Cloud & Tifa scene; sitting under the highwind.

[Beclem]

Did they have the sex?

I wonder because Tifa gets all embarrassed when she finds out everyone was watching.

What do you think?

[Sefie1999AD]

I think it's all up to interpreting. I usually have Cloud be as nice to Tifa as possible, so in Gold Saucer, he goes on a date with Tifa, and the two will also have more dialogue during the Highwind scene at the end of Disc 2. The dialogue and the way Cloud and Tifa (especially Tifa) act could indeed indicate that they made love. I haven't made up my mind about how I interpret that scene, though I always like to think that the two at least admitted their love for each other, if nothing else. Unfortunately, the Advent Children seems to show Cloud and Tifa in a way that nothing happened between them and that Cloud's still thinking about Aeris and blaming himself for not being able to save her.

[Kappy]

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[Barney]

I really dont like the idea of cloud and aeris because they never seemed to suit and I always think Aeris took a likeing to CLoud because he reminded her of Zack and that deep down she really didnt like Cloud for who he really was. I think Cloud and Tifa should get together... just a thought maybe Cloud is confusing his feelings with the memories of Zacks feelings for Aeris and that although he has realised which are his real memories and which are Zacks he might still have this memory/emotion he has not let go of yet. It does seem unlikly that this is true but its just a thought.

[Ohhh]

oh Barney your deffo right there! I
always wondered what happened between them two in that scene, but I think them actually having sex is abit too far... surely they've got more class then that :P ;)

[bipper]

You all know you would - nuff said

[Barney]

oh Barney your deffo right there! I
always wondered what happened between them two in that scene, but I think them actually having sex is abit too far... surely they've got more class then that :P ;)

Sorry bit of topic but whats a deffo? or what does it mean ? :confused:

[Floorgasborg]

Deffo's short for definitely.
I wouldn't have thought they got up to anything, either. Interesting thought, though....no wonder she was so shocked when she realised the others were watching. Filthy blighters.
I doubt Cloud would be that sort of person....even though he'd be missing out on an opportunity which seems way too good to pass up!
Cloud's a good boy.
The Aeris/Zack argument seems very strong, in my opinion, and it certainly puts Aeris in a bad light for that reason. Wait until the rabid Aeris-supporters come in!

[Levian]

If they saw them having sex, Tifa would be way more than embarassed. She'd be so /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gifing embarrased that she'd look like Fire 3.

[Floorgasborg]

Or, in that case, she'd more likely beat the living daylights out of them, starting with the one who was sniggering the most (probably Red 'The things humans get up to ^_^')
You don't suppose all this talk about Tifa having sex is just an excuse to exercise out perverted little minds? <shrugs> Isn't that what these forums exist for? :p

[Beclem]

It would definately cheapen the game... dirty sex on a field.

Plus if the other characters were watching, surely that would make them perverts?

I bet Reeve was chuffed, it made spying on them worthwhile just for that moment.

[Barney]

Deffo's short for definitely.
I wouldn't have thought they got up to anything, either. Interesting thought, though....no wonder she was so shocked when she realised the others were watching. Filthy blighters.
I doubt Cloud would be that sort of person....even though he'd be missing out on an opportunity which seems way too good to pass up!
Cloud's a good boy.
The Aeris/Zack argument seems very strong, in my opinion, and it certainly puts Aeris in a bad light for that reason. Wait until the rabid Aeris-supporters come in!

Ok thxs for clearing that up.
I don't think they got up to anything either plus wernt they on a rock during this sequence ?... well i don't know what floats Squaresoft's bout but if I was going to make a scene about two people in love etc I wouldnt have them making love on a rock with a airship just above.

ive been thinking about my argument more and the more i think about it the more i agree with it and stand by it. Maybe in AC cloud will forget Aeris and everything and get with Tifa but I believe that Cloud will just remain single throughout AC and possibly the rest of his life because he may realise he should be with Tifa and long for her but always be too shy or not belive she likes him or something else to do with self dowt after everything thats happened between him and her in the past etc again just a thought. Well just have to wait and see, it would be nice if they did get together in AC, especially if they truley realised there love for one another during an epic battle scene.

[Masamune·1600]

As suggested earlier, it's really a matter of personal interpretation, although that particular scene can't be considered story canon since there is an alternative version of the exchange. If Cloud's affecton rating for Tifa is moderate to high (the same criteria that determine the Gold Saucer date), the player will see the dialogue that leads to the assumption that many people have about the scene. If Cloud's affection for Tifa is low, he won't reveal certain personal ideas, completely killing the aforementioned interpretation.

If affection toward Tifa is low:


Tifa: Everyone's gone...

Cloud: Yeah, we don't have anywhere or anyone to go home to.

Tifa: You're right... But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you think?

Cloud: Hmm... I wonder...? Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're holding on to... But this time, our opponent...

Tifa: Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back. As long as we're together. With you by my side, I'll never give up no matter how bad it gets.

Cloud: ...... Tifa......

Tifa: No matter how close we are now... We were far apart before. But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought I heard your voice......sniff... you probably don't remember this... But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least I thought I did...

Cloud: I see. I think I've heard it, too. Then, it was Tifa's voice.

Tifa: Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us? Do you think they see how hard we're fighting for them?

Cloud: I dunno... But... Whether they can or not, we still have to do what we can. And believe in ourselves... I'll find the answer some day, as long as I keep trying.

Tifa: Yes, that's right.

Cloud: We've got a big battle tomorrow. We'd better get some sleep.

Tifa: Umm. I guess you're right.

Before dawn.

Cloud: …It's almost dawn...

Tifa: H, huh...?

Cloud: Morning, Tifa. It's almost dawn.

Tifa: Mmm… Good morning, Cloud. Just a little longer… a little bit longer. This day will never come again... So let me have this moment...

Cloud: ......

Tifa: ............

The next morning.

Cloud: We'd better go.

Tifa: But, I still...!?

Cloud: It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday. At least we don't have to go on alone.

Tifa: Yes... That's right!

Cloud: Okay! Let's go!

In the Highwind.

Tifa: This airship is too big for just the two of us. Yeah, it's a little lonely without everyone.

Cloud: Don't worry. It'll be okay. I'll make a big enough ruckus for everyone. Besides, I'm the pilot. No more flying around casually like before. We won't have time to feel lonely.

Tifa: Huh!?

Cloud: It's moving...... Barret! Cid!

Barret: O, oh...... is that okay with you?

Cloud: Red XIII!

Tifa: Why didn't you tell me!?

Red XIII: But, you know, Cid.

Cid: Hey, Red XIII. If you butt in now, you never know what they'll say later......

Tifa: ......Were you listening?

On the other hand, with high affection:


Tifa: Everyone's gone...

Cloud: Yeah, we don't have anywhere or anyone to go home to.

Tifa: You're right... But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you
think?

Cloud: Hmm... I wonder...? Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're
holding on to... But this time, our opponent...

Tifa: Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back. As long as I'm
with you... As long as you're by my side... I won't give up even if I'm scared.

Cloud: ............ Tifa......

Tifa: No matter how close we are... We were for apart... before this. But when
we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought
I heard your voice... ...sniff... you probably won't remember this... But deep
in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least I thought I did...

Cloud: Yeah... At the time I heard you calling me. You were calling me back from
the stream of consciousness in the Lifestream. After all, I promised. That if
anything were to ever happen to you, I would come to help.

Tifa: Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us? Do you think they see how
hard we're fighting for them?

Cloud: I dunno... But... Whether they are or not, we still have to do what we
can. And believe in ourselves... Someday we'll find the answer. Right, Tifa?
That's what I learned from you when I was in the Lifestream.

Tifa: Yeah...... that's right...

Cloud: Hey Tifa...... I...... There are a lot of things I wanted to talk to you
about. But now that we're together like this, I don't know what I really wanted
to say... I guess nothing's changed at all... Kind of makes you want to laugh...

Tifa: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're
thinking...

Cloud: ............

In the middle of the night...

Cloud: ............It's almost dawn...

Tifa: H, huh...?

Cloud: Sorry. Did I wake you...? It's almost dawn, Tifa.

Tifa: Umm... G, good morning... Cloud. Give me a little longer... Just a little
bit longer... This day will never come again... So let me have this moment...

Cloud: Yeah... okay. This is probably the last time we'll have together......

The next morning...

Tifa: .........

Cloud: We'd better go.

Tifa: But, I still...!?

Cloud: It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday. At least we don't
have to go on alone.

Tifa: Yes... That's right!

Cloud: Okay! Let's go!

In the Highwind.

Tifa: The airship is too big for just the two of us. Yeah, it's a little lonely
without everyone.

Cloud: Don't worry. It'll be okay. I'll make a big enough ruckus for everyone.
Besides, I'm the pilot. No more flying around casually like before. We won't
have time to feel lonely.

Tifa: Huh!?

Cloud: It's moving...... Barret! Cid!

Barret: O, oh...... is that okay with you?

Cloud: Red XIII!

Tifa: Why didn't you tell me!?

Red XIII: But, you know, Cid.

Cid: Hey, Red XIII. If you butt in now, you never know what they'll say
later......

Tifa: ......Were you watching?

At the same time, certain contextual clues suggest that the high affection scene is the intended one. Whatever the case may be, it's really up to the player.


just a thought maybe Cloud is confusing his feelings with the memories of Zacks feelings for Aeris and that although he has realised which are his real memories and which are Zacks he might still have this memory/emotion he has not let go of yet. It does seem unlikly that this is true but its just a thought.

Not at all. A major aspect of the story is Cloud's fully regaining his recognition and understanding of his own identity. In any case, Cloud never confused his feelings with Zack's. He simply replaced Zack with himself in his initial account of the Nibelheim disaster. This should be especially clear given that he had no real foreknowledge of Aeris when he first met her. In any case, Cloud's feelings for Tifa are made clear (albeit obscurely) in the Lifestream when we see one of the aspects of Cloud state what he felt for Tifa even when he was younger.


Cloud: ......a sealed up secret...... wish...... Tender memories...... no
one can ever know.........

Needless to say, this jumbled statement is in reference to Tifa.

[Fonzie]

Woah... Masamune1600... how many times have to played the game lol. It really seems like they had a hidden love in the game, and in time it came out on the highwind. I mean it's like the girl-next-door that you grew up with who was your best friend... so you knew this was going to happen.

[Hawkeye]

Tifa and Cloud got it on all night. Let your imagination run from there

[-N-]

I don't think it was sex. Maybe first or second base. Cloud's not a player.

[boys from the dwarf]

they could have don it.but i know they wouldve done it sooner or later.if you be nice to tifa instead of saying "were you listening?"she says"were you watching?"which means they could have done it but they were probbably just snoggin.but they have to have been doin somethin if she says "were you watching?"but after the game if it carried on tifa and cloud would definetly have sex.
P.S.aeris suck and licks balls compared to tifa.tifa and cloud make a loads better match no matter what cait sith says in the temple of the ancients before he dies.

[Winter Nights]

Possible, but not likely. Intimate moments, maybe. But sex is doubtful.

[boys from the dwarf]

so probbably just snoggin.but if she says "were you watching?"it obviously means they did something.

[Winter Nights]

Not neccessarily.. Intimate moments are MEANT to be very personal. She could mean that.

[Mercen-X]

Or maybe she was a humiliated 'cause they spent all night playing charades.

Tifa: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking...

[boys from the dwarf]

Or, in that case, she'd more likely beat the living daylights out of them, starting with the one who was sniggering the most (probably Red 'The things humans get up to ^_^')
You don't suppose all this talk about Tifa having sex is just an excuse to exercise out perverted little minds? <shrugs> Isn't that what these forums exist for? :p
but even if they were watching them kissing or snogging(because it is highly unlikely they had sex.)tifa would punch the living daylights out of them anyway.

[Floorgasborg]

Or maybe she was a humiliated 'cause they spent all night playing charades.

Tifa: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking...

I think he's finally crack it. They were playing charades all along!
Although it makes sense if they were intimate without actually having sex. Seems very likely, especially if Cloud is on good terms with Tifa.

Lucky spikey-headed little *grumbles off*

[Destai]

If you have a high enough affection rating for Tifa then yes, They had the sex.

[liamo]

they humped each others brains out but he was thinking of aeris while she was fast asleep

[Hawkeye]

Or maybe she was a humiliated 'cause they spent all night playing charades.

Tifa: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking...

Sounds like poorly written smut

[boys from the dwarf]

Or maybe she was a humiliated 'cause they spent all night playing charades.

Tifa: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking...

I think he's finally crack it. They were playing charades all along!
Although it makes sense if they were intimate without actually having sex. Seems very likely, especially if Cloud is on good terms with Tifa.

Lucky spikey-headed little *grumbles off*
exactly as ive been saying.it is definite that they were doing something if tifa says"you were watching?"but i wasnt sex or cherades.

[Kamiko]

I always thought Tifa harbored a secret crush on Red XIII or maybe Barret.... and Cloud loves Sephiroth someone else.

[BabyVixen]

I always thought that in the high affection scene, Cloud and Tifa were just cuddling up to each other because anyone caught cuddling up to their special someone would bound to be embarrassed as hell and Cloud didn't have a response or anything. If they did have sex, he would have most likely been either blushing or grinning his ass off and he does neither. If he did blush or grin his ass off then the dialogue would have made it clear.

[Mercen-X]

Or maybe she was a humiliated 'cause they spent all night playing charades.

Tifa: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking...

Sounds like poorly written smut
I missing something?

[Sefie1999AD]

Here's something funny from another similar thread (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50572).


Here's the real proof that nothing happened between them.





.........I didn't see Cloud getting ANY high-fives. :D

[MJN SEIFER]

I doubt it. Because They don't feel anything they're mates and that's it.

[TheAbominatrix]

I doubt it. Because They don't feel anything they're mates and that's it.

Yes, despite the fact that they clearly have feelings for eachother.

As for the original question, I dont think they did anything, but I think that sleeping next to the person you love can be just as important as sex, so I'm sure Tifa enjoyed it regardless.

And as for her being embarassed, she's a very shy and private person, I dont think she'd want anyone to see her cuddling with Cloud or anyone else for that matter.

edit: And before the freakout begins, no I'm not saying that Cloud loved Tifa and not Aerith. Merely that Tifa has very strong feelings for him (that's fact) and that, depending on how you play the game, Cloud has them for her. And even if you dont play that way, Cloud still had a crush on her at one point- wanting to impress her as a child and whatnot, and still seeming to crave her acceptance as an adult.

[MJN SEIFER]

While this has NOTHING to do with the fact i'm a Cloud/Aeris suporter; Could someone explain to me where it is hinted that Cloud/Tifa is also likley?

True: It says something in the book. But In the game Tifa even says that she wasn't conected with Cloud

[TheAbominatrix]

Never said it did.

And maybe you should play the game again. It's so frelling blatant that it's not even funny. I'm not up for typing this all out once more, so I'll get it from a website. Though, to note, Tifa never says she wasnt connected with Cloud.

Note that this is biased stuff, but if there are any facts not spot on, we can rely on SoS to fix them.

The past:

Both Cloud and Tifa grew up in the town of Nibelheim and each suffered greatly with their experiences and somehow drew them apart and once again together. Both of these two characters stories routes back originally to Nibelheim, when they were young they acted irrational and their ages. They may have known each other when they were younger but they weren't the best of friends back then. Though they were indeed friends not nearly verging on the edge of best friends but the mutal understanding of each other exsistance was there. When Cloud was around the age of ten he began to like Tifa and he worshipped her from afar never telling her or showing himself to her. Little to Tifa's knowledge she never knew much about this little kid who always stood outside her window since she seemed to be infatuated with the group of boys in town who always hung out with her. Tifa was also going through a rough time then, and never noticed Cloud. Her mother had recently died, "Did mama pass through the mountains?" she asked herself. Soon after she went to the Nibel mountains confused as she was to look for her mom. Her "groupe" followed her until most of them backed away because they were scared, but Tifa kept going. When she went a group of her guy friends went with her, and Cloud followed, each time Tifa got closer to the bridge another boy would leave. And Cloud was left right behind Tifa. When they reached the bridge Cloud ran into her and they both missed their step, falling off the bridge. Tifa who had got the worst, was in a coma for seven days, and Cloud with only scarred knees. Cloud blamed himself for the fall and soon after he tried to look for ways for her to notice him and thus begins the whole reasoning for wanting to join SOLDIER.

Cloud soon after had made the sudden desicion to join SOLDIER (shinra's militia). Before leaving town he called Tifa out to the well. She was wearing a blue dress and Cloud was wearing a white shirt with his hair tied back and both began conversing. She was surprised with Cloud asking her out onto the well, but Cloud told her he wanted to join SOLDIER and leave town. She was upset, and made a promise with him under the starry night; that if she ever needed help and he made it into SOLDIER, her hero would come and rescue her. Cloud wasn't sure what she meant by this, but agreed to it anyway. Cloud left Nibelheim, and in the meanwhile Tifa mentioned to have looked alot in the newspaper to see if he made into SOLDIER, and if he has done anything, but this is only revealed after the lifestream inncident.

About a couple years later he returned, but he actually didn't make into SOLDIER. He came with Zack, Sephiroth, and another Shinra Soldier. Cloud was ashamed he didn't make it so when they went to Nibelheim and saw Tifa waiting for him he disguised himself as a SOLDIER immediately. It was rather ironic that Tifa happened to be the towns guide, and quickly took up the offer that Sephiroth proposed. And Tifa, Zack, Sephiroth, and the two guards (one being Cloud) went off to the Nibel Mountains. As Tifa made it to the imfamous bridge where her and Cloud fell off, the bridge started to snap again, and they all fell off, luckly no one was hurt this time. But Tifa mentions that one guard is missing and they should go back for him. Sephiroth dicards her remarks, and continues through the mountains. When they make it to the Nibel Reactor Sephiroth and Zack enter, Tifa wanted to go in, but Sephiroth said no, and left a guard (Cloud) to watch her.

Later they return to Nibelheim, and Sephiroth locked himself in the Shinra Mansion only to discover more about himself, at this time Sephiroth had become mad with power, and burnt Cloud and Tifa's Nibelheim killing everyone inlcluding Cloud's mom. Sephiroth returned to the Nibel reactor to gather Jenova. Tifa ran after Sephiroth in a mad rage from burning her hometown, and saw her father lieing there on the ground, murdered in cold blood by Sephiroth. She screamed with rage, and grabbed his sword. Tifa ran in the next room where Sephiroth was, and attempted to beat him at his own game, but failed. He took advantage of Tifa's swing, and slashed her across her stomach, she fell backwards down the stairs, and left her for dead. Cloud ran in soon after only to discover Tifa, Cloud saves Tifa and Zack nearly dead. Cloud immediately grabbed Zacks sword in a rage, and stabbed Sephiroth saying the words "The town, mom, Tifa, give it back..." a quote similar to that. After, Cloud took off his mask and was revealed that it was him all along watching over Tifa. Cloud ran back in the other room, picked up Tifa gently in his arms, and carried her to the side for safty. Cloud saw Sephiroth limping to get out of the reactor and Cloud ran after him again almost getting killed himself, but Cloud overpowered Sephiroth, and threw him off the edge killing him.

Soon after Tifa was saved by her martial arts teacher , Zangan before she could be recovered by the ShinRa and Hojo, and was taken to Midgar eventually where she opened up 7th Heaven. Cloud and Zack however, were caught and used as experiments. Over time Zack escaped from the imprisionment and freed Cloud who he took with him back to Midgar. The experiments caused Cloud to forget a lot of what happened, and also left him in a pretty unstable state where he listened to Zack's stories and then in which is how he incorporated that into his present state in the game. When Zack and Cloud had reached near Midgar Zack was shot dead by the soldiers who pursued them from Nibelheim. Cloud was left alone and confused, broken spirited, he eventually made his way to the Midgar station. It was the same time as Tifa now at the age of 20, got involved with AVALANCHE, Cloud and Tifa's reunion and Cloud 21, that she soon after saw Cloud in the train station in Midgar on a rainy day. She was surprised and happy to see him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she noticed some things about him were different. She was just as confused as he was, but the only thing she could think of doing was to convince him to join AVALANCHE so she could watch over him. In doing so he was signed up for some missions and this is where the game begins...in Midgar, at the train station.

The present

Present Story

This is a summary of the events during the present time of Final Fantasy VII that happen to both Cloud and Tifa. I generalize the parts that aren't so important to their present together, but it's basically just for a basis and understanding of their history throughout the present of the game with my minor opinions mixed in.

When Tifa had met up with Cloud at the train station in Midgar (read past first) she had noticed changes in him, ones that she couldn't quite get out to explain to him. She feared, so she stayed by him and told him about the job at AVALANCHE (the anti-shinra group) so that she could watch over him. Cloud at this point could not remember the truth and mistook a lot of who he was for Zack's storytelling. Though Cloud wasn't himself he took the job at AVALANCHE and went on his first mission to blow up Reactor 7. 7th Heaven After completing the mission with Barret they and the members of AVALANCHE go back to their headquarters which is 7th Heaven, Tifa's bar. There Tifa awaits with Barret's daughter Marlene who she takes care of. When Cloud returns and during this time she questions him more about his past and her relationship with him. She wants him to be okay, but no one yet really knows the past between them both.

She starts off by bringing up the promise between them from childhood years, at this time Cloud has no recollection of it, he seems as if he has forgotten it. Tifa asks him not only for her emotion state but to test him on what he did know and what he did not, considering from the time she met up with him at the train station left he puzzled about what happened, she needed to start somewhere basically. After he does not remember it, she reminds him, but this is the first time the player is introduced to their promise, the innocence of childhood. He shrugged off the notion of the promise since he was not sure what to think, he said that he was not a hero and that he could not keep the promise. And Cloud who also at this time seemed cold to everyone, and unreal to Tifa. She still in a desperate attempt to keep him close to her more or less forced upon him the idea of keeping the promise. So from then on Tifa decided to go with Cloud and Barret on their next mission to Reactor 5. Though no one realizes at this time, Cloud also asks her why she went with them during the train sequence, she holds back and hints partially that she needs to watch over him, though it's not said completely.

This is just the beginning of their present life together. Before Cloud is able to set the reactor a flash of Tifa (in her cowboy outfit) kneeling next to her fallen father and grabbing Sephiroth's sword, as he remembers. This probably occurs considering they were in a reactor similiar to the one back then, and Tifa was with them this time, it triggered part of an event he had trouble remembering everything to. Cloud, Tifa, and Barret then almost complete their mission of blowing up Reactor 5 but before President Shinra shows up and claims as if he knows Cloud as a "traitor" to them, he sends a robot after them. Once destroying the robot, Cloud is left clinging for his life onto a ledge and below is seemingly a void of nothing. Tifa worries for Cloud as she wants to save him, he tells Barret to take care of Tifa and that he'll be okay. It's stressed that there is much more they need to tell each other and Cloud falls below to Sector 5.

There Cloud meets the mysterious Aeris Gainsborough formally for the first time, and saves her life from the Turks who pursue her. Through meeting her he is brought to her house and eventually she takes him to the Wall Market, but before which it is thrown out by Aeris' interaction with Cloud that he is similiar to a boyfriend, first class SOLIDER that she had dated once. This is where the idea of Zack comes into play and how Cloud had resembled Zack through his storytelling and similiarities. Eventually at the Wall Market he finds out that Tifa is there at Don Corneo's mansion. Through this discovery he is determined to "save" her, and through Aeris' idea he dresses up as a girl since that is the only way to get into the mansion undetected.

Once he makes it in he finds out where Tifa is and they reunite. Tifa breaths a sigh of relief that he is safe (and at the same time is surprised at his appearance). It is at this time that she tells him that after Cloud had fallen she had heard rumors about Shinra's plot to blow up the pillar above Sector 7 (where Tifa's bar is and Marlene), so she had to go in disguise (more or less as one of Don's floozies, a "bride" choice for him) to find out more information. Tifa's motivation to stop this from happening leads her into all this, but once again meeting up with Cloud she asks him to go with her to help. Cloud agrees after Don Corneo pulls a lever sending them to the sewers below. Once they make it to the pillar there a lot of gun fire and most of the members of AVALANCHE are wounded in which Cloud asks Aeris to stay behind and take care of them and Tifa realizing the danger asks Aeris to go and get Marlene at the bar while she tries to stop the pillar from falling. Cloud and Tifa both battle their way to the top where Barret is fighting off the enemy.

To sum up the next parts of the game, Cloud and the otheres go to rescue Aeris, and Cloud who felt responsible for Aeris getting caught. They do rescue her, but in the process is caught themselves later. After escaping the prison a trail of blood leads them to find out that Sephiroth has been there and killed off the president Shinra. Cloud stays behind to fight off Rufus, but as they go to take Aeris out of the building both her and Tifa realize someone should stay behind for Cloud, in which Tifa does. As the others make it out of the building Cloud comes down after Rufus gets away and they both run off to escape. Tifa leading the others to a car where they can get away in and Cloud on the big ass motorcycle that makes me wonder why he never kept it...=/ it also makes me wonder how Cloud ever knew how to ride one of those things..oh the magic of game storytelling. From the aftermath they all decide to leave Midgar in greater search of things, their own personal missions.

They first head to calm where Cloud tells the group for the first time his story of how he met up with Sephiroth and what happened in Nibelheim back then. He tells the group that he was in SOLDIER and travelled with Sephiroth, and Tifa was their guide. Cloud finishes telling the story of how he was the one who fought along side with him, and was there when Sephiroth went crazy, though he also finishes that he doesn't exactly remember what happend when he faced off against him. The group is amazed by the story, but Tifa questions him and asks how badly she was cut by Sephiroth back then. "You were pretty bad, I though you wouldn't make it" he tells her. Though there were no words spoken after which, the group continues on.

The next important moment between them happens at the Junon town. When they go to save Priscilla, Cloud falls asleep and his subconscious asks him about why he never got together with Tifa back then to catch up on old times, when he re-visited Nibelheim he doesn't know why, and wakes up want to ask Tifa as she enters the room. He begins to ask her but she says she doesn't know and quickly move their minds onto, and are more involved with the music of the welcoming ceremony of the new president Shinra, Rufus. They all travel to the upper part of Junon, and eventually disguise themselves to fit in with Shinra. There they fight Jenova and learn of the path Sephiroth has taken, which means they were on the right track. After which they wind up in Costa del Sol and find Hojo. The next important moment between Cloud and Tifa doesn't happen until they reach Nibelheim later on. Both are surprised to see that their town is still standing after they both remember it burning down, this is the first time they have been to the town in ages. They find that thier town is filled with people who don't remember anything of it burning. You even find reports of "clones" and such in Tifa's bedroom at this point.

The imporatant aspects of their relationship don't start to actually pick up until disk 2, but even before this there is the "date" scene which only gives you an idea of where Tifa's heart is and what she still can't say to Cloud for many reasons. Cloud is still struggling with himself at this point and at the temple of the ancients losing a lot of his grip on who he is, and what Sephiroth is doing to him. In the process Aeris runs off to the forgotton capital and dies after her prayer for holy. Between this his mind is being played with a lot, confused and full of guilt he continues on and wishes to find out the answers that Aeris was looking for and to find the answers within himself. On disk 2, you eventually make your way to the top where the whirlwind maze is, and the most important aspects of Cloud and Tifa's relationship happen here. Both are confronted with lies and deception, Cloud believing he isn't real and trying to figure his relationship with Tifa out, and Tifa trying understand what is going on. Sephiroth throws ideas into Cloud's head and says Cloud was made up of stories that Tifa talked about. Eventually it breaks him down, and tells Tifa that he hopes she meets the real Cloud again someday. He then winds up giving the black materia to the real Sephiroth and awakens him and in the process summons Meteor.

Cloud is scattered from the rest of the group and Tifa collapses by the force of the awakened Weapons. Though in my impression it isn't only because of that but by the pure overwhelming situation of losing Cloud. The next scene cuts to Tifa remembering the actually reunion between her and Cloud in Midgar and how he didn't remember much of anything that he was suppossed to, and that's why she offered him the job at AVALANCHE so she could watch over him since she didn't know what to do. In her mind she sees Cloud run off into the distance...obviously symbolic of how he is so far mentally and physically from her. She wakes up to find out Cloud is indeed missing, but captured by Shinra along with Barret. At this point they are taken to be executed because the felt a need for someone to take the fall for the summoning of Meteor and who better than AVALANCHE? Tifa is the first to be executed in a very cruel manner, put into a gas chamber and completely at the mercy of Scarlet and her bitchy self.

Luckily, Tifa had gotten a hold of the key's to let her hands go by the guard dropping it on the way out of the chamber. And with the confusion of Weapon attacking the area they were in. Barret tries to get Tifa out of there but understands he needs to find help and seek outside assistance. He runs into Yuffie and Cait Sith who then tries to help Tifa out but nothing works. By some chance, Weapon strikes the top of walls where Tifa was being held and she climbs out, but not before Scarlet and her guards begin to pursue her. Eventually Tifa climbs to the end of the canon (sister ray) and bitch slaps Scarlet and just in time Barret and the others get the Highwind and she jumps onboard. She's safe, but she quickly composes herself as she is now the group leader and realizes and wishes to find Cloud once more which is basically her mission as the leader at this point (see...even when she's given rights as leader of your group her mind is still on Cloud and nothing else..hmhm). It isn't too soon after that she finds a clue in the town Mideel as she bends down to pet a sad dog speaking to it her thoughts of love "you look as if you've lost someone you love, poor thing" she says..but just then she over hears two people talking about someone washing up on their shore who sounds like Cloud.

Tifa then runs into the clinic where she has heard he was and sees him in a comatose type of state. She becomes devastated, finding out by the doctor that he has mako poisoning. She tells the group that she cares for nothing else, vowing to stay by his side, because she still believes in him. The group goes off finding the huge materia which is found out through the spy Cait Sith, that the Shinra is heading to specific towns to get it back. Once they (either do or don't..) recover the huge materia they go to check back up on Tifa who is still taking care of Cloud. There is no change in his condition but not too soon after one of the Weapon's attack Mideel and the ground beneath the town is about to burst of lifestream. The others warn Tifa to get out of there, she tries to take him in the wheelchair, but unfortuantely the two of them don't make it. Within the games context and within the characters context the scene between them that happens next is extremely crucial in that it reveals the truth to everything between Cloud and Tifa, emotionally and there is some kind of resolution. Not only that but it brings them closer together as a couple in that their minds become one.

Tifa finds herself confused and alone, asking for Cloud's help, she is being accused of things she's not sure of. She breaks down and falls into Cloud's subconscious where he is struggling to find himself. Tifa realizes this and decides to guide him through his own mind in hopes that he'll find the answers for himself. If she were to put any ideas into his head of what is right and what was wrong he wouldn't be able to be who he really is. Which is why she says that he has to find the answers for himself when he asks her. Through his mind there are many personal memories about Tifa and ones about himself that involves the past in which Tifa finalls tells him he was not the one who came to Nibelheim back then with Sephiroth. Finding out the promise they had was actually real, and why he decided to join SOLDIER to begin with was purely for Tifa's sake. That the reason Cloud fought a lot was because of the accident the two of them got in when they were younger where they fell off the bridge as a result of Tifa's mourning over her mother's death. But that all along, when she thought Cloud didn't come to Nibelheim back then that he really did, but didn't make it into SOLDIER but still disguised himself and watched over Tifa (^^).

Through these discoveries he was able to find himself and finally come to a resolve. Cloud as a whole now, and Tifa next to him, they hear the voices of their friends and know that they are in the lifestream. They decide to come back to them and float to the top together. Both come crashing through in debris as their friends watch over them and as Tifa tells Barret that she saw the real Cloud.

The group later reunites and they go and continue their mission to find Sephiroth and stop Meteor now. Emotional wise their isn't anything too touching until the highwind scene, the last moment they have together before they go off to the final battle with Sephiroth. In which this scene can be played out as implying they went further physically or just mentally connected. Either way the scene plays out between these two characters as implying that they need only to rely on one another no matter what. Since everyone was given the choice to leave and not come back, to go see their family, neither Cloud nor Tifa had anywhere to turn but to themselves. This in itself speaks on it's own level, not to mention the dialogue between them is very deep and touching. After the two talk they fall asleep on a rock, Tifa sleeping on Cloud's shoulders as the sun rises slowly. They wake up briefly but fall back to sleep because they know their battle lies ahead of them the next day. The two realize no one came back from their group and continue on thinking they will be the only two fighting. They soon realize that the group has actually come back and has started up the ship. Barret and the others butt in and tell them that they saw them (or watched them) together and they both get a little embarrased (=D). The group comes to a resolve about their duties and such and continue on to fight Sephiroth.



Now, I dont know how you can play the game and completly miss that Cloud had a childhood crush on the girl, or that Tifa still feels very strongly for him (she almost confesses her feelings multiple times). The game is a love triangle, a VERY VERY blatant one on the parts of the females involved.

I'm even more baffled that you appear to think that Tifa and Cloud had nothing to do with eachother, but whatever. Its not like its the first time.

And I wish to note this again, I am NOT saying that Cloud and Tifa belong together, so if anyone starts the annoying CloTi vs. CloAer argument I will ignore them. Thank you and please return to your original broadcast.

[true_bacon22]

I always thought that in the high affection scene, Cloud and Tifa were just cuddling up to each other because anyone caught cuddling up to their special someone would bound to be embarrassed as hell and Cloud didn't have a response or anything. If they did have sex, he would have most likely been either blushing or grinning his ass off and he does neither. If he did blush or grin his ass off then the dialogue would have made it clear.
how would you tell if he was grinning THEY DONT HAVE MOUTHS lol

[Buster Sword Strike]

Maybe Tifa used those powerful hands of hers...

[spartancode117]

oh Barney your deffo right there! I
always wondered what happened between them two in that scene, but I think them actually having sex is abit too far... surely they've got more class then that :P ;)it was in the butt :eek:

[MJN SEIFER]

how would you tell if he was grinning THEY DONT HAVE MOUTHS lol]
Actually if you look; They DO. they even change positon during emotion. I'll get pictures in a minuite.

And Abominatrix I see you're point and this has given me a new view on it. I just missinteerpeted certain things.

[Mercen-X]

You all seriously need to watch Gungrave.

Here's why:

Brandon Heat loves Maria, but he can't tell her how he feels because certain things he's done make him unsure of himself.
Maria loves Brandon, at first she can't tell him how she feels because she knows he's unsure. When she finally does, it's too late.

If ever they'd been put in a situation where they could "get it on" before the imminent demise of the world, Brandon would likely not go through with it. Instead, the two would cuddle as has been the proposal of Cloud and Tifa.

[MJN SEIFER]

how would you tell if he was grinning THEY DONT HAVE MOUTHS lol]
Actually if you look; They DO. they even change positon during emotion. I'll get pictures in a minuite.


And Here they are! (Note Some contain spoilers)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/AerithsFall.jpg

[bipper]

I jsut got a new wallpaper - OMG thanks!

*Revels over the puppet masters victory*

Too bad - she was just a paper bag away from greatness


Bipper

[nik0tine]

yes, your theory is all well and good about them doin it all night long, but think about it: has square really ever gone that far with main characters? they probably made out. thats it. Ever played Xenogears?

[Mercen-X]

Nope. . . and it's no longer available in my general area. I can't buy on ebay either 'cause my account is -$400 and I'm between jobs.