NykylaiHellray
09-05-2005, 10:13 AM
Yes I know there is another conection thread allready, though I am not keen on some of his ideas, and I thought I would present my theroy on a new thread instead.
THE FINAL FANTASY CONNECTION PROJECT
Based on the original theory made by Old Turk
WARNING: Contains major spoilers so please read at your own risk. Also please do not flame, this is merely a fan project ATTEMPTING to connect them.
No one is saying they are connected just speculating the mere possibility.
Please enjoy.
THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO HELPED: Old Turk,
WEBSITES THAT HELPED ME MAKE THIS POSSIBLE:
http://forums.adventchildren.net/
http://www.ffwa.org/
http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/findex.htm
http://www.eyesonff.com/
The Crystal and the other
The Crystal
The embodiment of the void
Whatever the crystal is, he is the other, he is the force that wants to consume and destroy. He will not be satisfied until the crystals work has been obliterated in every form possible.
Neo X Death
Necron
Based on what I saw in FF9, I am adapting the theory, which I read before (if you wrote this theory and I forgot to include you in the credits please tell me) which says that Necron in itself is apart of the Iifa Tree.
The theory states that Necron was not thrown in, but was a being which was bound to the tree. It maybe a creation of garland, or something in itself far older we do not know.
He was bound as a component to judge the souls of terra, and to ultimately destroy them.
The theory explain why Necron appears, it also explain why the tree finally dies in the final movie.
It also explains how the souls of gaia are destroyed and also why we hear screams of souls in the battle against necron.
This in itself is also a homage to FF5 of ExDeath and NeoExdeath, as Exdeath was trapped in a tree. Also in the qauballah it states that the tree if life has a component named DAATH which means void, and nothingness, so it would make sense to assume that Necon IS the Iifa Tree, but the spiritual part of it.
The physical manifestation does bring to mind FF7, which the green lifestream seems to be bubbling below, also the physical form seems remiscent of Jenovah, though this may only be a homage and not a connection. Though if it is a connection it could show that Garland found the Terror from the skies, and built the tree around it. Using it’s power as a way to make Gaia the new Terra.
Though this makes necron a far more confusing entity, in a physical existing form, it is the malformed alien we all know and love, though underneath, it is the hollow abyssal spectre known as necron.
The calamity from the skies
(Still under construction)
The Timeline
X – X-2 – FFTSW - CT - VIII - VII – FF:T – XII
Evidence – for X-2 - VII
Nojima: Yes, actually. After Shinra quit the Gullwings he got enormous financial backing from Rin and went to the Farplane to start extracting the Mako energy used by the Vegnagun. But the system for utilizing this energy could not be completed in his generation, so far in the future when space travel was possible, the Shinra Company was founded on another planet... or something like that. That would be a thousand years or so from this game's story.
Shinra: Aha...
Yuna: What are you looking at?
Shinra: Farplane data.
Shinra: The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there.
Yuna: Limitless energy?
Shinra: The life force that flows through our planet...I think.
Shinra: With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form.
Brother: Sweet!
Shinra: Of course, that'd take generations.
Brother: That's no fun!
Buddy: Well, still, it is something worth shooting for.
Yuna: Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work!
Yuna: Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!
Shinra: No doubt about it.
Yuna: Just imagine!
Yuna: But I'll never get to see it...will I...
*Shinra shaking his head meaning NO*
Brother: Shinra! Don't make Yuna sad!
Shinra: Right. My bad.
Rin: I firmly believe that machina are an indispensable part of Spira's development.
Rin: Even if there is another incident, I intend to conceal the evidence.
Yuna: You really think people will follow you that way?
Rin: I am not alone in my thinking.
Rin: We are researching ways to extract the vast energy that
Evidence for TSW – CT – VII
The ancient cizzilzation was said to have possessed space technology, also that a comet brought the terror from the skies.
TSW world has the space technology, also has the obvious life stream. The idea that the comet is Jenonah maybe a bit far fetched, but then again, when you look at it. Do we ever find out what killed that alien world, was it war, or something else. Maybe after TSW a new age of magic begins, though maybe a second comet comes bringing another thing from that long dead planet.
This is my weakest link so can be ignored.
Evidence – for CT – VIII
Queen Zeal, who wanted to become one with Lavos and become immortal, (sound familiar?) ended up imprisoned in space. Is she sorceress Adel?
Evidence – for VIII - VII
Nearly identical maps
The had a cizzilization that was named cetra or centra, which where both on the exact same place on the map.
Both wiped out by a calamity from the sky.
Centra where wiped out by lunar cry 100 years ago
Cetra where far much longer exstinct in FFVII
Means that VIII is before VII
Evidence – for VII – FF:T - XII
Apart from the obvious ability to get cloud, there is the piece of history that states prior there being a city of immense technology which was destroyed.
This shows that the tactics world is mearly VII’s world but a couple of 100 years in the future.
Being that the tactics world is Ivalice this in turn links in to XII.
Since there are the crystals in Ivalice in tactics, it maybe likely that the huge materia from VII may of manifested itself into a kinda reinvention of the crystal. Maybe created from the planets memory? Or maybe holy and meterors plus the lifestreams power could of mutated them?
If you want to create your own little Final Fantasy theory here is some points to considure
To make a final fantasy connection theroy one must not ignore these points
-anime "legend of crystals" must not be ignored as it is a direct sequel to 5
-the new anime MAY be ignored though if you can fit it in then thats great becuase the inclsion of doom train, and the fact our earth is considued a parrel universe
-secret of mana has moogles and should be included
-secret of evermore has just easter eggs so can be ignored
- Tactics cloud inclusion should not be ignored
-Magus sisters are a boss in 4, so it would make sense that 4 is before 10, as they would not be a summon before they were born.
-This aplies with gilgamesh to, as he has not even obtained the fake ragnarok till 5, and yet has it in 8, SO 5 IS BEFORE 8.
-If anyone remembers in the anime "legend of the crystals" the official direct sequel to FF5, there are two moons on that world.
Which ONE moon has a very 20th century style city on it, I do not know but that city really looks like the city of spirits within.
Also (someone confirm this) there are two moons in ff9, whether this is a connection or not is yet to be disussed.
- Gogo is in both FF5 and FF6, in FF6 as a fully playable character.
- Final fantasy 7 and 8 have nearly identical maps
-Final fantasy 10-2 and 7 have been linked, and officially confirmed
- Tactics is considured to be after 7, as there is mention of a city like midgar (though not been confirmed).
-Final fantasy 12's world is called Ivalice, which is the name of the world in tactics (to be confirmed)
-In FF7 AC the previously unamed world is now called Gaia, which is the name of FF9's world (link to be discussed)
- Crystals in FF8 As said by Vector: The crystal referrence in FF8 is not very clear. Very hard to find, but someone had brought it to my attention when the thread was first started, not sure who. When you defeat Krysta, you can see a crystal. The very presense of that monster denotes a crystal sighting, but no one can tell. Of course, it could very well be the many collectible crystals in the inventory. But there is one occurence of crystals that are completely visible as they start glowing. When you are at the Deep Sea Facility's basement and start the process to fight Ultima Weapon, the crystals in the cavern begin to glow, heralding the entrance of the one creature strong enough to contain Eden, which happens to be a holy reference. Eh, who knows?
As said by old turk: Crystals in VIII seem to have mutated into some sort of Weapon, a creature called Krysta. As when you defeat him a crytsal appears.
This post will be expanded as more information is gathered.
THE FINAL FANTASY CONNECTION PROJECT
Based on the original theory made by Old Turk
WARNING: Contains major spoilers so please read at your own risk. Also please do not flame, this is merely a fan project ATTEMPTING to connect them.
No one is saying they are connected just speculating the mere possibility.
Please enjoy.
THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO HELPED: Old Turk,
WEBSITES THAT HELPED ME MAKE THIS POSSIBLE:
http://forums.adventchildren.net/
http://www.ffwa.org/
http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/findex.htm
http://www.eyesonff.com/
The Crystal and the other
The Crystal
The embodiment of the void
Whatever the crystal is, he is the other, he is the force that wants to consume and destroy. He will not be satisfied until the crystals work has been obliterated in every form possible.
Neo X Death
Necron
Based on what I saw in FF9, I am adapting the theory, which I read before (if you wrote this theory and I forgot to include you in the credits please tell me) which says that Necron in itself is apart of the Iifa Tree.
The theory states that Necron was not thrown in, but was a being which was bound to the tree. It maybe a creation of garland, or something in itself far older we do not know.
He was bound as a component to judge the souls of terra, and to ultimately destroy them.
The theory explain why Necron appears, it also explain why the tree finally dies in the final movie.
It also explains how the souls of gaia are destroyed and also why we hear screams of souls in the battle against necron.
This in itself is also a homage to FF5 of ExDeath and NeoExdeath, as Exdeath was trapped in a tree. Also in the qauballah it states that the tree if life has a component named DAATH which means void, and nothingness, so it would make sense to assume that Necon IS the Iifa Tree, but the spiritual part of it.
The physical manifestation does bring to mind FF7, which the green lifestream seems to be bubbling below, also the physical form seems remiscent of Jenovah, though this may only be a homage and not a connection. Though if it is a connection it could show that Garland found the Terror from the skies, and built the tree around it. Using it’s power as a way to make Gaia the new Terra.
Though this makes necron a far more confusing entity, in a physical existing form, it is the malformed alien we all know and love, though underneath, it is the hollow abyssal spectre known as necron.
The calamity from the skies
(Still under construction)
The Timeline
X – X-2 – FFTSW - CT - VIII - VII – FF:T – XII
Evidence – for X-2 - VII
Nojima: Yes, actually. After Shinra quit the Gullwings he got enormous financial backing from Rin and went to the Farplane to start extracting the Mako energy used by the Vegnagun. But the system for utilizing this energy could not be completed in his generation, so far in the future when space travel was possible, the Shinra Company was founded on another planet... or something like that. That would be a thousand years or so from this game's story.
Shinra: Aha...
Yuna: What are you looking at?
Shinra: Farplane data.
Shinra: The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there.
Yuna: Limitless energy?
Shinra: The life force that flows through our planet...I think.
Shinra: With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form.
Brother: Sweet!
Shinra: Of course, that'd take generations.
Brother: That's no fun!
Buddy: Well, still, it is something worth shooting for.
Yuna: Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work!
Yuna: Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!
Shinra: No doubt about it.
Yuna: Just imagine!
Yuna: But I'll never get to see it...will I...
*Shinra shaking his head meaning NO*
Brother: Shinra! Don't make Yuna sad!
Shinra: Right. My bad.
Rin: I firmly believe that machina are an indispensable part of Spira's development.
Rin: Even if there is another incident, I intend to conceal the evidence.
Yuna: You really think people will follow you that way?
Rin: I am not alone in my thinking.
Rin: We are researching ways to extract the vast energy that
Evidence for TSW – CT – VII
The ancient cizzilzation was said to have possessed space technology, also that a comet brought the terror from the skies.
TSW world has the space technology, also has the obvious life stream. The idea that the comet is Jenonah maybe a bit far fetched, but then again, when you look at it. Do we ever find out what killed that alien world, was it war, or something else. Maybe after TSW a new age of magic begins, though maybe a second comet comes bringing another thing from that long dead planet.
This is my weakest link so can be ignored.
Evidence – for CT – VIII
Queen Zeal, who wanted to become one with Lavos and become immortal, (sound familiar?) ended up imprisoned in space. Is she sorceress Adel?
Evidence – for VIII - VII
Nearly identical maps
The had a cizzilization that was named cetra or centra, which where both on the exact same place on the map.
Both wiped out by a calamity from the sky.
Centra where wiped out by lunar cry 100 years ago
Cetra where far much longer exstinct in FFVII
Means that VIII is before VII
Evidence – for VII – FF:T - XII
Apart from the obvious ability to get cloud, there is the piece of history that states prior there being a city of immense technology which was destroyed.
This shows that the tactics world is mearly VII’s world but a couple of 100 years in the future.
Being that the tactics world is Ivalice this in turn links in to XII.
Since there are the crystals in Ivalice in tactics, it maybe likely that the huge materia from VII may of manifested itself into a kinda reinvention of the crystal. Maybe created from the planets memory? Or maybe holy and meterors plus the lifestreams power could of mutated them?
If you want to create your own little Final Fantasy theory here is some points to considure
To make a final fantasy connection theroy one must not ignore these points
-anime "legend of crystals" must not be ignored as it is a direct sequel to 5
-the new anime MAY be ignored though if you can fit it in then thats great becuase the inclsion of doom train, and the fact our earth is considued a parrel universe
-secret of mana has moogles and should be included
-secret of evermore has just easter eggs so can be ignored
- Tactics cloud inclusion should not be ignored
-Magus sisters are a boss in 4, so it would make sense that 4 is before 10, as they would not be a summon before they were born.
-This aplies with gilgamesh to, as he has not even obtained the fake ragnarok till 5, and yet has it in 8, SO 5 IS BEFORE 8.
-If anyone remembers in the anime "legend of the crystals" the official direct sequel to FF5, there are two moons on that world.
Which ONE moon has a very 20th century style city on it, I do not know but that city really looks like the city of spirits within.
Also (someone confirm this) there are two moons in ff9, whether this is a connection or not is yet to be disussed.
- Gogo is in both FF5 and FF6, in FF6 as a fully playable character.
- Final fantasy 7 and 8 have nearly identical maps
-Final fantasy 10-2 and 7 have been linked, and officially confirmed
- Tactics is considured to be after 7, as there is mention of a city like midgar (though not been confirmed).
-Final fantasy 12's world is called Ivalice, which is the name of the world in tactics (to be confirmed)
-In FF7 AC the previously unamed world is now called Gaia, which is the name of FF9's world (link to be discussed)
- Crystals in FF8 As said by Vector: The crystal referrence in FF8 is not very clear. Very hard to find, but someone had brought it to my attention when the thread was first started, not sure who. When you defeat Krysta, you can see a crystal. The very presense of that monster denotes a crystal sighting, but no one can tell. Of course, it could very well be the many collectible crystals in the inventory. But there is one occurence of crystals that are completely visible as they start glowing. When you are at the Deep Sea Facility's basement and start the process to fight Ultima Weapon, the crystals in the cavern begin to glow, heralding the entrance of the one creature strong enough to contain Eden, which happens to be a holy reference. Eh, who knows?
As said by old turk: Crystals in VIII seem to have mutated into some sort of Weapon, a creature called Krysta. As when you defeat him a crytsal appears.
This post will be expanded as more information is gathered.