damn wankers.

[nik0tine]

Okay, so seriously... What's up with the wankers thread? One minute it's archived, and another minute it isn't. Could you at least tell us what is going on with it?


Personally, I think it should be permanently archived. We have archived threads like this (http://eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60898) and this (http://eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47694), and for god sakes, this (http://eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65860) but for some reason or another we don't archive the wanker thread? It just doesn't add up. 661 posts of pure spam in that short of a time frame deserves an archive I think. Yeah, I know some of you think it's stupid, but there are quite a few people here who would like to see it archived. How is it different from any of the other spam threads that you HAVE archived? (aside from it's absurd length) Somebody obviously thought it was okay to archive those threads. So what makes thier opinion valid, and not ours?

Regardless of what happens with the thread, can you at least explain why it is repeatedly getting archived and then deleted? And could you also tell us if it will end up being archived permanently, and if not, why?

Thanks.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

<b><<b></b>RSL></b> Kishi >:O
<b><<b></b>Kishi></b> Yes hello what.
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> >:O
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> you are ruining my credibility here!
<b><<b></b>Kishi></b> I'm upholding it!
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> No one will ever take me seriously ever again.
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> Oh wait, I wasn't taken seriously before. Nevermind!
<b><<b></b>Kishi></b> You said "Grr this is uncalled for." So I put it in the garbage forum. That is consistency!
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> But.. but
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> dammit.
<b><<b></b>Kishi></b> Yeah.
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> Yeah.
<b><<b></b>RSL></b> I guess you are right.

[RSL]

660 posts in an hour does not mean that it deserves to be archived. Be happy that we're having a llittle fun with it as well instead of handing out warnings.

[eestlinc]

I'll archive my grandmother before I archive that.

[Agent Proto]

It was the worst spam since... MAPS.

and a good thing too! Because MAPS was undetected for a long time, and Del Murder didn't even close it. It was the last thread I closed too as a Cid's Knight.

And one thing, certain spam threads are archived, and some are not. Do you see MAPS in the archive? No, because it doesn't deserve to be archived. Does wankers need to be archived either? I believe it doesn't. It was at one point, but it was briefly moved out, and I believe it should stay out. A good way for a spam thread to be even considered getting archived is when the staff takes some involvement. Since wankers didn't have many staff involvement, it doesn't get archived.

I don't care if it "deserves" to be archived. It doesn't. Why? Because it is 100% pure nonsense that went overboard within a few hours.

And it's not the kind of spam I would say is deemed to be archived.

[Levian]

I don't care whether it's archived or not as long as EoFF never gets the pimp smiley.

[Cruise Control]

SMF said, her brother used it while it was in the bathroom. It's in the top 150 posts in the thread.

[RSL]

I don't think a lack of staff involvement should prevent a thread from being archived.

[Agent Proto]

Well, it doesn't matter. I don't find the kind of spam in wankers to be very tasteful.

[nik0tine]

Is spam ever 'tasteful'?

[Agent Proto]

Not when "blowjobs" and such were posted. When I found "blowjobs" within the first couple posts, I was immediately turned off by the thread. Sorry. I don't believe that thread should be archived.

[Meat Puppet]

we should archive this thread
then, the rest of the threads in feedback
and then
the world

[Doomie]

Well...someone had to do it.

1.
And one thing, certain spam threads are archived, and some are not. Do you see MAPS in the archive? No, because it doesn't deserve to be archived. Does wankers need to be archived either? I believe it doesn't. It was at one point, but it was briefly moved out, and I believe it should stay out. A good way for a spam thread to be even considered getting archived is when the staff takes some involvement. Since wankers didn't have many staff involvement, it doesn't get archived.

Many threads in that forum have only one post from the staff, the last one.

2.


I don't care if it "deserves" to be archived. It doesn't. Why? Because it is 100% pure nonsense that went overboard within a few hours.

http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36562

3.
And it's not the kind of spam I would say is deemed to be archived.

Ha. That, as many before me have pointed out, is not for you to decide.

4.


Well, it doesn't matter. I don't find the kind of spam in wankers to be very tasteful.

Read above.

5.
Not when "blowjobs" and such were posted. When I found "blowjobs" within the first couple posts, I was immediately turned off by the thread. Sorry. I don't believe that thread should be archived.

Read the above two posts and this to boot. Just because you get uncomfortable around the word blowjob doesn't people will stop using the word. People pass out at the sight of blood, yet there are graphic pictures. Get a grip. You're not gonna block your ears every time someone says a naughty word.

[Psychotic]

Proto's post was interesting. Who are you to say what is and isn't quality spam, Proto? You're a modwhore darling, not a spammer. You wouldn't know the first thing about spam if it came up and slapped you round the face.

Anyway, MAPS was a good thread. Why? Because those who participated enjoyed it very much. wankers was a good thread. Why? Because those who participated very much. Now, this does not necessarily mean they should be archived, but I will be getting to that. But it does mean you should at least treat the thread with respect.

Personally, I do not think wankers nor MAPS (I know I used to, but things change) belong in the archive. As I have said before, the fun comes in the creation, and not having a standing tribute for all the world to see. However, I will say that it would have been nice to have an opportunity to save the thread so I could look at it for future reference, and maybe you guys could've waited 30 mins before deleting it. (if anyone has it saved, I'd appreciate it if I could have it sent to me :p)

Anyway, we all know the archiving process is determined on what the staff's personal views on the thread are. Usually the decision to archive a thread boils down to an individual staff member. Is this fair? I don't think so. I think the general membership should have a say, especially as, let's face it, the staff don't really accurately represent the forum membership. The archive should be to the enjoyment and benefit of all members, not just the staff.

So I think that there should be a way for the members to get a thread archived. I haven't thought this through, so forgive any major errors in this, but perhaps members could nominate threads to be archived, and then the general membership could vote on it.

But really, when so many people want certain threads to be archived, what right have you got to delete them just because you don't like them? None. Jerk. :p

[eestlinc]

it's not deleted, we just shoved it off in a corner for staff's personal pleasuring

[nik0tine]

Not when "blowjobs" and such were posted. When I found "blowjobs" within the first couple posts, I was immediately turned off by the thread. Sorry. I don't believe that thread should be archived. If memory serves.. "blowjobs" was posted by Social Moon Fireskies younger brother when she was away. I agree that saying "blowjobs" for no reason is stupid and immature, but it's not like that was the basis of the thread, or like the thread revolved around stuff like that. (Granted, everything posted in there was pointless, but not the point that "blowjobs" was)

[Shoeberto]

I think threads should be archived when they're entertaining to re-read. That wasn't. Sure, maybe it was fun to post in, but in reading it (skimming, whatev) it wasn't really that great.

So uh. There's my two.



Cents, that is. Swimmin' pools, movie stars.

[Agent Proto]

http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36562
The difference between that thread and wankers is timing and member participation. Of course, most of wankers is badly done spam compared to the other thread. And that is my opinion of course.


Ha. That, as many before me have pointed out, is not for you to decide.

I would agree. It's not my decision to make, it's the staff member's who decide to archive the thread. And of course, another staff member can remove the thread from archives at any point, so any thread archived is not safe from staying there permanently.


Read the above two posts and this to boot. Just because you get uncomfortable around the word blowjob doesn't people will stop using the word. People pass out at the sight of blood, yet there are graphic pictures. Get a grip. You're not gonna block your ears every time someone says a naughty word.

I know, but isn't EoFF supposedly a "family-friendly" environment? wankers seems a bit too "risque" to be even stay opened if words like that popped up now and then.


Proto's post was interesting. Who are you to say what is and isn't quality spam, Proto? You're a modwhore darling, not a spammer. You wouldn't know the first thing about spam if it came up and slapped you round the face.
Of course I would know. I usually don't participate in spam, because I choose not to.


Anyway, MAPS was a good thread. Why? Because those who participated enjoyed it very much. wankers was a good thread. Why? Because those who participated very much. Now, this does not necessarily mean they should be archived, but I will be getting to that. But it does mean you should at least treat the thread with respect.
It may be a good thread, but it's still spam and spam is spam, no matter if it's good or not. Some is acceptable, but when it goes out of hand, it's too much. Of course, that's just my opinion, and I stick to it.



But really, when so many people want certain threads to be archived, what right have you got to delete them just because you don't like them? None. Jerk. :p
Actually, the staff has the complete right to do whatever they want with any thread.


If memory serves.. "blowjobs" was posted by Social Moon Fireskies younger brother when she was away. I agree that saying "blowjobs" for no reason is stupid and immature, but it's not like that was the basis of the thread, or like the thread revolved around stuff like that. (Granted, everything posted in there was pointless, but not the point that "blowjobs" was)
I haven't read the whole thread, but I didn't see it was worth reading all the way through after the first page.

[Del Murder]

Shu sums it up pretty well.

[Yamaneko]

I agree with everything that's been said in this thread.

[Psychotic]

The difference between that thread and wankers is timing. Of course, most of wankers is badly done spam. And it is my opinion of course.The difference is Linus and we all know it. :laugh:

But really, when so many people want certain threads to be archived, what right have you got to delete them just because you don't like them? None. Jerk. :p
Actually, the staff has the complete right to do whatever they want with any thread.In theory, yes. But it does strain the relationship between the members and the staff. Although I suppose they enjoy that, as then they would have nothing to do with their time, what with Feedback dead and all. ;)

[Agent Proto]

In theory, yes. But it does strain the relationship between the members and the staff. Although I suppose they enjoy that, as then they would have nothing to do with their time, what with Feedback dead and all. ;)
What strain? I don't see a huge upset over a staff decision about wankers. I see nik0tine, and the others who follow suit, and that's not a big strain between staff and the members. It would only be a problem if what happened during April Fool's was to happen again.

[Del Murder]

I agree with everything that's been said in this thread.
Yams knows the score!

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

It would only be a problem if what happened during April Fool's was to happen again.<a href="http://norbert-x.com/rock/userfiles/Kishi/siric.gif">Good times</a>.

[edczxcvbnm]

I agree with everything that's been said in this thread.

EVERYTHING? That sounds contradictory!

Anyways I thought the thread was funny and I did get to post all of my NIN lyrics in HUGE font but the pages were going by so fast that I really didn't care...and I was at work :erm:

[Psychotic]

What strain? I don't see a huge upset over a staff decision about wankers. I see nik0tine, and the others who follow suit, and that's not a big strain between staff and the members. It would only be a problem if what happened during April Fool's was to happen again.Just because there are no visible signs of discontent, it doesn't mean there isn't any. And it's not just this specific incident that would cause full-scale riot, of course not. That is not what I am suggesting.

[Yamaneko]

Yeah, man. Personally I'm watching my back at all times. Can't trust these damned hippies and their "DEMOCRACY". :shifty:

[XxSephirothxX]

I personally thought a handful of the posts in it were hilarious. It really boils down to the staff's own sense of humor, and I really couldn't care if it's archived or not. I think it's a good policy to somehow involve members in the decision of what threads can get archived. Then again, that could take away from the uniqueness and special feeling of certain threads getting archived. We, as members, are not entitled to choosing what goes in. That's something that would have to be given to us, and I'm not sure we're deserving of it. If every 1/10 threads got archived, the archive would just be full of crap.

[-N-]

I saved the thread if anyone wants it, but it's not worth keeping around very much, so I'm deleting it soon. PM for <s>sex</s> download. Seriously, spam's amusement lies in its creation, not its perpetuation.

The thread had its moments, by the way, albeit a few. I present (the only) two.
Maybe I overdid it. :(WhatThe "What Would Asians Do?" picture was funny too, because it involves race.

Spam threads seem rather trite, by the way. Good spam occurs in the middle of a serious thread, in my opinion. If you can post something senseless in EoEO and get away with it, that's a spam well done. Of course, I don't encourage it (anymore). Of course, this would make "a vey odd poem by auron" not spam, and I don't really see it as spam anyways.

[Hawkeye]

I know I was one of the bigger posters in that thread, and I'm trying hard not to post in this one (I failed) but heres my 2 cents

It was a funny thread. Really good, no, perhaps even great, because it was just funny and fun to post in. Chances like these are rare to come by. More than half the archived threads are done so by the CK and Admins likings, meaning such threads as wankers wont be as appealing to mods. Perhaps we should have a couple about the members likings, and what was great to some. I know that would be a thread that I would go over, those 660 posts, just for the hilariaty of reliving of what bullcrap I put into it. Theres threads in the archives which I didnt think were funny, and some I didnt even understand, and heck, there were threads that were archived that were around since I've been here, and I didnt find them funny. Basically, archived threads are for the Admins liking. I didnt see any admins on for that thread, so they particlarly dont know the point of view we're comming from(and the fact that they have to uphold the law)

Wow, I did a lot for saying I wouldnt reply. I want to say more, but I wont. In all, remember these famous words...

OMGWTFBBQ

[-N-]

:dot:

[nik0tine]

Now there's some good spam. ;)

[Hawkeye]

Neel, some are born with greatness. Some, thrusted upon them. And then there are some that post such good spam, that achieve over greatness. This, my friend, is you

Ok ok no more of this thread for me :D

[nik0tine]

For those of us who are on my side of this argument, I must point out that letting this thread turn into spam is not going to help further our position any. :p

*is guilty of this himself*

[escobert]

Spam!?

[Old Manus]

I couldn't care less.

[Rye]

Yeah, if oldbies or Linus was in it, you guys would worship it, and you know it. Just because this spam thread had newbies in it doesn't mean it's untasteful, as no one complained besides Proto.

Anyways, that's my two cents. I thought it had some of the funniest posts I've read in a while.

[Doomie]

I haven't even read most of the thread, and I know it should be archived...well, not really. It makes no difference in my life, but it would be nice that it gets archived SO I CAN READ THE REST OF THE DAMN THREAD. xD It's about freedom of speech!...and everything surrounding that. You may take our lives, but you'll never take...OUR FREEDOM...of speech.

[Rye]

Also, what kind of Spam do YOU guys find tasteful? The kind where some oldbie makes an oldbie joke and you guys insult a newb in the middle of a thread? I don't find that very funny.

[Destai]

Yeah, if oldbies or Linus was in it, you guys would worship it, and you know it. Just because this spam thread had newbies in it doesn't mean it's untasteful, as no one complained besides Proto.

Anyways, that's my two cents. I thought it had some of the funniest posts I've read in a while.Thats true, and I also cant say Ive seen what youd call tasteful spam ever. It was a fun and enjoyable thread for anyone who was expierienceing it while it was open and posting but since none of the CK's can relate to that as none of them were involved in the thread its understandable they cant see it as anything more than un funny spam. Personally if I was a CK Id archive it just because the way half the forum members went crazy the minute the CK's backs were turned. In my opinion it was a pretty humorous situation.
Anyway maybe these pictures will soften your hearts if my words dont. :whimper:

[Dreddz]

That thread was great !
Very funny, wonder how the CK's took it ?

Not Good

[crashNUMBERS]

Link to the wanker thread please??

[Meat Puppet]

I was reading the thread when it was still in the archive, but I got bored so I went away and thunk about ponies and magical kingdoms carved out of ham.

[crashNUMBERS]

Yeah but where the hell is the link to it??

[Dreddz]

Oh yea, you missed it init crash
Like the best thread ever
Even though Psys Text started crashing my comp

[Del Murder]

Yeah, the thread probably would not have been deleted if it didn't contain that stuff. Messing around with HTML isn't a good idea.

[Cz]

I haven't seen the thread, and I don't really need to. I can guess what it's like.

The problem with spam threads is that they're only really funny for the people who post in them. Staff spam is pretty much the same as Psy and Co spam, except maybe the in-jokes are different in each case. As a result, each group finds its own spam hilarious and worthy of archiving, and dislikes any spam from the other group. The staff have more power over the archiving process, hence their threads are more likely to be archived.

What I'm trying to say is that your opinion of these threads is all determined by whether or not you're involved in them. If I were in a different timezone and had been online, I'd probably have played a part in wankers, and I'd campaign to have it archived. As things are, I wasn't involved and I couldn't care less.

There are two solutions to this problem: either archive all threads of this type, or archive none of them. If you think the memories of a few spammers are that important, then their threads should be archived even if the rest of the forum doesn't know what they're talking about. However, if you take the view that archived threads should be something the whole community can enjoy, then leave the 'classic' spam threads alone. After all, people can still enjoy reading them if they want to, it's just a matter of searching the forums or saving the thread to your hard drive. What you shouldn't do is have a double standard, with some of these topics being preserved and others ignored.

[Hawkeye]

Yeah, the thread probably would not have been deleted if it didn't contain that stuff. Messing around with HTML isn't a good idea.
Psy...

[Psychotic]

Yeah, the thread probably would not have been deleted if it didn't contain that stuff. Messing around with HTML isn't a good idea.
Psy...I somewhat doubt it would have been archived regardless of what I, and others, did with the HTML. However, if what Del is saying is the case, how about they delete the offending posts with the crazy HTML and then archive the thread? ;)

[Tama2]

I mean cmon. (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65860)

[Del Murder]

It would not have been archived but it may have been left in GC for people to look at at least. I wouldn't know, though.

[Tama2]

I'm just dumbfonded. :p

[Destai]

I mean cmon. (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65860)Yeah thats unfair.

[Del Murder]

<a href="http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54285">Life isn't fair</a>.

[Hawkeye]

Yeah, the thread probably would not have been deleted if it didn't contain that stuff. Messing around with HTML isn't a good idea.
Psy...I somewhat doubt it would have been archived regardless of what I, and others, did with the HTML. However, if what Del is saying is the case, how about they delete the offending posts with the crazy HTML and then archive the thread? ;)
Yeah I was apart of that band wagon too anyways lol

[RSL]

Also, what kind of Spam do YOU guys find tasteful? The kind where some oldbie makes an oldbie joke and you guys insult a newb in the middle of a thread? I don't find that very funny.

If you see new members being insulted, please warn the post or if you don't have faith in the warn system, PM me.

[Destai]

<a href="http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54285">Life isn't fair</a>.xD!11

Wait dont try and change the subject Del :mad2:

[nik0tine]

<a href="http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54285">Life isn't fair</a>.
It's reasons like this that have proven Del to be the best CK time and time again. :p

[Yamaneko]

Who cares? We'll all forgot about that thread in due time, and then you guys will make another spam thread and another feedback thread to go along with it. I will then proceed to tell you that you're all wrong and I was right all along for whatever I did. Just be happy you're aren't <s>dead</s> banned.

[Shoeberto]

Yeah, the thread probably would not have been deleted if it didn't contain that stuff. Messing around with HTML isn't a good idea.
Psy...I somewhat doubt it would have been archived regardless of what I, and others, did with the HTML. However, if what Del is saying is the case, how about they delete the offending posts with the crazy HTML and then archive the thread? ;)
I wouldn't be opposed to this.

edit: Oh yes, I remembered. The last spam thread Linus made got himself and everyone in it temp banned. I suppose you could call that a trade off.

[Del Murder]

If the text is at the top of my screen how am I supposed to know what posts to delete? Doesn't matter anyway, I wasn't put on the Wanker Committee and I have no desire to volunteer for the job.

[Shoeberto]

It almost seems too easy to be worth it.

I'll let someone else take advantage of that setup.

[Yamaneko]

Did you see the new Willy Wanker movie?

[Hawkeye]

I wasn't put on the Wanker Committee and I have no desire to volunteer for the job.Tee hee, you said wanker...

And I find the fact that there is a "wanker committee" to search through every post very, very funny

[Del Murder]

That's the idea.

[Tama2]

I like how a lil kid started all this.

[nik0tine]

And I find the fact that there is a "wanker committee" to search through every post very, very funny
Glad I didn't post porn then. :p

[DK]

If you see new members being insulted, please warn the post or if you don't have faith in the warn system, PM me.

It's not the warn system that people don't have faith in. ;p

I stopped caring after the second re-instate/delete of this thread. It was funny as hell while it happened and i'll remember it, I don't need to see it. I just don't agree with the way the whole thing was dealt with by the staff, and also the blatant favouritism of certain staff. But oh well, like Del says, lifes not fair. You lot will keep playing favourites and we'll keep on making your jobs harder, and so EoFF keeps on ticking.

[Raistlin]

There's one main consideration for archiving: is it worth reading again? 600+ posts of pure spam is not going to be read over and over again, whereas something like "copy paste duh" will be recited and reread for ages. Archiving does not grant a title or prestige or anything to a thread - its main use is making finding and linking to a worthwhile thread much easier.

Also, who cares?

[Leeza]

I have also deleted a lot of the images in it because I found them to be quite disturbing, so it wouldn't be the same anymore anyway. Good thing I was at work while it was happening.

<i>Everyone gets at least one warning by PM before we ban you, except in extreme cases. Extreme cases include mass spamming or advertising, posting or linking to porn or even porn-related / implied material, <b>or posting extreme disturbing content</b>, all of which will get you banned without warning.</i>

[Psychotic]

I knew I shouldn't have posted the picture of a dinosaur playing basketball...

[Destai]

I knew I shouldn't have posted the picture of a dinosaur playing basketball...Julia Roberts....rofl.... :(

[Hawkeye]

I knew I shouldn't have posted the picture of a dinosaur playing basketball...
I knew Nick shouldnt have posted the 2 headed cat. And of all people to delete it...

[Social Moon Firesky]

I'm sorry about all this trouble. My little brother has been punished for starting all this chaos, and it won't happen again. I don't think he meant it to be insulting, and meant it more as a practical joke, but I'm sorry if anyone was offended by it.

[Kakashi509]

wait there was a dinosaur playing basketball in there? I never saw it.

[Del Murder]

I'm sorry about all this trouble. My little brother has been punished for starting all this chaos, and it won't happen again. I don't think he meant it to be insulting, and meant it more as a practical joke, but I'm sorry if anyone was offended by it.
Please keep a closer watch on your account. You are responsible for what your account does even if it is not you who is logged on.