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Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 09:57 AM

I just dicovered something... but i don't force you to read it...
In the battle at the beginning we see Squall wound bleed twice(!) and we see the ground and blood on it...

here have look...
http://www.finalfantasyultima.com/graphics/ff8%20pics/Pics/Disk%201/STR0744_0117.jpg

http://www.finalfantasyultima.com/graphics/ff8%20pics/Pics/Disk%201/STR0744_0118.jpg

And since i think strange to see someone bleed twice like that and show it to us... and i wanted to find something so i made a research on this symbol(i knew i had saw it somewhere) and here's what i found...

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/02/0213.html

A clue, perhaps...

Christmas

08-13-2005, 10:15 AM

What soft of clue do you think it is anyway? Look more like a random split of blood onto the ground that might or might not happen to form that shape.

But if it is no coincidence,I dun see any linkage with the game and the explaination of the sign or maybe this line mean something related to Raine?

In some meteorological sign systems http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/02/0211a.gif is used to represent rain that does not reach the ground.

Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 10:20 AM

I don't know, i just told it and i did'nt tried to find anything about that yet....
I don't see the link between Raine and the sign.... it was representing the moon, was indicating the ending phases of orbital movements...

but if you could precise the link with Raine and the quote...

and an other discovery... perhaps once again..
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/49/4913.html

The sun enters this sign around August 23
Squall's Birthday : August 23(http://www.leonhart.co.uk)

Christmas

08-13-2005, 12:39 PM

Alright, interesting discovery through a tiny random split of blood on the ground.

That Leo in the link had some little references to Squall and Virgo had a bit of tiny references to Rinoa.

But I only see them as references and not much linkage to the game itself. Maybe on the character of Squall and Rinoa.

As for Raine, I do see it as references as the line speak "rain that does not reach the ground" and that symbol is related to Squall one way or another.I only see it as a reference as how you see a random shape of a blood split related to this.

Just an example of reference to Squall's name:

Squall Leonheart: A squall has a few meanings in English: a sudden storm at sea, a scream, or (as lately it's been used) trouble of any kind. I think Square meant for him to sound like someone who enters your life and then leaves it, like a sea storm.

sparkie

08-13-2005, 03:19 PM

It was a large cut... so it was dripping....

You guys better hope FE doesn't see this.

Sir Bahamut

08-13-2005, 04:01 PM

In the battle at the beginning we see Squall wound bleed twice(!) and we see the ground and blood on it..

As sparkie said, that's not weird at all. Have you ever cut yourself? Considering the manner in which Squall was cut, it is perfectly reasonable that there'd be an initial splatter of blood induced from the cut followed by dripping blood from the wound. Nothing strange at all.

And since i think strange to see someone bleed twice like that and show it to us... and i wanted to find something so i made a research on this symbol(i knew i had saw it somewhere) and here's what i found...

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/02/0213.html

A clue, perhaps...

It's just a spillage of blood. The sequence lasts for what, 1 and a half seconds, if even that? And you're saying that this tiny little snippet of blood is some sort of deep clue into FF8's "true" story? No, I'm afraid it's just random. You're overanalysing to an incredibly high degree.

and an other discovery... perhaps once again..
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/49/4913.html

That would be something if it wasn't for the fact that while the previous symbol actually resembled the blood in a discernible manner, this symbol doesn't look like it at all. The only thing linking this symbol to Squall is the date, but there are hundreds, even thousands of things that are related to that date, so this is irrelevant.

Christmas

08-13-2005, 04:13 PM

I think he/she trying to stress the importance of the shape form by the blood and not so much on the spillage of blood.

But I agree it is a bit of overanalysing too much but just take it as a minor reference as at least he/she got something to support what he/she said unlike you know who.

Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 09:12 PM

I don't know why people always says that but my analysis are not always making reference or whatever to the game or the story themselves since bigs things are made of smallers... and as i told you i had saw it somewhere... and when i saw that as a picture and shows it to us in the movie(the blood i mean).... it could be a coincidence, of course, that the random spit of blood look like that or coincidence that i founded it.

And correct me if i'm wrong but i'm not sure about Raine since Raine might be not her name in the Japanese Version, but correct me if i'm wrong...

And FE, as i read, seem to modify things so it could go look like he wants them to look, like the thing with the colors...

BackRoomKid

08-13-2005, 09:20 PM

Imagine a big blade going for your face

it slashes you...the blade gets blood on it, and since he SWUNG it, the blood on that blade flies to the direction it was SWUNG, in this case the floor

The other spill of blood was from Squall's open wound himself...

but go ahead and twist if up for a wierd conspiracy, that's what Final Fantasy's are for

Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 09:22 PM

I did'nt twisted or change a thing in whichever pictures or words(symbol.com) that are posted on this threat and i don't see why i would have. I found that out and both symbol were similar.

And did you at least red the entire page?

And Sir Bahamut, it is'nt the symbol of Virgo, but the description that goes with it...

BackRoomKid

08-13-2005, 09:25 PM

no you didn't...i give you credit for that...since some are just dying for attention and will do anything to get it (twisting things, mixed messages)

but i put in my two cents just like you and everyone else

Sir Bahamut

08-13-2005, 09:42 PM

And Sir Bahamut, it is'nt the symbol of Virgo, but the description that goes with it...

Well, Squall being a Virgo fits nice enough(assuming the planteray system of FF8 is the same as ours of course), but that doesn't have anything to do with the pool of blood.

Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 09:57 PM

G SpOtZ

08-13-2005, 10:47 PM

oh my god i swear, this flare_cross guy is future esthar with a different account....

Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 10:50 PM

Has i said before....
I'm getting more then tired of that, no i am not Future Esthar if there's a way someone finds to prove it then just tell it.

And once again, I don't see why people started telling that just because i made somesort of theory that a made a night where i was spleepy like a zombie(like most of time, anyway) that i first thought to be good and i post it to see if whether or not people would agree with it or not and correct me if it was the case... not judge me or calling me name(i red some of FutureEsthar's theory)...

And did you at least red the entire page!?

Sir Bahamut

08-13-2005, 10:54 PM

...... the symbol of the "pool of blood"'s description is at Symbol.com...
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/02/0213.html
If you could at least take a few mins to read it, you would see that virgo is in the description(begining of line 9, to be precise, but it depends on the size of your IE characters...) and if you click on the symbol, you get this page...
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/49/4913.html

So you're saying the the pool of blood outlines a symbol which represents the "quadruplicity or quality mutable"(what does that even mean?) of various Zodiac signs, including the Virgo, which happens to be Squalls Zodiac sign(again, assuming FF8 is in our solar system)?

I have to congratulate you for actually finding a minute connection between something so random and Squall, but, and I mean no offense here, so what? Is it supposed to back up the "theory" that Squall is a Virgo? Is that it? Because quite frankly, this appears to be nothing but a small random connection, and nothing more...

G SpOtZ

08-13-2005, 10:55 PM

hah relax it wasn't an insult or anything XD or was it... LOL XD jus kiddin.

people only say it because you seem to have the same style of thinking as future esthar, and it's human nature to make connections between things we know and recognize.

back to ur theory:
it's interesting that you thought of this up, but i'm sure there are many symbols you could relate with a spill of blood. just like the spilt milk thing, or ink blots, you can relate them with pictures or images that you create with your imagination, althought i guess this is a little more different. however if squalls blood was spilled differently, i'm sure you could find a symbol that looks like it and come up with a whole different theory. there are so many symbols in so many languages that you can't just be like "hey, that looks like this" and completely relate it together....well, you CAN do that, but it just doesn't make enough sense for it to be comepletely true.

Flare_Cross

08-13-2005, 11:29 PM

I don't know why but you seem to always say that...
"JUST READ THE TEXT!"
What tells you it's random? for all i know there is nothing random in there since it always look like that(a video is a video) and it is shown... and most of the thing i red about the plots were based or started of things that were said/shown and easily forgotten. The Virgo is Squall and if you look at his attitude, he is one... it is'nt a random connection... even thought it might not have a huge importance in the game...

And Spot, the thing is a link, if you read it "imparcialy" and accept to see it as a possibility of a link.... A discovery does'nt have to make the world shake...

G SpOtZ

08-13-2005, 11:41 PM

you could have made any kind of "discovery" because there are so many symbols that you can see as "links" if the blood was spilt in any different way. that's MY point.

Sir Bahamut

08-14-2005, 12:12 AM

To stray off topic a bit(my own views already being stated), I have to apologise to you, Flare_Cross.

I asked Loony Bob(an admin here) to check your IP against Future Esthars, and he confirmed that the IPs are not even close to eachother. So I'm sorry for 'accusing' you of being Future Esthar anymore. It's just that the similarities are so striking you see, and you are a new account too.

Of course, Future may have two different computers, but such persistence would be quite foolish, and borders on Futures behvaiour when it comes to his own theories anyway.

Jessweeee♪

08-14-2005, 12:39 AM

I say the blood just fell on the ground that way and this is all just a coincedince.

G SpOtZ

08-14-2005, 12:41 AM

I say the blood just fell on the ground that way and this is all just a coincedince.
you kick ass.

Christmas

08-14-2005, 03:14 AM

I don't know why people always says that but my analysis are not always making reference or whatever to the game or the story themselves since bigs things are made of smallers...

Alright, it did made a minor references to the character of Squall like I said before. But it is just like how Squall's name is related to a sudden storm in the sea.

But if you are trying to said there is something BIG going on within this tiny little random spill of blood on the ground which happened to form a symbol related to Virgo, I am curious to know what you have in mind that what might be that something big that is linked to this something so small.

If you have nothing in mind, why not just treat it as a small reference until you can think up one....

Also, if it is so important, Square usually will made it more obvious and clear to the gamers like Squall having a high chances of being Laguna's son instead of observing a split of blood that happen in a FMV.

And if Raine name is not Raine in the Japanese version, I will like you to enlighten me what is her name in the Japanese version.

Lastly,you have the tendency to observe a minor and yet might not be important details and presume it to be something big like FE do.

G SpOtZ

08-14-2005, 03:23 AM

haha. raine. squall. why didn't i ever notice that the names had a connection? :laughing:

a squall can also be interpreted as a passing rain cloud too. i guess.

!?!? "rain cloud"?!?!

rain. CLOUD! oh my god squalls name has a connection to rain cloud, and cloud is the main character of ffvii and at the beginning of each story, cloud and squall have like the same attitude on life so therefore squall=cloud !!!

sorry. moogle pie.

Skyblade

08-14-2005, 08:00 AM

I'm sorry if you are indeed a seperate person, Flare_Cross. Being mistaken for Future Esthar is probably not what you had in mind for starting out in these forums.

So, taking your theory on it's own merits... I still see no reason to think that there is any accuracy to it whatsoever. Yes, the pools of blood could be interepreted as the symbol you give us information from. They could also be interpreted as several different things, the most likely of which is "that's the way the blood would fall if he got a sword cut across his face". What's more (and I may be wrong on this, I'll watch the opening vid later today to be sure I'm correct, so don't yell at me if I'm not), I'm fairly sure that the second blood splatter continues on past the point you chose to freeze frame it at...

So, I will apologize for calling you Future Esthar unless I find some more conclusive evidence supporting that fact. Instead, I'll just go along thinking that the FFVIII forum has two resident nutters.

zbonks

08-15-2005, 03:58 AM

It is a little weird you have to admit....but when i saw the beginning and saw the pool of blood i didn't go look it up on the internet and search for clues. I just played the game and found stuff out for myself. (Flare_Cross you must really have a lot of time on your hands)