowned game because so many people can relate to the characters. For example, I can relate with Celes simply because every where I go, my past haunts me. Past regrets catch up to me and I get very emotional about it but I don't want to tell anyone about my past because I'm afraid of catching people up in it and I don't want anyone to get hurt. I can relate with Edgar because I'm a hopeless romantic. I LOVE a good love story and I LOVE to flirt with guys...I get just about the same results as Edgar, unfortunatly ^^;

Crossblades

06-28-2005, 10:52 PM

I consider FF VI the best because it had everything a story needed;love, betrayal, humor, action, and revenge

MAS82587

06-29-2005, 01:27 AM

actually, story/plotline wise, im gona have to disagree with u guys.
VI and X (tie)
VIII
VII
IX

graphics are obvious
X
IX
VIII
VII
VI

characters (in ur party)
VII
VI
VIII
IX
X

villions (judged on how complete the villions were)
VI
IX
VIII
VII
X

how smooth the games felt in a whole (battle systems, overall feel of playability)
X
VII
VIII
IX
VI

beat points in each
VI- the most complete game. vi did everything right. a game far ahead of its time. if u realesed it 2010, and put better graphics in it, it would be the best selling game of all time (my guess). the best villion in kefka, easy to follow storyline. great cast of characters, including Edgar Figaro, the most underrated ff character of all time (imo.)
VII- great cast of characters, quite possibly the best of any game (next to the metal gear series). easy to understand battle system, and ablity to customize characters.
VIII- totally ability to do anything u wanted with characters (except name them). viii had a great story that was easy to understand, and a nice break from the typical ff, or rpg for that matter.
IX- a nice older game feel to it. very easy and straight-foward ability system. sticks to the roots of a white mage, theif, knight, etc. original villion in kuja.
X- great story. i really liked tidus. the whole idea of killing sin was really cool.

worst points of each
VI- too many characters. too many random battles in some places. made u use three parties in kefka's tower (i hated that.)
VII- Extremely convoluted storyline. there was WAY too much going on towards the middle of the game, and the first time i played it, i didnt know what was goin on, except sephiroth and jenova = bad. sephiroth was a good villion, but there were others that were much better.
VIII- at times, it didnt feel like an rpg. squall was a recycled cloud. only six characters.
IX- tons of characters, but i just didnt feel any depth in some of them. the whole idea that a character wanted to be called "Dagger" made me lose a lot of respect for the game ;)
X- cool ideas for characters, but wernt excecuted well. they never said tidus' name! wtf? i really didnt like that. the whole thing wth people talking was a cool idea, but it almost looses some of its ff feel because of it. lack of a real main bad guy.

Locke the Thief

06-29-2005, 03:15 AM

hmmm.....i like this game alot based on the characters and plot kind of, and i have always loved 2-D graphics.

Butz

06-29-2005, 07:59 AM

FFVI is my best FF untill I've played FFVII then it's a toss between the two..

Why is FFVI my best?

everything about it, just compare it to FFV and FFIV and you'll see a huge leap in character design, music, sound effects, hidden characters, storyline, depth and a laughing villan you could here his laugh.. yet they managed to keep the fantasy in the game, not like recent FF they are only FF by name..

check other members posts for more reasons..

Crossblades

06-29-2005, 04:24 PM

hmmm.....i like this game alot based on the characters and plot kind of, and i have always loved 2-D graphics.

So have I, which is the reason why I love FF I - VI more than FF VII - XI

~*~Celes~*~

07-01-2005, 12:38 AM

Well, I can't speak for other people so I just speak for myself. I guess everyone just has their own opinions and that's what it comes down to.

Del Murder

07-02-2005, 05:06 PM

This game defines an epic.

Psycho Sheep

07-07-2005, 11:30 PM

X- cool ideas for characters, but wernt excecuted well. they never said tidus' name! wtf? i really didnt like that. the whole thing wth people talking was a cool idea, but it almost looses some of its ff feel because of it. lack of a real main bad guy.

They couldn't do that because Tidus was the only one you could name. Since it couldn't say whatever you named him, the alternatives would be
a) don't allow you to name anybody
b) Hear him called Tidus in every cut scene although you named him Fred Mcnottidus
They went with option a) (apparently)

bkkguy

07-08-2005, 08:52 PM

And here I go again, posting on VI board instead of going to bed. FFVI is the first rpg game that I played in English (and understand it) Plus, I really like Edgar as a king. He is willing to protect his citizen at all cost. And I think he is the most useful FF character of all time because of one word CHAINSAW :p

MagusBoy

08-01-2005, 07:40 AM

I know this is kinda dying out, but I think FF6 was pretty dern good myself. I noticed a trend in FFvii-x, the last bad guys don't make a whole lot of sense. It just seems like square went, "ok, we'll wrap up the real story in a couple of hours and have them play for hours upon hours trying to understand what's going on, then we'll introduce a new bad guy that doesn't fit with the original story whatsoever."
Well I guess all games are kinda like that, but 6 was not quite that bad, but do you know what I mean?

In FF6 you knew from the moment you saw Kefka put that crown on Terra that he was trouble.

(But I guess Sephiroth was pretty obvious as well...)

I can't lie though, I <3 all the FFs!

Tama2

08-01-2005, 08:30 AM

FFVI (I knew it as FFIII when I 1st saw it) was the 1st FF I played. It rocked. The story is great. Like Locke wanting to save his love. Finding Celes. Rachel dies. I like the general feel about Locke. Kefka does what he went out to do. Havin to find the chars in WoR. Tower of Fanatics was one of the best places to go. The 2 different blue magic. (Gau and the Old Man) General Leo. Moogles dominate. Plus you get an army of them for some fights. Kefka made the game funny (so did Ultros) SO many great things aboiut it. Plus I love sprites better than those polygons. :love: :love: :love:

ThroneofDravaris

08-01-2005, 08:53 AM

There are a multitude of reasons why FF6 is considered the ‘best’ FF game. The only things that I can think of in this game that was done quite a lot better in this game than other FF games (‘cept 9 of course!) was that each character had there own unique attack style, and it was one that could be used all the time rather than just being a limit break (which the game had as well, but most people never saw…). The opera scene was great, you’ve got to love synthesized vocal music. It was also very complex, which is something you don’t see very often in game music…

Although, there are a few flaws in this game that knock it from the top position ( to 5th on my list actually, but who’s counting…). The lack of a protagonist causes the game to loose direction in the World of Ruin, I can’t for the life of me work out why you didn’t at least need to reclaim TERRA before the final battle. Kefka, while entertaining, manages to undermine quite a few of the more serious scenes in this game, which I liked but then I never considered FF6 as serious in the first place. Also, this game has one of the WORST summoning systems in the series, namely because they were all so weak! But these flaws don’t prevent FF6 from being a decent game, it just stops it from being the best.

IMO, if you think this game is the best FF, then you haven’t played FF9…

MagusBoy

08-01-2005, 05:58 PM

hah! FF IX was good. Close to the top of my list. ;)

Guitar Woman

08-07-2005, 01:42 AM

X- cool ideas for characters, but wernt excecuted well. they never said tidus' name! wtf? i really didnt like that. the whole thing wth people talking was a cool idea, but it almost looses some of its ff feel because of it. lack of a real main bad guy.

They couldn't do that because Tidus was the only one you could name. Since it couldn't say whatever you named him
They did that in every Zelda game after Orcarina of Time, you turd. It's one of the easiest things to program. :/

Sasquatch

08-07-2005, 05:04 AM

Because you couldn't name Link. You can name Tidus, and unless they set something up where you could control how the characters pronounce the name you type in, it wouldn't work.

Dudius

08-09-2005, 01:40 AM

Character development is the key point to this game. You sort of grow along with the character's hardships. It's sort of like reading a book that you're really into and get that funny feeling inside. Except for Mog, Umaro, and Gogo you learn alot about each of the characters.

Plus that scene where Shadow comes and saves everyone is just an awsome scene to watch. It was so heroic I had this huge adrenaline rush. That would be an awsome scene to watch if they made a movie.

Rengori

08-09-2005, 02:22 AM

Because nearly everyone had a reason to hate the Empire, there was lots of character devopment. The battle system was very well done, and the graphics are extremely appealing (for old school gamers who aren't all about "Halo 2" and it's explosions), everyone had a special ability that only they could use, and the storyline was deep, but not so confusing that you can't find your way around. If you could get past the slow pace, it's a perfect game.

Kenshin IV

08-09-2005, 03:05 AM

I can't argue with anyone who thinks Six is the best. The game is damn near perfect, and way ahead of it's time. It's my second favorite personally. The only thing I can't stand is when people think it's far and away the best one. It's not. Four and Seven can easily be argued as being just as good, or even better. Each of those games have things in them that are better than the other. Six was probably the most balanced. It had one of, if not the best casts out of all of them as well as one of the best stories. Four was the most advance game in the series considering the time it came out. It was so advanced that Five even looked like a step backwards in comparison. Seven had the best and most indepth story in the immediate series(the only game with a better story than Seven that holds the "Final Fantasy" name was Tactics), and all three had battle systems that were equally as good in their own way.

I can also argue the same point with people who think Seven is far away the best one, because there are a lot of those out there too. Probably even more of those than people who think that of Six.

Dignified Pauper

08-09-2005, 04:03 AM

Storyline alone, six dominates all FF's While not going into massive detail of characterizations, all the major characters (minus Gogo, Umaru, and Mog) get enough background information in the game to show you why they fight.

Terra - her coming to being, how she was taken, her being used by the empire
Edgar and Sabin - Edgar took the throne when their father died and Sabin went to live his life
Locke - the events with Rachael
Shadow - Relm being his daughter and his dream sequences.
Strago - his old friend (can't think of his name) and that demon at Ebots Rock
Relm - She basically just has a feisty attitude she inherited by blood from Shadow and picked up from by Strago.
Cyan - soldier, wife and son killed, the dream sequence tells a lot as well.
Celes - her very past as a soldier, then turning against them, her story with locke when he doesn't believe her at the magitek research facility
Kefka - his experimental procedures with Cid, causing his brain to fry. not to mention his end speech which picks up his motives so eloquently.
Setzer - Daryl's Tomb events.
Gau - being raised in the veldt after his mother dies of complications at birth and his father throws him out.

All the characters are given enough information without going into some painfully long side-quest to learn all this un-necessary information.

Gameplay was simple, eloquent, and true to the FF style with a new way to learn magic. No buying or just simply learning as you level, but it incorporated AP and Espers.

The game is just superb.