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Discord
08-23-2005, 01:53 AM
I’ve got a theory! It explains everything that happens in the game and more:

Seifer and Squall are very good friends, but they hide it in order to fulfill they dark desires. Their main objective was to make sure that Squall could have a good hit on Rinoa. That’s why Seifer dated Rinoa beforehand and told Squall everything about her. Then Squall used his great theatralic SeeD skills and acted dumb.

Seifer send a BGMail (BalambGarden) to a woman that looked really weird and could cast some weird spells on a mediocre level. That was Ultimecia. Later in the game, they asked Edea to capture the World so Squall could get hurt badly (with a ice-arrow bought at the local ToyRUs). This made Rinoa feel pitiful about him and so on.

Then they transformed the garden into a hovercraft by placing few FF8 fans underneath it. When Squall finally defeated Edea, Rinoa was darted with a sleeping arrow. Then she dreamed like they flew through the space and all the rest of it.

After “killing” Adel, who was a transvestite clown, they’ve set a few minor Davil Coperfield tricks and imitated the time compression. Rinoa, whose cigarettes were replaced with stronger stuff, started seeing some weird Sorceress, who was the same clown as Adel without the muscles implants.

Then they by accident decapitated the bad actor that was meant to play the EVIL Ultimecia and everyone was happy since.

Who paid for all this? Laguna is very expensive as a president.

And finally what did everyone achive:

- Squall got Rinoa! BINGO!
- Rinoa got Squall (or at least that what she thinks)
- Seifer got a fishing holiday for free
- Edea fulfilled her dream of ruling the world in a kinky makeup
- Cid got a new and a very big car that doesn’t really fit into most parking lots and killed his poor business partner NORG
- Caraway tested his new missile systems
- Esthar citizen got healthy due to the fact that their lifts went out of order
- Few poor actors got their salary
- Laguna suffered the same fate as Lui XVI

Now doesn't that explain every single theory posted in these forums before! And that the way the real men do it kids!

raskerino
08-23-2005, 02:05 AM
Finally someone who truly understands FF8

Skyblade
08-23-2005, 03:18 AM
The amazing thing is that this actually makes more sense than most of Future Esthar's theories...

Discord
08-23-2005, 03:27 AM
Glad you liked it*beam*

G SpOtZ
08-23-2005, 03:53 AM
transvestite clown... of course! that whole theory explains EVERYTHING! it was RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES! wow. how could we all be so dumb??!?

luby moogle.

fantasyjunkie
08-23-2005, 06:26 AM
That is probably the most sensible account of what truly happened behind the scenes :D :D :D

boys from the dwarf
08-23-2005, 11:00 AM
what?!?!?! am i the only one here who appriciates FF8.this is an outrage!!!

Raven Nox
08-23-2005, 11:10 AM
That. Was. Wonderful! =D

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 11:43 AM
:twak:

Christmas
08-23-2005, 11:52 AM
No, you are wrong. Seifer helped Squall to get Rinoa isn't friendship. But his hidden love for Squall.

And Rinoa love Squall because his old man is the president and she is plotting to get Laguna's wealth.


:D

crazybayman
08-23-2005, 01:00 PM
Makes perfect sense.

Rusty
08-23-2005, 02:55 PM
xD

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:06 PM
:twak:

Discord
08-23-2005, 03:08 PM
Just to set it clear, its not a critique on FF8, but rather joke about the amount of threads called "Theory on FF8!"

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:24 PM
Yes, we know.

But DroneofTravis' point still stands: :twak:

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Call me that once more and you'll have to spend the rest of your life typing with one finger

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:32 PM
Call me that once more and you'll have to spend the rest of your life typing with one finger
What are you going to do about it?

Also, not that it would give you ANY advantage condisering how you type...

Also :thumb: great theory almost as good as that Bahamut=Selphie theory (BS Theory) mentioned earlier.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 03:35 PM
Bah, just wait for school tomorrow PiP....

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:36 PM
Got Biol Excursion, full day :cool:

And you can't take me...

Christmas
08-23-2005, 03:37 PM
Just to set it clear, its not a critique on FF8, but rather joke about the amount of threads called "Theory on FF8!"

This is a rather good question. Why is there so many theories threads in the FF VIII sections compare to others. Do FF VIII really have so much to discuss about compare to the other FF series or others just like discussing FF VIII?

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:38 PM
Probably because FFVIII left a lot unexplained...

Christmas
08-23-2005, 03:41 PM
There is still a lot of stuff left unexplained in other FF series.
Like just who is Necron. (I know there is an anaylsis done by SquallofSeeD but it is still not confirmed.)

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:45 PM
True, but the number of theories is usually linked to how much is left unexplained, there are some theories about the other FF's such as DroneofTravis' X-Death thing for FFV etc.

FFVIII was a pretty good game, deserving of many crackpot theories, but I do think it is about time for people to let go.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 03:47 PM
This is a rather good question. Why is there so many theories threads in the FF VIII sections compare to others. Do FF VIII really have so much to discuss about compare to the other FF series or others just like discussing FF VIII?

Hey that's right! MAKE MORE FFV THEORIES!

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:49 PM
Nah, FFTA! There's lots of BS there to misinterpret...

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 03:51 PM
FFT was BS to begin with...

EDIT: oh, you said FFTA....meh, I stand by it.

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:52 PM
I said FFTA but you can come up with certain theories about FFT...

EDIT: At least you had the common decency to put "EDIT" so I don't look a complete moron...

Skyblade
08-23-2005, 03:54 PM
Nah, FFTA! There's lots of BS there to misinterpret...

:eyebrow:

You mean "interpret properly", don't you..?

Actually, the number of theories is usually tied to how much people enjoy the game, rather than how much is left unexplained. Even things that have been fully explained can be twisted into insane new theories.

Christmas
08-23-2005, 03:55 PM
Something I find in ThroneofDravaris' thread:



I feel like I'm in the ff8 forum! xD

Is FF VIII well known for its theories? Well, we have theory threads up to nearly 20 pages here and although a bit twisted, but the theorist insisted that he is right. Anyway, I do kinda agree with this.



FFVIII was a pretty good game, deserving of many crackpot theories, but I do think it is about time for people to let go.

But I do like to see some interesting theories like someone finally know who Ultimecia and explain his analyzation.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 03:56 PM
Actually, the number of theories is usually tied to how much people enjoy the game, rather than how much is left unexplained. Even things that have been fully explained can be twisted into insane new theories.


I don't know...FFV isn't my favourite game, yet it didn't stop me from writing a 4200 word essay on it...

I think spite can play a part as well.

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 03:58 PM
Still it was YEARS ago, some theories are better than others, and we all know that Seifer = Angelo, so we DON'T need to keep posting similar theories about it.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:01 PM
I thought Angelo was Pen Pen....

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:04 PM
No, Pen Pen is obviously Kaworu the only difference is that one is straight...

raskerino
08-23-2005, 04:05 PM
Probably because FFVIII left a lot unexplained...

Nah... it's just future esthar comes to the FF8 forum most. And then other people make theories or make threads asking about theories. And then people making threads laughing at all the theories.

And so the cycle begins...

Christmas
08-23-2005, 04:10 PM
Nah... it's just future esthar comes to the FF8 forum most. And then other people make theories or make threads asking about theories. And then people making threads laughing at all the theories.

And so the cycle begins...

Not really, Flare_Cross , ThePheonix and Skyblade's theories got nothing to do with Future Esthar unique theories.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:15 PM
Probably because FFVIII left a lot unexplained...

Nah... it's just future esthar comes to the FF8 forum most. And then other people make theories or make threads asking about theories. And then people making threads laughing at all the theories.

And so the cycle begins...

It’s kind of like a “Spiral of Death” isn’t it?

raskerino
08-23-2005, 04:16 PM
Not really, Flare_Cross , ThePheonix and Skyblade's theories got nothing to do with Future Esthar unique theories.

Alright I overgeneralized but a lot of theories come out of what I said. Also looking through the page of threads when has Skyblade made a theory, he's great at arguing against unsound theories, but I couldn't find one he had made.

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:16 PM
Still it was YEARS ago, some theories are better than others, and we all know that Seifer = Angelo, so we DON'T need to keep posting similar theories about it.

Oh my GOD! Rinoa plays out on Angelo! Poor thing :D
Change of topic! Who from FFVIII do you want to be under these circumstances. I wanna be junction of Angelo, Seifer and Cid!

Christmas
08-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Alright I overgeneralized but a lot of theories come out of what I said. Also looking through the page of threads when has Skyblade made a theory, he's great at arguing against unsound theories, but I couldn't find one he had made.

This one (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66293) or at least look like one to me....

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:19 PM
Oh my GOD! Rinoa plays out on Angelo! Poor thing :D


I was wondering when someone was going to mention bestiality…

raskerino
08-23-2005, 04:21 PM
This one or at least look like one to me....

I considered that noticing a problem with a theory and then expanding on that not one in it self, but that might just be me.

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:27 PM
My favourite theory though is this one, comes from a different forum:


Time Travels

_______________________
_______________________
______Time_Travels_____
_______________________
__Laguna______Julia____
_______\______/________
________Rinoa__________
________Squall_________
_______________________
_______________________
___Rinoa______Squalll__
________\____/_________
________Laguna_________
________Julia__________




Seriously, FutureEsthar is badly beaten in this one, so as I said, it can always get better. There must be some charm about FF8 having "cool" theories.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:29 PM
There are so many things wrong with that...

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:31 PM
Indeed, anyway, is Angelo the right one for Rinoah?

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:33 PM
Indeed, anyway, is Angelo the right one for Rinoah?

He's the one she spends the most time with:)
What if Angelo is a bitch though? That makes it even more confuzzling.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:33 PM
Um, isn't Angelo female...?

Meh, could get any worse...

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:35 PM
Um, isn't Angelo female...?

Meh, could get any worse...

Rinoa said it herself:"Angelo is very intelligent"

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:35 PM
Well, Angelo *must* be male, I mean, he does do naughty things to Rinoahs arm in certain limit breaks...

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:37 PM
...are we taking this thread down a path we want to travel?

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:37 PM
Well, Angelo *must* be male, I mean, he does do naughty things to Rinoahs arm in certain limit breaks...

Not at all, she has a crossbow on her arm. Think of the rest yourself.

EDIT: Could we ask the staff to change the title to "FF8 the true plot! 18+"

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:38 PM
The crossbow is on the wrist....

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:38 PM
I don't think that's going to cut it...

EDIT: Man, this would make a GREAT hentai...

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:39 PM
Change of topic! Any other good theories you heard of people?


I don't think that's going to cut it...

EDIT: Man, this would make a GREAT hentai...

Hell yeah! It would badly beat the regular FF8 hentai about Malboros and Rinoa.

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:40 PM
Actually when you think about it, it might cut it.

...

...

*shudders*

*runs*

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:41 PM
Um, I heard once that Ultimecia has no actual body, and that what you see in the end is a combination of the bodies of all Sorceresses in existance, and that her final form is the TRUE ultimecia.

EDIT: You saw nothing...

Christmas
08-23-2005, 04:42 PM
Um, I heard once that Ultimecia has no actual body, and that what you see in the end is a combination of the bodies of all Sorceresses in existance, and that her final orm is the TRUE ultimecia.

huh? Then the first form that we fought is actually....her spirit? or something else?

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:43 PM
Um, I heard once that Ultimecia has no actual body, and that what you see in the end is a combination of the bodies of all Sorceresses in existance, and that her final orm is the TRUE ultimecia.

She the "Sum of all Fears", or also known among the common people as "The Sum of all kinky Dreams"



Um, I heard once that Ultimecia has no actual body, and that what you see in the end is a combination of the bodies of all Sorceresses in existance, and that her final orm is the TRUE ultimecia.

huh? Then the first form that we fought is actually....her spirit? or something else?

Lets ask the professional! Whom am I talking about?

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:43 PM
ZOMG!

DroneofTravis is making a very good point... but that would mean that ultimecia is actually a very ugly badly pixelated humanoid thing :confused:

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:45 PM
ZOMG!

DroneofTravis is making a very good point... but that would mean that ultimecia is actually a very ugly badly pixelated humanoid thing :confused:

Thats what the rabbits think about us too. Just show acceptance(yeah right!)

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:45 PM
huh? Then the first form that we fought is actually....her spirit? or something else?

No, her first form is a combination of all of the sorceresses throughout history, and her final form is the actual Ultimecia.

Makes sense...sort of.

Although we do see her before time compression...so maybe not

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:45 PM
Um, I heard once that Ultimecia has no actual body, and that what you see in the end is a combination of the bodies of all Sorceresses in existance, and that her final form is the TRUE ultimecia.

EDIT: You saw nothing...
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"ULTROS + ANGELO = ULTIMATE TENTACLE HENTAI" is what you said I believe, now let's discuss that :cool:

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:47 PM
You can't prove that I said that.

And stop calling me DroneofTravis!

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:49 PM
Well, we both now you said it, although Ultros=Ultimecia is probably a much better theory, I mean it has much more ground than R=U because they both start with the same letter...

THE SAME LETTER! U=U that's as mathematically correct as x=x

EDIT: OR ASUKA>ALL

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:49 PM
huh? Then the first form that we fought is actually....her spirit? or something else?

No, her first form is a combination of all of the sorceresses throughout history, and her final form is the actual Ultimecia.

Makes sense...sort of.

Although we do see her before time compression...so maybe not

I think that the first form is the true Ultimecia physically and the last one is true Ultimecia/Griever/Something-else with a lot of part cut out character.



Um, I heard once that Ultimecia has no actual body, and that what you see in the end is a combination of the bodies of all Sorceresses in existance, and that her final form is the TRUE ultimecia.

EDIT: You saw nothing...
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"ULTROS + ANGELO = ULTIMATE TENTACLE HENTAI" is what you said I believe, now let's discuss that :cool:

Seriously, who would "read" a hentai about dogs and octopuses? I mean, hentai is bad enough already, but animal hentai is just not right.

Little Miss Awesome
08-23-2005, 04:52 PM
I HEARD THERE WAS A SPAM PARTY, CAN I HELP OUT?

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:53 PM
I think that the first form is the true Ultimecia physically and the last one is true Ultimecia/Griever/Something-else with a lot of part cut out character.
But, what about the possibility that Ultimecia steals bodies, I would say that the last form would be the TRUE physicall form...

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:54 PM
I think the final form is the only one that can exist in time compression, and since time compression has progressed to a terminal level at this point, maybe its the other way around, and the final form is the combination of every sorceress throughout existance, and the first form really is her...

Or maybe they just made it like that because it looked F@#$ing awesome!

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:54 PM
I HEARD THERE WAS A SPAM PARTY, CAN I HELP OUT?

No spam here, it is idiotic, but its a discussion:)

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:55 PM
No I would say that Ultimecia in general would be the only one to be able to exist in time compression, I don't think it matters whether it reaches it's last form...

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 04:56 PM
So, is that the story we stick to if the mods come?

Maybe we could just edit it all....

Sir Bahamut
08-23-2005, 04:56 PM
Although we do see her before time compression...so maybe not

Exactly. This point negates that theory. The truth is that the first Ultimecia we fight is the real Ultimecia. The so-called "True Ultimecia"(ie. ugly blue monster) is Ultimecia transformed so she can absorb all of time and space(just scan her final form and see for yourself). The name "true" Ultimecia is thus misleading, as it's quite the opposite.

EDIT: God gamen you guys post fast!

Discord
08-23-2005, 04:58 PM
No I would say that Ultimecia in general would be the only one to be able to exist in time compression, I don't think it matters whether it reaches it's last form...

But the point is that time compression takes time to start and ultimecia changes during the course of the event. It doesn't explain however why Squall didn't change though. I mean, Rinoa getting the playboy bunny hat and a pink lingerie. Squall looking like Michael Moore. Zell becoming Michael Jackson. Where is all this if the time compression changes the looks?

Christmas
08-23-2005, 04:58 PM
I think that the first form is the true Ultimecia physically and the last one is true Ultimecia/Griever/Something-else with a lot of part cut out character.

Pretty agree. The first one is the regular sorceress Ultimecia and the last one is pretty twisted since she is absorbing time and space. So it is basically a combination of sorceress and probably other stuff as well.

Reference:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8307/ultimecia23cq.png

EDIT: You ppl sure post fast....and I think I am just repeating what Sir Bahamut said....

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 04:58 PM
No spam here, it is idiotic, but its a discussion:)
Keep telling yourself that...


Exactly. This point negates that theory. The truth is that the first Ultimecia we fight is the real Ultimecia. The so-called "True Ultimecia"(ie. ugly blue monster) is Ultimecia transformed so she can absorb all of time and space(just scan her final form and see for yourself). The name "true" Ultimecia is thus misleading, as it's quite the opposite.
There is no "real" ultimecia probably, and why do you make a sensible argument?

Sir Bahamut
08-23-2005, 05:00 PM
The Ultimecia we see in the throne room is as real as any of the main characters. But yeah, sorry for bringing some sense into the spam attack :p

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 05:01 PM
Lol, have you ever noticed that every theory on FF8 has the word "probably" in it?

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:01 PM
But the point is that time compression takes time to start and ultimecia changes during the course of the event. It doesn't explain however why Squall didn't change though. I mean, Rinoa getting the playboy bunny hat and a pink lingerie. Squall looking like Michael Moore. Zell becoming Michael Jackson. Where is all this if the time compression changes the looks?
Yeah, I would say that Ultimecia getting here hiney whooped probably contributed most to the change, the explaination is just there to fill a plot hole as to why she changes form as you do more damage...

Christmas
08-23-2005, 05:03 PM
Lol, have you ever noticed that every theory on FF8 has the word "probably" in it?

Because it can't be confirmed. Like the R=U theory.

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:05 PM
General rules for this thread:


No using of the word spam(oops just broke it)
No colourful letters in size 7
No hentai
No political correctness
The last one was a joke

Little Miss Awesome
08-23-2005, 05:05 PM
I HEARD THERE WAS A SPAM PARTY, CAN I HELP OUT?

No spam here, it is idiotic, but its a discussion:)
Ok, I apologize about that.
I believe that Ultemecia was a state of mind, not a true force, as in a physical force, probably.

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 05:06 PM
In addition, Ultimecia: Final doesn't have a face. Could this mean that she has abandoned the persona (mask) of Ultimecia, and that the form we fight in the end is someone else entirely?

My God....


IT'S ENUO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:06 PM
But the point is that time compression takes time to start and ultimecia changes during the course of the event. It doesn't explain however why Squall didn't change though. I mean, Rinoa getting the playboy bunny hat and a pink lingerie. Squall looking like Michael Moore. Zell becoming Michael Jackson. Where is all this if the time compression changes the looks?
Yeah, I would say that Ultimecia getting here hiney whooped probably contributed most to the change, the explaination is just there to fill a plot hole as to why she changes form as you do more damage...

Maybe its because bosses always change for in FF games:)

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:06 PM
Lol, have you ever noticed that every theory on FF8 has the word "probably" in it?

Because it can't be confirmed. Like the R=U theory.
Yeah, it would be funny though if Square-(whatever) released a statement about it... Although there is no chance, it would still be bloody funny.


YOU'RE ALL WRONG RINOA IS LAGUNA!

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:09 PM
Lol, have you ever noticed that every theory on FF8 has the word "probably" in it?

Because it can't be confirmed. Like the R=U theory.
Yeah, it would be funny though if Square-(whatever) released a statement about it... Although there is no chance, it would still be bloody funny.


YOU'RE ALL WRONG RINOA IS LAGUNA!



Opponents of the theory point to an editorial posted on SquareX, the writer of which claims to have spoken with an unnamed source at Square who denies the connection. The veracity of this account, and the identity of the source, are unclear, and proponents of the theory have expressed doubts as to its authenticity.

Little Miss Awesome
08-23-2005, 05:10 PM
In addition, Ultimecia: Final doesn't have a face. Could this mean that she has abandoned the persona (mask) of Ultimecia, and that the form we fight in the end is someone else entirely?

My God....


IT'S ENUO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew it all along.
Tidus is a blatant rip of Zell, too, probably!

Christmas
08-23-2005, 05:11 PM
In addition, Ultimecia: Final doesn't have a face. Could this mean that she has abandoned the persona (mask) of Ultimecia, and that the form we fight in the end is someone else entirely?

My God....


IT'S ENUO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can see her corpse which is her real self hanging at the bottom. The face is probably energies she gather from absorbing time and space.


Maybe its because bosses always change for in FF games

Not really, the final bosses in FF I and FF II doesn't change form. Also, in FF IX and FF X the last bosses didn't change form either but you did have to take on two different bosses.

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Opponents of the theory point to an editorial posted on SquareX, the writer of which claims to have spoken with an unnamed source at Square who denies the connection. The veracity of this account, and the identity of the source, are unclear, and proponents of the theory have expressed doubts as to its authenticity.
Close enough really... I mean, it's quite obvious that there probably is no actually theory behind any of it, it's probably just suggesting it, so many years later, a couple of people in a spam thread will be making fun of everyone that has made crackpot theories...

I call it my Square are sadists theory

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 05:14 PM
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1046083/Ultimeciaproof.jpg

Hmm, she said she was Ultimecia...

Well that blows the Enuo thing out of the water..

Man, I thought I was onto something...

EDIT: WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The final boss of FFV called Neo X-Death, yet clearly he is a seperate entity from the original X-Death. Maybe this new creature is just CALLING itsel Ultimecia, to hid the fact that it is really Enuo....

Back in the ball game!

EDIT 2: Now look at this:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1046083/Ultimeciafull.jpg

is it just me, or does this look like Ultimecia's final form has BROKEN OUT of her previous body? Not only that, but we know it is a seperate entity, because the lower half is a seperate target, that provides her with the Apocalypse spell. Ah, so the Final Form is more than likely, a competely serparate entity to the original Ultimecia.

We're on to you Enuo!

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:16 PM
look at DroneofTravis' post for pic
Hmm, she said she was Ultimecia...

Well that blows the Enuo thing out of the water..

Man, I thought I was onto something...
Once again, we go back to my S=S theory...

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:17 PM
You can see her corpse which is her real self hanging at the bottom. The face is probably energies she gather from absorbing time and space.


Maybe the first Ultimecia we see is ment to represent her still being a human being, while the last one is her being consumed in envy and hate, where her physical and once humanlike features are nothing more than a swinging pendulum corpse.

EDIT: Heh, people put so much critique on FF8 story compared to FF7 story, but really, has anyone seen so much talk about the true Sephiroth? I for one, didn't.

EDIT2: Actually, Ultimecia1 doesn't look too bad:)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Ultimecia.jpg

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:21 PM
Maybe the first Ultimecia we see is ment to represent her still being a human being, while the last one is her being consumed in envy and hate, where her physical and once humanlike features are nothing more than a swinging pendulum corpse.

EDIT: Heh, people put so much critique on FF8 story compared to FF7 story, but really, has anyone seen so much talk about the true Sephiroth? I for one, didn't.
The real question is... does the physical form matter in FF games, a series where one may be turned into a frog by mere random encounters...?

ThroneofDravaris
08-23-2005, 05:23 PM
Quite, we are one step away to proving that Ultimecia is really Enuo!

DON'T RUIN IT!!!!!!!!!!

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:25 PM
Quite, we are one step away to proving that Ultimecia is really Enuo!

DON'T RUIN IT!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, so we are all agreed that Squall Ultimecia=Enuo or the U=E theory?

Now onto the Square=Sadists theory...

Christmas
08-23-2005, 05:27 PM
The real question is... does the physical form matter in FF games, a series where one may be turned into a frog by mere random encounters...?

That depends whether the situation did play a influence on the plot or the game itself.

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:28 PM
Maybe.

Congrats we are a burning thread now!

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Maybe.

Congrats we are a burning thread now!
That was ages ago, do you think we can get this up to 5 pages before the fun police close it?

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:33 PM
Close it? Why, we are having a discussion here! Its not like we are spam'in.

I still think that the last Ultimecia is her character and a body after a Lionheart treatment.

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:35 PM
Close it? Why, we are having a discussion here! Its not like we are spam'in.

I still think that the last Ultimecia is her character and a body after a Lionheart treatment.
The REAL question is whether it really matters, I refer back to my S=S theory...

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:37 PM
Close it? Why, we are having a discussion here! Its not like we are spam'in.

I still think that the last Ultimecia is her character and a body after a Lionheart treatment.
The REAL question is whether it really matters, I refer back to my S=S theory...

Seriously, does anyone actually thinks here that the playwrite of FFVIII has actually considered the idea that Ultimecia can be Rinoa or that Squall walks in the future Esthar in the end of the game or that the last Ultimecia is something special or that anyone here would ever waste their time by thinking about some idiotic theory?

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:39 PM
No, thus my S=S theory, it is quite simple that FFVIII was a game with a plot with some loose ends because the writers couldn't be screwed explaining it or more likely didn't even have an explaination, and just decided to go with the plot holes ;)

Discord
08-23-2005, 05:41 PM
No, thus my S=S theory, it is quite simple that FFVIII was a game with a plot with some loose ends because the writers couldn't be screwed explaining it or more likely didn't even have an explaination, and just decided to go with the plot holes ;)

And I get the NR100 post!

I think that it was good to leave you some thinking space or we would end up with a cinderella story. Plus, Steven King does it too:)

Primus Inter Pares
08-23-2005, 05:42 PM
Yeah, true, and you get the #100 reply, I get the #100 post :D

Skyblade
08-23-2005, 09:45 PM
Damn, this thread has been busy...


Also looking through the page of threads when has Skyblade made a theory, he's great at arguing against unsound theories, but I couldn't find one he had made.

The closest thing I've made to a theory about FFVIII is my idea for a sequel (which is a direct continuation of the original game, and involves solving the problem created by Squall at the end of the game). I don't make many theories, mostly because they aren't worth it. If there are plot gaps that I can't fill, I don't feel there is any use to making up random theories with no basis in the reality of the game. I only present a theory if I can support it with in game evidence, and feel that the point I am presenting a theory on needs the clarification. That doesn't happen often. Instead, I focus on enjoying the game, mastering gameplay and trivia, and picking apart the theories presented by others.

Still, if you would like to see what happens when I begin to look too deeply into the game, I did make a very nice theory on FFTA...

And now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go away with a headache after reading all that...stuff...

Discord
08-23-2005, 10:46 PM
Good stuff though! We didn't get blocked, so it can't be too bad:D

I think I need to play FFTA now:)

Mihhailovitš
08-23-2005, 11:45 PM
A whole lot of words(the first post)
That was so funny I forgot to laugh.

Discord
08-24-2005, 03:12 AM
A whole lot of words(the first post)
That was so funny I forgot to laugh.

Can't remember myself saying that, but oh well, banned is banned.

SammieBabe
08-24-2005, 04:34 AM
This thread is awesome......

BackRoomKid
08-24-2005, 06:29 AM
Dramatic Clap everyone

bravo

BG-57
08-24-2005, 06:42 AM
Might as well.

:twocents:

Here are my FFVIII Theories:

1) The GF Eden is a Garden. The evidence is that she looks like an organic version of a Garden. Note the upper disc. Also the garden of Eden was the GF's namesake.

2) The painting puzzle in Ultimecia's castle refers to Diablos. The solution involves a Messenger and Diablos' attack is called Dark Messenger. If the garden that the puzzle refers to is Eden, then Diablos may represent the devil that disguised itself a serpent and corrupted man. Quite an appropriate theme for Ultimecia.

3) The GFs are future versions of the main characters. This is based on a passing resemblance between some of the main characters and some of the GFs. I really doubt that this one is true, but it's fun to think about.

4) It occured to me but to other people independantly as well that Tiamat may be a corrupted future Bahamut. The major evidence is the similar attacks (Mega Flare versus Dark Flare) and the identical character design in different colors. Again, this is unlikely since Tiamat is traditionally a boss monster quite different from Bahamut in other FFs. For one thing, it usually has several heads, like a hydra.

Christmas
08-24-2005, 07:43 AM
1) The GF Eden is a Garden. The evidence is that she looks like an organic version of a Garden. Note the upper disc. Also the garden of Eden was the GF's namesake.

Maybe. But sometime it also wonder what is carbuncle, doomtrain....etc and where do they come from and why are they here?

But if you are talking about the physical appearance of Eden, then it do look a bit like of a garden.


2) The painting puzzle in Ultimecia's castle refers to Diablos. The solution involves a Messenger and Diablos' attack is called Dark Messenger. If the garden that the puzzle refers to is Eden, then Diablos may represent the devil that disguised itself a serpent and corrupted man. Quite an appropriate theme for Ultimecia.

Here is an interpretation I have in one of the older threads.



INTERVIGILIUM (Sleep) - The sleep magic
VIVIDARIUM (Garden) - The Garden of SeeD
VIATOR (Messenger) - Diablo's dark messenger attack

Big Picture: In A Garden Sleeps A Messenger:

Diablos sleeps inside the magical lamp which is given in Balamb garden,

Anyone can have their interpretatons of their own like future Esthar having his but since there is nothing much to verify it, I can't say much about those pictures only that it make the boss appear that's all.


3) The GFs are future versions of the main characters. This is based on a passing resemblance between some of the main characters and some of the GFs. I really doubt that this one is true, but it's fun to think about.

Well, maybe you should specific which GF looks like who.


4) It occured to me but to other people independantly as well that Tiamat may be a corrupted future Bahamut. The major evidence is the similar attacks (Mega Flare versus Dark Flare) and the identical character design in different colors. Again, this is unlikely since Tiamat is traditionally a boss monster quite different from Bahamut in other FFs. For one thing, it usually has several heads, like a hydra.

Like if Squall didn't get Bahamut in the past and so in the future Ultimecia captured Bahamut and turn it into Tiamat?

But like why Ultima Weapon and Omega Weapon look alike because they are both weapons so they look alike or Omega Weapon is the future version of Ultima Weapon if Squall didn't kill it in the past?

Maybe both Tiamat and Bahamut are both of the same species of GF that's why they look alike?

Primus Inter Pares
08-24-2005, 09:20 AM
Species of GF?

Now THAT sounds interesting :p

BG-57
08-24-2005, 05:25 PM
It occured to me after posting that the garden could be Balamb, so that interpretation of Diablos in the lamp fits as well in a more specific sense.

Here's my original suggested master-pet pairings:

Squall -> Griever
Rinoa -> Shiva
Zell -> Ifrit
Selphie -> Carbuncle
Quistis -> Siren
Irvine -> Alexander

Seifer -> Diablos
Raijin -> Quetzecoatl
Fujin -> Pandemonia

Some people took exception to the Irvine pairing, but there's no GF I could find a closer resemblance. Others thought a less evil-looking GF would be more suitable for Seifer.

Of course what better GF for Selphie than a bouncy green bunny? :D

There's no explanation of who Tiamat is junctioned to in the present, but it would be natural that there are other GF's out there that the party doesn't get.

I've considered the link between Ultima Weapon and Omega weapon, but what I don't get if they're the same monster then where did Cloud's sword go?

Discord
08-24-2005, 06:24 PM
I think that Seifer should be Bahamut and Irvine should be Odin.

Happy Wakka Day, Ya!

Laugh at face of Danger
08-24-2005, 08:21 PM
That was good to read! *runs to Toys R Us for an ice arrow*

roffles me! :spin:

Christmas
08-25-2005, 05:27 PM
Species of GF?

Now THAT sounds interesting :p

I guess it sound absurd to you, but do you have anything in mind?



Here's my original suggested master-pet pairings:

Squall -> Griever
Rinoa -> Shiva
Zell -> Ifrit
Selphie -> Carbuncle
Quistis -> Siren
Irvine -> Alexander

Seifer -> Diablos
Raijin -> Quetzecoatl
Fujin -> Pandemonia

Some people took exception to the Irvine pairing, but there's no GF I could find a closer resemblance. Others thought a less evil-looking GF would be more suitable for Seifer.

Of course what better GF for Selphie than a bouncy green bunny?

Do Rinoa seems "cold" to you as to represent her as Shiva?
I guess I agree on the Irvine pairing. But seem Irvine is a jolly guy and Cactuar seem to have a jolly face, why not Irvine and Cactuar.

But they do represent the character in a certain way.


There's no explanation of who Tiamat is junctioned to in the present, but it would be natural that there are other GF's out there that the party doesn't get.

Highly possible. If Squall and CO own all the GF, then what about the other SeeD. There is a high possiblily that there other SeeD too rely on GF.


I've considered the link between Ultima Weapon and Omega weapon, but what I don't get if they're the same monster then where did Cloud's sword go?

Why not think where do Cloud's sword came from in the first place. They can just give it the sword and just remove it from it. But there is no telling whether they are the same monster or not since there is nothing to verify it.

Medi
08-25-2005, 05:43 PM
That theory is hilarious.

Masamune·1600
08-25-2005, 06:23 PM
Here's my original suggested master-pet pairings:

Squall -> Griever
Rinoa -> Shiva
Zell -> Ifrit
Selphie -> Carbuncle
Quistis -> Siren
Irvine -> Alexander

Seifer -> Diablos
Raijin -> Quetzecoatl
Fujin -> Pandemonia

Some people took exception to the Irvine pairing, but there's no GF I could find a closer resemblance. Others thought a less evil-looking GF would be more suitable for Seifer.

Of course what better GF for Selphie than a bouncy green bunny? :D

I know you've already stated that the character -> GF theory is unlikely, but there are several things I would like to point out as regards this idea. First, the most common suggestion is that Squall is Griever (usually in conjunction with certain R=U theories). This, however, is in and of itself false, as we know that Ultimecia constructed Griever from Squall's thoughts.


[...]the game directly addresses the question of Griever being directly Drawn from Squall's mind. Ultimecia tells Squall that Griever is being Drawn from his thoughts. The direct Japanese dialogue drives this home with heightened clarity.

Quote:
Ultimecia: Your feelings, I shall summon the most powerful of things
[from them]! The more strongly you feel, that will be what shall torment
you. Fufu.

In this context, the scan data can be interpreted to support the supposition that Griever was "created on the spot." Griever, in Squall's mind, was the ultimate GF, and, using those thoughts as a template, Ultimecia brought forth a GF to battle the party. This view makes even more sense in light of the fact that Ultimecia can blow away stocked spells, suggestive of her ability to affect memory.

It's also important to note what Griever actually meant to Squall. On Disc 2, when Rinoa questions Squall about his ring, he notes that lions (like the one on the ring) are known for their great strength and pride. As these are qualities that are very important to Squall, I would personally view Griever as more akin to an ideal, than simply a known legend.

Quote:
Rinoa: You know something, I couldn't afford to fall off that cliff and
die. I have something very important that belongs to you. I can't die
until I give it back to you, right? Zell gave it to me, see? I've been
holding onto it.

Squall: (I'm gonna kill him...) That's my favorite ring. You'd better
give it back.

Rinoa: I'm sure it is. It's a cool-looking ring. What's this monster on
it anyway?

Squall: It's not a monster. It's a lion. Lions are known for their
great strength and pride.

Rinoa: Hmm...great strength...pride... ...Kinda like you, Squall.

Squall: I wish...

Rinoa: Hmm...so this L I O N of yours, does it have a name?

Squall: Of course. Griever.

Admittedly, we know that Squall has some knowledge of 'legendary Guardian Forces.' After all, when encountering Bahamut in the Deep Sea Research Center....

Quote:
Bahamut: I am... Bahamut.
Squall: The legendary GF....

This is not enough, however, to sway me from the belief that Griever was, in fact, directly Drawn from Squall's mind. It's certainly possible (maybe even probable) that a GF called Griever existed in the world of FFVIII. However, the Griever utilized by Ultimecia was, most likely, a reproduction of this being based on the parameters for Griever that existed within Squall.

This bit may seem out of context (and it is, as it was originally a reply to the idea that Ultimecia's Griever was not formed on the spot/Drawn from Squall's mind). In this case, though, the idea is clearly to demonstrate that Griever is not Squall. Having said that, the segment concerning Bahamut as a "legendary GF" suggests that at least some Guardian Forces are known, and can be demonstrated to be static. As I see it, at least, this theory can't work.


There's no explanation of who Tiamat is junctioned to in the present, but it would be natural that there are other GF's out there that the party doesn't get.

It's almost certain that GF's exist that the party never encounters. Selphie herself makes mention of junctioning a GF before coming to Balamb (this was included to explain her memory loss, although we can use it here to suggest the existence of other Guardian Forces).

I've always liked the notion that the uncorrupted Tiamat could have been Selphie's mysterious GF; unfortunately, there's no way to know.


I've considered the link between Ultima Weapon and Omega weapon, but what I don't get if they're the same monster then where did Cloud's sword go?

They're not the same monster. Scanning Omega Weapon suggests that he is more powerful than Ultima Weapon, which in itself suggests differentiation between the two.


Stronger than Ultima Weapon, Omega Weapon is the strongest monster. It is bad luck to run into this monster.

For that matter, Ultima Weapon can be destroyed before Time Compression is initiated, which would mean that, if they were the same, Omega Weapon would have already been destroyed. While the normal flow of time is distorted during TC, this event (defined before the distortion), would have already been locked in stone.

Sir Bahamut
08-25-2005, 07:28 PM
Your last comment concerning time compression in relation to Ultima being Omega is not entirely good I'm afraid. See, time compression was never actually completed, and since we know so little about it, it is impossible to tell if such a thing would happen before all of time was fully compressed.

But regardless, the scan info is a good enough proof for them not being the same.

Necronopticous
08-25-2005, 08:13 PM
BG-57, if you have some serious theories that you actually want to discuss, make a new thread for them. This awful thread is no place for them.

Seriously guys, this forum is cluttered enough with crazy theory threads, don't add to it with garbage like this.