can we all agree...

[Fire_Emblem776]

okay we all can agree that ares dies no matter what right? and she cant be rivied right *i wish* lets just agree that she was to die at disk 2-3 insted. When can you get to the ice place anyways?
Theproff is all their, in the death sceane thate are many flaws. Septhoth comes up and impales her, that is not possible if she was in a dome. SO it had to be the northern cave area., Further more the backgroud is dark, their is no archurexture of the city of the ancit ists all bare like the mountain..
And why does sephy have no gloves on top and gloves for no reaosn at all apptet? FMV are always correct unless they are shown to early. Like how can we not see cloud when he drope ares? and just becae she is dead her hair comes undine?
what is that yelloy ord at the 3 disk? if holy is green as shon is areth death?
ahh and if you put VII in your pc (the ps verosin) you find many odd things that we n ever se the *seeacret cave that playes arth theme that you can never go to. SO she was to dies theri!!!AHh

and another thing. What dies it say on jenovas head?
i got 1997, copyright, square thats all i could read onit *sifh* i recently startd a file on VII and yes arth *ghosr does aper* but you dont totic its a glitch it was their arter she was kidnapped.
and the scene insed the hunny be inn was amusing..... Bikinni breifs? tight fitting?! ah *shudder* cloud wearing them ewwww

[Squall of SeeD]

okay we all can agree that ares dies no matter what right?

We have all agreed on that and the fact that she wasn't intended to come back.



lets just agree that she was to die at disk 2-3 insted. When can you get to the ice place anyways?

...She wasn't. That article on FFVII Citadel (http://www.ff7citadel.com/secrets/sa_seen4.shtml) -- as I pointed out in your other Thread (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62802&page=2) on the matter -- makes a flawed argument:


1) The light that is seen behind the Sephiroth form is shining on Cloud's face before the Sephiroth form ever appears.

2) This same light was completely surrounding Aerith.

3) The camera smoothly transitions upward from Aerith's positon on the altar in the City of the Ancients to the area above from which the Sephiroth form descends.

4) Aerith can, indeed, be seen while the Sephiroth form is still without gloves.

5) The scene is full of errors:

Depending on the version one is playing, when approaching the altar, she either has her back to the stairs or is facing them. In any event, when Cloud gets up there and holds his sword above her, she's facing the stairs. As the FMV of her death begins, she is still facing the stairs. When the Sephiroth form descends, it isn't wearing gloves, nor is there glass dome around the altar any longer. When Aerith is skewered, not only is the Sephiroth form now wearing gloves, but the stairs are behind both Aerith and the Sephiroth form. When the FMV ends, the Sephiroth form is now facing the stairs and there is a glass dome around the altar once again.

One more error added to half a dozen others isn't cause for a revelation.



Theproff is all their...

It really isn't.



...in the death sceane thate are many flaws.

Yes, there are. But they relate to things disappearing when they shouldn't have or the position of one or more characters being off.



Septhoth comes up and impales her, that is not possible if she was in a dome.

Yes, that's a stupid mistake. However, it's easily explained by the fact that the game FMVs were made first. The environment maps (on which we can see the glass dome) were made in the following year and a half by different development members. That's the reason for the inconsistency.



SO it had to be the northern cave area.

It really didn't.



Further more the backgroud is dark, their is no archurexture of the city of the ancit ists all bare like the mountain.

The altar is there. That is architecture. In any event, everything else was dark so as to put the focus on the Sephiroth form and Aerith.



And why does sephy have no gloves on top and gloves for no reaosn at all apptet?

Because it's an error. One of several that the FMV and the game itself has. One could as easily ask why Aerith's face is to the stairs when the FMV begins, but then her back is to them at its end.

For that matter, the point FFVII Citadel made about the Sephiroth form not being visibile when it had no gloves at the same time Aerith was on-screen is false. Here's proof: Linkage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Final%20Fantasy%20VII/DeathsDescent.jpg).



FMV are always correct unless they are shown to early.

What are you talking about? That game is full of FMVs with errors.

Here's examples:


The Amazing Shrinking Ultimate WEAPON:

When we first see Ultimate WEAPON, it is larger than the Highwind:

Linkage 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/UltimateTowersOvertheHighwind.jpg).
Linkage 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/UltimateTowersOvertheHighwind2.jpg).

Indeed, its shadow even covered the deck of the ship:

No Shadow (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/UltimateComes.jpg).
Big-Ass Shadow (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/UltimateComes2.jpg).

Later, however, when the party confronts Ultimate WEAPON to battle in the skies, the WEAPON is no longer of its previous vast size, but, instead, is only about 4 times taller than the party members and much smaller than the Highwind:

The battle with the WEAPON (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/UltimateWEAPON2.jpg).


Meteor Goes Backwards!:

When Meteor is first shown, it is already within the Planet's atmosphere. There are even clouds behind it:

Linkage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/MeteorComes.jpg).

However, later, it is in space:

Linkage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/MeteorRemains.jpg).


The Shin-Ra No. 26 Rocket Plays Hop-Skotch Up and Down the Main Street in Rocket Town:

Note the location of the Rocket from the Inn on the environment maps:

Linkage 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/RocketTown.jpg).
Linkage 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/RocketTown2.jpg).

However, when the FMV of the Rocket's launch is shown, the Rocket is now behind the Inn:

Rocket Launch (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/RocketTownFMV.jpg).

Further, the propulsion of the Rocket levels Cid's house:

Linkage 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/RocketTownFMV4.jpg).
Linkage 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/RocketTownFMV6.jpg).

However, his house is fine later.


The Sister Ray's Curve Ball:

When fired at Midgar, the Sister Ray fires a beam of Mako through Diamond WEAPON and all the way to the barrier that prevented entry into the Northern Crater. What's interesting about this is that if one positions the Highwind directly above the Sister Ray on the World Map, lining the ship up with the giant cannon, and then flies in a straight line toward the Northern Continent, following the path which a beam fired by the Sister Ray should travel, the path that one will follow misses the Northern Crater by a large margin.


Cosmo Canyon Taking a Walk Across the Sea:

There are clearly mountains in the area surrounding Cosmo Canyon:

The Cosmo Canyon Area (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/CosmoCanyonontheWorldMap.jpg).

Further, Cosmo Canyon lies on a seperate continent from Midgar. However, during the game's ending FMV, Midgar is in plain sight of Cosmo Canyon with no mountains obstructing one's view of the city, nor is there an ocean lying between the two locations:

Linkage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/MidgarInSightOfCosmoCanyon.jpg).



what is that yelloy orb at the 3 disk? if holy is green as shon is areth death?

That orb was likely the core of the Planet. Here's an explanation I've written on it in the past:


One of the enduring mysteries of Final Fantasy VII -- and a point of quite a bit of speculation -- is the nature of the sphere that Cloud sees in his mind while it journeys to battle Sephiroth's form after the destruction of Sephiroth's body (see the sphere here: Linkage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/GaiasCore.jpg)). Sometimes speculated to have been the Promised Land, other times speculated to have been the Cetra's homeworld, and any number of other things, I believe the answer lies in just where it was that AVALANCHE had confronted JENOVA/Sephiroth: The center of the Planet.

To be more specific, AVALANCHE would have been in close proximity to Gaia's core, and I believe that the sphere that Cloud witnessed overhead is the core itself.

For why I believe this to be so, there is, first, the Lifestream's presence after Cloud has defeated Sephiroth's form, and, second, the very similar sphere seen within Final Fantasy X/X-2's world, Spira, on the Farplane:
The sphere on the Farplane (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/SpirasCore.jpg).
Another shot of the sphere (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/SpirasCore2.jpg).

Recall that the Farplane lay at the center of Spira, and the abundant amount of Spirit Energy (Pyreflies) floating around in there. We know that the lifeforce of the Planet itself resided within the Farplane based on Shinra's analysis of the area in Final Fantasy X-2:


Shinra: Aha...

Yuna: What are you looking at?

Shinra: Farplane data.

Shinra: The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there.

Yuna: Limitless energy?

Shinra: The life force that flows through our planet...I think.

Like Spira's core, where Pyreflies (Spirit Energy) freely moved about in close proximity, when Cloud looks up at the sphere above him, there are small orbs of energy floating about.

We find another similarity when looking at the Gaia of Earth in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within: The Gaia (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/TheGaia.jpg). While we can't determine from this shot if the energy below Aki and Gray has a sphere form, based on its depth within the Earth and the nature of density within the Earth, it's safe to assume (as even the metallic core of our own Earth is believed to be a sphere due to density).

While not a very elaborate explanation, I believe that the simplicity of this theory adds to its plausibility, and that it is the most likely of all all possible explanations.


It not being green isn't an issue. Besides, Holy is blue-ish-white anyway.



SO she was to dies theri!!!AHh

And there's a room of a gigantic Aerith telling Cloud that he is in Hades buried in the game's code. That hardly means it was supposed to be present in the game.



and another thing. What dies it say on jenovas head?i got 1997, copyright, square thats all i could read onit

I can't make it all out, but the year on it is 1995. That's the year the game's FMVs were made.

[boys from the dwarf]

O.K but ive got a question what is sephiroth. i remember in a flashback that he isnt human is he an ancient or a monster or something else.

[Ravenmorghane]

Sephiroth was a human whom was unfortunately born son to a mad scientist called Hojo. Hojo decided to experiment on his son (possibly before he was born I'm not sure cus I havent played it in a while) and injected him with jenova cells - the first Jenova experiment which made Sephy special. He then had the mako treatment like every SOLDIER dude. Does that answer the question?
And for future reference could those who want to make INTELLIGENT suggestions concerning Aeris or any other argument please make their writing at least vaguely coherant, I could barely understand this thread-starter at all. Unintelligent arguments can be saved for little schoolkids who believe anything.

[Squall of SeeD]

Sephiroth was a human whom was unfortunately born son to a mad scientist called Hojo. Hojo decided to experiment on his son (possibly before he was born I'm not sure cus I havent played it in a while) and injected him with jenova cells - the first Jenova experiment which made Sephy special. He then had the mako treatment like every SOLDIER dude. Does that answer the question?

Not completely. People always seem to forget that the JENOVA Project was Gast's and that Hojo and Lucrecia (Sephiroth's parents) were his assistants. Both Hojo and Lucrecia willingly offered up both her and their unborn child to experimentation, and Gast and Hojo both carried out the injection procedure, injecting Lucrecia's womb with JENOVA Cells:


Cloud
"Sephiroth is your son!?

Hojo
"Ha, ha, ha..."
"I offered the woman with my child to Professor Gast's Jenova
Project."
"When Sephiroth was still in the womb, we took the cells of
Jenova..."
"HA, HA, HA!!"

[Garnie]

allthough this is an intressting argument and i had to read it twice to come up with my answer i have desided that..........AERIS IS A BITCH SHE DIED AND TOCK MY WIZARD BANGLE WITH HER.....I HATE HER!!!1 :mad2:

[Masamune·1600]

allthough this is an intressting argument and i had to read it twice to come up with my answer i have desided that..........AERIS IS A BITCH SHE DIED AND TOCK MY WIZARD BANGLE WITH HER.....I HATE HER!!!1

There is no piece of armor called a Wizard Bangle. The closest thing would undoubtedly be a Wizard Bracelet, but you receive one for the first time following the fight against Jenova∙LIFE, at which point Aeris has already left the party and died. Further, one can buy as many Wizard Bracelets as desired at Mideel. Aeris does have a weapon called the Wizard Staff, as well as one called the Wizer Staff. In both cases, however, they can be bought in bulk in Junon during Discs 2 and 3, and could only be used by Aeris anyway.

[Ravenmorghane]

well yeah tiny detail... its not that important, the important thing is he was human but got experimented on, injected with Jenova cells then treated with mako .. he wasnt bred as a monster really. Hojo was the main evil scientist anyway, Ghast gave up and had baby Aeris with Ifaina well it roughly happened like that, remembering it been a long time since I played this game!

[boys from the dwarf]

ya know that thing with the wizard bangle thing that happened to me but it wasnt the bangle it was the bahamut materea i was so pissed off but then just before i destoyed the world i noticed that the materia aeris had was put in my inventory.(phew)and thanks for the help about sephiroth and stuff.

[Crop]

okay we all can agree that ares dies no matter what right? and she cant be rivied right *i wish* lets just agree that she was to die at disk 2-3 insted. When can you get to the ice place anyways?
Theproff is all their, in the death sceane thate are many flaws. Septhoth comes up and impales her, that is not possible if she was in a dome. SO it had to be the northern cave area., Further more the backgroud is dark, their is no archurexture of the city of the ancit ists all bare like the mountain..
And why does sephy have no gloves on top and gloves for no reaosn at all apptet? FMV are always correct unless they are shown to early. Like how can we not see cloud when he drope ares? and just becae she is dead her hair comes undine?
what is that yelloy ord at the 3 disk? if holy is green as shon is areth death?
ahh and if you put VII in your pc (the ps verosin) you find many odd things that we n ever se the *seeacret cave that playes arth theme that you can never go to. SO she was to dies theri!!!AHh

and another thing. What dies it say on jenovas head?
i got 1997, copyright, square thats all i could read onit *sifh* i recently startd a file on VII and yes arth *ghosr does aper* but you dont totic its a glitch it was their arter she was kidnapped.
and the scene insed the hunny be inn was amusing..... Bikinni breifs? tight fitting?! ah *shudder* cloud wearing them ewwww



Methinks you is too fussy, the game was made in 1997 give it some credit, it has to have some mistakes! you should enjoy the game more than pointing out flaws.

[Carl the Llama]

okay we all can agree that ares dies no matter what right? and she cant be rivied right *i wish* lets just agree that she was to die at disk 2-3 insted. When can you get to the ice place anyways?
Theproff is all their, in the death sceane thate are many flaws. Septhoth comes up and impales her, that is not possible if she was in a dome. SO it had to be the northern cave area., Further more the backgroud is dark, their is no archurexture of the city of the ancit ists all bare like the mountain..
And why does sephy have no gloves on top and gloves for no reaosn at all apptet? FMV are always correct unless they are shown to early. Like how can we not see cloud when he drope ares? and just becae she is dead her hair comes undine?
what is that yelloy ord at the 3 disk? if holy is green as shon is areth death?
ahh and if you put VII in your pc (the ps verosin) you find many odd things that we n ever se the *seeacret cave that playes arth theme that you can never go to. SO she was to dies theri!!!AHh

and another thing. What dies it say on jenovas head?
i got 1997, copyright, square thats all i could read onit *sifh* i recently startd a file on VII and yes arth *ghosr does aper* but you dont totic its a glitch it was their arter she was kidnapped.
and the scene insed the hunny be inn was amusing..... Bikinni breifs? tight fitting?! ah *shudder* cloud wearing them ewwww
do you never give up... who cares when she dies the fact will still remain she will end up dead, dead as a can of spam and no amount of whinning will bring her back she is dead jus let it go yes you might wish to have her a little bit longer but she will still be dead do you understand the message im trying to give you: SHE IS DEADSO STOP COMPLAINING

[Destai]

Ares xD

[Drift]

Ares xD

got to LOVE the spelling