Sephiroth's Sword

[Flare_Cross]

Just by looking at the size of that thing, it's sure that he must have problems with it..

Someone knows where he puts it between battles? How he can draw it?

Since Most of the time the graphics doesn't give us a clue when he draws that sword of his...

[Karl]

im also curious but as most people are going to say, its a video game

[bipper]

Well the sepho you chase around the world is pretty much a ghost? no? A ghost in a video game...

Bipper

[Flare_Cross]

Well he was also using it when he was alive... and i don't thing square would be noob enough to make something like that : just saying "it's a video game" and don't exlpain it, because for us it is maybee a game but for the character in it, it is real. Now you might ask, What's the point?, Are you crazy?, WTF?, well they are creating a world at each Final fantasy, and i'm not sure they are noob enough just to make a world for us to call it that... it needs to be.... well you know, what a world needs to have...

What 'am trying to say is simple, i'm not sure they would make a side(or whatever) of the game unanswered...

[G SpOtZ]

to flare_cross: i'm pretty sure they would. lol.

maybe they just didn't want to make things complicated. also, with the graphics, they just want you to assume that he has a sheath. you can see him and cloud draw and sheath their weapons, but once they do it, they disappear.

u know what else you could ask? what happens to ur party?? when your walking around, you're only controlling cloud. say an event happens, you all of a sudden see your two other party members come OUT of cloud!!! oh my god what just happened! and uh oh, the event ended, so the characters decide to merge with cloud again! i wonder if it hurts, or if cloud feels uncomfortable...

lol sorry. i mocked you. i'll get serious now.

i'm pretty sure there was another thread that wasn't exactly BASED on this, but there was a discussion on it within the thread.
somebody (probably masamune1600) stated that it shows sephiroth when he sheaths his weapons at his side. just use ur imagination. you know, the sheath case thing doesn't have to be as long as the masamune.... it can just be like a collar that is enough to hold the masamune from falling off his side.

[bipper]

He may never even sheath his weapon. The only time I remember him taking out his weapon is when he was in his ghost element. Think about it though... to unsheth that thing you would need like a 7 foot span between both hands! Or at least a longer reach. ( I do not remember the exact length of the sword)

Bipper

[Masamune·1600]

It's not exactly accurate to speak of Sephiroth as having had a "ghost element;" while it's often a debate as to exactly who or what the party was chasing throughout the first disc, there's no question that "Sephiroth" was physically present.

There's actually a much more pertinent question regarding the Masamune, which is how "Sephiroth" regained it after leaving it in the body of President Shinra. It could be argued, I suppose, that he was able to return for it, although that raises numerous questions.

I don't recall actually ever addressing the issue of a sheath for the Masamune before, although I would imagine that he had one. While there's no apparent sheath in the original Nomura artwork, it only makes sense to assume he had something of that nature. It's worth noting, I suppose, that Kadaj can be seen with the Souba sheathed in AC screens. While that weapon is nowhere near the length of the Masamune, it's similar enough, I would say, to suggest some sort of a parallel.

[MysticD]

Sephiroth doesn't even have a sheath for his sword......
Take the Part where you meet Sephiroth in the burning Nibelheim in disc 2 for example.Notice Sephiroth in the photograph doesn't have a sheath.The sword is just behind his back. :p

[Masamune·1600]

Actually, that's not what's depicted in the photograph. As seen here (http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/ff7/screenshots/images/351.png), Sephiroth is holding the Masamune during the Nibelheim photo, as opposed to having it somehow strapped to or otherwise located behind his back. As he is simply holding the blade in his hand, it's impossible to make any sort of real judgment based on that picture.

Again, whether it involves using a conventional sheath or just some simple sling (or even something else entirely), it's logical to assume that he would have had some way of carrying the blade beyond holding it.

[MysticD]

Logical enough:)
But the only way i've seen Sephiroth holding his sword was with the blade facing behind him,like in the FMV where he walks away from Nibelheim in the fire(Not sure bout' that)

[boys from the dwarf]

he probbably has a sword case for it somewhere but its just a video game.

[Mercen-X]

His pocket.

[MysticD]

He downsizes the sword and places it into his pockets?



Thats......


ORIGINAL!
I LOVE IT!

[G SpOtZ]

maybe he's one of those circus freaks that can swallow a sword. that's a mighty long sword to swallow. and i'm sure it would hurt a lot. i guess you wouldn't be able to carry it around like that, though...

lol, you see sephiroth walking around completely stiff bodied, with a blade and handle sticking out of his mouth. LOL how does he see where he's going? *trips, falls, blade cuts open sephiroths insides, sephiroth dies, meteor was never summoned and nothing happens*

[bipper]

Good poing Massamune 1600, however, I don't think the sheith was used too often. Prolly just when he was shopping and running daily errands. In battle, it would be extremly cumbersome to unsheeth the sword. I am sure when emminant danger was near the sword was held at his side, as insinuated throughout the game.

I am more intrested in his ghostly essence though. Now this is raising a lot of flags in my mind. As was, the masamune more intricate to the story than we are led to belive? Why was no one else able to wield it? omg. Too much, too much.

It seems with FFVII there are never any easy questions.

Bipper

[G SpOtZ]

how do you suppose he obtained the masamune in the first place?

[Brian The Pink Shark]

hmmm, someone with a sword that big must be compensating for something :O :choc:

[Flare_Cross]

maybee is sheath is.... well i'll go with somsort of picture... the orange color is used to say where the blade is "incased" on the sheath....
(the top of the sheat is on the right.)
________________________
________________________(normal sheath)


___
__________________|_|___(Seph's sheath)

so only a part of the blade is sheated... the |_| is somesort of weird strap so that the blade does'nt get out.

[Dreddz]

If the game was going for a more realistic approach, it would fall in shambles. So be happy and enjoy....

[Shoden]

it's uber like it's owner.


I don't think it has a sheath.

[Rednikcam]

im also curious but as most people are going to say, its a video game


Wait you mean I haven't been playing my life through this screen?

[G SpOtZ]

how do you suppose he obtained the masamune in the first place?
somebody answer that. lol i'm seriously curious.

[Shoden]

He probably had it given to him by Shinra. Well the Murasame is just lieing around when you find it.

[Sephex]

The sword that Sephiroth owns can be teleported anywhere. That and it's invisible if you want it to be. Tifa proved that when she grabbed it in Cloud's flashback.

[bipper]

somebody answer that. lol i'm seriously curious.

Ok well first we have to remember that he magically left the thing in president Shinra, then he magically has it again later. The next part we look at advent children when I have no idea<pre>







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Hope that didn't ruin anything from Advent Children for ya :p

Bipper

[Shoden]

XD that just earned this thread a 7/10 rating.

Here in eoff we rate in Noob stars.

[Aidan]

What 'am trying to say is simple, i'm not sure they would make a side(or whatever) of the game unanswered...

the way sephiroth draws his sword really is irrelevant to the way the game plays out.

anyways, he keeps a sheath on his side, and when he puts his sword away, the sheath is facing behind him, looking like it isnt there. most of an explanation i can give.

[Shoden]

The scabbard must be somewhat flexible rubber, so if it's tied to sephiroth he can draw it easier.

[Mo-Nercy]

Masamune is completely unpractical. It exists only to make him look cool.

A katana is designed to be curved slightly so that it can be drawn exceptionally fast (because when we swing our arms out, it tends to curve around the body instead of move straight). Wakizashi's (shorter katanas) are considered to be exceptional defensive weapons because they can be drawn faster and also have a smaller "blind spot". The same advantage goes to Kunai (daggers). Adversely, a Nodachi (the katana's bigger brother) has a lot more power behind it but the longer it gets, the more it has to curve. The more it has to curve, the more range advantage the wielder sacrifices while needless weight is added.

Sephiroth's Masamune is not only unfathomably long but has a curvature similar to that of a katana, instead of a nodachi (never mind the fact that it more or less triples the length of the nodachi, while means it would have to curve to the point where a chakram is formed).

Also the blind spot on the Masamune has to be huge. A katana is SINGLE EDGED (i.e. a blade) and needs to be flipped over constantly throughout a battle to keep the bladed edge in front. The weight of the sword also adds to this blind spot. Therefore, the Masamune, regardless of how well Sephiroth swings it, is slow as.

It's also convention (actually, a necessity) for all katana to come with a sheath. A sheath for the Masamune would be stupid because Sephiroth's arm isn't as long as his sword, which would also make drawing, as well as sheathing, unpractical. Besides, it's more badass to lug around an open sword.


Therefore. Sephiroth is stupid. And so is his stupid sword. They should have called it MaSTUPIDsame.
xD

[Mercen-X]

My one and only question is: When in the game did anyone indicate the size of the Masamune? I don't remember that. If Square expects us to base the sword's size on one or two pics and the fact no one else can wield it, then those are factors that can easily be explained away.

[Mo-Nercy]

My one and only question is: When in the game did anyone indicate the size of the Masamune? I don't remember that. If Square expects us to base the sword's size on one or two pics and the fact no one else can wield it, then those are factors that can easily be explained away.
They never give the exact length, but I think it's made obvious to anyone who's played the game that it's REALLY EFFING LONG!

I don't think the "A wizard did it" excuse works when it's right there on the screen for everyone to see.

[Shoden]

actually werent katanas invented to slice on both sides? it was invented to overcome the weakness of the british swords and stuff wasn't it?

Sephiroth could own a few people with that killer.

[Mercen-X]

They never give the exact length, but I think it's made obvious to anyone who's played the game that it's REALLY EFFING LONG!

I don't think the "A wizard did it" excuse works when it's right there on the screen for everyone to see.
OH? Whenever you see Polygon Sephy, his sword is decidedly shorter than the imaginative FMVs lead us to believe. Cloud's/Zack's sword, on the other hand, in polygon is exactly the size it should be in proportion to Cloud's/Zack's body.

[bipper]

I think the massamune was said to be 6 feet long. Its in the manual i believe... :D


actually werent katanas invented to slice on both sides? it was invented to overcome the weakness of the british swords and stuff wasn't it?

Nope, katanas were made as a speedy quick slash weapon. British swords were designed to be more versitile, and had two sharp sides. Ninjas had the shorter bretheren and would hold the katana lengthwise at thier foe, to make the foe think they had a longer blade that what they really had.
The curve in the katana was dull so that users could use thier hand to force the blade into thier enemies flesh with out a full swing. Used mainly for the stealth kill. :D


Bipper

[Rengori]

How many of these threads must surface?

[crashNUMBERS]

He bring's it everywhere. Does he bring it to bed with him too?? As his teddy bear or something..

[Gilgamesh of Legends]

I think the massamune was said to be 6 feet long. Its in the manual i believe... :D


actually werent katanas invented to slice on both sides? it was invented to overcome the weakness of the british swords and stuff wasn't it?

Nope, katanas were made as a speedy quick slash weapon. British swords were designed to be more versitile, and had two sharp sides. Ninjas had the shorter bretheren and would hold the katana lengthwise at thier foe, to make the foe think they had a longer blade that what they really had.
The curve in the katana was dull so that users could use thier hand to force the blade into thier enemies flesh with out a full swing. Used mainly for the stealth kill. :D


Bipper

Ninja's didnt use special swords, they were regular katanas, sorry to burst your bubble :cry:

[bipper]

Wow, I know nothing you know it all and you win. Congrats! Out of all that thats all you say; thanks :love: Read it closley, i was digressing the way they used the Katana. But since your a real ninja, I will listen to what you have to say. Sorry, I will not call katanas shorter than british swords ever again. :mad:


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How many of these threads must surface?
How much must you spam cinical questions? :D
bipper

[Rengori]

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How many of these threads must surface?
How much must you spam cinical questions? :D I've relized the answer to both questions;
As much as it takes.

[Mo-Nercy]

Yeah. A katana is designed for the quick kill. In fact, there is an entire stance in kenjutsu devoted to the art of striking an opponent as the sword is drawn (popularised by Rurouni Kenshin) called Battojutsu or Iaijatsu. The idea behind it is to reduce air resistance by drawing from the sheath creating a vacuum, allowing the blade to move at 2-3 times normal speed.

The Masamune would be too slow to kill anything outside of the video game world.


Ninja's didnt use special swords, they were regular katanas, sorry to burst your bubble
I don't know much about ninja's but I'm sure that their weapon of choice would have varied with personal preference. It's not as if there was a law stating that a ninja HAD to use a katana. In fact, the ninja with kunai is probably more stereotypically recognisable than one with katana.

EDIT: New source states that ninja favour shorter blades called Ninja-to, which are longer than a Wakizashi but shorter than a Kodachi. The only reason why ninja are more recognisable with kunai is because Naruto popularised it.

[Sergeant Hartman]

His sword is obviously telescopic.

[Skyblade]

Another note on ninja weapons. If my weapon history is not failing me completely, the blade of a ninja was straight, unlike the curved blade of the katana. This is because a ninja's blade (or, more specifically, his sheath) was used as far more than just melee combat. I'll look it up before posting more, but I'm fairly sure of this.

[Pouring Rain]

Hey, I just notice when someone takes their sword out (Like Cloud), they...well lets call it "pretend" to pull it out of his back, and bingo! its in his hands! Sephiroth...well he kinda just pulls it out of his side, like hes pulling it out of his pocket. So maybe, hes a majician cause I have no idea how he call pull a sword that big out of his pocket, dude.

[Jiro]

I think the masumane is found in wutai in a shrine when it gets attacked by soldier. you know the big war cloud misses. and if you look cloud puts the buster sword on his back when casting magic so it must have a collar. same with seph but at the side

[Skyblade]

I think the masumane is found in wutai in a shrine when it gets attacked by soldier. you know the big war cloud misses. and if you look cloud puts the buster sword on his back when casting magic so it must have a collar. same with seph but at the side

But they don't show us any such collar. Aeris' staff floats in front of her when she casts magic. It's magic, no explanation is required.

[Lord_Bahamut]

ok....how about this then......to set ya'lls ideas in thair place Sephiroths Sword is a Ton lighter than the Buster.........and Cloud with his thin arms swings it around fightin like it was as light as a feather...soooo! with that said you have to assume to Sephiroth his sword is like holding a Pencil...seriously...think about his Strength..

[Ceil]

Slightly OT, but confirms earlier statements...

Ninja did have a weapon called the Ninja-to, yes it was longer than a wakizashi and shorter than a katana, and it has a straight blade. Also, the sheath has more of a box (flat) shape than the katana sheath's rounded form. I've owned cheap-ass versions of all three, and looked into the weapons. It's amazing what interests growing up on Final Fantasy and Dungeons and Dragons can spawn in your mind, and where these interests can lead your studies ^_^

And yeah, Sephi carries his Masamune around with him. Cos he's a bad-ass. Mrawr.

[DarkLord]

This thread is getting very intellectual right so i'd like to point out before I drown in see of incomprehensible syllabilic speech that I think it's an odd topic and watch on interest. Or when I don't understand, feigned interest.

[Shoden]

It used to be my sword but I sold it on ebay coz I got a better sword, Sephy gave me alot of money for it and must thank him.

[Callahan]

I just wanted to offer a more simple explaination.

A) He has more than one sword. Cloud and every other person in the game cycles through different versions of their own weapons, why shouldn't Sephiroth?

B) If he has a sheath, it isnt based on a draw forward mechanic. Imagine it being more of a clam shell design. The sheath could be hinge in the middle with the side that falls down. Then it clicks closed. The force of drawing the weapon would be enough to free the door. But normal travel wouldnt unhinge it. Altough this is not in keeping with traditional ninja and samuri swords, it could work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/MikeCallahan/sword.jpg

[DarkLord]

:p Aah, I've got it!
He's stolen mary poppins bag.

[KoShiatar]

My one and only question is: When in the game did anyone indicate the size of the Masamune? I don't remember that. If Square expects us to base the sword's size on one or two pics and the fact no one else can wield it, then those are factors that can easily be explained away.



President Shinra is dead...

Cloud: "Only Sephiroth can use that sword."
"You sure?"
Cloud: "Of course. He uses it to shave his legs. Do you think anyone else will want to touch it after that?"

[Roogle]

He probably wouldn't take it everywhere with him. We only see him in hostile environments most of the time, so he's always just carrying it at his side.

I don't imagine a sheath for it, but I do think that he had some sort of platform or pedastal for it to go on while he wasn't using it, like, at his house or something, don't you think?

[BottledJustice]

I would just like to point out one thing. Sephiroth can probably wield that sword because he is completely unlike anything anyone else has seen. Cloud says it best at Kalm.

"Sephiroth's strength is unreal. He is far stronger in reality than anything you might have heard about him."

Don't you think someone who happens to be invulnerable to everything be strong enough to wield a sword, no matter how large?

As for where he carries it, I don't think he sheathes it, personally. He probably walks around with it on his shoulder, angled behind his neck, you know?

[The_Silver_SOLDIER]

it could be attached to his side by a strap or something and all he has to do is unclip it and there you go

[Callahan]

thats what I said.

[xX.Silver.Wings.Xx]

Mebbe someone else draws it for him and he chops off their head afterwards....dunno..

[Yumyums]

I just wanted to offer a more simple explaination.

A) He has more than one sword. Cloud and every other person in the game cycles through different versions of their own weapons, why shouldn't Sephiroth?

B) If he has a sheath, it isnt based on a draw forward mechanic. Imagine it being more of a clam shell design. The sheath could be hinge in the middle with the side that falls down. Then it clicks closed. The force of drawing the weapon would be enough to free the door. But normal travel wouldnt unhinge it. Altough this is not in keeping with traditional ninja and samuri swords, it could work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/MikeCallahan/sword.jpg



I don't Know about Point A., but Iagree that point B. would be a very practical way.

[druinmaster]

still its so big I mean it must be extreamly cumbersome it would be impossible to travel with it thus its a demon blade it lives and stuff and becomes invisible and follows sepiroth everywhere and stuff or he uses materia to make it float and follow....

[Xalibar]

Does anyone manage to save the picture of that 'sephiroth sword' that was on sale on a site?

[Yumyums]

Does anyone manage to save the picture of that 'sephiroth sword' that was on sale on a site?

What picture? :confused:

[G SpOtZ]

You know what they say about long swords....




long sheaths.

[Skyblade]

Does anyone manage to save the picture of that 'sephiroth sword' that was on sale on a site?

What picture? :confused:

I think Xalibar is referring to the one shown in this (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69280&page=1) thread...

[Xalibar]

yeah, that was it, thanks

[=Angelus=]

LightSaber-style Masamune... now with real life whooshing sound!!

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[bipper]

I think the masumane is found in wutai in a shrine when it gets attacked by soldier. you know the big war cloud misses. and if you look cloud puts the buster sword on his back when casting magic so it must have a collar. same with seph but at the side

But they don't show us any such collar. Aeris' staff floats in front of her when she casts magic. It's magic, no explanation is required.

I always asumed that the black circle on clouds back was a giant magnent that held his sword there. It explains why he looks so pissed when he leans on metalic walls and drops his head.

Bipper

[Yoruhoshi]

I want a sword like sephiroths to hang on my bedroom wall. I could never lift something like that, lol.

[LeyliaFireHeart]

I just think the whole question kind of funny but my only dilemma is even if he used a regular sheath or just like a loop on his belt seriously your arm only goes so far when you pull it out you like stretch you arm out all the way pulling sword out and you've got like five feet left so you think crap now what I mean he'd either have to fling the sheath off fling the sword out of the sheath and catch it or if he just had a belt loop then cut the loop. so seriously there has to be another way

[Elly]

holy thread necromancy... this ones been dead for nearly 5 years... you may wanna start another thread as this one has been dead for a long time... *closes*