Questions

[KoShiatar]

First one: are there any other artificially enhanced people in FF VII besides the members of Soldier? And more specifically, is it likely that the Turks have been enhanced in some way since they work for Shinra, even though it is never stated or hinted at?

Second question: if Marlene is Barret's daughter...why doesn't she look like him at all?

[boys from the dwarf]

the turks do seem somewhat inhuman but i think thats technology not genetics and the reason barret and marlene are different is because shes only 9 compared to 35 and is also a 3ft tall game instead of an 8ft tall mr.t.

[Saiyan Knight]

1.Could'nt say for sure.Taking into account that Shinra are a bunch of messed up lunatics its possible.Don't forget Vincent.Hojo 'modified' him.
2.Do you mean why she isnt black like Barrett?Who knows.

[TurkSlayer]

Question One: No one besides Vincent that we know of. But we're not really sure what Hojo did to Nanaki while he had him.

Question Two: She is not Barrett's daughter. She is Dyne's, Barret's old friend.

[Winter Nights]

the turks do seem somewhat inhuman but i think thats technology not genetics and the reason barret and marlene are different is because shes only 9 compared to 35 and is also a 3ft tall game instead of an 8ft tall mr.t.

Just to note.. This made me giggle.

And TurkSlayer is right.

[boys from the dwarf]

what do you mean that marlene is barrets adopted daughter?

[TurkSlayer]

what do you mean that marlene is barrets adopted daughter?


Exactly.

[FinalBob42]

She is not Barrett's daughter. She is Dyne's, Barret's old friend.

How exactly do you get that idea?

[krissy]

by playing the game? the sequence of events from corel to corel prison explains this

[KoShiatar]

I missed the adopted daughter part.... O__o'

[boys from the dwarf]

i did too but i just looked it up on "caves of narshe .com"that is one of the best places to dig up info(escially in the characters section.)

[-N-]

She is not Barrett's daughter. She is Dyne's, Barret's old friend.

How exactly do you get that idea?I dunno, from the game, maybe? Try playing Corel Prison again. >_<

[Masamune·1600]

First one: are there any other artificially enhanced people in FF VII besides the members of Soldier? And more specifically, is it likely that the Turks have been enhanced in some way since they work for Shinra, even though it is never stated or hinted at?

So far as we know, only members and would-be initiates of SOLDIER receive any sort of artificial enhancement. It seems extremely unlikely that the Turks received any sort of artificial enhancement, whether that involve Mako, JENOVA cells, or something else. The game flatly states that SOLDIER members receive both Mako infusions and JENOVA cell treatment.


Barret: Illusion, huh...? Pretty damn strong for a llusion, I'd say.

Cloud: I'm physically built like someone in SOLDIER. Hojo's plan to clone
Sephiroth wasn't that difficult. It was just the same procedure they use when
creating members of SOLDIER. You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to
Mako energy. Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells...... For
better or worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER. It has nothing to do with
Jenova Reunion. But weak people...... like me, get lost in the whole thing. The
combination of Jenova cells, Sephiroth's strong will and my own weakness are
what created me. Everyone knew that. I'm...... Cloud. ......the master of my own
illusionary world. But I can't remain trapped in an illusion any more...... I'm
going to live my life without pretending.

We also know that the survivors of the Nibelheim disaster, including Cloud and Zack (but minus Tifa), were given JENOVA cell treatment by Hojo. However, this obviously deviated from "enhancement."

The Turks, however, seem to have received nothing resembling Mako or JENOVA therapy. Reno, himself a member of the Turks, notes that, after seeing Cloud and Aeris in the Church, Cloud has "Mako eyes." This would suggest that Mako infusion was exclusive to SOLDIER, and had nothing to do with the Turks.


Reno: They were...... Mako eyes.

Soon after, Cloud seems to confirm this idea.


Aeris: ...Your eyes. They have a strange glow...

Cloud: That's the sign of those who have been infused with Mako... A mark of
SOLDIER.

As far as the matter of JENOVA goes, there seems to be no compulsion among the Turks to wear black capes, head north to participate in the Jenova Reunion, or do anything that would suggest that they had received JENOVA enhancement.

Most convincing, however, is this: Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII delves deeper into questions regarding the Turks, and so far gives no indication that they were given any sort of enhancing substance or treatment.


Second question: if Marlene is Barret's daughter...why doesn't she look like him at all?

Because, as already noted by TurkSlayer, Marlene is actually Dyne's daughter.



She is not Barrett's daughter. She is Dyne's, Barret's old friend.

How exactly do you get that idea?

It's explicitly stated in the Desert Prison sequence. The fact is first alluded to several times, then definitively stated. Here is the exact dialogue, with important information highlighted for emphasis.

(flashback, where Barret reminisces about Dyne's apparent death)


Dyne: C'mon, Barret! We gotta hurry!

Barret: Krggh!!

Soldiers kept shooting at Barret but Barret kept dodging their rifle bullets.

Scarlet: Kyaa haa, ha!! You can shoot all day and never hit them with aim like
that.

Barret: Shu'up!!

Scarlet knocked down a soldier for shooting for no reason.

Scarlet: Haa, ha, ha!! Stop playing around and cover me!

Dyne: Watch out!! (the Shinra soldier opened fire and almost hit Dyne and he's
about to fall off a cliff)

Barret: (grabbed on to Dyne's left arm) Dyne!! Hang on!! Listen to me!! You're
comin' back to the village, hear!!?

Dyne: Yeah... I ain't lettin' go... You're comin' back... Everyone's waitin' for
ya... Eleanor... and Marlene... They all waitin' on us...

We watch a movie of the Shinra soldier's continuously firing and shot Barret and
Dyne's arm off, each lost an arm and Dyne fell of a cliff. The memory ended.

Barret: From then on, I couldn't use my right arm no more. ...I was depressed
for a while. But then I threw away my artificial arm and got this gun grafted
in.
Got a new right arm to get revenge on the Shinra, who took everything away...
Back then, I heard the doc say there was another man who got the same operation
as me. But, his was the left arm.

Note that Eleanor, Dyne's wife, is mentioned in conjunction with Marlene. We already know, from the flashback after leaving North Corel, that Barret's wife was named Myrna.

(flashback)


Village Headman: What are we going to do? The only one against this is Dyne...

Dyne: I am definitely against it, no matter what. There's nothing to talk about
if you're thinking of throwing away our coal! Our coal's been protected for
generations. Our fathers, and theirs before them, risked their lives for it. We
have no right to throw it all away so easily!

Barret: But listen, Dyne. No one uses coal nowadays. It's the sign of the times.

Scarlet: Right, everything is Mako, now. It'll be all right, Dyne. Shinra, Inc.
will guarantee your livelihood once the Mako Reactor is completed.

Barret: Listen, Dyne. I don't want my wife, Myrna, to suffer anymore.

Dyne: I know how you feel! I feel the same way too, damn it! But even
so, I won't give away our coal mines!

When Barret encounters Dyne, the game heavily alludes to Dyne and Marlene's relationship.


Barret: ...Dyne... Is that you?

Dyne: Now that's a voice I haven't heard in years... A voice I'll never
forget...

Barret: I always hoped I'd be able to see you again someday... I knew you were
alive somewhere... we had the same operation.

Dyne opened fire at Barret. Then Dyne heard something...

Dyne: What's that? ......I hear her voice.

Barret: ......?

Dyne: I hear her voice, Eleanor's voice. Begging me... not to hate you rotten
guts. That's why I didn't hunt you down...

Barret: ...I know I was stupid. I'm not asking you to forgive me. But... What're
you doin' in a place like this? Why ya wanna kill those that ain't even
involved?
Why?

Dyne: ...Why!? The hell do you care for!? Are the people killed going to
understand 'why'? Are the people of Corel going to understand just hearing
Shinra's excuses? I don't CARE what the reason is! All they give us are
artillery and stupid excuses... What's left is a world of despair and
emptiness...

Barret: ......

Dyne: You still want to hear 'why'? ...All right, I'll tell you. 'Cause I want
to destroy everything. The people of this city. This city itself. The whole
world! I got nothing left in this world. Corel, Eleanor...... Marlene......

Barret: Dyne, Marlene...... Marlene's still alive.

Dyne: ......?

Barret: I went back into town. I thought she was gone for sure. That is why I
wanted to be by her side till the end. That's when I found her...found Marlene.

Dyne: ...

Barret: She's in Midgar. Let's go see her together, all right?

Dyne: So...... she's still alive... All right, Barret. I guess that means you
and I gotta fight.

Barret: what!?

Dyne: Eleanor's alone all by herself. I've got to take Marlene to her.

Barret: Dyne... are you insane!?

Dyne: Marlene wants to see her Mom, don't she?

Finally, after Barret injures Dyne in single combat, the fact is utterly confirmed.


Dyne: Back!! ...it wasn't just my arm...... back then...... I lost something
irreplaceable. I don't know where I went wrong...

Barret: Dyne... I don't know either, man. Is this the only way... we can resolve
this?

Dyne: I told you... I ... I want to destroy everything... Everything... This
crazy world... Even me...

Barret: An' what 'bout Marlene? What's gonna happen to her!?

Dyne: ...Think about it... Barret... How old was Marlene back then...? Even if I
did go to her now... she wouldn't even know me... And what's more... Barret...
These hands are a little too stained to carry Marlene anymore...

Barret: ......

Dyne: Barret... Give that pendant to Marlene... It was... Eleanor's...my wife's
memento...

[Hawkeye]

We shouldve wrapped spoilers. This is probably his first run through of the game -_-

[TurkSlayer]

Wow, I'm a little suprised as to how many people didn't know that Marlene was Dyne's daughter. I guess a lot of you just haven't gotten to Corel Prison yet. Or you just didn't pay attention.

[Doomie]

First one: are there any other artificially enhanced people in FF VII besides the members of Soldier? And more specifically, is it likely that the Turks have been enhanced in some way since they work for Shinra, even though it is never stated or hinted at?

Second question: if Marlene is Barret's daughter...why doesn't she look like him at all?

1. Yes, Tifa. She was exposed to mako for long periods of time, which to two massive human head to sprout out of her chest.

2. Why, just because he's black?! We're all part of the same race; the human race.

[-N-]

Churchill for the burn!

[Doomie]

Churchill for the burn!

Did you contaminate the sushi yet?

[Cruise Control]

Maybe Nanaki/Red XIII was enhanced in some way, since hojo gaver him a number???

[TurkSlayer]

Maybe Nanaki/Red XIII was enhanced in some way, since hojo gaver him a number???

Thats what I was thinking, but Nanaki shows no sign of being enhanced in any way, so we can't really be sure.

[KoShiatar]

Maybe Nanaki/Red XIII was enhanced in some way, since hojo gaver him a number???

Thats what I was thinking, but Nanaki shows no sign of being enhanced in any way, so we can't really be sure.

I was also wondering, did Hojo tattoo his "specimens" as a habit? We know Cloud wasn't tattooed because he was considered a failure, but what about all the others?
Also, is it likely that he experimented on other humang beings other than those we know from the game?

[Lon611]

since this is labeled "questions", il ask my own, lol, cuz im too lazy to make a new thread....
:rolleyes2

neways, some1 told me that in ffvii once ur in the north crater u can go back out to the real world. well i just tried, and once u get all the way up past the rite and left path, there are teh caves that u dropped from. is it possible to actually get up these, and if so, how?plz help, ty :)

~Lon~

[Cruise Control]

You walk, not run.

[Lon611]

You walk, not run.

i think ur talking about the very first place when u just get out of the crater. im talking about the mulitple caves section. rite before the party meets up again and u have to choose whether to go rite or left. is there a way to go UP?because it seems like ud have to jump UP, but from my experience thats impossilbe.