spoilers

[Cloud No.9]

i personall think that the policy on spoilers should be made universal. what i mean by that is that it should not matter what age the game/film/book is. if i had only just started playing ff7 now then i read a thresd with spoilers which aren't hidden and posted everywhere the game is ruined. it doesn't matter what age the thing is. it's new to me. i may have only just got it or about to see it. storylines should be timeless and this applies for the spoilers too.

[TheAbominatrix]

What are you doing in the FFVII forum if you dont want it spoiled? Seems pretty easy to avoid to me.

[Cloud No.9]

well lets say in general gaming. and lets say you are half way through the game.

[Shlup]

Lets say you're halfway through the game. Don't read a thread about the game. Taa daa!

[TheAbominatrix]

Pretty much. If the thread says 'Legend of Dragoon', and you havent finished Legend of Dragoon yet, dont go in it. And if it isnt properly labeled, the first post will tell you what game it's about.

[Cloud No.9]

then why have a spoilers rule at all?

[Agent Proto]

The spoilers rule is only made for new books/games/movies/etc. No one wants to be told that Dumbledore dies if they haven't finished the new Harry Potter book.

dammit, I quoted myself when I was trying to fix a tag.

[Shoeberto]

Nice one, Proot :D

[Cloud No.9]

so why is new dfferent from old?

if you haven't seen it you haven't seen it old or new.

[TheAbominatrix]

Because you've had plenty of time to find out if it's old. If you cared that much about what happened in, say, Harry Potter, you'd know after 3 years.

[Cloud No.9]

"Because you've had plenty of time to find out if it's old." but you don't want to find out. and if you have avoided finding out and are still in the dark then that should be respected.

[Agent Proto]

If you don't want to know any spoilers for an old game you haven't finished, then just fricking avoid the threads, or don't even bother caring about spoilers. I got spoiled knowing the *OMFG* "huge" spoiler in FFVII and I haven't even finished the game. :D Not that I really care anyway... Though, a lot of people do get upset when a more recent game/movie/book gets spoiled, not on the older stuff.

[TheAbominatrix]

"Because you've had plenty of time to find out if it's old." but you don't want to find out. and if you have avoided finding out and are still in the dark then that should be respected.

Then dont go in threads about that subject. I dont see why that's so difficult.

[Psychotic]

The majority of people who wish to discuss the plot of a game/book/movie/whatever that is three or more years old are likely to have played/read/seen it, and I can't see the point in catering for a minority at the expense of a majority.

[Cloud No.9]

to most people it is. and in an ff forum that could be expected.

but lets take a recent example. the mgs threads that have popped up like weeds. a few weeks ago i didn't know about the fox die thing in mgs1. it was a pretty big thing in the game. but if i had started playing the game this week then it would have all been ruined.

[Agent Proto]

Well, neither have I, but you'll likely spoil yourself if you look in walkthroughs of some games. Besides, knowing doesn't have the same affect as if you're watching/playing/reading the spoiler for the first time.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

If it had been ruined for you, then you would have been in a position to say to yourself, "Oh, well. I had seven years to play that game and find out on my own."

[Yamaneko]

Mario rescues the Princess.

[TheAbominatrix]

It's pretty easy to stay out of threads/forums pertaining to things you dont want to be spoiled about. If it's that big of a deal to you, why go to forums at all?

[Cloud No.9]

"Oh, well. I had seven years to play that game and find out on my own."

but age should not be an issue. i mean if i was watching some film..... lets say the silence of the lambs for the first time and the guy beside me says "oh he escapes by eagling one guard and then wearing the face of the other, oh look here he goes now." i would be pretty miffed.

[TheAbominatrix]

Yet this is a forum, and you can control what you read, hence not reading threads about Silence of the Lambs.

[Shlup]

It's not a matter of how much time you've had to play the game/watch the movie/read the book as it is that, after two years, most people who wanted to do so have done so, and putting forth effort to save the minority from being spoiled is a waste of effort. Why should people worry about saying Aeris died for the three people that don't know?

If a game has been out for a week than saying a spoiler would effect a large amount of people. After two years (which I think is a generous amount of time) it becomes the slow person's responsibility to save themselves. Are you incapable of being responsible for yourself, Cloud?

[Cloud No.9]

no i just don't see why if a thread about an old thing can be avoided why can't one about a new thing be avoided in the same way?

[TheAbominatrix]

The majority of people who wish to discuss the plot of a game/book/movie/whatever that is three or more years old are likely to have played/read/seen it, and I can't see the point in catering for a minority at the expense of a majority.

[Agent Proto]

no i just don't see why if a thread about an old thing can be avoided why can't one about a new thing be avoided in the same way?

It can, it's called "selective reading". Members are free to choose what thread to read, if they want to avoid a thread about a movie/book/game they don't want spoiled, they simply don't read the thread. It's really not that hard. If the member reads the thread and gets spoiled, it's their damn fault.

[Endless]

Mario rescues the Princess.

No he doesn't. she's in another castle. YET AGAIN. *sigh*

And I agree about the announcement about spoilers.

[The Man]

Honestly, this is one case where I'm in agreement with Cloud, but I'm obviously in a very small minority here. I do think that the policy about spoilers should be made a bit more prominent, however, as most message boards require the marking of spoilers and it's entirely possible that an unsuspecting neophyte to this one would wander into a thread and receive unwanted spoilers. However, I can't think of a good system to do such a thing that wouldn't be obnoxious, so whatever.

Incidentally, I've had about three movies spoiled for me by reading this thread. Thanks guys. :cool:

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

This thread definitely reminded me of Aaron. Putting the fact that Magus can join the party in Chrono Trigger in spoiler text and all. I'd hoped he'd outgrown it, though.

[Raistlin]

I don't understand the problem here. If you don't want a 5-year-old game spoiled that you're just starting, don't read a thread about it.

A thread about a new game/book/whatever is more likely to have people looking in it that haven't finished it yet, but are interested. This is why the spoiler rule for new games. If a game is years old, most people who care to know already know, and the others should be smart enough to avoid threads about it.

Really, it's quite pointless to say in the FF7 forum Aeris dies when everyone reading that thread already knows.

[The Man]

It stands to reason that a very large number of internet newbies come to Eyes on Final Fantasy, as it is currently the second largest Final Fantasy-related forum on the Internets (AdventChildren.net is inexplicably the largest). It also stands to reason that a large number of Internet newbies would not expect to encounter spoilers in threads asking for assistance with games, and if they enter the Final Fantasy X forum seeking nothing more than help with their game only to witness thread titles such as "AFTER YUAN DIES HOW DO I GET THE AIRSHIP LOL," it stands to reason that they would be very displeased indeed, the fact that the spoiler is fake notwithstanding. (Needless to say, the spoilers users would encounter would most likely be real).

Maybe you want to upset and alienate a small percentage of your audience, seeing as you currently receive so much traffic regardless, but I don't think you got to be as large as you are by doing that, and as a site owner I find it helps to remember my roots.

[Del Murder]

I can see the argument for why spoiler tags should be used if you are referring to a plot point of a game/book/movie that is not in a thread or forum about that game/book/movie, but if has been years since that piece of media has come out then you would have seen it by now if it had any importance to you.

[Yamaneko]

Damn, we're the second biggest? Can I put that on my resumé?

[The Man]

as far as I know. There may be some other forum between AC.net and EoFF that I don't know about.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Jeez, we're bigger than FFO? But they're supposed to be the evil Empire.

[Raistlin]

FFO only has 4,296 members. *just checked*

EDIT: FFWA has 9,374.

So yeah, I guess EoFF is 2nd. =o

[Yamaneko]

The Shinra, if you will.

[RSL]

Yeah I would've guessed FFO to be bigger, and maybe even FF:WA. But I've never even heard of the place you said was first!

EDIT: I wonder if any of those forums ever do member prunes like we sometimes do?

[eestlinc]

I wonder if my account at FFO is still active.

[The Man]

FFOnline apparently only received like 2,000 posts last week. There's some site called bigboards.com or big-boards.com or something that logs how many posts FFO receives each week. Someone I talk to from another board nominated EoFF for inclusion (the requirement for being entered is that someone nominates you and you have more than 500,000 posts in your database), but I'm not sure if it's been added yet.

edit: Here's FFO. (http://www.big-boards.com/board/205/) 1,924 posts last week. I'm sure EoFF received more.

[Raistlin]

Oh man, FFO. I remember when BOU went over there and made a thread asking to be banned. Good times, good times.

EDIT: AC.net has 15,005 members. So yeah, it's a bit bigger.

EDIT2: and over 1.5 million posts. holy <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">

[RSL]

I wonder if my account at FFO is still active.

I had an account there but it got banned :(

[Yamaneko]

They probably don't like people from Iowa.

[RSL]

Not many people do.

[eestlinc]

I doubt mine got banned. I behaved myself.

seriously, when people complain about us being Nazis here we should send them to FFO.

[The Man]

EDIT: AC.net has 15,005 members. So yeah, it's a bit bigger.

EDIT2: and over 1.5 million posts. holy <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">
yeah, my first response to seeing that statistic was "It's probably all in the spam section." But apparently, the spam section is dead now. Only 350,000 posts, and that's only 50,000 more than it had eight months ago.

And I'm not banned at FFOnline. I feel kind of special.

[Agent Proto]

Silly Iowans always getting banned. They should have a law banning the ban of Iowans because they are cool, especially if their name is RSL.

[Raistlin]

My FFO account simply got pruned. :(

[The Man]

hmm, Shinra Online might also be larger than EoFF. (http://www.big-boards.com/kw/final-fantasy/) But they also suck. :p

[eestlinc]

yea, I'm sure mine did too, since I haven't logged on in over a year.

edit: Shinra Online has a fuckload of posts for only <700 members

[RSL]

I can't even remember the last time I even thought about FFO until this thread came up.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Shinra Online
Posts: 1,093,950
Members: 652

What.

[The Man]

I still have an account, at any rate (http://ffonline.com/forums/member.php?username=The+Man)

haha, I'm still advertising LastFF in my signature. It must have been close to a year since I logged in there by now.

[Raistlin]

hmm, Shinra Online might also be larger than EoFF. (http://www.big-boards.com/kw/final-fantasy/) But they also suck. :p
Also only 650 members. I consider number of members to be worthy of consideration, too.


yea, I'm sure mine did too, since I haven't logged on in over a year.
It's getting close to 6 years for me. xD

[Yamaneko]

We hit 1 million database posts in February of this year. We probably have another 50,000+ by now.

[The Man]

hmm, Shinra Online might also be larger than EoFF. (http://www.big-boards.com/kw/final-fantasy/) But they also suck. :p
Also only 650 members. I consider number of members to be worthy of consideration, too. Meh. Members are pruned regularly at a lot of forums; I consider the amount of new posts a board gets per day to be the widest barometer of how big it is. Although most of SO's posts are spam and most of EoFF's are... well, come to think of it, so are a large number of EoFF's lately, so never mind.

I'm sure that if EoFF still had post counts and hadn't ever pruned, several people would be well over the 10,000 post mark by now. I'd be close, certainly.

[eestlinc]

man, they pruned me. smurftards.

[Yamaneko]

Wait, why are we discussing post counts here? Damn you, Aaron!

[The Man]

http://www.fools-gold.org/forum/images/smilies/avatar827_8.gif

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

To return to the subject at hand, I think the only real spoiler requirement for older games is that they shouldn't be blatantly in the title, and newer mediums should be marked with tags. As was said MANY times, you can choose which threads you want to access, nobody is FORCING you to visit a thread about a game that's been out for years that people have probably already beaten and are discussing the finer points of. If you look, I say you deserve what you get.

[Madonna]

Enter a game's forum, expect a spoiler or a million; these are fora dedicated to their respective games. What did you expect? Talks about Care Bears?

[eestlinc]

<a href=http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=67995>Just for you Lynxie</a>

edit: haha! how useful!

[Meat Puppet]

stay off the internet

[escobert]

The spoilers rule is only made for new books/games/movies/etc. No one wants to be told that Dumbledore dies if they haven't finished the new Harry Potter book.

dammit, I quoted myself when I was trying to fix a tag.
Damn you! I didn't freaking know that wtf argh I just started the book :(

[Jojee]

I think Jiff is joking. Or at least HE BETTER DAMN WELL BE *eats you* ;x

Anyway, I also agree with Cloud-dude and Aaron ^_^ Sure, they don't have to go into the FF7 forum if they don't want FF7 spoiled for them, but it is a really long game, and people may want to discuss the game before they finish it. Or they may want help on the storyline, or to help others. Saying most people have played it by now doesn't make sense... why would we mark spoilers for [insert some newer game here], then, if we don't make it universal - people who haven't finished the newer game shouldn't go into the respective forum either, right? Also, what does it matter if only a few people haven't played the game by now? We can still show some consideration for those few people by marking our spoilers with spoiler tags; it doesn't take that much effort. Laziness, biatches, laziness :tongue:

Haha and FFWA and FFO used to be more active... they've died down :p