Is it me...or all these rubbish songs

[tomamar04]

These are the UK number 1's so far this year...and they are all crap...do you agree?

8/1/05 - Steve Brookstein - Against All Odds
15/1/05 - Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock
22/1/05 - Elvis Presley - One Night
29/1/05 - Ciara - Goodies
5/2/05 - Elvis Presley - It's Now Or Never
12/2/05 - Eminem - Like Toy Soldiers
19/2/05 - U2 - Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
26/2/05 - Jennifer Lopez - Get Right
12/3/05 - Stereophonics - Dakota
19/3/05 - McFly - All About You
26/3/05 until 7/5/05 - Tony Christie - Is This The Way To Amarillo?
14/5/05 until 21/5/05 - Akon - Lonely
28/5/05 - Oasis - Lyla
4/6/05 - until present - Axel F - Crazy Frog.

[Devourment]

These are the UK number 1's so far this year...and they are all crap...do you agree?

8/1/05 - Steve Brookstein - Against All Odds
15/1/05 - Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock
22/1/05 - Elvis Presley - One Night
29/1/05 - Ciara - Goodies
5/2/05 - Elvis Presley - It's Now Or Never
12/2/05 - Eminem - Like Toy Soldiers
19/2/05 - U2 - Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
26/2/05 - Jennifer Lopez - Get Right
12/3/05 - Stereophonics - Dakota
19/3/05 - McFly - All About You
26/3/05 until 7/5/05 - Tony Christie - Is This The Way To Amarillo?
14/5/05 until 21/5/05 - Akon - Lonely
28/5/05 - Oasis - Lyla
4/6/05 - until present - Axel F - Crazy Frog.

It's all hypey hype McHype. :p

[jrgen]

When will people cease to assume that popular music is supposed to equal good music?

[Mittopotahis]

When will people cease to assume that popular music is supposed to equal good music?

*applaudes* Well done!

[Chris]

I see no Grace Jones, therefore it's rubbish. :spin:

[Meat Puppet]

"Crazy Frog" isn't music.

[Destai]

I like these ones but Im not hugely gone on them.
12/2/05 - Eminem - Like Toy Soldiers
19/2/05 - U2 - Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
26/2/05 - Jennifer Lopez - Get Right
19/3/05 - McFly - All About You

Id probaly like these ones but I havent heard them.
12/3/05 - Stereophonics - Dakota
28/5/05 - Oasis - Lyla

[DMKA]

Elvis? Is the UK stuck that far in the past? x)

[Lindy]

They're re-releasing every Elvis song ever in order to wring some cash out of the man's corpse.

[DMKA]

Ohhhhh I see! Lovely...

When will people cease to assume that popular music is supposed to equal good music?
When will people cease to assume good music is only good if they listen to it?

Popular music is good music. Whether you like it or not isn't determined by that...that's up to you, but popularity means they've suceeded in entertaining the most people, and that's what it's about - entertaining/making money. For the individual it may not be, but for music as an industry it is.

[Hroth]

Ohhhhh I see! Lovely...

When will people cease to assume that popular music is supposed to equal good music?
When will people cease to assume good music is only good if they listen to it?

Popular music is good music. Whether you like it or not isn't determined by that...that's up to you, but popularity means they've suceeded in entertaining the most people, and that's what it's about - entertaining/making money. For the individual it may not be, but for music as an industry it is.

Well man, you're sort of wrong. Popular music isn't good music, it's entertaining music but it has low musical value do to it's repetitiveness and lame lyrics. Most of the time there are barely any instruments in the songs, how do you wanna call that music? Anyhow, the answer is never. If people stopped assuming that, record companies would all go bankrupt. That is the point of record companies, to make something "cool" and "hot" enough so people will buy it, they don't care if it sounds like donkey orgasms. Basically, they prey on people's stupidity, as do many other things for that matter...

[Lindy]

Actually.

Popular music is good music, but it's good music to the majority, because in order to be popular you need a majority.

The quality of music is a subjective thing, I call it a shovel, you call it a spade, in the end no matter what you call it still digs holes.

[Spammerman]

I like Like Toy Soldiers

[Pure Strife]

I can't stand any of them.

[-N-]

I thought Feel Good Inc. hit #1 on the UK charts this year...

[Lindy]

Sadly no, I think it was reasonably high in the charts though.

The whole chart concept is silly though, you won't get popular airplay unless you're in the charts, and the only way to get into the charts is if people hear your songs and buy the singles.

So the only way you're going to get into the chart is by being popular and well known in the first place, so that people buy your CDs, you get airtime and it leads to more people buying your singles and then eventually the album.

[tomamar04]

I thought Feel Good Inc. hit #1 on the UK charts this year...

I wish it did, one of the best songs of 2005.

[-N-]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillaz

The single was #2. I think what I remembered was the album hitting #1, then.

[Maxico]

I think 'Feel Good Inc.' got beaten by 'Lonely' (That stupid chipmunk song gets on my nerves)

And that alone is reason enough for me to hate everybody who brought it.

[Old Manus]

BA DING DING DING DINGADING BOO BAAA BAA BAA BOM BOM BAM BAM BA DOM BOM BOM

[Devourment]

Crazy Frog never deserved to get to #1, it should've been Coldplay. I mean a lot of people like Coldplay who're on 'Top of the Flops Pops', I mean the viewers who're there when the bands pretend to play. They cheered Coldplay on a lot after they performed their single, even though Crazy Frog was number one. But still, I can't base ratings just by the people on TotP. Though I can't believe people like it. :rolleyes2

[Lindy]

When it came to Coldplay or Crazy Frog, it would be rather a "a greater and lesser of two evils" when it came to who was number one, we lose either way, just probably to less of an extent with Coldplay.

[Loony BoB]

Crazy Frog being on there is awful. I can't believe people actually like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people are just buying it so they can annoy people with it, not because they actually think it's good.

Steve Brookstein - Against All Odds is something I don't remember hearing, but if it's yet another remake of Phil Collins' song, then I probably won't like it because I don't generally like remakes of songs I already enjoy. It's a rare thing, anyway.

I either like or don't mind the below songs...

15/1/05 - Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock
12/2/05 - Eminem - Like Toy Soldiers
19/2/05 - U2 - Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own

A lot of those other songs I don't even know by name. That's what I get for downloading all my music. I rarely listen to the radio or the music channels these days, so I just go by reccomendations, artists and "similar artists" to the artists that I like (short similar artist lists are on sites such as Amazon).

[Lindy]

Steve Brookstein is the guy who won that Pop something or other, or that X-something thing, I forget, he wasn't exactly fantastic.

[Loony BoB]

I don't pay much attention to those things anymore, so I guess I wouldn't know if it isn't in the papers.

Oh, and I totally agree with DMKA/Lindy regarding people who slag off pop music saying it's not music. Other people probably think your music is crap, too, but it's still music and it's all just a matter of opinion.

[Lindy]

I don't really like any of these songs, and I think they're pretty awful, but I'd rather direct my effort into liking the music I do rather than going on and on about stuff I don't.

[Ste]

dakota was a good song, lyla is very much a song that grows on you, i hated it at first but do quite like it, and sometimes you cant make it on your own i liked as well. everything else is a bit crap though.

And to those who really beleive popular music is good music. The single charts are in no way representive of a country as a whole, they are ruled by young teenage girls. take for example Busted. Top of the charts for ages (till they split up - there is a god) but they knew about 3 chords and had deep and meaningful lyrics like "air hostess, i like the way you dress" so without any musical value whatsoever basically. you could train a monkey to write a better song.

yet is that good music? becasue lots of people buy it doesnt mean its popular, and if people like something they dont always buy it, i loved best of you by the foo's, but i never bought it, i waited and bought the albumn. if you look at albumn charts, it normally gives a less biased representation of the publics view.

Amarillo was very much a "cult hit" where would it be in the charts without peter kay and friends in the video, or without comic relief backing? The crazy frog is a shining example of how people can be swayed by excessive advertising into buying anything. The adverts where on so much people just caved in and bought the crap, it isnt music, come on. If people can remember back to last year when the nike adverts where on (with lots of famous footballers fancily playing in a big cage with the elvis song in the background) that got elvis high in the charts when iy got released (may have been number 1, im not sure) and it looks to have ressurected his carreer despite being dead.

so basically what im trying to say is that popular music isnt necessarily good, in 10 years time will anyone remember Mcfly's All About You? a number 1 hit, in the way people remeber Radioheads Fake Plastic Trees (released in 95 if im not mistaken) which only charted around number 20. (the bends was a very high selling albumn however...)

pop songs are not made to be musical masterpieces, they are made, by definition to be popular (to a certain market of person), ie sell lots and make money. and the market that buys singles is mainly young teenagers.

[Loony BoB]

so basically what im trying to say is that popular music isnt necessarily good, in 10 years time will anyone remember Mcfly's All About You? a number 1 hit, in the way people remeber Radioheads Fake Plastic Trees (released in 95 if im not mistaken) which only charted around number 20. (the bends was a very high selling albumn however...)
I think that more people will remember All About You because they actually know what it is, such as me. I don't even know what Fake Plastic Trees is. I don't care if people think I'm awful just because I don't listen to much Radiohead, before you all start wailing and crying. :p

But when giving examples, it's best to give examples that are at least slightly popular.

As for the "Will people remember this the way they remembered that in so many years" argument - Uh, that's exactly why Elvis got three #1s this year.

[Zeldy]

8/1/05 - Steve Brookstein - Against All Odds - awful
15/1/05 - Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock - Havnt heard it
22/1/05 - Elvis Presley - One Night - Havnt heard it
29/1/05 - Ciara - Goodies -OMFG she needs to be shot
5/2/05 - Elvis Presley - It's Now Or Never - not heard
12/2/05 - Eminem - Like Toy Soldiers - !!!! Awful!!
19/2/05 - U2 - Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own - Ok..ish.
26/2/05 - Jennifer Lopez - Get Right - Ok'ish
12/3/05 - Stereophonics - Dakota - hmm.. ok..
19/3/05 - McFly - All About You - O_O *is sick*
26/3/05 until 7/5/05 - Tony Christie - Is This The Way To Amarillo? - Lame
14/5/05 until 21/5/05 - Akon - Lonely - OMG, I HATE THIS SONG
28/5/05 - Oasis - Lyla - Not so bad
4/6/05 - until present - Axel F - Crazy Frog.- *sighs* Hasnt anyone shot that damn frog yet?

[Rye]

When it came to Coldplay or Crazy Frog, it would be rather a "a greater and lesser of two evils" when it came to who was number one, we lose either way, just probably to less of an extent with Coldplay.

True. Well, except I'm not in the UK. I hate pretty much every song on that list, except for the 2 or 3 I haven't heard.

[Madame Adequate]

I have no idea how we're meant to decide between Coldplay and Crazy Frog.

I mean really.

It's like trying to choose between being burnt to death, or being melted in acid.

Although if the choice was either of those songs and fire or acid, I know which I'd take...

They shoulda released the actual Army boys' version of Is This The Way To Amarillo?. That was pwnz.

Elvis, though, suggests not quite all is lost.


you could train a monkey to write a better song.

Pretty certain no training would be required...

[Rye]

It's like trying to choose between being burnt to death, or being melted in acid.

Well put, Mr. Milf. xD

[DMKA]

Well man, you're sort of wrong. Popular music isn't good music, it's entertaining music but it has low musical value do to it's repetitiveness and lame lyrics. Most of the time there are barely any instruments in the songs, how do you wanna call that music? Anyhow, the answer is never. If people stopped assuming that, record companies would all go bankrupt. That is the point of record companies, to make something "cool" and "hot" enough so people will buy it, they don't care if it sounds like donkey orgasms. Basically, they prey on people's stupidity, as do many other things for that matter...
You completely missed the point...that's all your opinions. Numbers are facts. Reguardless of what you say, you can't deny 5 million people buying a CD. You can say "oh that sucks so bad and it's not good" all day...but why? Just because you don't like the way it sounds?

You're the kind of people I'm talking about. Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically make it "bad music". "Good music" is like saying "good art" (well, it is, because music is an art)...which is just an ignorant statement. And then, if popularity is a matter of who's stupid and who isn't, wouldn't that make the one who is going with the opposite (you) the idiot?

Don't get me wrong, there's a ton of chart topping songs I've heard and been like "ugh...what the hell?"...but I realize just because I don't like it doesn't make it "bad" or "good".

[Excelsior]

at least there top hits arent frickin green day and my chemical romance. :mad:

[Lindy]

...Whom I consider relatively good bands.

Yay for more subjective views on music!

It's all music, get the hell over it, if you don't like it don't listen to it, turn off the TV or radio.

Nobody is FORCING you to listen to music you don't like.

[DMKA]

...Whom I consider relatively good bands.

Yay for more subjective views on music!

It's all music, get the hell over it, if you don't like it don't listen to it, turn off the TV or radio.

Nobody is FORCING you to listen to music you don't like.
Exactly.

[Jack]

Busted. Top of the charts for ages (till they split up - there is a god) but they knew about 3 chords and had deep and meaningful lyrics like "air hostess, i like the way you dress" so without any musical value whatsoever basically. you could train a monkey to write a better song.
No. I liked Busted, despite me being quite a grunge freak. They made POP Music, which was good POP songs. Does it matter how many chords are used? In most Hip Hop, there is no chords, just a note.

I don't pay attention to the charts anymore.

[Loony BoB]

Does it matter how many chords are used?
Anyone who says "Yes" can be pointed towards U2. :) The Police, too, and the Beach Boys. Oh, and Bob Dylan.

[jrgen]

I'm not saying popular music is a lesser form of music. But the reason the popular music is popular is not because it's the best music the consumers can imagine. It's because it's what they hear on the radio and on television. The average music listener is not interested in music enough to actually look into what it is. The average music listener chooses availability over quality, as he does not feel obliged to form an own opinion on the subject. He assumes that what's played on MTV and the radio is all there is to music, picks out favourites amongst whatever he's fed and purchases it. Why would he listen to an artist or a band not even good enough to get played on the radio? The most popular artists are merely clones of previous artists, whose music or apparence proved to grant a large economical income. This completely removes the art aspect of music. The best think that could happen to the music industry is the complete abolishment of record companies. They are far from a necessity for the future composing of music's existence, as the true musician doesn't create music for financial purposes. He creates music as art, preferably for his own satisfaction. All that record companies do today is making money on the behalf of others, changing artists' and bands' music, replacing originality with publicity. What I'm trying to say is that, what gets good distribution by record companies and the media is not the result of an objective research, made to define musical quality. Public demand does not control what's shown in the media. It's the other way around.

[Loony BoB]

I would be very interested to know if all those people who buy Busted albums would actually enjoy whatever it is that you think is better music as much as they do enjoy Busted.

[Ste]

I'm not saying popular music is a lesser form of music. But the reason the popular music is popular is not because it's the best music the consumers can imagine. It's because it's what they hear on the radio and on television. The average music listener is not interested in music enough to actually look into what it is. The average music listener chooses availability over quality, as he does not feel obliged to form an own opinion on the subject. He assumes that what's played on MTV and the radio is all there is to music, picks out favourites amongst whatever he's fed and purchases it. Why would he listen to an artist or a band not even good enough to get played on the radio? The most popular artists are merely clones of previous artists, whose music or apparence proved to grant a large economical income. This completely removes the art aspect of music. The best think that could happen to the music industry is the complete abolishment of record companies. They are far from a necessity for the future composing of music's existence, as the true musician doesn't create music for financial purposes. He creates music as art, preferably for his own satisfaction. All that record companies do today is making money on the behalf of others, changing artists' and bands' music, replacing originality with publicity. What I'm trying to say is that, what gets good distribution by record companies and the media is not the result of an objective research, made to define musical quality. Public demand does not control what's shown in the media. It's the other way around.

one of the points i was trying to make, but made better.

to Bobs first post, i made the comparison because, despite fake plastic trees (or any singles from the bends - Just, Street Spririt, High and Dry) not charting well, if they got played at a music festival, just about everyone would be singing along. Kind of makes my point again, just because something doesnt sell lots, doesnt mean its not popular.

You may not know who the song is by, or what its called, but you will know at least one of those songs ive listed, if not 2 or 3. I was actually having a discussion with a friend a few months ago, and went round the common room testing everyone in there. over 90% had heard at least two of the songs (and there are about 2 radiohead fans in my whole school mind you), its not some sort of conclusive proof, but again it helps me try and explain. im going to admit ive heard all about you about 5 times, and in my opinion i dont like it, and i dont think it will last the test of time, nor will mcfly or busted as bands.

Im not trying to say the music i like is "good", and music i dont like is "bad", im not that arrogant. I dont think the music i like is actually good (some is), but i enjoy it anyway. as im sure busted fans enjoy their music. just wanted to make sure those lines didnt get lost

but the fact remains that if 1 million people buy a record and its at number 1 for ages, doesnt make it popular, it could well mean that 59 million people dont like it and all the ones who do like it bought it.

on the busted issue, i stand by my statement "you could train a monkey to write a better song" than air hostess. i personally hate it, some people my find the childrens book rhyming schemes catchy and great (or very annoying), but the fact stands that it isnt musically a good song. it requires little or no skill to play. check the tab yourself busted tab (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/b/busted/air_hostess_crd.htm)
(it turns out they do actually use 4 chords, sorry lads, but A minor is just E moved across one string) oh and
"I messed my pants
When we flew over France
Will I see you soon
In my hotel room" speaks for itself.

i guess my main gripe with busted really is the fact that it could just be one of them playing the guitar and singing, (okay there is a bloke playing a drum beat and another one playing a mostly open guitar riff, but pop bands/single artists tend to have them anyway)

oh and jack, when you are trying to be a "serious indie band" with lyrics like the ones i said, it isnt neccesary as bob pointed out, but it can help

meh, end of my busted rant for now.

but back on the point of the threas, how many people think that the crazy frog is a good song, a noise stolen off a website over the top of a tv theme tune....

[Excelsior]

...Whom I consider relatively good bands.

Yay for more subjective views on music!

It's all music, get the hell over it, if you don't like it don't listen to it, turn off the TV or radio.

Nobody is FORCING you to listen to music you don't like.


i never said any of those things. im just saying, they think there top hits are bad, and i think our top hits are worse. because,you know, emo crap sucks.

[Lindy]

Haha.

Greenday and MCR aren't emo.

You really know nothing about music, do you?

[lordblazer]

Actually.

Popular music is good music, but it's good music to the majority, because in order to be popular you need a majority.

The quality of music is a subjective thing, I call it a shovel, you call it a spade, in the end no matter what you call it still digs holes.
popular music isn't goo dmusic at all.Half the time instruments aren't used lbha blha blah corperation backed blah blah no creative vblah.Anyway the reason its even widely listened to is because its marketed towards young teens who don't know a cat from a dog.lol.Kids are bombarded with whats "cool" and "in" since they first start watching TV.And these corporations are smart enough to tell these teens to say "sakuar the best musical artist ever."All you need is a bunch of crappy teenage girls and its popular.The deal is though there are very very few music that gets heard and liked by a large fanbase and its actually good.

thats why the genre pop music jsut means what it says popular.a bunch of teenage girls and oldman who wish to screw the pop singer who is hot probaly.Thats the largest fan base and there is so many fan bases trust me you haven't heard goo dmusic if oyu think pop music is good music.

[Loony BoB]

Out of curiosity, do you think Barbara Ann is a good song? The one by the Beach Boys.

A Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann

Went to a dance looking for romance
Saw Barbara Ann so I thought I'd take a chance
Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann

Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann

Say Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann

Tried Betty Lou
Tried Peggy Sue
Tried Betty Lou but I knew she wouldn't do

Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann

Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann
Oh Barbara Ann take my hand
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
Barbara Ann
(Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann)
You got me rockin' and a rollin'
Rockin' and a reelin' Barbara Ann
Bar bar bar bar Barbar Ann

Barbar Ann
Barbar Ann

Three chord song, that. Stood the test of time as far as I'm concerned. Lyrics? Crap. Amount of chords? Minimal. Song? Great.

It's opinion. Just because Air Hostess has crap lyrics and only four chords doesn't make it a bad song. Not everyone sings along, not everyone needs brilliant lyrics (I don't like a lot of songs with good lyrics and I like a lot of songs with crap lyrics). Will Air Hostess stand the test of time? Maybe not, probably not. But that doesn't mean it's not popular. A lot of people listened to it and a lot of people enjoyed it. So long as the sound is okay, I'm more often than not fine with the song. AH wasn't a favourite of mine by any means but I didn't mind it on the radio or TV every once in a while. I just don't mind the sound of the song. Is that so bad? No, it's not. Barbara Ann is the same. Great song as far as I'm concerned, although I can't listen to it many times in a row like I can with some. I just love the sound of it.

You can't assume based on your quick school study that you're right. A lot of people do buy this music and at the time of it being released they obviously thought it was more worth buying than any other single. That to me means it's a #1 and that to me means it's popular. Because it is. To say a #1 single isn't popular is pretty rubbish, as far as I'm concerned. Just because it's not popular amongst 59 million people doesn't mean it's not popular amongst that 1 million that bought it. And my money is on there being a lot more than just those that buy the single that actually enjoyed the song.

[Rusty]

I haven't heard most of the songs you listed in the first post so all I can say is, I don't find J-Lo's or Eminems songs crap because that's my sort of music :)

[Jack]

on the busted issue, i stand by my statement "you could train a monkey to write a better song" than air hostess. i personally hate it, some people my find the childrens book rhyming schemes catchy and great (or very annoying), but the fact stands that it isnt musically a good song. it requires little or no skill to play. check the tab yourself busted tab (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/b/busted/air_hostess_crd.htm)
(it turns out they do actually use 4 chords, sorry lads, but A minor is just E moved across one string) oh and
"I messed my pants
When we flew over France
Will I see you soon
In my hotel room" speaks for itself.

i guess my main gripe with busted really is the fact that it could just be one of them playing the guitar and singing, (okay there is a bloke playing a drum beat and another one playing a mostly open guitar riff, but pop bands/single artists tend to have them anyway)

oh and jack, when you are trying to be a "serious indie band" with lyrics like the ones i said, it isnt neccesary as bob pointed out, but it can help

meh, end of my busted rant for now.



When did they do the indie band thing? Please remind me of THAT one. I do remmeber Charlie wearing grunge t-shirts (Sonic Youth) but taht was about it. They write GOOD/CATCHY Pop songs, and that's it. Why gripe that the lyrics are "simple" because why does it matter? Dance music doesn't even bother with them anyway so surely they are even more childish then Busted's? Does it make them worse? (I like some Dance music)
As for the technicality of the song, why should that matter? It doesn't make the song any less, because if it appeals because it's a pop song, then it's achieved it's purpose. Don't rant when there is no need.
Also:

thats why the genre pop music jsut means what it says popular.a bunch of teenage girls and oldman who wish to screw the pop singer who is hot probaly.Thats the largest fan base and there is so many fan bases trust me you haven't heard goo dmusic if oyu think pop music is good music.
Please explain what is GOOD music please, not GOOD music to you or to your friends, what GOOD music is generally. How do you define GOOD Music? Is it the technicality of the song (Babara Ann) or the lyrics (Barbara Ann) or how unpopular it is (probably in your book)? Do you define GOOD with the fact lots of people do not agree?. Does it make you special that you like stuff that very few people like, does it make the world better? And if you really think that Fan Bases matter then you sounds quite conservative. Next you'll be suggesting that metal "fan bases" are all long haired greebos or nerdy people who can't get sex. How stereotypical...

[Loony BoB]

Does anyone else now have Barbara Ann totally stuck in their head now? xDDD Sorry!

And yeah, I too would like to know what is needed to qualify as good.

[Lindy]

Actually.

Popular music is good music, but it's good music to the majority, because in order to be popular you need a majority.

The quality of music is a subjective thing, I call it a shovel, you call it a spade, in the end no matter what you call it still digs holes.
popular music isn't goo dmusic at all.Half the time instruments aren't used lbha blha blah corperation backed blah blah no creative vblah.Anyway the reason its even widely listened to is because its marketed towards young teens who don't know a cat from a dog.lol.Kids are bombarded with whats "cool" and "in" since they first start watching TV.And these corporations are smart enough to tell these teens to say "sakuar the best musical artist ever."All you need is a bunch of crappy teenage girls and its popular.The deal is though there are very very few music that gets heard and liked by a large fanbase and its actually good.

thats why the genre pop music jsut means what it says popular.a bunch of teenage girls and oldman who wish to screw the pop singer who is hot probaly.Thats the largest fan base and there is so many fan bases trust me you haven't heard goo dmusic if oyu think pop music is good music.

You basically ignored everything that I posted, didn't you? I didn't say I found pop music good, I hate most of it, but the point is it's good music TO THE MAJORITY, considering the large amount of people who like it, it is considered "good".

It's not whether you or I think it's good or not, by definition of how popular it is, it is considered "good".

[Excelsior]

Haha.

Greenday and MCR aren't emo.

You really know nothing about music, do you?


green day isnt, but MCR and the Used (another top hit band) sure are. for god sakes, there first single was a song called "im not okay (i promise)" wtf is that? fuckin emo <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

[Lindy]

Haha.

Greenday and MCR aren't emo.

You really know nothing about music, do you?


green day isnt, but MCR and the Used (another top hit band) sure are. for god sakes, there first single was a song called "im not okay (i promise)" wtf is that? smurfin emo <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

Maybe you should try actually listening to the song rather than going on the title, the general theme is "Yeah, you should stop cheating on your boyfriend with me, it's too much trouble, go away".

Where's the "emo" in that? It's about dumping someone, not being dumped which is generally what people take as "emo".

You know nothing about music, at all.

And The Used are just too crap to be anything like emo, actual emo music requires some kind of talent.

OH GOD NO MUSIC I DON'T LIKE! AND UHH, IT HAS EMOTION! CRAP, IT'S EMO!

[Devourment]

Greenday and MCR aren't emo.Okay, Lindy. I'm not saying MCR are emo, but what genre of music do you list them under?

[Lindy]

The first album was "alt-screemo", as in some emo themes but a generally more hardcore style, the current album is "alternative pop-rock".

[Zeldy]

And The Used are just too crap to be anything like emo, actual emo music requires some kind of talent.

OH GOD NO MUSIC I DON'T LIKE! AND UHH, IT HAS EMOTION! CRAP, IT'S EMO!

I like The used :(

[Lindy]

And you also like The Rasmus, that about covers your "tastes".

[Zeldy]

And you also like The Rasmus, that about covers your "tastes".
Now that was un-called for :(

[Loony BoB]

Poor Lindy. He spends all this time trying to explain why just because you don't like music doesn't mean it's crap, and then...

And The Used are just too crap to be anything like emo, actual emo music requires some kind of talent.
I like some songs by The Used, too. And classifications or genres mean very little to me. Last I checked, how good one percieves music to be has no impact on the genre/classification of the music. Ah well.

[Lindy]

Last time I checked, The Used weren't classified as "emo", but as "rock", just people fall to calling something "emo" when it involves some kind of angst, which just really annoys me.

Good god, can't have emotions in songs now, can we?

If you've ever heard anything actually emo, and I mean real, decent emo, you can't say anything like The Used are emo.

You can define music as "crap" because of a lack of instrumental, lyrical or vocal talent, which The Used are a prime example of. Sure people like them, think they're good, fine by them, but by definition they're talentless.

[Zeldy]

Lindy, can i ask you to please stop calling me for my music?

[Lindy]

God, you have a high view of yourself if you think I'm saying all this JUST to get at you, I don't give a damn about you, and it was directed at somebody else.

[Zeldy]

And you also like The Rasmus, that about covers your "tastes".

[Lindy]

Aha, I thought you meant the last post, since you'd already posted a response to that.

Right, tell me why I should stop then?

[Zeldy]

Because its not nice, whats it to you what i listen to?

[Lindy]

Maybe you should learn to not let what other people say bother you in the first place.

I make some comment about The Used, you're all "But I like them *cwy*", what do you expect after something like that?

Grow some spine, gawd.

And those are my last words on this.

[Zeldy]

Maybe you should learn to not let what other people say bother you in the first place.

I make some comment about The Used, you're all "But I like them *cwy*", what do you expect after something like that?

Grow some spine, gawd.

And those are my last words on this.
Well i have to comeback?
Because i dont like it when people skit me or things i like.
I take it to offence

[Loony BoB]

Don't worry about Lindy, as he's said countless times in this thread, nobody can say whether music is good or bad for the masses, just for themselves. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=hypocrisy)

But yeah, if everyone could move back on topic that'd be dandy.

[Lindy]

<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=smug">Don't worry about BoB, he's absolutely perfect and never does anything wrong. Ever. Don't even try and question that.</a>

I never said it was bad for the masses, I just said it was bad.

[Loony BoB]

:D Yeah, I'm smug. I'm also a hypocrite at times, but you really did gift that one to me... You said it was bad - exactly the kind of remark that you've been arguing against throughout most of this thread.

[Lindy]

I didn't say I found pop music good, I hate most of it, but the point is it's good music TO THE MAJORITY, considering the large amount of people who like it, it is considered "good".

It's not whether you or I think it's good or not, by definition of how popular it is, it is considered "good".

The Used aren't "popular", they've never had a successful single in the UK, so you can't use my own words against me if we're considering popularity in terms of chart success.

[ZeZipster]

"Emo" is not short for "Emotional." "Emo" does not mean Taking Back Sunday and Dashboard Confessional, despite what MTV has lead you to believe in the last few years. "Emo" is not sidebangs, tight pants, and male vocalists who sing like little girls about their failed relationships. "Emo" is not the use of diluted, meaningless metaphors and similes such as "My arms are like pinecones," and most definitely is not the rampant use of words such as "autumn," "heart," "knife," "bleeding," "leaves," and "razorblade."

I just thought I'd clear that up after all of these "definitions" in which I have encountered an unbelievable amount of people who try to pass off their blatantly false pretenses as fact, and are slowly infecting others with their high-horse, holier-than-thou bull<img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">. Because honestly, with your ridiculous definitions, Beethoven, George Gershwin, and Britney Spears are/was "emo bands."

Now, onto the real definition.

In the early 90s there was a movement in the hardcore genre that came to be known as "Emotive Hardcore," spearheaded by Rites Of Spring. Harder-core-than-thou kids, who swore by Dischord Records a la Minor Threat, actually coined the term "Emo" as something of a put-down for the kids who really liked Rites Of Spring, Indian Summer and this new wave of "Emotive" Hardcore bands. That's right, "Emo" was once not something kids called themselves. The field exploded outwards from there - Level-Plane Records has always been the most famous Emo label. Acts like Yaphet Kotto, I Hate Myself, Saetia, Hot Cross, A Day In Black And White, Funeral Diner, I Would Set Myself On Fire For You, You And I, and hosts of others came in the next decade. Most emo bands have since broken up, but there's still the occasional hold-out (again, the majority of Level-Plane Records' roster has been a procession of emo acts). Like most DIY hardcore/punk of the time, a majority found its way onto vinyl and not much else. Some people consider bands like Fugazi, and later Sunny Day Real Estate, a progression of emo, but personally, I don't quite follow that philosophy.

Often, more recently, this gets intertwined with post-hardcore, and understandably so - that's nothing to make an issue of, since well <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">, at least it's close.

Since the late 90s, though, bands have been emerging in the vein of Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, and the thousands of their clones. As far as I can tell, some lazy journalist somewhere, writing an article about them, decided "Well, smurf, no one knows what emo is anyways, so I'll call these bands "emo" - sounds more appealing than bubblegum pop rock..." and the spiral continued downwards into the current amalgomation of bands MTV has told everyone is "emo."

Somehow, people decided that "emo" meant "emotional," which is obviously bull<img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">, as 99% of bands make music to illicit emotion, which would make "emotional" a completely all-encompassing genre from classical to opera to pop to rap.

If you get into it My Chemical Romance is alternative pop/rock and punk-pop band, or atleast that's how they label themselves. I would call Greenday melodic punk which would be like NOFX, Rufio, Millencolin, Bad Religion and the like. I don't really think it's fair to call any band Emo. MOST music is emotionally driven, and anything that isn't emotionally driven is not something I'd want to listen to.

Uh... what were we talking about again? Oh-yeah, crappy overrated music that's over played on radio stations/MTV. I don't like any of those songs. I personally believe they're only popular because radio stations refuse to take risks and play what might NOT be good music and give people variety. No one has any exposure to rare music and so they don't know if they like anything other than what is overplayed on the radio.

[Lindy]

Screw it, I'll just start calling Bright Eyes folk music then, it's close enough.

[ZeZipster]

I call him indie. Commander Venus was indie. Hey, if you want to make a new genre for what people are singing about as opposed to making new genres for how music sounds then so be it. Hell, let's make a new genre for every singer! NO WAIT, let's make a new genre for every song!

[Lindy]

Bright Eyes are, like, country for a good portion of the songs though.

The latter half of Lifted and really all of Wide Awake is what I'd define as country, at least in terms of instrumentals, and because Emmy-Lou Harris does backing on Wide Awake.

[ZeZipster]

Bright Eyes are, like, country for a good portion of the songs though.

The latter half of Lifted and really all of Wide Awake is what I'd define as country, at least in terms of instrumentals, and because Emmy-Lou Harris does backing on Wide Awake.

I'd like to think that bands are generally categorized by what the majority of their music is. As in, if MxPx did one country cover they wouldn't be country. I'm still going to call him indie.

[Madame Adequate]

Haha.

I like when people can't accept that defintions change. :D