Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

[SquallxLeon]

Well I always thought it symbolized Squall being lost in a world of Nothingness. Because Laguna told everyone that you cannot exist in the time compressed world without believing in others and others believing in you. And I think he was in some sort of Time Compressed magic since he went from the past to 'nowhere'. Then Squall goes insane and starts picturing things like how Rinoa said she had that dream... of seeing people.. or something.. well that's what I think.

[Xaven]

Well I always thought it symbolized Squall being lost in a world of Nothingness. Because Laguna told everyone that you cannot exist in the time compressed world without believing in others and others believing in you. And I think he was in some sort of Time Compressed magic since he went from the past to 'nowhere'. Then Squall goes insane and starts picturing things like how Rinoa said she had that dream... of seeing people.. or something.. well that's what I think.
Why do so many people post after only reading the first page?



ANYONE can DRAW magic if they have a GF junctioned. How do you know everytime magic is passed between sorceresses they don´t have a GF junctioned?Soon I will make a thread just about this.I will show there were many fallacies on the game concerning sorceress magic.
My Rinoa didn't have a GF juntioned when she recieved her sorceress powers from Edea. Besides, what are you trying to get across with that arguement?

As for making a new thread, don't. (There are three theory threads already.) Many of us grow tired of you posting a tiny bit of your theory(ies?), us finding errors, you either ignoring them or simply taking back what you said, you posting another tiny bit of your theory(ies?), repeat.

[Future Esthar]

I don´t ignore the errors.I explained them.You just assume WITH NO PROOF FROM THE GAME that all the things on the script were thruth.
By the way,Squall gets weak from being tired(he walked too much) and due to love deception(Squall think Rinoa had died on space that´s it).He didn´t knock out due to Time Compression.
And I never said Square lied.NEVER.NEVER.NEVER.NEVER ON THIS FORUM.
I just said they put characters telling lies but don´t create scenes in which other characters tell they were lying.
But they put scenes and graphical details in which a person can spot hidden thruths and lies.
Please go learn how to interpret texts and come back.

[sparkie]

I don´t ignore the errors.I explained them.You just assume WITH NO PROOF FROM THE GAME that all the things on the script were thruth.
The game itself is the proof! How do you get proof from the game if not from the script which is where you get the entire story from?

By the way,Squall gets weak from being tired(he walked too much) and due to love deception(Squall think Rinoa had died on space that´s it).He didn´t knock out due to Time Compression.
So where's your proof for that? You keep demanding proof yet never give any.

And I never said Square lied.NEVER.NEVER.NEVER.NEVER ON THIS FORUM.
I just said they put characters telling lies but don´t create scenes in which other characters tell they were lying.
What about when you said the things in the game menu were lying? And how do you know when certain characters are lying? You have proof don't you? :rolleyes2 Square created FF8. You are saying the game lies. You are saying Square lies. Duh, transitive property. :rolleyes2

But they put scenes and graphical details in which a person can spot hidden thruths and lies.
How do you distinguish the two exactly? Oh and please, we are all dying to know how it is that you alone in the universe can spot these secrets.

Please go learn how to interpret texts and come back.
Please go learn how to write in correct English and come back.

[Destai]

I don´t ignore the errors.I explained them.You just assume WITH NO PROOF FROM THE GAME that all the things on the script were thruth.
By the way,Squall gets weak from being tired(he walked too much) and due to love deception(Squall think Rinoa had died on space that´s it).He didn´t knock out due to Time Compression.
And I never said Square lied.NEVER.NEVER.NEVER.NEVER ON THIS FORUM.
I just said they put characters telling lies but don´t create scenes in which other characters tell they were lying.
But they put scenes and graphical details in which a person can spot hidden thruths and lies.
Please go learn how to interpret texts and come back.Well thats lovely but how is it only you can recognise what is a lie and what isnt? Theres never an event or another character to contradict the characters statements. And yeah FE, Sorry to shock you but its a video game. If a character states it unless at some point in the game its explained that the statement was false then you can assume its true.

[Future Esthar]

Sparkie,the information section of the tutorial were not direct quotes from Squaresoft about the story.It was information learned by the citizens of the world of FF8.And Square quotes this learned informations.But they don´t confirm them as thruth.They are just saying to you what the citizens of FF8 had learned in schools and through the media.


Well thats lovely but how is it only you can recognise what is a lie and what isnt? Theres never an event or another character to contradict the characters statements. And yeah FE, Sorry to shock you but its a video game. If a character states it unless at some point in the game its explained that the statement was false then you can assume its true.


So you don´t believe that Square intended to keep many hidden things about the storyline?Things so hidden that most of them will remain unnoticed even for the best observers.

There is a SINGLE event on the game that shows you are wrong.
I can take a screenshot and show it to you.
By the way it is a dialogue from a character on Balamb.

[sparkie]

Sparkie,the information section of the tutorial were not direct quotes from Squaresoft about the story.It was information learned by the citizens of the world of FF8.And Square quotes this learned informations.But they don´t confirm them as thruth.They are just saying to you what the citizens of FF8 had learned in schools and through the media.
(to be edited)

Can you prove that? :p

And flying chocobos, SQUARESOFT WROTE THE GAME. That's what I'm saying. And there are plenty of things from the tutorial that were not mentioned by any citizens, so where is that info coming from? Out of thin air?

And you still haven't answered anyone about how you know when the characters are lying or not. So do it. Now. I'm waiting... with tonberries.

Sorry Floorgasborg, that better? :)

[Floorgasborg]

Now now, Sparkie. Mind the blasphemy, there are posters who're quite sensitive out there. Try to use an FF-style euphamism in its place ^_^

[Future Esthar]

They were not mentioned by any citizens but that´s irrelevant.
IT WAS ALSO SQUARESOFT WHO CREARED THE CHARACTERS DIALOGUES.Did this mean they were not dialogues? Of course not.In the same manner the information section of the tutorial were things learned by the citizens which Square intended they learn in the story.But they also intended some of them to be false information.
This way I can say they were not telling lies since they are quoting the information learned in the game.
Can´t a story creator create characters telling lies?Is this so surprising or impossible?
Did this mean it´s the creator who is telling the lie?Of course not.

To show how the characters tell lies will take much time since some of my theories were backed by other theories and so on until there is a theory I can proof.

[sparkie]

They were not mentioned by any citizens but that´s irrelevant.
Of course it's irrelevant, because I just proved you wrong. :rolleyes2

IT WAS ALSO SQUARESOFT WHO CREARED THE CHARACTERS DIALOGUES.Did this mean they were not dialogues? Of course not.
When did I say they weren't? I'M not the one saying that Squaresoft lied. And yes, you ARE saying that because like I said, they created the game and characters. You refuse to believe FACTS from the game and the guide, not just "dialogues".

In the same manner the information section of the tutorial were things learned by the citizens which Square intended they learn in the story.But they also intended some of them to be false information.
This way I can say they were not telling lies since they are quoting the information learned in the game.
Can´t a story creator create characters telling lies?Is this so surprising or impossible?
Did this mean it´s the creator who is telling the lie?Of course not.
Unless and until you prove that the characters are lying, you are in fact refusing to believe things from the game. Period.


To show how the characters tell lies will take much time since some of my theories were backed by other theories and so on until there is a theory I can proof.
Which is why your theories get weaker and weaker. How about proving one theory? Just one? If you keep doing this, you could change the plot around to the point of creating the world of FFX instead.

So basically you are refusing to back up your words. If it is too hard for you, fine, but stop expecting people to believe you. And stop with the riddles already. Are we not worthy enough to know who 'X' is? Just come out with it already. And don't give me crap about having to believe you first. Meanie.

(of course I just want to know for entertainment).

[Future Esthar]

I don´t know who X is.
I just think someone else can be possessing Edea and Ulti,that´s all.

I don´t want to refuse facts from the game.

[sparkie]

EXHIBIT A:

So this mysterious "X" person is a mystery that you dun even know, ya?


No,I know who he/she is.But you aren´t prepared yet to receive this revelation.
You need to understand first what is happening in the world of FF8.

EXHIBIT B:

I don´t know who X is.
I just think someone else can be possessing Edea and Ulti,that´s all.

I don´t want to refuse facts from the game.
You really think we're just stupid huh? Congratulations Unknowns, you were right.

[Future Esthar]

She were right on what?

By the way, the fact that people don´t mention these informations is irrelevant.
People don´t need to say everything they know would they?

[sparkie]

She were right on what?

By the way, the fact that people don´t mention these informations is irrelevant.
People don´t need to say everything they know would they?

If you don't know, go back and read my last post until you do. It's pretty clear. And also go back and read what I posted before that and before that and before that where you chose to ignore most parts of my posts.

And it's relevant because according to YOU, the tutorial only shows what we are told by the citizens so if there is information that the game itself is saying and not the people, then you are saying the game is lying, which IS relevant because what you are saying is contradictory. Get it yet?

[Future Esthar]

No.I don´t get.Square don´t need to show every scene in which a person says to Squall what they learned.
And it is not what people says to you but what they LEARNED.THE COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE OF FF8 (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMARTER ONES WHO LIED).

[Christmas]

course not.In the same manner the information section of the tutorial were things learned by the citizens which Square intended they learn in the story.But they also intended some of them to be false information.
This way I can say they were not telling lies since they are quoting the information learned in the game.
Can´t a story creator create characters telling lies?Is this so surprising or impossible?
Did this mean it´s the creator who is telling the lie?Of course not.

The following character Future Esthar has been renamed Sir Bahamut to avoid conflict.
Allow me to show other example through my stories as usual....and have those that dun understand pls read my previous posts.....

Narrator: Our heros is now on the way to seek Unknowns' head out after her so called son that wield a nine foot long sword that have three foot long sliver hair stole it from the museum of villians........

Xaven: I can't believe she has a son.....
Sir Bahamut: Can't you read what is above your head you goo goo. It said "so called" son which mean it might not be her son.
Squall of SeeD: ..............
crazybayman: Whatever it is, let's just hurry so that I will be back in time for Teletubbies.

Narrator: And so heroes moved on until they came to a crossroad when they decided to head right.

Xaven: Hey, get a move on. Having wobby legs or wet your pants like always?
Sir Bahamut: Look, why must we move right instead of left? Why must we believe in that freak that alway appear above your name? He might be lying, ya know.
Squall of SeeD:..........
crazybayman: AND WHY MUSN'T WE???? NOW GET A MOVE ON YOU GOD CURSED SON OF A DEFORMED TONBERRY!!! I STILL NEED TO RUSH HOME FOR TELETUBBIES AND YOU DUN WANT TO KNOW WHAT I WILL DO IF I MISS THE SHOW!!!!!!!!!

Narrator: So the heroes decided to move right, and I REPEAT MYSELF, THEY MOVED RIGHT!!! HEAR ME????

Xaven: You heard that man dun you?
Sir Bahamut: Yup, loud and clear. but so what? we are talking about HUMAN RIGHTS here and Kofi Annan is my die hard buddy since we were kids so dun you dare threaten me! BTW, there is something fishy that we alway do as that freak told us to. Who know he is a big fat liar? I say we go LEFT!!
Squall of SeeD:......faggots....
crazybayman: And President Bush my Daddy!! Are you going to move it or we make you move?

Narrator: Look here smartie, to the left is a cliff and you will fall to your miserable death if you insist to go that way and I have the best lawyer in the world if your Coffee Anna wanna take me to a lawsuit!!!

Xaven: Just go right will ya?? My insurance had just expired and I won't get paid if anything happen to me!!
Sir Bahamut: Can't you all lowlifes see he is just trying to scare us? There must be something more than meets the eyes if we go left!! I pretty sure of it!! I could SENSE the disturbance in the force in the left, and dun ask me how I sense it. I am not suppose to reveal that I am actually Yoda in disguise.
Squall of SeeD:.......... :hot:
crazybayman: Fine! O great mightly master of the art of Jedi, we will do as you will!

Narrator: Jedi my foot....So the four moronic heroes that probably had left their brains in the toliet after /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gifting went left and fall from the cliff.

Xaven: And you claimed you sense the disturbance in the force MASTER YODA, now see what you have done???
Sir Bahamut: hey kid, Game infomation can be lies, so why can't a game character like me lie? Make sense isn't it?
Squall of SeeD:.............*start stuffing dynamites in Sir Bahamut's mouth.....*
crazybayman: Alright, everyone take cover and enjoy the fireworks.


THE END

Do you know that it will make no sense that as what was in the story that game info is lie and all this thingy. You say the script is lying and Square isn't lying but do you know that it is Square that wrote the script in the first place?


So you don´t believe that Square intended to keep many hidden things about the storyline?Things so hidden that most of them will remain unnoticed even for the best observers.

Are you saying you are better than the best since you are the only one in this world to spot it when no one can? Then why would Square made it so secretly?

If this is the truth then that make it a very BIG plot twists which make a selling point of FF VIII which mean $$$ for Square.

So it is obvious they won't make it so secretive so that people will find out.


There is a SINGLE event on the game that shows you are wrong.
I can take a screenshot and show it to you.
By the way it is a dialogue from a character on Balamb.

Dun tell me it is just like that Ellone=Rinoa screenshot where the whole world said they are just doubling image of Rinoa while you insisted threy are Ellone.


To show how the characters tell lies will take much time since some of my theories were backed by other theories and so on until there is a theory I can proof

Or should I said until we pointed out a certain flaw so that you can quickly go edit it and claimed that this is the theory to prove it like you alway do?


I don´t know who X is.
I just think someone else can be possessing Edea and Ulti,that´s all.

That's mean you can't prove who is "X" which mean make my "X"= Hyne/Yu Yevon valid as told previously in this thread.

[Future Esthar]

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

Your story don´t reflect what I am saying.
Because you don´t understand what I said.
The script is not lying.It is some characters inside it that lye.Is it so difficult to put this on your head?
Squaresoft created a story.
Since this is not a veridical fact it don´t makes sence to say that Square is "lying".

Square puts some characters lying.They lie because Square wanna them to lie.
Because Square intended some thruths behind the story and put some characters lying about it.
It´s not like in your story
In your story the facts contradict what the narrator says.
In the story of FF8 there is not even a narrator.
Not even the information section of the tutorial appears as a narrator but as a sum of the information acquired in the game.
Never played Tomb Raider:The angel of darkness?
In that game the information that appears on Van Croys notebook was not from the narrator.It was information Van Croy has acquired and writed.In this case Lara Croft reads the information and knows what
awaits her.And she also write there the information she acquires through the game.If Von Croy hadn´t meet Eckhardt this information would not appear on the notebook.Which means this was not a narrator information since the narrator would know everything that happens on the game.

The screenshot I will take is just one screenshot and is a monologue from a secondary character.









EDIT: Don't double post. -Murder

[Destai]

You still havent taken in what I said. If there is no event or text from another character contradicting someone elses information then it is not a lie. You however have gone and decided what statements were through and what were false with no information backing you up and made up fanfiction/theories with nothing from the game to suppoert it.
Well thats lovely but how is it only you can recognise what is a lie and what isnt? Theres never an event or another character to contradict the characters statements. And yeah FE, Sorry to shock you but its a video game. If a character states it unless at some point in the game its explained that the statement was false then you can assume its true.

[Future Esthar]

Theory:The promised land is exactly on Midgar.Not on the northern crater.

Evidence:There were many Mako reactors on Midgar.Which means this is the place with the most Mako.

I know this is offtopic but this has a purpose here.

[Christmas]

Theory:The promised land is exactly on Midgar.Not on the northern crater.

Evidence:There were many Mako reactors on Midgar.Which means this is the place with the most Mako.

I know this is offtopic but this has a purpose here.

Having a lot of Mako reactors doesn't mean that is a lot of Mako in Midgar cause the HQ of Shinra is situtated there and they have to make their city flourish which required a lot of energy so they drained every bit of energy using the eight reactors from the earth itself to support the energy needed for the various sectors. That is why the ground around Midgar is a barren of wasteland.

And do you know President Shinra intended to build other Midgar in the promised land? Cause he realize the mako in Midgar is nothing compared to the promised land which is the northern crater.


It´s not like in your story
In your story the facts contradict what the narrator says.
In the story of FF8 there is not even a narrator.
Not even the information section of the tutorial appears as a narrator but as a sum of the information acquired in the game.


That is an example my friend. It is the moral of the story that counts.


The script is not lying.It is some characters inside it that lye.Is it so difficult to put this on your head?
Squaresoft created a story.
Since this is not a veridical fact it don´t makes sence to say that Square is "lying".

Square puts some characters lying.They lie because Square wanna them to lie.
Because Square intended some thruths behind the story and put some characters lying about it.

Look, Sir Bahamut lied in my story caused I made him to lie. And I intended the so called "truth" behind my story and make him lie.

And so they fall off a cliff caused they can't recognize the truth.

[Del Murder]

This is not the FFVII Forum. Stay on topic or this thread will be closed.

Also, let's get rid of this whole 'whatever member' label. Labelling people just leads to trouble.

[Future Esthar]

Alright.But on your story the narrator lies because he says they will go right.But they don´t.

[Christmas]

That is the point. The game information which is the narrator and the game character which is Sir Bahamut all lied.

Now do you understand how confusing it is when the game events along with the scripts and the characters lie?


Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game

We even have a section for him in the infomation counter ya know.

[Future Esthar]

You are ignoring the rest of my post 267
The post was edited.Go see it(it was on this thread).

[sparkie]

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.
What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?


Your story don´t reflect what I am saying.
Because you don´t understand what I said.
The script is not lying.It is some characters inside it that lye.Is it so difficult to put this on your head?
Squaresoft created a story.
Since this is not a veridical fact it don´t makes sence to say that Square is "lying".
What you're telling us is that the characters were meant to lie in the story, meaning the writers weren't really lying to us right? Well I hate to break this to you, but if what you say really is true, then 99.999% of the gamers have been decieved. You don't think that's lying? THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE CHARACTERS LIE. And you still haven't proved that so stop saying it. Gahhhhhhhh!!

Unknowns's story reflects perfectly what you are saying. The charater lies. The "script" doesn't. Answer me this question (MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS A QUESTION SO YOU'LL ANSWER): What is the script to you? Because last time I checked the script included everything, including character dialogues.


Square puts some characters lying.They lie because Square wanna them to lie.Because Square intended some thruths behind the story and put some characters lying about it.It´s not like in your story In your story the facts contradict what the narrator says.
In the story of FF8 there is not even a narrator. Not even the information section of the tutorial appears as a narrator but as a sum of the information acquired in the game.
Look, you still are not in any place to say that because you don't know where the information in the tutorial comes from. And you said before that there is information in there the citizens didn't say but now you are saying there isn't again.


Never played Tomb Raider:The angel of darkness?
In that game the information that appears on Van Croys notebook was not from the narrator.It was information Van Croy has acquired and writed.In this case Lara Croft reads the information and knows what
awaits her.And she also write there the information she acquires through the game.If Von Croy hadn´t meet Eckhardt this information would not appear on the notebook.Which means this was not a narrator information since the narrator would know everything that happens on the game.
Riiiiight except that was a NOTEBOOK that makes it explicitly clear that CHARACTERS WRITE in it. Where in FF8 does it say that people all over the world write in Squall's tutorial? O_O


The screenshot I will take is just one screenshot and is a monologue from a secondary character. After the Ellone=Rinoa thing, I am highly doubtful. But at least it's a monologue...

And I'm just going to ignore everything you said about mako reactors because you can't use a totally different game to support your FF8 theories just because they were made by the same company. :rolleyes2

Squall of SeeD, I couldn't have said it better myself. I applaud you. Too bad you wasted your time because he just ignored everything you said. I really think his theory threads should be removed because like you said, he is not showing us any respect by getting his facts and definitions straight and he refuses to consider that someone else might be right and he calls US closed-minded. Not to mention the fact that it has already been established that these aren't theories but fan-fiction, which belongs in a totally different forum.

And another thing: stop making up characters! Where does this 'X' come from besides your head? It seems like you justify everything by saying X did it like you can explain everything that you can't explain logically by creating some faceless, nameless character and boom! Your theory suddenly works. You can't just insert characters into an established game that has its own set of characters. The R=U theory is a theory, yet it doesn't add any characters or anything but is supported by in-game facts, unlike your "theories".


You are ignoring the rest of my post 267
The post was edited.Go see it(it was on this thread).
At this point we have the right to ignore your posts since you haven't shown us the courtesy of responding to all of our posts. You still haven't explained why you said you knew who X was before and why you suddenly changed your mind. And if it was edited then we're not ignoring it. Why don't you stop trying to fix what you say by editing your posts and just post a new post? Or better yet, go post in the fan-fiction forum.

[Xaven]

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.
What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?
He's referring to how Ultimecia seems just thrown in at the last minute and how we have never seen her before (for example, we know Sephiroth and Kefka throughout their whole games and have grown to know and hate them). We never see Hyne even once.

Just because I posted, don't ignore the one before mine, FE.

[sparkie]

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.
What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?
He's referring to how Ultimecia seems just thrown in at the last minute and how we have never seen her before (for example, we know Sephiroth and Kefka throughout their whole games and have grown to know and hate them). We never see Hyne even once.
Oh ok that makes sense... except: This mysterious 'X' is never in the game either! In fact, FE has yet to disclose his motives to us. I believe he himself has said he doesn't even know what they are. He just made him up as the ultimate sorcerer/ess that possesses Edea, Adel, Caraway, Julia... and just about everyone else in the friggin' game. Is that any better than Ulti or Hyne? You're wierd, Future. Make up your mind.


As you said,minute details are better than other things to find evidence for theories.
One can tell who is X by looking at a very single detail about him.A little detail no one noticed yet.Just looking at this denounce the person.
I will show it to you through a series of images.You will have to guess.
Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah... lost among the hundreds of unanswered questions in this thread. He said this 5 pages ago.


Just because I posted, don't ignore the one before mine, FE.
Thank-you. :) (not that it'll help... :rolleyes2)

[Christmas]

You are ignoring the rest of my post 267
The post was edited.Go see it(it was on this thread).

Didn't I answer them in post 270? The Tomb Raiders thingy sparkie had answered.

And mind if you post all of them in one shot instead of little bit here and there?


He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You said this:


Vascaroon fell in love with Ulti->outside WOTC

Vascaroon didn't appear in the story or dun even had a slot reserved for him in the tutorial information counter.

And isn't "X" already proven by me that it is Hyne/Yu Yevon as I posted in the previous posts in this thread? :D

So Future, if you can't overthrown the fact that "X" is Hyne/Yu Yevon then I suggest you stop saying that "X" is behind everything.

Oh brother, no story this time cause there is no example to quote from..... :(

[Squall of SeeD]

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.
What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?
He's referring to how Ultimecia seems just thrown in at the last minute and how we have never seen her before (for example, we know Sephiroth and Kefka throughout their whole games and have grown to know and hate them).

But Ultimecia was possessing Edea's body, so we had actually been dealing with her in mind/spirit the entire game. Future's point fell more than a little flat.

[Future Esthar]

And you said before that there is information in there the citizens didn't say but now you are saying there isn't again.

Dude,you are confusing things.I was well explicit but you don´t understood.

I will explain for the last time.

The information section of the tutorial tell´s what people had LEARNED THROUGHOUT THE GAME.Common knowledge.
But there is no need to see people giving this information to Squall on the game.
I found now a way to proof this to you.Will play the game now.

[sparkie]

And you said before that there is information in there the citizens didn't say but now you are saying there isn't again.

Dude,you are confusing things.I was well explicit but you don´t understood.

I will explain for the last time.

The information section of the tutorial tell´s what people had LEARNED THROUGHOUT THE GAME.Common knowledge.
But there is no need to see people giving this information to Squall on the game.
Ok I'm not a dude, thanks. And it's you that doesn't understand but nevermind. I know what you're saying ok? I could find your previous posts that have inconsistencies but there's no point. I was just pointing out that you have yet to prove how you know this.

I found now a way to proof this to you.Will play the game now.
You do that.

[Future Esthar]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/Futuresthar/tut.jpg


Here you are.
Now explain something to me.
How is it that the narrator don´t know how many sorceresses exist today on the game?.Better,how is it that the narrator says it is believed
that they avoid spreading their powers too thin?

The answer to the first question maybe it´s obvious.

One can say "Well there is no need to meet all the sorceresses on the game.That´s why the narrator says that"

But the second question.Do you think the narrator believed something about the storyline?
I am pretty sure he knows everything he wanna to put on the storyline,no?
Or do you think that the narrator get an amnesia while he write the story.
The right text would be "they avoid spreading they powers too thin"
if that was the case or nothing if that was not the case or if the narrator wanna to hide this information now and reveal later (or never reveal).
Even the first phrase should be rephrased"people on the game can´t determine how many sorceresses are there" or "there are more sorceresses than one sees on the game" or nothing at all.

When we go to other parts of the tutorial other that the information section of the "information" part we don´t see "When you junction the fire magic to your HP it will increase.However details are unknown yet about how much it will increase.We have to test it and research it more"(on Esthar labs or Balamb Garden).
This means this was information from the narrator himself.

Yet looking at this picture we see this is information learned in the game.
Not even the Esthar scientists were able to determine how many sorceresses exist.And people believed that they avoid spreading their powers too thin.
It´s obvious this is information learned by people (and some of them is doubtful information as we can see).People in FF8 think about what could be thruth.
Of course this is not the case for the game writer since he is the game writer.

[sparkie]

That one section doesn't really apply because it starts with "The Legend goes..." so it's obvious that it's information from the people.

And I never said you were wrong that the tutorial only gives info that the people of FF8 know so far. Of course they won't tell the player everything. But the narrator also will not refer to FF8 as a game:

Even the first phrase should be rephrased"people on the game can´t determine how many sorceresses are there" or "there are more sorceresses than one sees on the game" or nothing at all.
As far as the world and people of FF8 are concerned, they are not in a game. Only we know it's a game. Does that make sense?

Anyway, I was just under the impression that you meant the only info that appeared there was info that the citizens of FF8 actually spoke. Sorry if I misunderstood you there. Hope we're clear now.

[Christmas]

When we go to other parts of the tutorial other that the information section of the "information" part we don´t see "When you junction the fire magic to your HP it will increase.However details are unknown yet about how much it will increase.We have to test it and research it more"(on Esthar labs or Balamb Garden).
This means this was information from the narrator himself.

And finally the heroes caught up with Unknowns' so called son and her head.....

"The Son": It's you traitors. Just when Mama and I are going to the Promised Land, you traitors of the Cetra shown up. FEEL THE WRATH OF MY MASAMUME.

Xaven: Is this guy on drugs or something?
Sir Bahamut: I must said this is a direct rip off from FF VII, how cheap!
Squall of SeeD:.............
crazybayman:Ya tend to ran out of ideas and just copy other ideas when things get desperate, ya know.

Narrator: And both sides clashed with each other....

"The Son": What do you mean by "clashed with each other"? Mama and I dun understand. Can you be more specific?

Narrator: Must I freakly explain everything so clearly? Can't you just use the God given freakly intelligence you have in that coconut husk of yours and figure it out?

Xaven: Ya, we alway understand when the dude above my name said something like this.
Sir Bahamut: A hundred of blows can just be exchanged with just one word from that dude, sometime I do ask myself how is that possible?
Squall Of SeeD:.........
crazybayman:Because it is a game? Ya know, I suddenly remember this is just a game.....

Narrator: Ya, listen to the "Old Birds" around here and start getting the show running or no Power Rangers for you.

"The Son":NO! Mama and I is sticking to our principles and won't give in to you baddies and if dun give me Power Rangers I will tell them you are actually a gay.

Xaven: Ya, we all know that dude is gay. He is never interested when we go to the nightclubs....Ahem. I mean dungeons!!!
Sir Bahamut: And he enjoy peeping at Squall Of SeeD when he is bathing and changing.
Squall Of SeeD: How in the world do you know that? Dun tell me you are involved too?
crazybayman:ya know, that is the longest sentence you even spoke throughout all the stories.

Narrator: No,no, no, I am not gay!!! I am just a bit shy and gentle and.....WAHHHH!!!!! I GONNA TELL MY MAMA ABOUT THIS!!!!YOU WON"T GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!!AND I AM NOT GAY!!!!WAHHHH!!!
*:weep::weep::weep::weep: and ran off*

"The Son":.........so Mama and I can go to the Promised Land and summon a giant watermelon from the sky to crash onto the planet then watch Power Ranger together?

Xaven: Whatever, if you enjoy being with that rotting head you have there.
Sir Bahamut:Can I join you? I dun mind a watermelon feast while watching Power Rangers.
Squall Of SeeD:..............
crazybayman: I must admit this is the lamest endings throughout all the stories.....


THE END

The junctioning thingy you can go figure it out yourself and instead of wasting time saying how much HP increase if I junction fire to HP.
You know how much pages it will take to explain every single effect of magic junctioning to each stats and that is where game guides came in.
They taught you the basics of junctioning and that is enough.

It is really pointless to said that there is actually a sorceress hidden in whorehouse of Dollet and there is another one hiding in the toliets of Balamb and another one....just like when you fought those sorceress during time compression, it is pointless to point out, for example, the first sorceress came from Balamb 5000 years ago and her hobbies and vital statistics are......

[Future Esthar]

Unknowns you don´t understand ANY word of what I said.
I just said that the information at the information section of the tutorial can not be things that the writers state as thruth or something they intended to the story.
It has to be information learned by citizens throghout the game and hence the incertainty on the picture.They said "it is believed" which proves my point.
The writer know everything from the beggining to the end.Or do you think he had amnesia in the middle?

[Christmas]

Unknowns you don´t understand ANY word of what I said.
I just said that the information at the information section of the tutorial can not be things that the writers state as thruth or something they intended to the story.
It has to be information learned by citizens throghout the game and hence the incertainty on the picture.They said "it is believed" which proves my point.
The writer know everything from the beggining to the end.Or do you think he had amnesia in the middle?

The point I stated above mean that the writer don't have to state every freakly stuffs in the game.

The rest are up to game guides and yourself so the infomation is truth unless you junction fire to strength and get a increase in HP.

[Future Esthar]

The point I stated above mean that the writer don't have to state every freakly stuffs in the game.

The rest are up to game guides and yourself so the infomation is truth unless you junction fire to strength and get a increase in HP.

Did you realize that can also apply to the storyline?
__________________

[Fonzie]

OMG just try to consider it Future you won't look like a total crazy idiot. It would make everything simpler.

[Destai]

Unknowns you don´t understand ANY word of what I said.
I just said that the information at the information section of the tutorial can not be things that the writers state as thruth or something they intended to the story.
It has to be information learned by citizens throghout the game and hence the incertainty on the picture.They said "it is believed" which proves my point.
The writer know everything from the beggining to the end.Or do you think he had amnesia in the middle?Its pretty freaking obvious that unless there is an event or a piece of unquestioned text contradicting the information stated it can be taken as truth. Anything other than that is you ignoring the truth to try and make one of your theorys look plausible.

[sparkie]

The point I stated above mean that the writer don't have to state every freakly stuffs in the game.

The rest are up to game guides and yourself so the infomation is truth unless you junction fire to strength and get a increase in HP.

Did you realize that can also apply to the storyline?
__________________

No, Future! Enlighten us! :)


Narrator: No,no, no, I am not gay!!! I am just a bit shy and gentle
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[crazybayman]

No, Future! Enlighten us! :)

Sssshhhhh!!!

*whispers*Don't provoke him!! ;)

[sparkie]

No, Future! Enlighten us! :)

Sssshhhhh!!!

*whispers*Don't provoke him!! ;)

Oh please, when has he ever payed attention to anyone's posts ya? :rolleyes2

[crazybayman]

No, Future! Enlighten us! :)

Sssshhhhh!!!

*whispers*Don't provoke him!! ;)

Oh please, when has he ever payed attention to anyone's posts ya? :rolleyes2
Heh, not arguments against him, anyway. :p

However, when someone makes a sarcastic comment, he generally seems to not sense the sarcasm behind it, takes it seriously, and responds as if it were true.

For instance, on a few occasions people started mocking him, coming up with their own Mock-theories, and poor ol' Future responded with something like: "yeah, well I proved my theories, but you can't prove that!!!"

:rolleyes2 priceless.

[sparkie]

Yeah that's true. It's the language barrier I tell you... Anyway, you know he'll ramble on about it anyway. :rolleyes2

Future, where are you?? We need more crazy theories! You're a genius, I was just too closed-minded to notice before!

;)

Eh, shoot me. :D

[liamo]

if unknows could understand you i would be terrified cause means we will have two crakpots here

[Christmas]

Did you realize that can also apply to the storyline?

In what aspect? And I think NO unless you have some explaination.


if unknows could understand you i would be terrified cause means we will have two crakpots here

And no i am not a crackpot and you got my name wrong.

[liamo]

yeah sorry. i was saying if you could understand him you would be

[Jessweeee♪]

okay people. first of all, a desert does NOT have to have sand and also i think that the place squall was on was not only the place they fought griever but also a metaphor of his own life.

Some of you guys are a little crazy with your theories. the game is NOT set in a time compressed world, NONE of the six are blood related and the only thing altered by time compression (through the whole game in general) are things like edea getting ultimecia's powers.

[Kilika]

OK HERES THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING! RINOA IS CARAWAYS AND JULIAS DAUGHTER! ELLONE IS SOME GIRL THAT LIVES WITH RAINE AND LAGUNA! ODINE MAKE MACHINE THAT LETS HE SEND HER PRESENCE BACK IN TIME. ODINE DIDN'T MAKE A TIME MACHINE! ULTIMECIA IS A SORCERESS WITH EVIL PLANS. SQUALLY AND CREW MAKE HER GO BOOM! END OF STORY!

PS CARAWAY DIDN'T KILL JULIA! SHE DIES IN CAR CRASH! BOOM! READ IT IN THE THINGY IN THE MENU!

[Christmas]

Just let this thread die since Future dissapperead.....

[crazybayman]

Some of you guys are a little crazy with your theories.
YOU GUYS?!?!?!?
If you bothered to read the threads, you will see that just ONE member in particular was coming up with these crazy theories. The rest of "us guys" were arguing him, until we were blue in the face.

[Future Esthar]

It´s not like I give up.
It´s that I am sick of trying to show you the thruth and get offended.
It ´s like the proverb says "The only blind is the one who don´t wanna to see"
From now on I will only try to show you that Square intended to put many hidden things on the storyline.I will show it with a screenshot.

[crazybayman]

It´s not like I give up.

Fawk.


It´s that I am sick of trying to show you the thruth and get offended.

The truth? You obviously still will not, accept the truth, which is right there before your eyes. I honestly think you have too much time on your hands, and are therefore bored, so the only thing you can figure to do is imagine retarded plot-twists that don't really exist. Man, go get a girlfriend or a job or something.


It ´s like the proverb says "The only blind is the one who don´t wanna to see"
Yes. And YOU are the blind one who don't want to see the truth.

Je$us, I was hoping you'd give up already. :rolleyes2

[Christmas]

It´s not like I give up.
It´s that I am sick of trying to show you the thruth and get offended.


And we also show your our "truth" and you too ignore it all and as for your "truth" ,until it get offically recongnized or it is no truth.


It ´s like the proverb says "The only blind is the one who don´t wanna to see"

Speak for yourself. Like the proverb also go, "The only deaf is the one who doesn't want to listen"


From now on I will only try to show you that Square intended to put many hidden things on the storyline.I will show it with a screenshot

Ya right. You can even claim that you see that the random sorceress you fought during time compression are actually Quistis and Selphie. I were not be surprise if you see a chocobo as Squall and post a screenshot of that.

And I thought this thread had finally die.....

[Future Esthar]

No,It´s a screenshot that shows that Square intends there to be hidden things on the storyline.
It´s not a screenshot showing a specific storyline theory.
But I am unsure if I should show it or not.
And since you never proof me wrong and I never proofed you wrong don´t offend me,will ya? :mad2: I need to go to a therapist in the same manner as you need(i.e we DON´T NEED). :mad2:

[Christmas]

And since you never proof me wrong and I never proofed you wrong

I dun really agree with this line but if you insisted it....I STILL DUN AGREE.


don´t offend me,will ya? I need to go to a therapist in the same manner as you need(i.e we DON´T NEED).

If you mean all this stuff....


we don't even know his mental state (maybe he's on meds and stuff). And I hope to god he is seeing a therapist. Although I don't know why, since that would probably have no effect on him either... Oh well, who knows why we respond? I guess I just want to see if he's capable of being an even bigger moron than before.

Ya, maybe it is a bit too far......anyway, let not make any personal verbal attack on the poster and instead the poster's theories.


However, when someone makes a sarcastic comment, he generally seems to not sense the sarcasm behind it, takes it seriously, and responds as if it were true.

For instance, on a few occasions people started mocking him, coming up with their own Mock-theories, and poor ol' Future responded with something like: "yeah, well I proved my theories, but you can't prove that!!!"
Yeah that's true. It's the language barrier I tell you...

You can't really blame someone that couldn't speak or understand english properly when Future is not from somewhere where english is his native language. But we all could understand what each other is trying to said so far so that is enough.

Or maybe he know it is a mockery and dun want to offend anyone to by mocking everyone back.

[Jessweeee♪]

I believe square did hide some things but I think you're going a little overboard.
Rinoa is not ultimecia because during time compression, distroying ultimecia would mean distroying Rinoa.

[Christmas]

I believe square did hide some things but I think you're going a little overboard.
Rinoa is not ultimecia because during time compression, distroying ultimecia would mean distroying Rinoa.

BTW, He didn't said Rinoa is Ultimecia, Maybe you should read this to get a better understanding....

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=66468

[crazybayman]

To be honest, the annoyance he's caused to everyone on this forum, I'm surprised FE hasn't been insulted much more.

Deductions we've made about his mental state are very minor, compared to what people have probably thought about saying to him.

[Future Esthar]

Jesse1,I am the only one posting these theories(except Ulti=Rinoa).
Don´t harm the forums reputation here.Thanks.

Unknowns,no one proved me wrong.People just keep saying they can´t be prooved and that they contradict they storyline(they never do that,I had been analysing them well).People just don´t understand the context of the theories.Nor what I had saying on my theories.I will show this soon.

[crazybayman]

Jesse1,I am the only one posting these theories(except Ulti=Rinoa).
Don´t harm the forums reputation here.Thanks.

Unknowns,no one proved me wrong.People just keep saying they can´t be prooved and that they contradict they storyline(they never do that,I had been analysing them well).People just don´t understand the context of the theories.Nor what I had saying on my theories.I will show this soon.
To say that you're theories are right because they can't be proven wrong, means that an infinite amount of possibilities are true, because they aren't proven wrong.

Such things as:
-Seifer gets annoyed with the dog in the first mission ot Dollet because he hates dogs, because he was once a$$-raped by a poodle. Which leads to the reason why Seifer's and Rinoa's fling the summer before didn't work out - he was scared $hitless of Angelo, and ran away crying like a baby the minute he saw angelo.

-Ultimecia was once a Shumi. They DO evolve, after all!!! Cool!! Now I can go around these forums saying U=S!!!!

-etc

You make things up, based on YOUR OWN assumptions, then claim them to be true because they can't be proven wrong. Well, same goes for my few points above.

[Xaven]

Unknowns,no one proved me wrong.
Yes, she (and others) has. You're just to ignorant and obstinate to realize that she has. Even if no one proves you wrong, that does not make you right.


People just keep saying they can´t be prooved and that they contradict they storyline(they never do that,I had been analysing them well).People just don´t understand the context of the theories.Nor what I had saying on my theories.
They do.
Nor do you.


I will show this soon.
You always say that. After a while you just come up with a pointless screenshot that doesn't mean or do anything to back up your theory.

[sparkie]

It ´s like the proverb says "The only blind is the one who don´t wanna to see"
Oh the irony...


And since you never proof me wrong and I never proofed you wrong don´t offend me,will ya? I need to go to a therapist in the same manner as you need(i.e we DON´T NEED).
Don't offend other people then.


Ya, maybe it is a bit too far......anyway, let not make any personal verbal attack on the poster and instead the poster's theories.
It's not like I'm doing it just to be mean. It doesn't surprise me that he ignores the posts where I rebuttle his theories and he only responds to the ones where I insult him (in other words, the posts where I say my OPINION and not the ones that point out FACTS). Maybe he wants me to look bad. I don't care. I haven't been warned by a mod so I don't take it back. I show respect to people who deserve it.


You can't really blame someone that couldn't speak or understand english properly when Future is not from somewhere where english is his native language. But we all could understand what each other is trying to said so far so that is enough.
But it is important because a lot of his theories and justifications use plays on words.


Jesse1, please read the whole thread before replying.


To be honest, the annoyance he's caused to everyone on this forum, I'm surprised FE hasn't been insulted much more.
Yeah me too. And I don't try to be mean... it just comes naturally! :D


Unknowns,no one proved me wrong.People just keep saying they can´t be prooved and that they contradict they storyline(they never do that,I had been analysing them well).People just don´t understand the context of the theories.Nor what I had saying on my theories.I will show this soon.
Then why IS it that you never respond to the posts that try to disprove them? Because you know you're wrong. Didn't you say that to ignore something is to accept it as truth? And maybe we don't understand "the context of the theories" because you never post them together and you keep changing everything. You're always editing your posts. And all we have to do to understand is to go read that reference thread, no? Why wouldn't we understand? That's just what you say when we don't AGREE with you. Very mature.


To say that you're theories are right because they can't be proven wrong, means that an infinite amount of possibilities are true, because they aren't proven wrong.
Exactly. How can someone go about making such complicated theories when one doesn't even know what a theory is?

[Christmas]

Unknowns,no one proved me wrong.People just keep saying they can´t be prooved and that they contradict they storyline(they never do that,I had been analysing them well).People just don´t understand the context of the theories.Nor what I had saying on my theories.I will show this soon.

MaMa Narrator: I am taking over the role of the narrator after these sons of a retarded propagator hurted my son's pride and integrity and as a result landed him to the intensive care and control for the mentally unstable and likely dangerous unit in the hospital which in short they call it the "unit for the mad"

Xaven: MaMa Narrator? Dun you think Narrator's Mama might sound more appropriate?
Sir Bahamut: I alway suspect that Narrator's dude is not human but some soft of unknown species.....
Squall of SeeD:.........
crazybayman: I guess this clear your doubts, You dun see your dad being knowns as Papa Sir Bahamut.....

MaMa Narrator: Let's get back to the subject. So, Unknowns so called son summoned a giant watermelon from outer space to crash onto the planet......

Xaven: Oh No!!! What are we going to do? Do the watermelon came with the package of girls in bikini but I prefer them with nothing on....
Sir Bahamut: No, we stop his vile plan at all cost!!! Ah, the force has shown me a sign!
Squall of SeeD:...........*take out a FF VII guide book*
crazybayman: Let me see it and just how many guidebooks you have there?

MaMa Narrator: So the heroes read the guidebook.....

Xaven: Hmmm, according to the book, we need someone to be stabbed to his/her death then I will toss the body into the lake and then go to the northern crater to murder Unknown's son then white along with green lights were came out of the ground and stop the watermelon!!!
Sir Bahamut: Ignorant foolish mortals. Dun you get it? FOR I, *HA LEH LOO YA* IS THE CHOSEN ONE THAT WILL STOP THIS CRISIS!!! *HA LEH LOO YA, LEH LOO YA, LEH LOO YA* The force had shown me the sign for I am the only one that can stop this crisis!!!
Squall of SeeD:............. :greenie:
crazybayman:Not this again......be creative will ya....

MaMa Narrator: So Sir Bahamut told them about his plans....

Xaven: We must strip naked and dance around you like monkeys while chanting "Sir Bahamut is our god while we are all his dogs" then start barking with our tongues sticking out....
Sir Bahamut: And not to forget to surrender all nudity related books or photos so that you guys won't get distracted and I will sacrifice myself to keep it for you guys.
Squall of SeeD:......over my dead body....
crazybayman:Ya, especially the part where you have to hand over all my precious collections.

MaMa Narrator: And so our heroes started arguing....

Xaven: You claimed that your plan can work but the book said otherwise!!! Liar, Liar, Liar!!! And I want you to hand over nudity related stuffs to me to prove it!!!
Sir Bahamut:no one proved me wrong.You people just keep saying they can´t be prooved and that they contradict with the book(they never do that,I had been analysing them well).People just don´t understand the context of my plans.Nor what I had saying on my plans.I will show this soon
Squall of SeeD:......copycat....
crazybayman: Impressive statement....I tell ya what I think...*Sharpen Katana*.....

MaMa Narrator: So crazybayman stabbed Sir Bahamut to his death and Xaven tossed the body into the nearby drain cause they can't find a lake and procced to look for the so called "northern crater"....


To Be COntiuned....

See the similaries of the story and your theories?


It's not like I'm doing it just to be mean. It doesn't surprise me that he ignores the posts where I rebuttle his theories and he only responds to the ones where I insult him (in other words, the posts where I say my OPINION and not the ones that point out FACTS).

I guess it is fair now since he promised not to ignore any posts.


You always say that. After a while you just come up with a pointless screenshot that doesn't mean or do anything to back up your theory.

Ya. Dun go posting a screenshot of a propagator and said how much it look like Squall.

[Future Esthar]

I hadn´t ignored the majority of your posts.You are the ones that keeps saying that.
But that´s not the thruth.I answered to almost all of them
If you think I ignored then post again the ones you think I ignored(don´t ask me to go see them because I do and found nothing I hadn´t replied).

And I NEVER,NEVER,NEVER,NEVER said my theories were thruth because you can´t proof them wrong.I NEVER SAID that.If I said that it was in a explicit way of course.
You were the ones who ignore my posts-How many times do I have to say to you that my theories were not at random but I thought toooo much before I post them?
Your replies here show that you had been ignored my posts(more than I ignore yours).

And that story was very funny Unknowns.

[Christmas]

I hadn´t ignored the majority of your posts.You are the ones that keeps saying that.
But that´s not the thruth.I answered to almost all of them
If you think I ignored then post again the ones you think I ignored(don´t ask me to go see them because I do and found nothing I hadn´t replied).

And I NEVER,NEVER,NEVER,NEVER said my theories were thruth because you can´t proof them wrong.I NEVER SAID that.If I said that it was in a explicit way of course.
You were the ones who ignore my posts-How many times do I have to say to you that my theories were not at random but I thought toooo much before I post them?
Your replies here show that you had been ignored my posts(more than I ignore yours).


Nvm, since you said you will let the whole thing rest now in the other thread or that only apply to that thread only......?


And that story was very funny Unknowns.

I am thinking of posting my stories in the Arts and writing forum since that is hardly any "writings" and just arts in that forum. But I wonder will it be pointless since all my stories are all based on your theories and people might not catch the joke if they didn't read this thread......

[Future Esthar]

Unknowns,I said THE MAJORITY,NOT ALL.

[Christmas]

Unknowns,I said THE MAJORITY,NOT ALL.

Just what in the world are you talking about? I thought you said you will let the matter rest but so it only apply in that thread and not the other topics?....god....

[Future Esthar]

Yes,only that thread.But I suspect this one will go the same way.

[Christmas]

Yes,only that thread.But I suspect this one will go the same way.

Then let it go ok? No point holding onto it.

PS: And I never ignore your posts no matter how....nvm.

[Future Esthar]

Let´s just conclude it by saying that that soil is from Esthar/Mordred.I am sure.I think I don´t need to show you a screenshot.That´s easy to spot.And since this soil just appear on a single zone of the world it is accurate to say that Squall was at Esthar.And since we saw it becoming a flower field it seems that Squall was lost on time.And since Squall and Rinoa remains on the same place when it happens(Squall was even lying on the floor) we should conclude that Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah...... :D thought for yourself.This even applies if time compression is finishing here.None of the theories people post on here can deny what I am trying to show whether they are thruth or wrong.
Definately people says that Squall was lost in time and was brought back by Rinoa.I also always believed this.It´s just that people never noticed this was Esthar soil and never stop to think they remains on the same place.And Esthar itself symbolize Squall´s wilderness so just don´t come up with this argument.The soil is Esthar one´s.Of course Squall was lost on time but it don´t change nothing.It just adds an interesting conclusion.A very interesting one.

THE NEXT IS LESS IMPORTANT.

If I were to bet I would bet that Squall was near Esthar Sorceress Memorial(due to personal reasons).But he just can´t see it due to the time compression cloud(or wall or whatever).He just was at the left of the Memorial(considering we are turned in the direction of the entrance).
Or maybe over the mountain considering the respective Lunar Cry twist things a little.This would explain why it seems that Squall was on an inlet.

[Sir Bahamut]

Future, Squall was stuck in a time-warp which was shifting after his memories, thoughts and emotions. This much is clear from the twisted images of Rinoa, and the transformation of the desert into a tiny rock.

Now, this time-warp cannot be said to contain ONLY features from the real world. In other words, although the soil may look similar to the soil of Esthar, this does not mean it is the same soil, simply because the time-warp isn't the real world.

HOWEVER, even if we assume that the time-warp contains only properties of the real world, and that the soil IS the soil of Esthar, you still cannot say that after time compression ends(or more correctly, when Rinoa embraces Squall and they both escape the time-warp), they are still in Esthar. Why not? Because Squall wasn't stuck anywhere in the real world. He was stuck in a timewarp existing beyond the real world, which means that once it's over, he could end up anywhere on earth. Furthermore, he escapes the timewarp in the midst of a flowerfield. You argue that the only place that has soil like the soil in the time-warp is Esthar, and that the time-warp therefore is a twisted Esthar based on Squalls thoughts. Using the exact same logic, we find that the only place where we see a flowerfield like in the ending is by Edeas Orphanage, so by your own logic, he wakes up by Edeas Orphanage, and NOT in Esthar.

To push the point further, arguing that the flower field in the ending is the same place as the rocky plains of Esthar is like arguing that rocky soil = flower field. Is that the 'interesting conclusion' you speak of? It certainly is very interesting....

Moving on, why do you say that Esthar symbolises Squalls 'wilderness'? Please provide an argument to back this up, or it will be dismissed.

[G SpOtZ]

wait wait.... i was thinkin bout the whole time warp thing and... it came to me, maybe the time warp tore squall and rinoa apart in time, but they were still in the same place. like, as rinoa was at the flower field near edeas house in the present, squall was in the same field except it was in the way future or way past, when there were no flowers at that spot. just an idea, not a big deal at all lol, jus wonderin if it could be a possibility. geez we're all nerrddsss xD

[Sir Bahamut]

You might think of it like that, but personally, I just think of the time-warp as not having a distinct location in space or time at all-

[Future Esthar]

wait wait.... i was thinkin bout the whole time warp thing and... it came to me, maybe the time warp tore squall and rinoa apart in time, but they were still in the same place. like, as rinoa was at the flower field near edeas house in the present, squall was in the same field except it was in the way future or way past, when there were no flowers at that spot. just an idea, not a big deal at all lol, jus wonderin if it could be a possibility. geez we're all nerrddsss xD

Eureka.There you had,Sir Bahamut.

This is what I think:
Squall was lost on time.He was at an specific time.
But we see time compression covering all the area except an especific area in which time was flowing normally.And there were another area in which Rinoa was.This area is on another time.Rinoa then pass trough the wall traveling to Squall´s time.
This is like when Squall travels to Ulti´s time.He was on his time and then goes to Ulti´s time through Time Compression.
Time Compression ends when Rinoa hugs Squall taking them to the "present".That´s it.

Esthar symbolyzes Squall because he is introverted and keep silent about his feelings.He has many sad thoughts inside his head,like how Ellone had to leave the orphanage making him alone and all that.It´s difficult for one person to penetrate his little world.However Rinoa found a way in.Doesn´t this last line sound familiar to you?

[Christmas]

Eureka.There you had,Sir Bahamut.

This is what I think:
Squall was lost on time.He was at an specific time.
But we see time compression covering all the area except an especific area in which time was flowing normally.And there were another area in which Rinoa was.This area is on another time.Rinoa then pass trough the wall traveling to Squall´s time.
This is like when Squall travels to Ulti´s time.He was on his time and then goes to Ulti´s time through Time Compression.
Time Compression ends when Rinoa hugs Squall taking them to the "present".That´s it.


Alright dude, You said there is no time compression going on during Disc 4 and just time travelling. How are you going to end time compression without starting it. And if you said the "WOTC" ended during the game, then dun you think the characters will be warped back to their own time? And how do they end "WOTC" when "X" is still no where seen in action.

[Future Esthar]

You know,here I am considering that the standard theories were right and I am showing a theory of mine using it.

But whether the standard theories were right or not it don´t matter.We can reach the same conclusion anyway.

This way they can´t say I am denying the game because I showed my theory based on what they think happens on the game.I am not making bluff because as I said it don´t matter wether the standard theories were right and wrong.The conclusion is the same.

[Sir Bahamut]

And what exactly is your conclusion?

[Future Esthar]

The same as G SpOtZ

[crazybayman]

The same as G SpOtZ
So that would mean that Squall was at the flower field, at another point in time, at time when it was barren and rocky.

I always thought that went without saying, seen as how they're at Ultimecia's castle in her time, which is near the flower field.

[Sir Bahamut]

Not entirely without saying. It's certainly a plausible possibility, but he might also have been in no distinct location in space or time, but had ended up exactly at the flower field because that's where Rinoa and Squall promised to meet. After all, Laguna said you were supposed to concentrate on somewhere you had a special attachment to and 'believe in eachother', so if Rinoa and Squall were to believe in eachother and will themselves back, chances are they'd go to the flower field.
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But either way is possible. Future, would you agree that it's a good idea to stop this thread too?

[Future Esthar]

So that would mean that Squall was at the flower field, at another point in time, at time when it was barren and rocky.

I always thought that went without saying, seen as how they're at Ultimecia's castle in her time, which is near the flower field.

Oh,are you saying that that soil was the soil on Ulti´s time?

The soil in which you fight Ulti as some said.

But it looks nothing like that.

Consider this possibility.

Squall goes to Edea´s house on Ulti´s time.And then:

Ulti´s time->The time in which Ulti pass powers to Edea->flower field future in which there were no flowers because they were burned->Flower field.
They were allways on the same place.

The third time I thought has a soil similar to Esthar so we conclude.........AMAZING.

Let´s end this thread then.

[crazybayman]

Esthar, I can't agree with you, because I don't even know what the f#ck you're talking about.



So that would mean that Squall was at the flower field, at another point in time, at time when it was barren and rocky.

I always thought that went without saying, seen as how they're at Ultimecia's castle in her time, which is near the flower field.

Oh,are you saying that that soil was the soil on Ulti´s time?
My mistake. They didn't fight Ultimecia in HER time......it was compressed time. Sorry, my bad.

So No, it wasn't in Ulti's time. It was compressed time.


The soil in which you fight Ulti as some said.

But it looks nothing like that.

Consider this possibility.

Squall goes to Edea´s house on Ulti´s time.And then:

Ulti´s time->The time in which Ulti pass powers to Edea->flower field future in which there were no flowers because they were burned->Flower field.
They were allways on the same place.

The third time I thought has a soil similar to Esthar so we conclude.........AMAZING.

Let´s end this thread then.
Conclude what?

If you're trying to say that Ulti=Edea, then NO. Squall winds up back there for a moment as time is un-compressing, at the time when Ulti sends her conciousness back to pass her powers onto Edea.

When we see Squall there on the barren rocky area, its probably just a result of him having difficulty focusing on his friends and the time in which he wants to return.

[Future Esthar]

So that would mean that Squall was at the flower field, at another point in time, at time when it was barren and rocky.
Yes.

Look at post 325 to understand my pont on what is happening on the end.

[Jessweeee♪]

umm...sorry???
I guess i was just too lazy to read 350 posts...i'm confused...isn't this thread supposed to be about the place squall was in the ending?

[Future Esthar]

It´s post 325.Not 325 posts.


When we see Squall there on the barren rocky area, its probably just a result of him having difficulty focusing on his friends and the time in which he wants to return.

And this barren area is the flower field on another time.It can be shown considering
that they remained on the same place when they get back to the flower field.
They were in time compression.But this time compression has "bubbles of time flowing normally".Read post 325 for more detail.It´s like if if you had a time compressed wall surrounding an area where time flows normaly.In this case the inlet in which Squall was.

[xX.Silver.Wings.Xx]

He was in a different time, right. Lets call it a different dimension for now.
Then there is every possibility that the landscape has changed. Also, it is unlikely he is actually somewhere that exists on the game, because the "desert" / "plain" / etc. shrinks as he walks across it. I suggest that it is a psychological thing. Maybe he was losing it a bit (call it stress.) this kind of thing happens so there is little evidence to suggest that he was in a physical place.