pop-punk

[eestlinc]

What's up with that? Punk is by definition not pop.

[nik0tine]

That crap's not real.

[Necronopticous]

Instrumental rap.

[eestlinc]

rap music is not anti-instrumental by definition, though.

[Rusty]

Its a genre of music for those who can't sing either good pop or good punk.

[FallenSilence]

It could also be defined as a "lighter" variation of punk.

[Xander]

I dunno but I like it anyway.

[Cz]

Popular Punk music, it's as simple as that.

Instrumental rap, on the other hand, doesn't make sense.

[TheAbominatrix]

Not really, as the music isnt at all punk to begin with.

[Cz]

That would be the 'popular' influence, then. :p

[TheAbominatrix]

Well no, it'd just be a different genre altogether xP

[Cz]

And what do you propose we call this newfound genre?

[TheAbominatrix]

It isnt new at all. It's the same basic 'rock' that's been around for quite some time, they just put the band in mohawks and plaid pants and called it punk.

If it had some actual musical sembelance to punk rock I'd have no problem with it, but it doesnt. It sounds nothing whatsoever like punk.

[Rye]

Pop-punk in my opinion:

1. A rock group that USED to be punk, and now has fallen from their glory. (Green Day, maybe?)

2. A band or artist that try to act extremely badass, but still is still just pop with guitars. (Avril Lavigne... or modern Green Day trying to be all political?)

3. Bands that are a bit heavier than bands like... say... Switchfoot, but are still poppish. (Sum 41)

But that's just me.

[eestlinc]

so who are they trying to fool?

[Dr.K]

I get all mixed up with pop-punk. All it is when you break down the exterior is pop-rock with perhaps less mainstream lyrical topics or something that sets it aside from average 'pop-rock'. Some 'pop-punk' bands though may as well be just pop full stop *coughgoodcharlottecough*

[Laugh at face of Danger]

Yea, i think Rye nailed that one

[ZeZipster]

Signed bands that call themselves pop-punk:
MxPx
Amber Pacific
Hot Hot Heat
Something Corporate
Alkaline Trio
New Found Glory
Good Charlotte
NOFX
Millencolin
Simple Plan

I find it to be everything that isn't Alternative (synthesizers and whatnots) but still isn't punk. Although, that's pretty hard to define because punk has MANY definitions, as it's changed a lot over the years. Punk can sound like anything from hardcore rock to grunge rock(Nirvana was punk, as far as Kurt was concerned). I think you could call any punk band with lyrics you can easily decipher pop punk. Looking at that list pop punk bands also seem to add in instruments that wouldn't normally be in punk bands but wouldn't make them ska, like pianos (Something Corporate and Hot Hot Heat).

[MecaKane]

Pop punk bands are bands that usually have punk sounding music with less than punk sounding lyrics, more often that not being geared towards teen angst or, as Blender magazine put it, Bart Simpson punk, would rather take a cop's hat than bash in his skull. Greenday (for their entire career), Sum 41, Blink 182, to name a few of the less <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">ty ones. Of course Simple Plan and Good Charrlote being at the bottom of the barrel.

"I don't think Joey Ramone would date Hillary Duff."

[Rye]

Yeah, Kane put it super well.

[TheAbominatrix]

It really doesnt sound punk at all, which is my point. The music just isnt heavy enough in any way, even when compared to melodic punk like The Adicts. There just arent any vestiges of punk sound in almost all of them.

Pop-punk as of late is really just marketing. Take a look at the culture that was growing a few years ago... pop princesses and boy bands ruled the roost. It was all about beauty and popularity. But there was a growing trend of kids disgusted with this, but still looking for a mainstream outlet. This set the Hot Topic boom, where kids could go to look different than those ever-so-hated 'popular kids' without neccesarily needing to put very much thought into it. This gave rise to bands who were different, but again without very much thought to them (innocuous lyrics, really), and record labels caught on to this trend and began pushing these pop-punk acts, who claim to be rebels but still dont sing about anything meaningful.

Attaching the word 'punk' to these bands is all marketing. Having a girl like Avril Lavinge (who really is just the Britney Spears of her genre) dress 'punk' gave her appeal when there was no market for people like her. It made her seem different, gave her an 'edge', and thus the kids flocked to her.

When this trend dies, these bands will have to change or die. Even Green Day has changed over the years (the thoughtless political slogans made to appeal to a nation of frustrated but lazy and idiotic youth), right down to their style of clothing. They adopted the tie deal... if they'd come out with their old outfits on, the kids would have never bought them as punk.

It's all marketing really. And boy I rambled on about that.

[GooeyToast]

It was a very good ramble 'Natrix.

[Pure Strife]

Once again, TheAbominatrix clears house on the whole thing. To coinicde, I'd just like to compare how Green Day changed their style and stayed in vogue, and the Offspring stuck to their guns and lost the support of the Hot Topic Kids. Two bands branded under the same label who both had great popularity in the early-mid nineties, one of them changes their style and everyone loves them, the other doesn't and a whole generation of kids almost forgets them.

I may be exaggerating about the forgetting part, but I have to wonder whether if they'd come out in ties and eyeliner they'd still be as popular as their Smash-Americana days.

[TheAbominatrix]

Thankie-sa, Toast :<3:

edit: And thank you as well, Strife.

While I myself am not a fan of The Offspring (nothing against them, just not into them), I certainly agree with you there.