Playstation 3 revealed

[Lakenbelle]

Nintendo will never die.

They might, unfortunately, stop making their own consoles and start making their first-party games third-party for Sony or Microsoft in two or three gaming generations, but I think they will always make new handheld systems. The DS is selling better than the crap PSP, afterall.

Nintendo will never, ever close up shop and die. If they stop making consoles, Mario games, Zelda, etc., etc., will just go to another console but they'll still be made by Nintendo.

[DeathKnight]

Nintendo will never die.

They might, unfortunately, stop making their own consoles and start making their first-party games third-party for Sony or Microsoft in two or three gaming generations, but I think they will always make new handheld systems. The DS is selling better than the crap PSP, afterall.

Nintendo will never, ever close up shop and die. If they stop making consoles, Mario games, Zelda, etc., etc., will just go to another console but they'll still be made by Nintendo.

Ninteno has sait it before MANY times "they will NEVER be a third party company and would rather run out of business before doing son."

Besides: Wii+Controller+Zelda+Super Smash Brox.(online)=Sucess

[Dreddz]

And people said I was being a fanboy :rolleyes2

[DeathKnight]

And people said I was being a fanboy :rolleyes2

I have to let you know, I love SONY to death! But I just hate Microsoft to death.

[Lakenbelle]

Oh, remember people, Nintendo makes a profit on their consoles. At $100 in stores, the GameCube makes them a small profit. The PS2 is at like, what, $140? Doesn't score Sony a profit. Microsoft loses something like $130 per 360.

[Dreddz]

Nintendo will lose profit over each WII though, they gained profit with the GC because it only played games, only. The PS2 has a DVD player, and so did the Xbox. Thats why they lost money. Now, this is the reason why Nintendo wasnt so successful with the GC, so they will have to include a DVD player ths time around. Thus, they wont be gaining anything with each console made. This means that the the WII has to do well, MS lost what, 4 Billon pounds off the Xbox. Now, that isnt much for MS, but if Nintendo lost that much, it would become a serious problem. And seeing as Nintendo arent doing as well MS in America, they could lose quite alot with the Wii. Now, ths is when they start to fall down the path Sega went down. If the Wii doesnt sell as much as Nintendo hope, then I reckon Nintendo could have the same fate as Sega did.

[Samuraid]

MS and Sony lost money per console due to overall hardware costs of each console, not due simply to DVD playback.

[Dreddz]

But wouldnt the Wii suffer from this as well ?

[Samuraid]

It's a possibility, but I honestly don't know for sure as of yet.

[Tainted Angel]

Crap name+crap 'OMG! Push the polygons hard3|_!=dead wii.

Gods amercians are so easy to predict. Maybe in Europe. Maybe. Hell.. pigs may fly and Spore can be sold on the Wii.

Whatever, amercians for a reason hated minicompact discs. They have too much room and not enough to fill it. So nothing small works unless the exception. (See: Ipod mini)

[MecaKane]

You need to cool it on your eurotrash american hating, because the only thing I understood about that post was about the ipod.

[KentaRawr!]

Crap name+crap 'OMG! Push the polygons hard3|_!=dead wii.

Gods amercians are so easy to predict. Maybe in Europe. Maybe. Hell.. pigs may fly and Spore can be sold on the Wii.

Whatever, amercians for a reason hated minicompact discs. They have too much room and not enough to fill it. So nothing small works unless the exception. (See: Ipod mini)

I don't know how to reply to that except "I resent that comment!".

[Dreddz]

Guess Ill have to save up 409.301 GBP for my 60GB PS3 come November 17th.
EDIT - £90 more than the US, little S.O.B's

[ljkkjlcm9]

Nintendo will never die.

They might, unfortunately, stop making their own consoles and start making their first-party games third-party for Sony or Microsoft in two or three gaming generations, but I think they will always make new handheld systems. The DS is selling better than the crap PSP, afterall.

Nintendo will never, ever close up shop and die. If they stop making consoles, Mario games, Zelda, etc., etc., will just go to another console but they'll still be made by Nintendo.

I don't think they'd ever make them for another company either, if anything it'd be portable exclusive titles as well. But honestly, do you people really think Nintendo is going to fold? They're doing extremely well, and the Wii will do extremely well too, just wait and see!

THE JACKEL

[Ya Boy Alex]

Wii doesn't seem like it will do well with the casual gamer or parents who want to get their children a household name.
"Honey I bought Tommy a Wii for his birthday "

[Yew-Yevon]

I keep hearing from microsft fanboys about how PS3 dosn't have HDR(high dinamic range) lighting and how anything sony comes up with will suck...fanboys...espesialy MC fanboys are scum!

[Shoden]

I keep hearing from microsft fanboys about how PS3 dosn't have HDR(high dinamic range) lighting and how anything sony comes up with will suck...fanboys...espesialy MC fanboys are scum!

More like severely retarded.

The damn thing only supports what? 10 normal Xbox games? that's pathetic. Oh wow, neat CGI graphics, whoopdee doo, a game with kickass awesome graphic isn't always good. LOok at the controller! The buttons are tiny and there's all sorts of stuff on it. Useless stuff.

At least the PS3 controller is easier to hold and isn't biased to midgets! (no offense) or kids! Come on what good has Bill Gates done? It aint even his own work, hardly anything MS makes is BG's work.


The Wii is a crap name, the controller for it is terrible and small, the thing looks plain and unfancy.

[Samuraid]

I keep hearing from microsft fanboys about how PS3 dosn't have HDR(high dinamic range) lighting and how anything sony comes up with will suck...fanboys...espesialy MC fanboys are scum!
Yeah, the RSX (the PS3 GPU) does support HDR, however, using it requires an excessive amount of memory bandwidth.


The damn thing only supports what? 10 normal Xbox games?
Actually, it supports far more than 10.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox_360

[KentaRawr!]

Hmm... the controller senses tilting motion? o.o Interesting, but I wonder how well a regular controller and a tilt-motion sensor work together. o_o

[Tidus Andronicus]

Wii doesn't seem like it will do well with the casual gamer or parents who want to get their children a household name.
"Honey I bought Tommy a Wii for his birthday "

Actually, I doubt the name will have much effect on that at all. Besides, with parents buying their children a console... its $500 VS $200... thats not a hard choice, especially when parents will look at Nintendo as being more for their kids than Sony.

Anyway, I realise people must be saying "Sony stole that motion thing from Nintendo"... but Its somewhat known that Sony's been thinking about it a lot for a long time... what actually made them use it, was how well the Wii was testing.
And even though its not as good as the Wii's motion sensing, its still good enough... (although I've heard from some people that there is a half second lagg between when u move, and when the game pics it up.)
On the bright side, this is what Nintendo was hopping for... their Wii is impacting the industry, and is being copied. (copying something is a form of flattery) Wont be long till MS puts this more officially into their console too!

[DeathKnight]

I've had it for months but gotten bored of it.

:chuckle:

proof that 360 is crap:)

[MecaKane]

Yes, one guy's opinion on a new system that doesn't really have the creme of the crop games out yet is totally proof beyond all reasonable doubt. Lock it up and throw away the key.

[tidus_rox]

All of you are acting as if youve NEVER seen the consol beofre. I mean theres been pictures EVERYHERE for the past 3 months. Oh and about the controller thing there was an aritcle ont his in the psm magazine and it said that the controllers look weird but are very confy.. :D

[Tidus Andronicus]

All of you are acting as if youve NEVER seen the consol beofre. I mean theres been pictures EVERYHERE for the past 3 months. Oh and about the controller thing there was an aritcle ont his in the psm magazine and it said that the controllers look weird but are very confy.. :D
O_o the controller does't look weird... cause its exactly the same as the PS2 controller... at least thats a good thing... Cause I like the PS2 controller. And I'm sure its comfortable. ^_^;

But the extra's in the controller; like the extra 'xbox rippoff' button in the middle, and 'nintendo rippoff' tilt detection... are both kind of silly...XD

So yah, I just read something talking about the ps3 controller... it had a big part about the No More Rumble issue... and in interviews, it seems Sony completely denies knollege of that court case that they lost, which keeps them from using Rumble anymore. XD They claim 'rumble interfers with the tilt detection' which is complete BS, since the Nintendo Wiimote has Rumble and even more tilt and motion detection, and its not effected at all. Sony just didn't want to admit their loss... XD

Personally I think in a flying game, having rumble and tilt detection would be awesome, because every time you got shot by an enemy, the rumble (if it did effect tilt detection) could make it harder to fly. Thus being more realistic... well at least as realistic as the PS3 tilt detection gets... with its horrible lag. >_>

[Mirage]

They modified the game to utilize the motion detectors in a hurry, and the controller is probably still in beta too. I think we can expect less lag in the final versions.

[Tidus Andronicus]

PS3 is TOO CHEAP??!! O_o (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150878)

Ken must be crazy... >_>

[Dreddz]

PS3 is a bargin, people who disagree should do there homework.

[KentaRawr!]

PS3 is a bargin, people who disagree should do there homework.

PS3 is a bargain, yes, but I'm not going to buy it for all the extra features that ramp the price up. :o

[Tidus Andronicus]

PS3 is a bargin, people who disagree should do there homework.
Bargin, maybe... but cheap no. lol
There is a lot of stuff that raises the price up... that we just don't need.
I don't have an HDTV... I don't need one yet, I can't afford one yet... and frankly, I don't even want one yet.
Without the HD in the PS3, the price goes down... and also, BluRay becomes pointless, as the games could still fit on DVDs... which gets rid of a HUGE part of the price... BTW the 360 is currently doing HD fine on normal DVDs... so even then, I can't see the point in having BluRay... except for the fact that Sony is trying their hardest to control the next media format, by pushing out BluRay, before its time, before the market can afford it or even need it... and when cheaper alternatives are available. This is going to hurt them, but maybe they are too high on their own egos to see that.
The only reason the DVD features of the PS2 made it a good thing, was because the market was actually ready for the new format, and it was needed. People were already buying DVDs, and stores were already selling them. Plus DVD didn't have any competing format. Sony is an electronic entertainment company, so it was only logical for them to put a DVD player into the PS2. (Where as Nintendo didn't, because that feature had nothing to do with gamming back then.)
But, you see, the situation is far different with BluRay at this time... Tell me, who is selling Bluray movies already? actually... who is even making them yet?
Don't get me wrong, I like BluRay... but I wont need it for at least another 5 years... and I think the market wont need it either. Sadly, pushing it out like this, will only lead to the cheaper HD-DVD format coming out... which will kill BluRay before its time... just as Beta.

But back to my point. Sony's PS3 is NOT cheap.
Maybe in a few years, it could be considered a bargen way to get a good BluRay player... when the majority of the market is finally in need of a cheap HD movie player... But right now, Sony is trying to shove expensive features we don't need yet, down our throats... They call it future-proofing, but will the market see it that way? At $600 for a system that can only 'currently' play games (and only in SD, for most people at this time) I think people will choose cheaper alternatives.


EDIT/ADDED: Another reason Sony could very well kill off BluRay by accident, making it pointless and expensive to have in a PS3: "Lets say you're a manufacture of entertainment equipment and are choosing which player to make. The HD-DVD player is easier to build and cheaper, while the Bluray player is more expensive but has more storage and possibly better quality video. Now, when you look at your bottom line you can sell an HD-DVD player for $500-$700 but your Bluray player will have to sell around $800-$1000. Now, here comes Sony with their BluRay equipped $500-$600 PS3. You know that you'll be selling your Bluray player at a loss if you sell it for any less than $800(possibly more), and you know anyone that wants a Bluray player will just get a PS3 since it's cheaper. You also know you that while you can't compete with Bluray, you can easily compete with an HD-DVD player, because even the XBOX 360 plus HD-DVD will be in that $500-$700 competitive range your player will be in. And as a manufacture looking out for your Shareholders, what are you going to build?"
See what I mean?

I also want to add this, even if its not the best point... back 8 years ago or so, VHS was king, and people had barely mentioned DVD. But VHS had been in use for well over 10 years... more, cause I'm unsure when exactly that became a mainstream media format. Lots of people were reluctant to change to DVDs, and at this point, what makes anyone think people are ready to get rid of DVDs? the DVD format hasn't even had a full life yet... And until HDTV and which ever next gen format comes out, are prepared to drop in price dramatically, the market, and this economy, just wont want to be forced.

[MecaKane]

I don't have an HDTV... I don't need one yet, I can't afford one yet... and frankly, I don't even want one yet.
You haven't seen HD picture then.


Without the HD in the PS3, the price goes down... and also, BluRay becomes pointless, as the games could still fit on DVDs... which gets rid of a HUGE part of the price... BTW the 360 is currently doing HD fine on normal DVDs...
Xbox 360 can't play high definition DVDs, it can either upscale standard DVDs, or just display them in progressive scan, which isn't as good higher resolutions.

so even then, I can't see the point in having BluRay... except for the fact that Sony is trying their hardest to control the next media format, by pushing out BluRay, before its time, before the market can afford it or even need it... and when cheaper alternatives are available.
Everything is /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif expensive when it first comes out. Am I the only one who can remember that DVD player didn't always cost $50? When you release a new technology there's still going to be a big group of people, who buy everything that's new, the people who paid a grand for DVD players that didn't even have progressive scan. Also I'm pretty sure bluray players and movies will be released sometime before november.


Don't get me wrong, I like BluRay... but I wont need it for at least another 5 years... and I think the market wont need it either. Sadly, pushing it out like this, will only lead to the cheaper HD-DVD format coming out... which will kill BluRay before its time... just as Beta.
The market doesn't need anything, they're putting these new formats out because they need to make more sales on hardware since DVD players are so cheap now. But putting bluray into ps3s will throw it into a lot of homes, whether or not they even have HDTVs, which will put them to a great advantage, as well as being able to to display 1080p.

[Tidus Andronicus]

O_o... I have seen HD many times... and I'm not impressed... at least, not until its much much cheaper.

Its not in my character to say something like this, but i'm tired of this... it seems lately, no one is even putting any thought into my points, if it goes against what they want.
So I point back to my last post...:rolleyes2

Besides... this shouldn't be changing into a format war thread... all I wanted to show was how I feel Bluray is an unnessisary feature to FORCE on us for that horrid $600 price tag... and I explained my point thurally.

[Dreddz]

Blu-Ray isnt just about HD, the capacity of the Disc is alot larger than a standard DVD, up to 50GB's of data. A DVD can only hold 10GB, that is a huge difference, and Im not surprised Sony are trying to push Blu-ray forward. And its not just Sony, nearly all companies in the buisness are trying to push Blu-Ray. This constant support will keep blu-ray an on-going thing.

[Samuraid]

What Tidus said earlier though has a lot of merit. HD-DVD is already out, Blu-ray isn't yet. HD-DVD players are already around $300 less than the preorder prices of most Blu-Ray players.

From a technical standpoint, Blu-ray is definitely a superior format, and certainly has more motion picture studio support at the moment. However, there is a chance it will go the same route as Sony Beta.

I personally hope it doesn't.

[Dreddz]

Oh good god, PS3 might be £425 in the UK, and there might only be the 60GB available. Thats £100 more than the US, and £110 more than the rest of the EU. Smurfing lame, why should I have to pay more because I live in the UK, gets me so smurfing angry.

[MecaKane]

Because there's not as many people in the uk as the us so they need to make more/lose less money on the consoles to send them there.
Or they just like screwing you around because no one really cares. <3

[Tidus Andronicus]

Blu-ray is definitely a superior format, and certainly has more motion picture studio support at the moment.
True, it is a better format, and in all honesty I wish it would win, because I'd love to have discs with that huge storage size... (backing up my computer would be sooo easy! XD)

But from what I've heard, HD-DVD had more studio support... mainly because it was cheaper... >_> that... and the p0rn industry has choosen HD-DVD... XD which that alone is going to steal a lot of people from BluRay...:cry:

But, hey, if I'm wrong, thats good too. XD
I was really hoping for a combined format... too bad those talks failed...

I was thinking earlier about this situation though... Considering that IF Sony's PS3 is a success, which it very well could be... And if BluRay gains dominance as the next movie format... This big push for HD entertainment electronics, could be good for the electronics market... Because with HD games, more people will want HDTVs... which could eventually lead to price drops in all HD equiptment! And that would be a happy day for everyone! I'm all for cheaper HD stuff. XD
Then again... if it all remains expensive... then well, it would be very bad for the market... =/

[Samuraid]

We both stand corrected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Corporate_support

HD DVD initially received more support than Blu-ray from film studios and distributors. This early lead, however, has now faded. The two formats are now neck to neck with the amount of support they hold in the industry.

[Tidus Andronicus]

We both stand corrected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Corporate_support

HD DVD initially received more support than Blu-ray from film studios and distributors. This early lead, however, has now faded. The two formats are now neck to neck with the amount of support they hold in the industry.
ooooooOh! Thank you for that.

[Crossblades]

It seems Sony is now banning preowned games

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035&sectionId=1006



High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.

We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony - and to counter the impression in consumers' minds that games are only really worth their pre-owned price and are not worth buying new.

When we contacted Sony, it issued us with the following statement: "We have made all of the official announcements at E3 and cannot make any further comments at this time. We will be announcing more news running up to PlayStation 3's launch."

[NeoCracker]

It seems Sony is now banning preowned games

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035&sectionId=1006



High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.

We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony - and to counter the impression in consumers' minds that games are only really worth their pre-owned price and are not worth buying new.

When we contacted Sony, it issued us with the following statement: "We have made all of the official announcements at E3 and cannot make any further comments at this time. We will be announcing more news running up to PlayStation 3's launch."
That would be the single stupidest move sony has ever made. May game Radar be full of crap.

[KentaRawr!]

I hope so, too. It would be one of the dumbest ideas ever.

Of course, theoretically, Sony would get more money off of it if people can only get the games brand-spanking-new and not from a friend. On the other hand, there's no gauruntee that an unsaid amount of people will want a PS3 after that. >=O

[Samuraid]

It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.
Gamers have never owned any games. When you "buy a game" you simply purchase a single license from the company to use it. (read the fine print :rolleyes2) Although, Sony's move seems like an overly strict enforcement of that legal stipulation in this case.

[XxSephirothxX]

That rumor's been going around for months. They just denied it again. (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23921409)

[Tidus Andronicus]

Yah, I just read an article about all this recently... And although Sony hasn't officially said they are banning preplayed games... they are officially trying to ban it. I doubt they will ever 'officially' announce it, as that would give them bad PR.

The sad part is, this also has the potential to loose a lot of sales, and I would think Sony knows this... even if they are trying to push more direct sales with this technique... O_o... is it just me, or is Sony getting really arrogent?

I have some friends, that have never bought a 'new' game in their lives... they always just wait until they can get the games used, since its so much cheaper. And of course, if u can deal with scratched discs, its the smart way to go. But this is going to make it very hard on resale stores, and game stores alike.
Imagine the word of mouth that could be generated, if 360 and Wii were the only systems you could buy used games for?

[NeoCracker]

That rumor's been going around for months. They just denied it again. (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23921409)
They only denied announcing it, notice they never said they weren't, and them having the patant gets me worried. If thats official I really dought I'll be getting a PS3 until the announcement of the Generation after it to come out.

[XxSephirothxX]

SCEE PR manger Jennie Kong blasted the rumor as " false speculation." "PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console," she told the Guardian.

That's enough for me. Sure, Sony could implement this anyway and make a liar out of her; we all know that companies change their positions on things and do their best to pretend they've never denied whatever it is they're doing. But given the user backlash such a system would incur, it's extremely unlikely that Sony would go forth with this program.

[Ultima Shadow]

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3770/5050gf.jpg

[Samuraid]

I saw this a few days ago, but forgot to post it until now.

From: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/05/0933239

"Charlie Demerijian at the Inquirer got a look at some insider specs on the PS3, and says, Sony screwed up big time with the Cell processor; the memory read speed on the current Devkits is something like 3 orders of magnitude slower than the write speed; and is unlikely to improve much before the ship date. The slide from Sony pictured in the article is priceless: 'Local Memory Read Speed ~16Mbps, No this isn't a Typo.' Demerjian says when the PS3 comes out a full year after the XBox360, it's still going to be inferior: 'Someone screwed up so badly it looks like it will relegate the console to second place behind the 360.'" This is the Inquirer, so take with a grain of salt. Just the same, doesn't sound too good for Sony or IBM.
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/PS3_memory_bandwidths.jpg

Hopefully Sony can do something about this. From a hardware standpoint, this is just ludicrous. Someone would have had to try to make local memory read bandwidth that low. Hopefully, this is just an issue that Sony can resolve because if they don't, it will affect the performance of the PS3 console.

[Ultima Shadow]

Holy shi---

Sucks to be Sony.:greenie:

[Mirage]

I saw this a few days ago, but forgot to post it until now.

From: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/05/0933239

"Charlie Demerijian at the Inquirer got a look at some insider specs on the PS3, and says, Sony screwed up big time with the Cell processor; the memory read speed on the current Devkits is something like 3 orders of magnitude slower than the write speed; and is unlikely to improve much before the ship date. The slide from Sony pictured in the article is priceless: 'Local Memory Read Speed ~16Mbps, No this isn't a Typo.' Demerjian says when the PS3 comes out a full year after the XBox360, it's still going to be inferior: 'Someone screwed up so badly it looks like it will relegate the console to second place behind the 360.'" This is the Inquirer, so take with a grain of salt. Just the same, doesn't sound too good for Sony or IBM.
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/PS3_memory_bandwidths.jpg

Hopefully Sony can do something about this. From a hardware standpoint, this is just ludicrous. Someone would have had to try to make local memory read bandwidth that low. Hopefully, this is just an issue that Sony can resolve because if they don't, it will affect the performance of the PS3 console.


Looking at MGS4, that thing can't be too much of an issue :p.

[Zeromus_X]

I know next to nothing about processing, but that doesn't look good.

[Samuraid]

Well the good news is that the memory speed for the graphics processor is at full speed and operating as expected, so at least nVidia and the Sony guys in the video department did their job. It's just going to suck if Sony and IBM cannot do anything about the main CPU and SPE's memory read speed before the PS3 launches.

[Rase]

What exactly does this mean though? I'm not a very technical guy, so I'm just assuming from the reactions surrounding it that it's very bad. Does it mean that, essentially, the PS3 would have framerate issues/lag due to it not being able to read the information off the disc fast enough, or am I way off in this?

[Samuraid]

Ok, apparently it would have helped if the chart had labeled things more correctly. It looked as if the chart was referring to speed at which Cell accessed it's own local memory (register files, cache, etc...) which looked just terribly wrong.

In truth, the second figure is really the speed at which the Cell CPU communicates with the GPU's local memory directly across the memory bus. This actually isn't as bad as it seems because the GPU and CPU can already communicate via main memory at near to the full expected bandwidth (22GB/sec).

Just found this which is an interesting response to the first article:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17547

[Mirage]

Summary: the PS2 couldn't even access it at all, and still did fine. PS3 developers can just think of a few rare occations where you might want to use it, but it could be done in a different and much faster way anyway.
So it's nearly irrelevant.

[Samuraid]

Yes, thankfully. :) The image and presentation in the first article were very misleading. (It didn't seem right in the first place)

[DeathKnight]

Yes, thankfully. :) The image and presentation in the first article were very misleading. (It didn't seem right in the first place)

YAY!

[Dreddz]

A recent Q&A was leaked onto the net, a good read.


Playstation 3 / E3 2006 QA

- PS3 is a computer system
- PS3 is one product with different configuration
- PS3 launch date : Nov 11 (Japan), Nov 17 (US/Europe)
- PS3 price : 20GB : JPY 59,800, USD499, EUR499 (incl. VAT) / 60GB : JPY Open, USD599, EUR599 (incl. VAT)

PS3 Business Strategy

Q1. Why will you launch two models with different specs for PS3 ?
A1. PS3 is a computer system and as such, various configurations can be considered. In future, larger HDD may be required for larger content to be saved on PS3. Considering the fact that, nowadays, network connectivity is spreading within the homes, we have decided to introduce a configuration with basic ports. However, these ports, excluding HDMI, are expandable with adaptors available on the market.

Q2. How can users connect PS3 to TV without HDMI output ?
A2. PS3 supports most displays via the AV multi output. Visual quality through AV multi output is comparable to that through HDMI.

Q3. Do you have two color variations of black and silver for two different models ?
A3. This model comes in one color (clear black) only. There may be color variations in the future.

Q4. What is the initial launch quantity for PS3 ?
A4. 2 million units will be shipped worldwide at the launch timing (for the first 3 weeks), cumulative 4 million units by the end of December and cumulative 6 million by the end of March 2007 (we do not disclose the breakdown by region).

Q5. Will you launch the PS3 in the Asian region at the same timing ?
A5. Yes.

Q6. What is the breakdown of the production shipment figures for each model ?
A6. We will decide the breakdown according to the market situation.

Q7. Are you planning to launch another model which has different HDD or interface in the future ?
A7. Like PCs, other configuration with the different HDD capacity and I/O can be considered in the future.

Q8. Where will you start manufacturing PS3 ?
A8. We will start manufacturing in Japan and China simultaneously (we don't disclose the names of manufacturing companies).

Q9. When will you start manufacturing PS3 ?
A9. We will start assembly from summer. Manufacturing of the main semiconductors has already started.

Q10. MS's Xbox360 was launched a year ago and has a head start. How do you feel about it ?
A10. We have set the best launch timing for PS3.

Q11. How is the PS3 network service going to be ? Will you also start the service from day one ? What are the differences between Xbox Live and PS3 network services ?
A11. Apart from providing basic features and functions, the most important element is content and services. Downloading music in SingStar, purchasing or exchanging game data as we demonstrated at E3 press conference and many other new ways of enjoyment will be provided.

Q12. Will the network service be charged ?
A12. Basic services available free for current PCs will be free of charge but content and specific services will be charged from the beginning.

Q13. Are the specifications and design final ?
A13. Very close to final.

PS3 Price

Q14. Why did you set such a price for 20GB HDD model ?
A14. We have set this price so that many users can enjoy PS3.

Q15. Why is only 60GB model open price for Japan ?
A15. Each RHQ decides the price of PS3.

Q16. You have announced in April that more than 100 billion yen of operating loss will be caused from Game segment in FY06. Will the PS3 price have any impact on the forecast ? Was the introduction of two models factored in at the earnings announcement in April ?
A16. There is no change in forecast.

Q17. Won't having two models increase cost ? Can you expect the economy of scale with two models ?
A17. We don't have two different models. It is one model with different configuration just like with PCs. Therefore, economy of scale can be pursued.

Q18. When do you expect to start making profit with PS3 business ? It has been reported by Nikkei (dated May 1st) that the "PS3 business will make profit of over 100 billion yen in FY07." Is it true ?
A18. At the early stage after the launch, PS3 expects losses due to start-up cost, etc. However, there is no change in our business model to make profit from both hardware and software. As we have accomplished with PS2, we aim to make PS3 business profitable as soon as possible, by expanding the platform and continuing our cost down measures by reducing the number of components used in the hardware and cutting the cost of key components including semiconductors. However, it's too early to comment on the timing of the turnaround. We have never told Nikkei that "PS3 business will make profit of over 100 billion yen in FY07."

Hardware Functions

Q19. Are there any additional or modified features from E3 last year ?
A19. Please refer to the specification sheet for details.

Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?
A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.

Q21. There were 2 HDMI ports in your original announcement, but why does the 60GB PS3 have only 1 HDMI port ?
A21. Because standardization of image output over the network such as DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) is currently under way, it will become possible to transfer images to multiple displays in ways other than using the HDMI port. It is also possible to connect PSP through the network as a secondary display and enjoy PS3 content remotely (although it depends on the software).

Q22. Can you enjoy progressive images with PS and PS2 titles ?
A22. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts interlace to progressive images (upward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Q23. Can you enjoy full HD PS3 software content with a standard TV ?
A23. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts 1080p to 720p (downward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Q24. Is 60GB HDD large enough for PS3 ?
A24. 60GB is 3 times the capacity of Xbox360 and at the moment we consider it enough to save online game data as well as to transfer various data from other PCs and CE/AV products. If there is need in the future, it is also possible to upgrade storage capacity by exchanging HDD to Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD available on the market.

Q25. Why isn't 20GB PS3 equipped with Memory Stick/SD Memory card/Compact Flash slots ?
A25. PS3 is a computer system. Storage devices can be expanded by using adaptors available on the market.

Q26. The 20GB PS3 does not come with Wi-Fi 802.11, but does this mean that it cannot be connected to PSP ?
A26. Home networking is spreading around the world. With the use of widely available wireless LAN adaptor with USB port, connection to PSP is possible.

Q27. Why did you reduce the number of USB ports from 6 to 4 ?
A27. PS3 is a computer system. Number of ports can be expanded by using adaptors available on the market.

Q28. Why did you reduce the number of Ethernet ports from 3 to 1 ?
A28. We had one input (WAN) and two outputs (LAN) in mind, but given that nowadays network connection is spreading within the homes, we considered that one Ethernet connection to a router would be sufficient.

Q29. Will Linux OS be adopted as you have planned ?
A29. Yes. PS3 is a computer system and Linux OS is adopted as one of the standard OSes.

Q30. How much noise reduction level have you achieved ?
A30. Approximately 29dB (A) (equivalent to slim-line PS2).

Controller

Q31. You mention that PS3 adopts a breakthrough six-axis sensing system that lets you control intuitively as if the controller has become part of your body. How does this work ?
A31. "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, plus "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time (no more specific details to be given).

Q32. Why did you change the design of the controller to that of PS and PS2 ?
A32. We received many feedback after E3 last year and created the PS3 controller by refining and improving the world's most popular Playstation controller that shipped more than several hundred million units worldwide, while inheriting its basic concept and design.

Q33. Can the new features be enjoyed with all PS3 titles ?
A33. It depends on the title, but we expect that software developers would proactively make use of the new PS3 controller.

Q34. You say that PS3 provides backward compatibility of PS and PS2 titles, but would you insist that you offer complete backward compatibility even if vibration feature does not work ?
A34. There is no major difference in gameplay even without the vibration feature. We hope a lot of users will support the new PS3 controller with new ways of enjoyment.

Q35. The controllers shown at the booth are all wired, but will the actual product be wireless ?
A35. Yes. We are using wired controllers since there is too much interference with so many wireless devices on the show floor.

Q36. Will PSP be used as a remote controller ?
A36. We will consider the possibility.

PS3 Software

Q37. We hear rumors from software developers that there are not enough development tools being shipped. Is this true ?
A37. As evident with many game titles demonstrated at E3, development of PS3 titles is duty in progress.

Q38. How much is the estimated price range of the software titles for PS3 ? Is it the same price as PS2 ?
A38. As a platform holder, we are not in a position to comment on this. As a first party title developer/publisher, we assume a wider price range since software can be delivered through various media including packaged discs and network.

Q39. Are all titles shown at E3 (press conference and booth) launch titles ?
A39. Many of the playable titles shown at E3 are likely to be released at or around launch. Some titles shown as (demo) video may also become launch titles.

Q40. Do all titles shown at E3 support 1080p ?
A40. "Gran Turismo HD E3 2006" is demonstrated at 1080p with frame rate of 60 frames per second. As for other titles, some are 1080p and some 720p.

Q41. How many launch titles do you expect to have ?
A41. We expect the best launch line-up in history.



Technology

Blu-ray Disc (BD)

The PS3 will be one of the first BD players on the market with full "BD Live" capability (the ability to access the internet from within the disc and download additional content to the player's internal memory - as well as the ability to enjoy unique, "web-enabled" interactive features, such as bringing up web sites, actor information and bios and related topics in windows (picture in picture) whilst continuing to play the main movie.

The marketing tagline for Blu-ray is Beyond High Definition. The key messaging to support this is :

More High-Def Content
90% of major Hollywood studios, the world's two largest music companies, PLAYSTATION 3 and leading gaming companies all support BD. That means more HD movies, more HD concerts, more HD games and more for you !

More Hi-Def Capabilities
Full 1080p resolution, up to 7.1 channels of surround sound, 50GB of storage capacity, real time internet and network connectivity and interactivity and backwards compatibility with existing DVD libraries.

More Hi-Def Products
Over 85% of the leading consumer electronics companies and the four largest PC brands all support BD.

Region Coding

BD region coding is a simplified version of the DVD region coding system. For BD, the regions are :

Region A - USA and Japan
Region B - Europe, Australia and New Zealand and most of the old PAL territories
Region C - Russia and Asia

BDA specifications stipulate that all BD players, including PLAYSTATION 3, must incorporate region coding and will be single region. It is up to content providers whether or not to apply region coding to their content - all PLAYSTATION 3 games will be region free and will therefore play on any PLAYSTATION 3 regardless of where it was bought.

Controller

The technical description of the Controller from the press release is :

"The controller for PS3 employs a breakthrough technology of high-precision, highly sensitive six-axis sensing system that does not require any devices other than the controller itself for seamless interactive operation, thus eliminating additional setting to TVs. With this technology, ways to enjoy PS3 will be further enhanced by accessing PS3 through the network, while retaining the six-axis sensing capability. In addition to "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time. In addition to standard key input available in existing controllers, more natural and more intuitive manipulation will become possible as if the controller has become part of your body."

This is an overly technical description, and there is a need to simplify the USP for consumers in terms of features and benefits. The new PS3 controller employs cutting edge technology and is a major and key element of the overall PS3 package.

What this means for users is :

-- The new controller for PS3 enables the user to direct characters, vehicles, aircraft and other game elements in the Yaw, Pitch and Roll axes (3 of the six axes mentioned above) without the use of the traditional directional buttons.
-- In addition, the controller's sensors can detect acceleration in each of the above axes (providing the remaining 3 axes), allowing the user to determine the speed of movement of the object being controlled.
-- There us no requirement for any additional sensors in front of the display.
-- The new controller will also allow users to freely navigate the PS3 controls as well as access, move around and operate the PS3's navigation system (Cross Media Bar) using the same sensor based control system.
-- PS3 will come with a single controller
-- Up to 8 controllers can be used

Not all "Day 1" games will employ the innovative features of the controller, but over time, every developer will use the features.

Have you been forced into this "six-axis" approach by losing the "DualShock Vibration" court case against Immersion ?
Not at all. The technology used for the DualShock is now almost 10 years old. Whilst it was revolutionary when PS One launched, technology has moved on, and SCE is always at the forefront of the technology wave. For the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today.

Software

What about the media reports we have seen suggesting that not all PS2 and PS One titles will be backwards compatible ?
Kutaragi San made clear at the Playstation Business Meeting in March that all titles that complied with the TRC (Technical Requirements Checklist) - essentially a blueprint of how to develop a game on the Playstation platform, would be backwards compatible. Nothing has changed from that statement.

In a few instances, developers have applied short cuts or workrounds in the development process to extract the maximum performance from their games. In some cases, these may be not fully comply with the TRC and additional work may be required to make these titles compatible. Our target nevertheless remains 100% backwards compatibility.

The lack of a vibration function when playing PS One or PS2 games on the PS3 does not affect the gameplay (and we can therefore say that there is full backwards compatibiliy).


SCEE E3 MESSAGING DOCUMENT

This document provides some potentially useful sound bites and perspectives on the announcements to be made at E3. It is not exhaustive, and should be read in conjunction with the PS3 Q&A. The key points about PS3 are :

-- PS3 is being positioned as a computer system, and not a computer entertainment system. Like other computer systems, it can be upgraded through the use of readily available industry standard adaptors.
-- There will therefore be two initial configurations of PS3, not two versions.
-- With the exception of the HDMI socket, every aspect of the 20GB model can be upgraded using readily available, industry standard adaptors.
-- No SCEE decision has yet been taken on the splut of PS3 configurations for the SCEE market.


Hardware

How would you position the difference between the two versions of the PS3 announced this week ?
Firstly, the PS3 is a computer system. There may be two configurations but the key elements are standard - Blu-ray disc, Cell chip, Giga-bit Ethernet to provide an always-on connection to the network, and a pre-installed hard disk drive (HDD) as standard.

The difference between the two versions is more to do with the customer who will buy the PS3. The 60GB HDD version comes fully-equipped to exploit the very latest in HD display technology. It also has a full suite of interfaces (I/O connections), including an HDMI connection which will allow it to support full HD (1080i/1080p) flat panel displays. This version is positioned at the consumer who has either adopted HD, or who is planning tu upgrade to HD display technology in the next few years.

We also recognise that there are many potential PS3 owners out there who are either happy with the quality of their existing TV, or have perhaps recently upgraded to a digital TV and do not plan to upgrade further for the time being - for them an HDMI socket is not essential. For these customers, who will not initially need the PSP/PS3 wireless connectivity, the 20GB version may be more appropriate, and will be better value.

Upgradeability
Like other computer systems, it is possible to upgrade the configuration of the PS3. For both models, it is possible to upgrade the hard disk to any industry standard Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD.

For those with the 20GB version, owners who wish to utilise Memory Stick/SD Memory Card/Compact Flash slots or Wi-Fi 802.11 connectivity to PSP can make use of widely available USB wireless LAN adaptors and other industry standard adaptors. Note : The only non upgradeable element of the 20GB version is the HDMI slot, which can not be added later.

PS3 games will look brilliant on a standard TV, but stunning when viewed on a HD display.

TV Connectivity
The issue of connectivity between the PS3 and the display is very complex and depends on the type of TV (Analog, Digital or HD Ready), the maker of TV (until recently, only Toshiba TVs have component AV connections as standard in Europe, most other Euro TV sets use SCART which can not carry an HD signal) and specification of TV (the very latest HD Ready TV sets have wider connectivity options than earlier HD "capable" TVs from the same manufacturer which may have lacked HDMI), and finally the configuration of the PS3 model purchased.

The issue of which cables to supply with the different configurations of PS3 has yet to be decided.

[Raven-X]

I know how expensive the system is going to be, but I still want it. With quality games like Final Fantasy 12 on their way and Metal Gear Solid 4, you can't go wrong.

[Shoden]

Why does everyone still think that the licence one console a game system is still on it's way? Sony have denied it many times, I'm getting one once FFXIII and DMC4 are out, plenty of time to wait.

[Mirage]

Have you been forced into this "six-axis" approach by losing the "DualShock Vibration" court case against Immersion ?
Not at all. The technology used for the DualShock is now almost 10 years old. Whilst it was revolutionary when PS One launched, technology has moved on, and SCE is always at the forefront of the technology wave. For the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today.

LIE LIE LIE

[KentaRawr!]

I know how expensive the system is going to be, but I still want it. With quality games like Final Fantasy 12 on their way and Metal Gear Solid 4, you can't go wrong.

Final Fantasy 12 is for the Ps2.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Have you been forced into this "six-axis" approach by losing the "DualShock Vibration" court case against Immersion ?
Not at all. The technology used for the DualShock is now almost 10 years old. Whilst it was revolutionary when PS One launched, technology has moved on, and SCE is always at the forefront of the technology wave. For the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today.

LIE LIE LIEKaz's stated reason for having no vibration function was that it would interfere with the tilt sensors. Amusingly, though, Immersion recently contacted Sony and pretty confidently said they could help them put non-interfering vibration into the PS3 controller.

[Dreddz]

Vibration isnt the end of the world as many so put :eep:

[Mirage]

Have you been forced into this "six-axis" approach by losing the "DualShock Vibration" court case against Immersion ?
Not at all. The technology used for the DualShock is now almost 10 years old. Whilst it was revolutionary when PS One launched, technology has moved on, and SCE is always at the forefront of the technology wave. For the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today.

LIE LIE LIEKaz's stated reason for having no vibration function was that it would interfere with the tilt sensors. Amusingly, though, Immersion recently contacted Sony and pretty confidently said they could help them put non-interfering vibration into the PS3 controller.
I know they said that, but I'm not sure that's the full truth. I still hope for ruble in the PS3 pad though, but it will probably decrease the battery life even more. That isn't too big of a deal because you can still play while it is charging.

[Dreddz]

Nice article with Kojima talking about the PS3 (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/716/716039p1.html)


' The Wii is interesting, but in terms of functions, it's a machine with past concepts."

[Tidus Andronicus]

Nice article with Kojima talking about the PS3 (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/716/716039p1.html)


' The Wii is interesting, but in terms of functions, it's a machine with past concepts."

Considering what Kojima normally says about the Wii... thats almost hypocritical... XD

But, I will say, when actually talking about 'functions' PS3 might deliver the most seen in a game machine to date. Although I don't quite get how supplying many features that only entertainment tech fanatics want, VS supplying a fun & affordable, game only machine, can make the latter a machine with 'past concepts'... O_o or maybe Kojima was starting to show too much of a liking for Wii, and Sony told him to tone it down? XD

Meh, personally, I still have a disliking for Sony, quality of product and business... and all that other stuff I complain about with Sony these days... lol But I'm still not gonna tell someone not to get a PS3, if they have the money for it, and they want all those features. Heck, those features are heaven for a lot of people. lol I just think the Wii is gonna be a lot better for those that just want some fun games. (plus the more hardcore possibilities make me drool) XD

On another topic... @_@ man I've been seeing a LOT of bad news articles on Digg.com lately, all about Sony... and a lot of good articles on Wii. ^_^;
Sony had a racist ad, people complained, and it was taken down... Sony's having problems with BlueRay... might be delaying it... the Cell is having problems and they can't produce a high enough successful %... @_@ I'm half expecting the next article to say "Sony: PS3 in 2007"... c_c Dono whether to be saddened... or overjoyed for Nintendo... xD I think I'll just feel happy Wii is getting so much support, I like bein a Nfanboy a lot better anyway. XD

For 600$... I don't care if Sony delays it... they just better make it seriously worth it... not for my sake... but for all those poor souls that are going to buy it... XD Seems like they just keep quietly removing features they were praising a year ago... and keep pushing features of a living room computer, that no one really wants... their arrogance keeps rising and their press image keeps declining...

Wow I'm tired... can't think... XD

[Yew-Yevon]

has anyone seen the tonyhalk game their makeing for PS3?

[Dreddz]

I feel so awesome for owning those shoes....

[KentaRawr!]

I feel so awesome for owning those pants...

[DoaJ]

Im so glad they dumped those stupid-ass controllersand went with the original design. The orig. is so useful, easy-to-use, and simple. I lOvE itz!

[Dreddz]

Im so glad they dumped those stupid-ass controllersand went with the original design. The orig. is so useful, easy-to-use, and simple. I lOvE itz!
You do own a PS2, dont you ?

[KentaRawr!]

Im so glad they dumped those stupid-ass controllersand went with the original design. The orig. is so useful, easy-to-use, and simple. I lOvE itz!

It's not really the original, since the original controller to be used with the PSX, if memory serves correctly, didn't have 2 Analog Sticks. :choc2: But I agree. The Ps2 controller is grand! :D The boomerang, while I would have given it a chance, was a bit risky to me. It was hit or miss. I wonder what it would have felt like...

[DeathKnight]

has anyone seen the tonyhalk game their makeing for PS3?

WHOA!.......................................................:eek: that's a game? I was looking at that pic saying "what does this have to do with the PlayStation3 then I read your post and went "Oh hell no!":eek:

PlayStation3 is gonna kick some serious ass! thank god I'm buying it in Nov!:D

[Dreddz]

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/7626/ps3gi6.jpg

I thought this was pretty funny, look directly at the center of the PS3, anyone spot the Apple logo ?

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65958

[Mirage]

Wtf. My best guess would be that it's a reflection from somewhere.

[Dreddz]

Its from a flash for the PS3. How can anything reflect onto it ?

[Mirage]

The picture used in the flash could have had a reflection in it.

[daggertrepe]

Whoa...

[Dreddz]

The picture used in the flash could have had a reflection in it.

Thats impossible as the Apple Logo diappears in the same screenshot.
I think Eurogamer had a good guess

According to Top Men we know, the Apple logo is part of a video playing in the background with a PlayStation 3 overlaid.

"I'd imagine whoever made that flash is the same agency that did something for Apple," our Top Man suggested, "and they haven't reworked the video effect properly."

[Black Mage]

Talk about old news.

An iPod box was used to disperse the smoke when they were filming. The Apple logo from the box shows through as the PS3 didn't completely cover the logo in a few frames.

[Dreddz]

Actually, I just did a bit of research and the reason is because Sony used Apples program Shake to make the flash. There was obviously some mistake made whilst making the flash. They've gotten rid of that flash as far as I know.

[shuhan]

PS3 the best!

[Mirage]

Spoken like a true fanboy! :)

[Angi-Kaiser]

I'm not sure weather it'll be worth getting or not. I mean, it'll have some really great games (FF XIII namely), but dear Lord is it expensive!

[JKTrix]

It's really not that expensive when you take a closer look at it. I mean, what they're putting into the system aside from BluRay makes it a heavy tech system capable of a lot of things. I've seen cameras that are more expensive.
For a game system, it certainly is more expensive than what we've been seeing normally. For a mainstream media entertainment device though, it is surely out of its 'proce bracket'. People who buy thousand dollar cameras are not 'mainstream', they know what they're getting for the price. Sony is trying to market this thing as a high-end device (which it is), and even told people to 'save your money' so you could afford one.

I'm certainly going to get one, but most likely not this year. Once more games that I actually want for it come out (mostly established franchises) then I'll consider it, otherwise i'll be happy with my currently owned systems and the Wii.

Conversely, if Zone of the Enders 3 happens to show its face, I WILL be all over that. In a heartbeat.

[Dreddz]

Its a bargin for what your getting, but its too expensive for what people want.

[Mirage]

Dreddz knows it. They're pushing technology only a minority wants onto everyone. I know I don't care about 1080p :p. Maybe I would in 5 years, but then there's a new console out anyway.
What gave the consoles an edge earlier was the much lower resolution needed for TV screens. Now that they need to push almost as high resolutions as PCs, the price increases too.
And blu-ray. They say game developers want more space, use dual-layer discs. SO3 came on two single-layer DVDs after all, not two dual layer DVDs (though that's because two single layer discs are cheaper than one dual layer).

[Rosenti]

that controller.. OoO0o0OoO00OOoHHHHhhHH! i just wanna grab it and start playing.. lol!

its 6,000 kroners in denmark.. thank god im gonna get a job and 4,500 of my mother heheheheh ps3 here i come!

[Maxico]

They say game developers want more space, use dual-layer discs. SO3 came on two single-layer DVDs after all, not two dual layer DVDs (though that's because two single layer discs are cheaper than one dual layer).

A dual layer disk has slightly less storage space than two DVDs.

Could have been that the game could be stored on two single layer disks, but not a dual layer one.

[Yew-Yevon]

I'm still trying to save for a PS3 (with a $12/hr, 8r job its no sweat) but I went to a Bungie forum site...and you would beleave the hatred toward Sony :(

I'm hoping to wait for PS3 but should I get my hands on a 360 aswell? afterall I got an xbox now and have a few games for it.

[JKTrix]

HD Quality E3 videos (http://www.playsyde.com/news_3319_en.html)

You may have seen the videos before, perhaps even in high quality. I know I haven't seen any clean HD videos from E3. All the ones I've seen have had 'gamevideos.com' or 'ign' or whatever site's watermarks. No watermarks on these!

[MecaKane]

Dreddz knows it. They're pushing technology only a minority wants onto everyone. I know I don't care about 1080p :p. Maybe I would in 5 years, but then there's a new console out anyway.
In two years, or there abouts, every tv station in the US will have to switch to HD, so for 3 years people would be playing 640i games on their 1080i or 1080p TVs they bought to not get left behind.

What gave the consoles an edge earlier was the much lower resolution needed for TV screens.
I wouldn't call that an edge, I'd rather play a PC port with a higher resolution than a low res console version of the same game.

And blu-ray. They say game developers want more space, use dual-layer discs.
a dual layer disk = 8.7GB? Or something like that.
a single layer blu-ray = 25GB
Not exactly the same thing.
They won't need to use all that space at first, just like the first PS2 games didn't use all the DVD space, but now like you said there's games with 2 disks.

[Aurons_Desciple]

Roughly $1200 down here in NZ, it's quite a bit but it's not super expensive i'm gonna be getting on Nov 17

[The Shoeless Hobo]

Roughly $1200 down here in NZ, it's quite a bit but it's not super expensive i'm gonna be getting on Nov 17

It's $999 here in Australia. How much are Xbox 360 games in New Zealand?

[JKTrix]

MGS4 Trailer from Leipzig
http://38.99.15.82/do/newsStory?cId=3153076

[Dreddz]

Meh, neither Nintendo nor Sony pulled out anything amazing. And that was Europes Biggest Gaming Convention. Shows how much they care about Europe....

EDIT - PS3 isnt important anymore :(

[JKTrix]

Sony is going to have 27 playable PS3 titles at TGS, one of them being Devil May Cry 4. Hopefully I can actually get to play 'em. The only thing that would stop me is if the Wii was launched in Japan that day...then I'd be waiting in line for that instead.

[fantasyjunkie]

I know it's a good deal for all the features it has but I can't afford $600. Being a married man with a kid it is out of my price range. And I bet that there are a lot of other married guys out there like me who are going to have to give up a large part of our favorite pasttime, which is playing games. :(

[JKTrix]

2 things you need to buy: A DS and some Chloroform. DS because it's cheap and has some awesome games, and Chloroform to get the kids to sleep in a snap (and the wife if need be).

[KentaRawr!]

Why was the important mark removed? Was it released? >_>...

<_<...

[Aurons_Desciple]

It's $999 here in Australia. How much are Xbox 360 games in New Zealand?

They are roughly $130 (for new releases) which isn't that bad either considering that PS2 games were $120 for about 3 years

[Roto13]

This isn't stickied any more?

[Cid]

*unsticks*

sorry, I don't really see the need to make this "important."

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Yeah, it is kind of bloated and useless at this point.