Last Order: Final Fantasy VII [Archive] - Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums

DMKA

09-17-2005, 12:20 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/devilmaykickass/zzzzzzzzisteal9.jpg

Has anyone else seen it? It's a 25 minute OVA (Original Video Animation) of the reactor mission in Mount Nibel. It's being released on the Japanese Advent Children DVD but not on the US version sadly. I downloaded it and watched it, and it's quite awesome. I especially thought they did a good job of showing us the inbetween stuff that the game didn't necessarily show us...though I won't state what because that's probably the best treat of watching it. ;)

But yeah it's awesome.

Shoden

09-17-2005, 12:20 AM

It's made a good few mistakes I can say that.

Winter Nights

09-17-2005, 12:54 AM

Yeah, there are a few continuity errors with the game and even Advent Children. And aside from the fights, the extra bits aren't that compelling. I found it rather pointless, to be honest. Looks gorgeous though.

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

09-17-2005, 05:22 AM

Yeah, I don't like a mistake in continuity. Hmm, oh well. I have to get it anyway.

Hey, wait, are you sure only in the Japanese release?

DMKA

09-17-2005, 06:02 AM

Hey, wait, are you sure only in the Japanese release?
Positive. Infact, it's only being released in that special edition Japanese version that's like $200.

BackRoomKid

09-17-2005, 06:11 AM

^^^thanx for the message

i saw it, it was REALLY great

of course the continuity wasn't followed but i can see why, director just felt like he couldn't make it happen, oh well, i loved hearing the lines from the game

Winter Nights

09-17-2005, 11:12 AM

I CAN'T see why for some of it. A couple of major ones seemed random and really didn't make the story work in terms with the game or within itself.

TheAbominatrix

09-17-2005, 11:27 AM

I really disliked how they kept switching back and forth between times... from the Nibelheim incident to Zack and Cloud's escape and then back again. I really wish they'd have made it a straight shoot... and I wish even more that they'd given us a glimpse of what happened during their time in the basement.

What I did like most of all is the expansion of Zack... I really liked him during this, and am now rather sad that he died. He seemed like such a nice, open person. The fact that he cared so much for Cloud really said a lot for him. If he'd left Cloud behind to begin with, he'd probably have survived and made it to Midgar.

I do wish I could play Before Crisis to understand more about those other Turks... oh well, I'll just go read up on it now.

Winter Nights

09-17-2005, 11:29 AM

Yeah, I'll give points for the awesomeness of Zack.

Destai

09-17-2005, 11:39 AM

I think I'm downloading it right now on Limewire. I certainly hope I am. Its about 173.8 mb

Aw crap I think its just a long preview.

TheAbominatrix

09-17-2005, 11:44 AM

Well 173 is the right size, so that should be it.

Seriously though, invest the time in Bit Torrent, it's way less hassle.

Destai

09-17-2005, 11:47 AM

Bit torrent? Sorry even the names a little too technichal for me. What is it exactly? Im using limewire to download it but if theres any better suggestions I'd be glad to hear them. And hurray if this is the right size. This Last Order thing is my first expierience with the FFVII compilation and Im loving it so far.

Dreddz

09-17-2005, 11:56 AM

Only use limewire for songs, torrents are way better......

TheAbominatrix

09-17-2005, 11:57 AM

www.bittorrent.com, check out the faq there.

I personally use Bit Comet (a bit torrent program), and sites like mininova.org and isohunt.com.

Essentially you can get your movies/programs/whatever without having to worry about viruses and dummy files.

Dreddz

09-17-2005, 11:59 AM

yep, use
www.bitlord.com instead though :D

Shoden

09-17-2005, 01:20 PM

Bit lord takes up more HDD space though.

It's exactly the same as Bit comet

Destai

09-17-2005, 01:24 PM

Thanks for the link. The faq looks kinda big... I think I'll just download it and see what happens.

Winter Nights

09-17-2005, 02:30 PM

Hrm.. Upon second viewing, this time with subtitles, I noticed that alot of the added dialogue explains the changes. Only change that really bothers me is when Tifa wakes up and actually converses with Cloud for a few minutes, completely destroying the point that Tifa doesn't remember him being there. I'm sure they could try and explain it away with amnesia or some crap, but come on.. That was just sloppy.

So.. Not as bad as I had thought. Still wished they would have shown more of the mission, like before Sephy went nuts. Maybe expanded on Cloud trying to hide his identity from Tifa the whole mission, show more stuff between him and his mom, things like that. The thing looks great, but feels a little unfinished. It starts up in the middle of the story and doesn't even have an ending. I would have preferred them end on him meeting Tifa in Midgar.. Possibly show how he's blocked out Zack. As a short, I guess it works. Just feels like an unfinished project that they should have made it into a full anime movie all it's own.

I did like all the scenes with Tseng looking over the reports and having second thoughts. Though, it kinda seems off that the Turks were involved in the first place, as they don't seem to remember Cloud at all in the game. Especially Tseng, if he was really that broken up over it.

Destai

09-17-2005, 03:25 PM

I finished downloading it anyway. It was class. And I cant wait for the rest of the comilation of FFVII

Lon611

09-17-2005, 04:54 PM

i've been so focused on dling the 700meg version of AC that i totally forgot about LO. thanks for the reminder ;)

TurkSlayer

09-17-2005, 05:05 PM

I did like all the scenes with Tseng looking over the reports and having second thoughts. Though, it kinda seems off that the Turks were involved in the first place, as they don't seem to remember Cloud at all in the game. Especially Tseng, if he was really that broken up over it.

Yeah, but Tseng didn't meet with Cloud very often, as most of the time he was doing something slightly more critical (You know, like dying.) He could, however, have said something in the cave, but thats really the only time.

BTW, can someone give me a link to Last Order?

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

09-17-2005, 06:32 PM

To download it? Sorry, just download bittorent and figure it out.

I'd hate to do this, but since LO isn't coming out here, I guess I have to download it. Man, if a bunch of people are downloading it over here, Square might be making a mistake not releasing LO here.

Destai

09-17-2005, 06:36 PM

MecaKane

09-17-2005, 07:34 PM

The fansubbed version has been on Boxtorrents for two days and has already been downloaded 3778 times.

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

09-17-2005, 07:46 PM

oh no Square blew it.

KuRt

09-17-2005, 08:39 PM

Hmm neva heard of it. I do not care about the bad comments, better get downloady ^^

BackRoomKid

09-18-2005, 12:56 AM

it's just 25 minutes of coolness
you can't really make it longer, it's just repeating what we already know

one thing (someone else mentioned too) was to focus more on:
-what happened in the Shinra Mansion basement
-Expansion of Sephorith's "nicer" side

on the Tifa thing: yea, I kinda agree on the whole "lengthy" conversation. although one can speculate that she DID in fact suffer from minor amnesia cuz if you see, she's carried unconscience on "master's" (Zang, i believe) back after being rescued from Cloud....so there could have been possible memory loss.

one can speculate=me. lol

Nephiliam

09-18-2005, 02:30 AM

I downloadedit last night and watched it this morning. I thought it was awesome. :D I really do wish they would make more anime shows on FFVII, it would be neat to watch. It does have me wanting to play more FFVII. =/

I didn't really think anything was wrong with it, except that they mixed it up a little bit.. I think. =(

Akari Amano

09-18-2005, 07:33 AM

i think last order as great and what square tried to do was just to was just to link before crisis with ffvii more (as there's not much in common anyway).

i love having zack as a main chara there...you never get to know him that well. i agree on having more on cloud's childhood or his mother ...but i think that they really should have have something on the time cloud and zack were being used as hojo's guinea pigs.

chara designs were great (off course...nomura) as well as the music and the animation

Lon611

09-18-2005, 04:59 PM

i watched FFVII:LO yesterday,and thought it was amazing. i really love the music, both Tifa's Theme and that one song they play in the beginning when they switch to the Shin'Ra Building. can ne1 tell me who that is that is talking in the building and refering to the "incident" 5 years ago?

and the fight scene's were so bomb! :cool:

only bad part was that i had to remember from 190705265 years ago what was going on in FFVII to understand the plot.

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

09-18-2005, 07:29 PM

I found one w/ subtitles! I watched up to the title screen. I watch it later when I get to that part in FFVII and after I study some for college.

raskerino

09-18-2005, 11:35 PM

a couple innacuracies (alright a lot) but nothing that seriously hurt it, it was really well done, I like the feel they got for it with anime.

Strawberry_Mew

09-19-2005, 08:46 PM

I get to see it sometime 2-nite can't wait XD Love friends who download stuff XDXD

Wilder

09-23-2005, 02:20 AM

I saw It and I liked it even more than Advent children. It realy brings the game back to your memory , I don´t know why they don´t bother to launch a complete season of 12 episodes or something. Advent children was more like spectacular, like an action movie, but this was pure FF VII. I want a FFVII remake now. No more sequels ( I want one for FFVIII)

Winter Nights

09-23-2005, 03:12 AM

saintofniceness

09-23-2005, 03:26 AM

on the Tifa thing: yea, I kinda agree on the whole "lengthy" conversation. although one can speculate that she DID in fact suffer from minor amnesia cuz if you see, she's carried unconscience on "master's" (Zang, i believe) back after being rescued from Cloud....so there could have been possible memory loss.
It's possible.. But for her to block out only Cloud sounds a little off.

yea...cuz u gotta remember...prolly the one thing she members is seph goin crazy...and cloud savin her...*shrugs* for all she knows...thats all there was(if she got amnesia that is)

and i luved this movie AC was great too...but i just luved watchin zax kick butt

Meow

09-23-2005, 07:19 PM

arylonthedancer

09-23-2005, 11:39 PM

I just downloaded BitTorrent. Then proceeded to retrieve two Last Order files, one from isohunt, and one from a BitTorrent search. I'm saving the torrent files to my computer then running them. The downloader comes up but the files never start downloading. Does anyone have any ideas?

Tifa's Real Lover(really

09-24-2005, 01:19 AM

thtz the same prob i have =D!

krissy

09-24-2005, 02:32 AM

didn't like this as much as the in-game scenes

cloud20747

09-24-2005, 04:23 AM

I downloaded half of it from Limewire but the other half dissappeared.
The half I seen was great though...

Squall of SeeD

09-24-2005, 04:56 AM

Last Order, while set in the FF7 universe, isn't considered a part of the official FF7 continuity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilation_of_Final_Fantasy_VII); Last Order's inconsistencies take deference to the events of the FF7 Compilation, and its insights aren't necessarily accurate to the FF7 universe.

Think of it like an Elseworld that didn't try too hard.

...Meow, Last Order is very much part of the continuity. Hell, it was packaged with the Limited Edition boxset of Advent Children released in Japan, and Nomura even said months ago that he recommends watching Last Order before watching Advent Children. Further, it had the same core developers behind it that Advent Children had.

That article you linked to is on Wikipedia. That's not an official website. That's a site that anybody in the world can update/edit/change in some way.

Last Order is very much official.

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

09-24-2005, 06:11 AM

Yeah, that's what I like to see. Squall of Seed saying, "It's part of the continuity." Ok, it's decided, I'm gonna love both of these.

You're right about everyone can edit on wikipedia, SoS. But It's more accurrate than you think, but yeah, I always check official sites to make sure, however it's nice to have all pertinent info right there on one wiki page.

=Angelus=

09-24-2005, 12:55 PM

But how did cloud get to midgar after zack got shot?
:mad:

i vote for a whole anime leading to that point :D

Meow

09-27-2005, 11:28 PM

"Official" and "continuity" are two different things, champ. My point was that the minor differences between Last Order and FF7 are no grounds for gnashing of teeth, because ultimately, Square-Enix wouldn't have reason to defer to the events of a simple 25-minute OAV to alter minor - but, some say, techincally important - plot points like Tifa's knowledge of Cloud's presence in the reactor.

Plot enrichment, dramatic reinterpretation, altered continuity - we're talking apples and oranges here.

Anyway, to be on topic for a moment: Last Order = pretty nifty.

Russielloyd

10-02-2005, 02:26 AM

Well i think Tifa doesnt really forget what happened, sort of misplaced if you get what i mean.

Its like when you know a long word and you want to use that word but cant quite remember it, till you ask someone and they'll say it and your like "o yeah thats it" and same going for trying to remember someones face from tv, some one tells you and you remember instantly like you never forgot.

I think this is what happened to Tifa on ff7 when Cloud in Kalm tell his story about his last visit to Nibelheim. After he finishes, Tifa is unsure about what Cloud said, she knows somehow thats not what really happend but cant put her finger on what really did. If i remember correctly she thinks Cloud is not the real Cloud at some point. When they fall into the lifestream and she sees the truth, she instantly remembers.

Hopefully all that just made sense.

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

10-02-2005, 02:37 AM

No, I think she just kept it a secret. Given 5 years is a long time and they admit they have a hard time remembering stuff, but I think I would know how long since I've seen someone I've fallen in love with. Tifa didn't remember Cloud 5 years ago (remember flashback which occurs right after you lose control of Cloud, which is about their reunion shortly before the game) b/c he was too embarrassed to show himself. She remembered what happened 5 years ago, but wasn't aware that it was Cloud. So, when Cloud is telling about his memories 5 years ago, you can imagine her internal reaction: "wtf?"

Does Last Order break that continuity? I haven't seen it yet.

Russielloyd

10-02-2005, 03:27 AM

I remember the flashback, it was when they see eachother for the first time and she recruits him for avalanche. In saying that. i still think shes unsure because of the picture that was taken and other events but is convinced of Clouds story when he goes on about the trip on the way to Nibelheim and going to see if she was home, because she wasnt there to know if it was true or not so she believes it. From seeing Cloud for a short time from what really happened and what cloud said happened, all she knows for sure is that she saw cloud on that day. She practically clueless untill she pieces Clouds memories back together.

I need to play FF7 again to understand it better and we really need to play Crisis Core, I think thats the key to unlocking the whole story of Final Fantasy 7.

RaidenWeb17

10-04-2005, 02:37 AM

I downloaded it and watched it yesterday and really liked it. I dont usually go the anime stuff but this was pretty cool. Fight scenes are nothin compared to Advent Children, but totally different animation and other stuff. The only part that i didnt like was when Sephiroth jumped into the reactor instead of Cloud throwing him in it. Im pretty sure thats how Cloud did it in the game but i havent played it in a while so....whatever.

Please warn before posting spoilers. ~ Leeza

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

10-04-2005, 02:32 PM

Thank you for spoiling it for me!

In FFVII, yes, Cloud sort of throws him into the reactor core. He grabs onto the Masamune and pulls it out his shoulder, and basically throws him in with the Masamune. I don't know why Sephiroth let him get away with it. I guess he was in shock.

RaidenWeb17

10-04-2005, 11:28 PM

My bad about the spoiler. I thought if the game had been out a certain number of years you didnt have to put the spoiler tag thing. Sorry. How long has Last Order been out anyways?

Oh here is another thing.....
On The Way To A Smile — Novelization of the events that happened directly after Final Fantasy VII. Told in retrospective fashion 4 years after the end of Final Fantasy VII. It is story of a young boy named Denzel, who lived in the slums of Midgar.

kikimm

10-04-2005, 11:58 PM

Last Order has only been out for a few weeks if I'm not mistaken.

But anyways, yeah, I thought it was awesome, and I didn't really care about the "mistakes" in it, even if it was a bit confusing. It was enjoyable on its own, in a sense.

I also really want to have a look at that On The Way To A Smile. I hope it'll be good. I just need the time to sit down and read it.

Russielloyd

10-05-2005, 02:05 AM

Weimar Pluto Knight VII

10-05-2005, 03:46 AM

ffadventchildren has links in the news to the forums where you can get translations for some of them. The official site has the official Japanese.

FFGuevara

10-05-2005, 05:56 AM

I bought the Limited edition box. When it gets here i'll see it.

RaidenWeb17

10-05-2005, 01:55 PM

http://www.adventchildren.net/ff7ac/extra/prologue.php

Ceil

10-05-2005, 02:59 PM

Thanks for that, Raiden :) I hadn't yet read that, and so wanted to o/

Vyk

10-05-2005, 06:21 PM

I really don't think they were too concerned about continuity. Its 25 minutes long. If it were a full blown movie, or mini series, where they had time to explain things or something, they might have kept the Cloud and Tifa meeting out. I think they just threw their crap to the wind and threw that in there for sentimental reasons. Someone probably wanted an animated reuinion between the two. And since the anime wasn't going to depict the whole story up until they meet in Midgar, they did it that way. Though I'd be more likely to agree with Russie. There was no reason to remember the events specifically over the course of five years, because they didn't come into question until five years later. So it is possible she had forgotten a lot. Its also possible she was pretty out of it when she did see him, and when she woke up all she remembered was her seething hatred of Seph, SOLDIER, Shin-Ra and Zack. Or maybe she did think she saw Cloud, but there was no evidense to prove it, so she might have thought it was a dream and/or delusion and shrugged it off. It doesn't really matter to me. I liked that scene and I'm glad it was in there.

FFGuevara

10-07-2005, 03:27 AM

Just seen it, it was good. It had a couple of inaccuracies such as
Sephiroth jumping into the lifestream

Tifa's Real Lover(really

10-15-2005, 04:52 PM

does this thing have action? ill download it if it isnt some blah blah blah type of thing

Russielloyd

10-15-2005, 05:33 PM

Its prob about 20mins of action, 5 mins of talking mixed up through out it.

Tifa's Real Lover(really

10-15-2005, 05:34 PM

NICEEEEEEEEE *is gonna download soon*

Croyles

11-12-2005, 04:59 AM

its not really 20 minutes of action. 5 minutes of the film is credits, half of it is scenes we havnt seen, the other half scenes we HAVE seen, and within those two halfs there is probably about 10 minutes of action and 10 minutes of talking ^^

The Spirit of Aeris

11-28-2005, 03:04 PM

If you want to know where to get AC with Last Order, region free with English Subtitles for 25 Dollars then PM me. I'm getting it for Xmas that way.

Tifa's Real Lover(really

11-28-2005, 08:46 PM

yea theres alot of talkin 2

MysticD

12-02-2005, 01:59 AM

Sephiroth JUMPS into the Lifestream?????

OMG.
I'm dead.

Lady Selphie

12-21-2005, 03:00 PM

Fatihin_Malaysia_Girl

12-27-2005, 02:46 PM

I haven't seen Final Fantasy : Last Order yet!Please tell me where can I watch it movie trailer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DarkLord

01-10-2006, 03:35 PM

Must download... (drooling) damn you to Hades treacherus (...damn forgot the spelling again) computer, why do you forsake me at the critical point of downloading LO?

Soul of Tarsis

01-10-2006, 04:07 PM

I hated it. Sephiroth’s reunion with Jenova was always my favourite scene in FFVII (or indeed, the entire series) and I honestly believe that Last Order didn’t do it justice.

Meh, I never liked Zack anyway...

Setzer Gabianni

01-11-2006, 01:53 PM

I don't think I would personally get this. Just hearing about "certain things" like some spoilers posted, puts me off.

Might be interested in seeing an anime version of Sephiroth and learning about Zack, but inaccuracies annoy the hell out of me.

SoulTaker*

01-11-2006, 06:14 PM

I wouldnt extra money to see it, but I do think it was better than the games version, it was basically the same as the games except for few things which I think make the overall storyline better. You get to see how strong Zach really was which is cool it being anime with the bullet dodging and the pwning of countless shinra soldiers, and even with Zach being so strong Sephiroth basically owns him in their fight which was a pretty cool fight considering how fast Seph disposes of him. Most of the story is basically Zach carrying Clouds limp body around defending against SHinra soldiers and thr Turks, and again my favorite expression of the Final Fantasy series is given by Sephiroth, u know the surprised how the hell did this little blonde haired dude who wasnt fit to be in the same room with me keep kicking my ass, except this was the first time.

~SapphireStar~

01-20-2006, 12:42 AM

I havent seen it yet, but my AC boxset comes with the LO OVA included. So hopefully I'd have watched it by next week :D

Moonbeam

01-20-2006, 11:42 PM

Do you guys know any website that I can download it off of? Is it avalible in the US? I havn't seen yet...:mad2:

~SapphireStar~

01-23-2006, 01:20 AM

Just finished watching it and I was screaming at the screen cause I was so getting into it and then it ended! I seriously wouldnt mind a whole FF7 anime series, the animation flowed perfectly and was gorgeous :D Plus Zack and Reno are cute as anime characters :D

Fatal Impurity

01-23-2006, 01:50 PM

me wanna see! give me it! goddamn it!

RikWeaN

01-23-2006, 10:57 PM

It's nice to see some interesting discussions around here, rather than just "OMG I saw it, awesome" :)

The first time I saw it, well ... I was kinda disappointed.
First because it ended so abruplty, just like SapphireStar said.
Also because of some of the changes they made, like the way things occured at the end of the Cloud/Sephiroth confrontation.
But thinking back, I think I'm starting to understand the actual reasons behind these choices. Remember guys : Nomura worked on this one too, and he wrote FFVII's scenario at the first place (along with Sakaguchi, ok, but still). I can't help but thinking he somehow took the chances to fix eventual errors he might have done at the time.
I mean, maybe Sephiroth did want to end up down there : Afterall, he was severly wounded, and surely didn't want to end up in Hojo's hands. Maybe it was part of his plan all along. Think about it:)

As for Tifa ... I didn't consider the fact her dialogue with Cloud being longer as an inaccuracy. Is the dialogue actually longer anyway ?
The only difference is that Cloud actually answers, right ? Saying sorry for being so late or something like that. Tifa just says the same thing she did in the game.
I liked reading some of the theories about her forgetting the events or not. I'd personally go for no, she didn't forget. Just how could you forget something like that at the first place.
I think she remembered everything perfectly, but just couldn't bring herself to tell Cloud about it, because she was afraid of the consequences. Somehow she knew Cloud wasn't lying at Kalm, but she also knew what he was saying wasn't the truth ... she must have been clueless of what was going on, and afraid too.
Remember the encounter with Sephiroth at the Northern Cave ? While he's slowly making Cloud understand what really happened, he also frightens Tifa of revealing what she's hiding, which disturbs her.

Getting back on Last Order, I think it was pretty nice. Fulfilled its role perfectly, by both linking Before Crisis to FFVII storyline and introducing Crisis Core ... my best guess is they just kept Zack's death for Crisis Core, especially if the cut scenes are anime-like ;)