Why does everybody hate Cait Sith?

[Erdrick Holmes]

This is the one question that boggles my mind. Why do so many people shun him? He's probably the most useful character in combat. His weapons are all on high levels, his got decent magic rating, ansd his limit breaks are forces to be reconed with, slots can do alot of damage and if you're lucky can completly turn the tide of combat.

[Lon611]

its possible that ppl don't like cait sith taht much cuz they don't feel an emotional attachment to them. i mean, i feel for vincent more than i do cait sith, and vincent NEVER talks.

its also quite possible that its because the fact of the matter is, cait sith is a big overstuffed moogle doll. and that doesn't really seem that "cool". or, in some ppl's cases, its just because he was a spy.

i personally go wtih the fact that he's just a puppet controlled by some shinra nobody....if i remember correctly. :rolleyes2

[Erdrick Holmes]

He's controlled by Reeve. That still doesn't change the fact that he kicks loads of ass.

[RedCydranth]

Here's my reasons for not USING Cait Sith.

1. Limit Breaks.. They aren't nearly as useful as anyone elses final ones.

2. There are stronger characters and better magicians. Tifa, Yuffie, Cloud, Red XIII are all better at both in my games. Cid and Barrett are stronger physically than him also. Sure Cait can hit and do magic, but everyone else can to, usually with better results.

3. I don't see a megaphone as a plausible weapon... How can shouting out of a different coloers tube make a big puffball hit harder?

Here's my reasons for not LIKING him.

1. He betrays the group. I do not forgive mutiny.

2. Personality is more than lacking. At least Vincent's silence gives him character, and He has really no background story, other than finding out who's behind the bot.

3. He looks stupid. If it was just the cat, I'd like him. But the big moogle thing looks dumb.

[eestlinc]

I think he's a cool character and has a creative design. I jst never played with him much, but maybe I will next time through the game.

[-N-]

It reminds them of you, Joel. :p

He'd have been good if FFVII didn't allow for all your characters to completely homogenize.

[Reles]

Cait Sith is okay, he's nothing special. His abilities are normal and all, but the main reason why I don't like Cait Sith is because he has no definite personality. One minute he's betraying you, then the next he's completely in love with you and on your side without a reason at all, also willing to destroy his body in the temple. He's very fickle and mysterious and I don't think they put much thought into his character's dialogue. Someone can disagree. *shrugs*

[Meat Puppet]

I keep forgetting Joel has turned to the dark side.

[crazybayman]

He's just friggin' lame, to put it bluntly. I can't get down with clubbing your enemies over the head with a stupid mega phone. I always, in all RPGs prefer the characters that attack with a sword. Then those with martial arts abilities, then those with a lance or spear, and then those with a gun. But never something as stupid as a mega-phone.

And then the fact that he is (or is controlled by) a Shinra spy just justifies me not using him. I didn't use him at all, if I didn't have to in my play-through of FFVII. Plus that dice limit break is dumb as well.

[Erdrick Holmes]

The reason why he uses Megaphones is to shout orders to the giant mog the cat rides on, the stronger the Megaphone the stronger the Mog. I mean Cait Sith's limit Break 'Slot' is just fantastic, if you time it right you can kill al enemies reguardless of them being bosses or not, or can heal your whole part 100%, or do serious damage to the enemies.

[Cloud Returns]

Its not tht i dont like cait sith. I just like Cloud/redXII/Vincent better. :)

[silverpigeon97]

maybe its because all of the other characters are better

[Levian]

maybe its because all of the other characters are better

[Squall of SeeD]

Personally, Cait Sith is one of my three favorites in the game (the other two being Tifa and Yuffie). More specifically, I guess I should say that Reeve, his controller, is one of my three favorites, but I regard them as the same seeing as how Cait Sith is controlled by him.

Sure he betrays the group, but in reality, he was just doing what he joined to do. He betrays Shin-Ra as well in choosing to side with AVALANCHE. He believed in what they were doing and regretted what he had done.

Something I've often said is that Final Fantasy VII is a story about redemption. The majority of our cast has some unsavory things about them, either in their personalities, their past actions, or both. With the exceptions of Nanaki and Aerith, all of them have some obvious atonement to work toward, and in Nanaki's case, he even has his own brand of that due to him having believed his father to be a coward his whole life. With Cait Sith, his purpose is mostly that of symbolism. It's also a story about redemption for humanity itself, but with Cait Sith we see a somewhat more personalized example of redemption.

Reeve has worked for Shin-Ra and more than likely been party to things that were wrong. When President Shinra dropped the Plate on Sector 7, he didn't try to stop it. He opposed the action, but didn't actually make a move to prevent it.

Reeve's true loyalty was to the people of Midgar, and I think he would have betrayed AVALANCHE again if necessary in order to protect those people, but he respected Cloud and the others for what they were doing, seeking to save the Planet without asking for anything in return, and it made him think about his own life. He wanted to live better than he had and in AVALANCHE, he saw what it was to live a better life.

Maybe he appeals to me so much because I'm a fan of the repentant-villain-turned-hero characters, but whatever the reason, I think he's a terrific character.

[Raistlin]

Story-wise, Cait Sith is an excellent character.

Battle-wise, Caith Sith sucks.

[boys from the dwarf]

in answer to the topics question ... i dont. whats wrong with him. hes controlled by reeve but still hes a cat riding a moogle. hes not the best in battle character but his stories O.K. i like pretty much all FF characters apart from the arseholes and cait sith isnt an arsehole.

[Reles]

He just doesn't appeal to me...in the story or in battle. *shrugs*

-Reles

[TurkSlayer]

I thought Cait Sith was great. He may not have been INCREDIBLE when it came to battle, but he wasn't that bad either. And I loved him story-wise. He did betray you, thats true, but think about it, if he hadn't betrayed you, he would have been kicked out of Shin-Ra, and you wouldn't have him as a spy. Besides, you got in the Temple anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Sure, Shin-Ra got in first, but all that really happened is that they lost a Turk, which is ultimately better for you. Anyway, I thought he was a very interesting character. I'm also a cat person, so that may have something to do with it. :D

[Erdrick Holmes]

Story-wise, Cait Sith is an excellent character.

Battle-wise, Caith Sith sucks.

Try USING him in battle, dude.

[Delta]

I just didn't like him in fact the only chracter's I liked were Cid(duh) Tifa Cloud RedXIII and Barret and I only used RedXIII Tifa and Cloud so there

[MAS82587]

Story-wise, Cait Sith is an excellent character.

Battle-wise, Caith Sith sucks.

actually battle-wise, cait sith could become a very powerful phisical attacking threat, and had one of the highest strengths in the game.

[Monol]

I loved cait sith....see at first i liked him cause he's the weirdest looking (i always go for the "diffrent" characters :D ) and i thought he was interesting...

I also thought reeve was awsome...see when i first played FF7 i didnt care about plots (i know i know...i was crazy...even though i enjoyed the game just the same which is why i feel its one of the best..but anyways) I noticed reeve and was like "wow...that guy was insanly cool...i wish i could have none him better or at least had a larger role)
I then find out cait sith and reeve are one in the same...BINGO! There forged argubly my favorite character (vincent..or caith sith)

I can see however why you couldnt like him...but...saying he is a traitor is one thing...but you also have to take into consideration that its because of cait sith...that we our hero's recived the black materia...cait sith was willing to give his life(ok yes he is a stuff doll..but regardless) to aid our heros for the greater good and im sure if reeve was there in pearson he would have done the exact same thing (as Squall of Seed stated of redemption as this would have been his motive) now of course sephiroth got the black materia because of this but it allowed the rest of our heros to survive to continue their goal...

All in all i think cait sith is a great character...if your gonna hate him...thats fine...but dont think he didnt earn his right as a hero in final fantasy 7...because he did...as did the the rest of our awsome characters :cool:

[Raistlin]

Story-wise, Cait Sith is an excellent character.

Battle-wise, Caith Sith sucks.

Try USING him in battle, dude.
No, really? Is that what I'm missing?

I've used Caith Sith in battle before, purely because I love his character. Compared to Red XIII, Cid, Tifa, and Yuffie, he really sucks in battle. He's got high HP and can pack a punch, but his weak magic and unreliable limits put him down with Vincent and Barret as to his usefulness in battle.

Also, the only good thing on his limit break is the instant-kill slot. As if FF7 wasn't easy enough.

[Erdrick Holmes]

Save it up for Emerald Weapon.

[Sepho]

Selphie has her fancy smancy 'The End' limit break, but it's still not enough to warrant her use in battle. Cait Sith's limits aren't that great.

Neel's right - the materia system does away with individual specialties (there are no tanks, healers, etc.), meaning that your left to choose your battle party based on limit breaks and who looks cool. I don't use Cait Sith in battle, but I like him, story-wise.

I absolutely do not hate Cait Sith as a character, and I'll never forgive you Joel for putting words into my mouth :mad2:

[Reles]

Okay so...FFVII in my opinion has a whole lot of GREAT characters. They each have outstanding personalities and abilities. When you put them lined up together you can't help but to love each and every one of them. Cait Sith however comes in last place for most people....sorry to say this.

-Reles

[Dreddz]

I dont see much difference in the characters as they can all be the same, But Cait Sith is weak and his limits werent so good
I chose Cloud, Cid and Tifa in my group

[Carl the Llama]

for a start Cait Sith would of turned the temple into the black materia even had we not approved coupled with the fact that he said that he kidnaped marlene and said that he would come along even if they didnt want him to, i do like him for the fact that he would do anything for his people... had Reeve joined the party himself instead of haveing some big stuffed mog in your party the fact of the matter no matter how many times he could of died he would still have a replacement anyway, if Reeve would have come out to the front line himself he would have earned my respect but he never did so i dont like him. one thing i dont understand is when at the end of disk 2 he goes to midgar to check on his people when he should of already been there?

[Drift]

aw theres nothing wrong with cait apart from a really bad limit break.

[ShunNakamura]

Cait Sith is cool but I like other characters more. Such as Yuffie.

The few times I've used him in battle I have noticed he could be decent. But there appears that there are better overall characters. With her conformer Yuffie can easily hit the damage limit(or wiht me she does) thus she hits as hard physically as Cait Sith. And with her magic she hits harder. Her limit breaks are stronger overall. And since she is always in the back row she can take quite bit. She also has the speed advantage.

Now up to the conformer point Cait Sith likely hits harder.. but Yuffie is still faster and can take alot(back row). I always value speed over brute force.


Anyways if his limit break was better such getting a total of four gambling type moves. We have dice and slots. Why not something else as well.. Limits are fun... and he has so few of them.

[Squall of SeeD]

for a start Cait Sith would of turned the temple into the black materia even had we not approved coupled with the fact that he said that he kidnaped marlene and said that he would come along even if they didnt want him to...

I doubt he actually kidnapped her in the manner that he implied. I don't see Reeve as the type who would have kicked down the door of Elmyra's house with a swarm of gun-toting soldiers behind him to capture a little girl. He probably very simply just told Elmyra that she and Marlene would be safer in Kalm and offered them an escort to get there.

I didn't get the impression that Marlene was terrified when Cait Sith let her voice come through the radio he held in the Gold Saucer. She seemed more surprised than anything to be hearing their voices, especially Aerith's.



i do like him for the fact that he would do anything for his people... had Reeve joined the party himself instead of haveing some big stuffed mog in your party the fact of the matter no matter how many times he could of died he would still have a replacement anyway, if Reeve would have come out to the front line himself he would have earned my respect but he never did so i dont like him.

They never really went back toward Midgar until Disc 2, at which time Reeve was going to go with them himself, but the Shin-Ra soldiers had arrested him already and were still after him, so he had been taken in by some of Midgar's citizens:


::Cait Sith comes back online::

Barret
"Well lookey-here. The Shinra manager's come back."

::Cait Sith stands up and goes over to the group and bows::

Cait Sith
"Uh, excuse me but..."
"I wanted to come with the main group, but I couldn't get
away......"
"So some people in Midgar took me in."

::He straightens back up::

Cait Sith
"I know I have a stuffed animal body, but I'll work really hard!"

So it's not really like he didn't want to. Besides, being in Midgar allowed him to make sure everyone got in the Slums when Meteor started coming down, so it was probably best that he stayed there.



one thing i dont understand is when at the end of disk 2 he goes to midgar to check on his people when he should of already been there?

What scene are you referring to? They go to Midgar the first time because Diamond WEAPON was flying toward it and they were trying to protect it. They go back because Hojo went insane and was going to fire upon the Northern Crater with the Sister Ray a second time, putting Midgar in danger.

[Raistlin]

Save it up for Emerald Weapon.
I'd prefer to actually fight Emerald Weapon, and, y'know, play the game.

[DMKA]

I'd prefer to actually fight Emerald Weapon, and, y'know, play the game.
You're weird.

[Erdrick Holmes]

Save it up for Emerald Weapon.
I'd prefer to actually fight Emerald Weapon, and, y'know, play the game.

"Fighting emerald" is the biggest oxymoron snece "Fun-Run". You don't fight the sucker, you let it assrape you.

[Raistlin]

Only if you're thick enough not to notice at least one of the strategies to which he can readily be beaten. Hell, I've beaten him without any materia equipped at all.

[Carl the Llama]

for a start Cait Sith would of turned the temple into the black materia even had we not approved coupled with the fact that he said that he kidnaped marlene and said that he would come along even if they didnt want him to...

I doubt he actually kidnapped her in the manner that he implied. I don't see Reeve as the type who would have kicked down the door of Elmyra's house with a swarm of gun-toting soldiers behind him to capture a little girl. He probably very simply just told Elmyra that she and Marlene would be safer in Kalm and offered them an escort to get there.
If an old man comes and says come into my car i have candy to a child in a playground or something like that it doesnt require the force your talking about, and even if he didnt do that, who said it was him who kidnaped her in the first place, kidnapping is the work of Turk's not some shinra manager.


I didn't get the impression that Marlene was terrified when Cait Sith let her voice come through the radio he held in the Gold Saucer. She seemed more surprised than anything to be hearing their voices, especially Aerith's.
the fact of the matter was not weather she was treated well, in fact if she wasnt treated with utmost care and respect im sure they would do anything to get her back... its a fact that even if your kept in a palace against your own will it also is a prison no matter how well they are treated and if they didnt let Cait Sith come along they would have taken action against the group by do somthing to Marlene




i do like him for the fact that he would do anything for his people... had Reeve joined the party himself instead of haveing some big stuffed mog in your party the fact of the matter no matter how many times he could of died he would still have a replacement anyway, if Reeve would have come out to the front line himself he would have earned my respect but he never did so i dont like him.

They never really went back toward Midgar until Disc 2, at which time Reeve was going to go with them himself, but the Shin-Ra soldiers had arrested him already and were still after him, so he had been taken in by some of Midgar's citizens:


::Cait Sith comes back online::

Barret
"Well lookey-here. The Shinra manager's come back."

::Cait Sith stands up and goes over to the group and bows::

Cait Sith
"Uh, excuse me but..."
"I wanted to come with the main group, but I couldn't get
away......"
"So some people in Midgar took me in."

::He straightens back up::

Cait Sith
"I know I have a stuffed animal body, but I'll work really hard!"

So it's not really like he didn't want to. Besides, being in Midgar allowed him to make sure everyone got in the Slums when Meteor started coming down, so it was probably best that he stayed there.



one thing i dont understand is when at the end of disk 2 he goes to midgar to check on his people when he should of already been there?

What scene are you referring to? They go to Midgar the first time because Diamond WEAPON was flying toward it and they were trying to protect it. They go back because Hojo went insane and was going to fire upon the Northern Crater with the Sister Ray a second time, putting Midgar in danger.
im refering to the sceen where cloud says to everyone on the highwind
Cait Sith: Shinra's...... finished.

Cloud: Meteor's gonna fall in about......

Red XIII: Seven more days. That's what Grandfather said.

Cloud: Red XIII...... You want to see everyone in Cosmo Canyon again?

Red XIII: .........yes.

Cloud: (to Barret) You want to see Marlene, right?

Barret: Don't ask me that.

Cloud: We'll beat Sephiroth... Then, if we don't release the power of
Holy in seven days...... There won't be a planet left to protect. If we
can't beat Sephiroth... It's as good as death for us. We'll just go a
few days sooner than the rest who'll die from Meteor.

Barret: Don't be thinkin' you're gonna lose before you even fight!

Cloud: No! What I meant was... What are we all fighting for? I want us
all to understand that. Save the planet... for the future of the
planet... Sure, that's all fine. But really, is that really how it is?
For me, this is a personal feud. I want to beat Sephiroth. And settle
my past. Saving the planet just happens to be part of that. I've been
thinking. I think we all are fighting for ourselves. For ourselves...
and that someone... something... what ever it is, that's important to
us. That's what we're fighting for. That's why we keep up this battle
for the planet.

Barret: You're right... It sounds cool sayin' it's to save the planet.
But I was the one who blew up that Mako Reactor...... Lookin' back on
it now, I can see that wasn't the right way to do things. I made a lot
of friends and innocent bystanders suffer... ...At first, it was
revenge against Shinra. For attackin' my town. But now...... Yeah. I'm
fightin' for Marlene. For Marlene... For Marlene's future... Yeah... I
guess I want to save the planet for Marlene's sake...

Cloud: Go and see her. Make sure you're right, and come back. All of
you. Get off the ship and find out your reasons for yourselves. I want
you to make sure. Then I want you to come back.

Cid: Maybe ain't none of us'll come back. Meteor's gonna kill us
anyway. Let's just forget any useless struggling!

Cloud: I know why I'm fighting. I'm fighting to save the planet, and
that's that. But besides that, There's something personal too... A very
personal memory that I have. What about you all? I want all of you to
find that something within yourselves. If you don't find it, then
that's okay too. You can't fight without a reason, right? So, I won't
hold it against you if you don't come back.

Everyone left, then with Cloud and Tifa solo...

[ShunNakamura]

Oh sure what he did is still kidnapping. However, the party would not have allowed him to join and be of service if he did not do it. He knew that. He got the ends that were needed and he did it(imo) in one of the most humane ways possible.

He is simply proficent while doing as little harm as possible. That deserves respect, imo.

[Squall of SeeD]

who said it was him who kidnaped her in the first place, kidnapping is the work of Turk's not some shinra manager.

My point was, he didn't give the impression that he would have had her forcefully taken unless necessary, probably looking for a way that would keep both her and Elmyra calm when taking them to Kalm.



the fact of the matter was not weather she was treated well, in fact if she wasnt treated with utmost care and respect im sure they would do anything to get her back... its a fact that even if your kept in a palace against your own will it also is a prison no matter how well they are treated and if they didnt let Cait Sith come along they would have taken action against the group by do somthing to Marlene

I was suggesting that Elmyra and Marlene were taken to Kalm under the pretense of keeping them safe. That is, without realizing they were prisoners, and, thus, preventing them from being terrified or some such thing.



im refering to the sceen where cloud says to everyone on the highwind
[Scene from the game where everyone leaves the Highwind]

Yes, I know that. And as I pointed out, the next morning, Reeve states that he wanted to come with them, but he couldn't get out of Midgar and was taken in by some citizens.

[Carl the Llama]

who said it was him who kidnaped her in the first place, kidnapping is the work of Turk's not some shinra manager.

My point was, he didn't give the impression that he would have had her forcefully taken unless necessary, probably looking for a way that would keep both her and Elmyra calm when taking them to Kalm.


the fact of the matter was not weather she was treated well, in fact if she wasnt treated with utmost care and respect im sure they would do anything to get her back... its a fact that even if your kept in a palace against your own will it also is a prison no matter how well they are treated and if they didnt let Cait Sith come along they would have taken action against the group by do somthing to Marlene

I was suggesting that Elmyra and Marlene were taken to Kalm under the pretense of keeping them safe. That is, without realizing they were prisoners, and, thus, preventing them from being terrified or some such thing.
even so, shinra took her prisoner (even if she didnt know they were) and what I dont get is what would they have to keep her safe from? cmon think about it, if a company came along that was responsible for takeing Aerith away and that same company came along and said to you come to kalm its safer there. would you trust them, I know I wouldnt and if you mean to kill do you "give off the impression" that you intended to kill them, jus because you think you know someone doesnt mean that you do after all he does work for the shinra and if he is a man of honner he should of never taken that action against them.



im refering to the sceen where cloud says to everyone on the highwind
[Scene from the game where everyone leaves the Highwind]

Yes, I know that. And as I pointed out, the next morning, Reeve states that he wanted to come with them, but he couldn't get out of Midgar and was taken in by some citizens.
Thats not what I was questioning, I was questioning why Cait Sith went to Midgar as Reeve was already there? I wasnt questioning why he didnt come

[ShunNakamura]

*scratches head*... hmm. that is a good question.

Perhaps he brought the puppet back so that he could perform basic maintanace on it before the final battle?

[Squall of SeeD]

even so, shinra took her prisoner (even if she didnt know they were) and what I dont get is what would they have to keep her safe from? cmon think about it, if a company came along that was responsible for takeing Aerith away and that same company came along and said to you come to kalm its safer there. would you trust them, I know I wouldnt and if you mean to kill do you "give off the impression" that you intended to kill them, jus because you think you know someone doesnt mean that you do after all he does work for the shinra and if he is a man of honner he should of never taken that action against them.

I see your point, though what I was getting at is that I don't think he intended to harm them in the first place. He knew Barret and Cloud would let him stay with them at suggesting that Marlene would be in danger.

As for what he would tell Elmyra about her staying safe, in that situation, personally I wouldn't have told her "Hey, I'm from Shin-Ra. Please trust me?" I would have said "I'm a member of AVALANCHE, the Shin-Ra resistance movement. You met some of our people a few days ago. They freed your daughter from the Shin-Ra building and are currently on the run. Shin-Ra may seek retribution against you, so I suggest you come with us to a safehouse."

Granted, we don't know how he actually handled that situation, but I doubt it was in such a way as to scare them /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gifless.



Thats not what I was questioning, I was questioning why Cait Sith went to Midgar as Reeve was already there? I wasnt questioning why he didnt come

After Shin-Ra was crushed? Cait Sith didn't go to Midgar. It sat on the Highwind offline all night and Reeve turned it back on in the morning.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

It was? Do they say that in the Japanese version? Or, are you just supposed to assume it went offline b/c it doesn't make sense he would go to Midgar.

[Carl the Llama]

Quick question for you Squall, if he was arrested by the Shin-Ra how was it posible to for him to continue controling the mog? dont you think that they would of taken it away?

[Squall of SeeD]

It was? Do they say that in the Japanese version? Or, are you just supposed to assume it went offline b/c it doesn't make sense he would go to Midgar.

I seem to recall it sitting on the bridge on the Highwind, and as everyone came back, it turned back on and Barret said "Well lookey-here. The Shinra manager's come back." Then Cait Sith bounces over, bows, and Reeve explains why he wasn't able to come himself.



Quick question for you Squall, if he was arrested by the Shin-Ra how was it posible to for him to continue controling the mog? dont you think that they would of taken it away?

He obviously got away from the soldiers who arrested him. He then fled but wasn't able to get out of the city. Thus, he was taken in by some citizens. He explains this, though we're left to assume he broke away from the soldiers who grabbed him:


Cait Sith
"Uh, excuse me but..."
"I wanted to come with the main group, but I couldn't get
away......"
"So some people in Midgar took me in."

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Hey I thought of something. How can Cait Sith say something in the ending about Midgar after Meteor's been trashing it if Reeve is in Midgar?

[Squall of SeeD]

Hey I thought of something. How can Cait Sith say something in the ending about Midgar after Meteor's been trashing it if Reeve is in Midgar?

Because he wasn't killed and is still alive in the present.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I hope Reeve comes back in AC. He'll tell us how the heck he survived. It's too bad Reeve couldn't join your party if he could survive that.

[Squall of SeeD]

I hope Reeve comes back in AC. He'll tell us how the heck he survived. It's too bad Reeve couldn't join your party if he could survive that.

Some of the latest trailers and scans for Advent Children show Cait Sith, so Reeve will be in there in one form or another.

[Dr. Casey]

Heh, Reeve sure does get into the Caith Sith role. "Don't forget me, even if another Caith Sith comes along..." It's kind of funny picturing a grown man all by himself saying that.

[daggertrepe]

I could NEVER sit there and watch Cait Sith in battle. I mean, come on, he bounces around. He distracts you. I think that is annoying enough. Can't he just stand still? Also, he is good for almost nothing.

[Destai]

Im pretty sure for most people (in this thread also, despite most reasons for disliking him you'll read) people just didnt like the look of him and didnt think he looked cool and "Sephiroth" enough for them. I think that applies to most people , even the people who claim to dislike his personality or the OMG'z HE BETRAYED CLOUDeZ.

[English Devil]

I actually quite like CS. He was always strong when I used him, and I remember he was a great boon in Corel Desert when trying to find Dyne because his Dice Limit beat the crap outta the Sand Worms....

Incidentally I'm pretty sure Cait is controlled by a faceless nobody until he grabs the Black Materia in the Temple Of Ancients. After that its Reeve, although I may be wrong.

I'm pretty sure that's right (check when Cait steals the Keystone), so its not the same person doing the betraying. Plus, Reeve wouldn't really be the first to betray the gang, since he's sympathetic to their cause anyway.

[Butz]

I actually liked him, his weapons had a lot of materia slots.. he looks stupid, he's a bad fortune-teller, etc.. but give 'em some materia and watch him go in the battle.. for most of the time he was a definite member of my party..

[dyne trance]

i hate cait sith cuz it won't shut up. plus it's shin-ra and betrayed the whole party so you have to hunt him down for that fetching key. me and my bro started a new FF7 file and named him Douchebag :tongue:
i hate cait sith