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Destai
07-14-2005, 09:01 PM
Im talking about FF2. What was the point in going to the bother of getting this magic and even making into a part of the storyline. It suX. Is my copy of FF2 defective? Am I really the only one whos ULTIMATE magic (ULTIMA) isnt all that ULTIMATE?

matt89
07-14-2005, 10:46 PM
Jesus crisis. Its a game. And ultima is effective is your characters mag power and ultimas magic power is actually good. Its the best magic in the game, imo.

Destai
07-14-2005, 10:55 PM
Jesus crisis. Its a game. And ultima is effective is your characters mag power and ultimas magic power is actually good. Its the best magic in the game, imo.<Stick up your ass or something?><>

Edit by Kishi: Uncalled for, really.

Crossblades
07-15-2005, 12:01 AM
If you want Ultima to get stronger, you must level it up. Constantly use it to get it stronger and give it to the character that has high Magic power

TurkSlayer
07-15-2005, 12:05 AM
I know what you mean. Ultima isn't very powerful at all unless you really power it up. Its the best spell, but its pretty annoying. All I needed to get to the end was the blood sword, so i think I only leveled Ultima up to level 7.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
07-15-2005, 12:10 AM
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=54734

It's all there. Ultima is the best spell in my game by far.

DJZen
07-15-2005, 09:18 PM
A comparison:

http://www.strizzuth.com/images/DMGcompare.GIF

And these were the stats I had at the time:

http://www.strizzuth.com/images/Stats.GIF

DkKnight's stats can be found HERE. (http://www.strizzuth.com/jadepassage/Enemies/Enemies.html)

I rest my case.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
07-16-2005, 02:35 AM
Do you not like Guy or something?

Lon611
07-16-2005, 03:08 AM
its not that powerful in my game either. i've read that u need it to beat the emperor at the end, but since it sucks in my game, i was never able to beat him. its at level 10, and i still only do about 300 damage with it :frust: :irked: :grumble:

DJZen
07-16-2005, 07:34 PM
That hacked state was from a while ago when I was comparing a white caster and a black caster. Lionheart's stats are only that high because the first fight just uses Frioniel's stats and equipment for Lionheart. Since it takes a few minutes to get everyone's stats that high I didn't really feel like bothering with Guy's as I wasn't going to use him anyway. Oddly enough, that was also when I found out what happens when you win that initial fight (the game proceeds as usual), and when you take damage when you HP is 9999 (it rolls over to A098).

Magaso
07-17-2005, 02:44 AM
ULTIMA works differently than every other spell. It's based on:
Spell Base Damage [SBD] <- Ultima's Base Damage is 96
Spell Level [SLV]
All Skill/Spell Levels [ASL]

[DAMAGE] = (SBD + ASL) * SLV

Now then, each single Skill/Spell level is counted seperately. If you have 16
spells that are all Level 16, and all your weapons are at Level 16, you would
count 16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16+16
or 16*24. That is your ASL number. Plug in everything else and you get the
following equation:

[DAMAGE] = (96 + 384) * 16

Your total damage is 7680. Considering the next most powerful spell can only
do 2408 damage, Ultima can be pretty damn powerful.

-Action's guide on Gamefaqs.com

Sefie1999AD
07-17-2005, 11:47 AM
Magaso: If that's true, does that mean Ultima has nothing to do with the caster's stats, and you should just give it to the one that has the highest weapon and spell levels?

Captain Maxx Power
07-17-2005, 12:24 PM
As was established in the other forum, it appears as though the actual calculation of damage changed somewhat from the NES version to DoS. While it's been confirmed that the spell's damage is based on that factor in the recent versions, the older one proved to be a bit more...odd. I tested it with maxed spells/stats with quite rubbish results.

DJZen
07-17-2005, 08:05 PM
This is definitely not the case on the FC version, I tested it out yesterday and the damage only DROPPED when I added more spells at level 16. I tried using maxed out weapon skills too and that didn't work either.

Fireblade13
08-10-2005, 01:52 PM
Holy at a similiar level does more damage by the same person. Still I would rather just go to mysidia witgh the ship and buy holy than do like 5 more dungeons just to get ultima. Why did Minwu have to Die!

DJZen
08-11-2005, 04:07 AM
OMG U CAN REZARECT HIM MY FRIEND DID IT I SAW HIM DO IT!!!!1

Minwu dies for the same reason any character in a story dies, to get you to consider the value of human life.

Fireblade13
08-23-2005, 05:25 PM
Yeah but It is so dang hard to get Through Pandemonium no matter how long I train.

Captain Maxx Power
08-24-2005, 01:07 AM
Minwu dies for the same reason any character in a story dies, to get you to consider the value of human life.

Either that or they needed to pander out the storyline a bit.

DJZen
08-24-2005, 01:27 AM
You mean pad out?

Captain Maxx Power
08-24-2005, 11:43 AM
You mean pad out?

Same difference.

Fireblade13
08-24-2005, 01:23 PM
I heard the more high level spells you have it gets stronger. Dang Rumors

DJZen
08-24-2005, 07:57 PM
You mean pad out?

Same difference.

Uh, no, not really... Pander means kiss ass, pad means make it look bigger than it is. You can't pander something, but you can pander TO something, but that something has to be conscious.


I heard the more high level spells you have it gets stronger. Dang Rumors

I've tried doing that. I gave myself all level 16 spells. First I tried all level 16 white spells, it made no difference. I tried all level 16 black spells, it made no difference. I tried an even mix of white and black spells all at level 16, it made no difference. I tried repeating all of the above with all weapon skills maxed. It still made no difference. I have no idea how Kishi managed to have it be his most powerful spell, but if someone can't find a way I'm going to declare shennanigans.

crashNUMBERS
08-24-2005, 08:31 PM
A comparison:

http://www.strizzuth.com/images/DMGcompare.GIF

And these were the stats I had at the time:

http://www.strizzuth.com/images/Stats.GIF

DkKnight's stats can be found HERE. (http://www.strizzuth.com/jadepassage/Enemies/Enemies.html)

I rest my case.
Alright you used some code and I wanna know how do you get codes for FF2 ROM's?? I must KNOW!!