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Ace Protorney
10-03-2005, 08:48 PM
Alright. A&W has been getting a nice growth in activity. However, what's bothering me a bit is the increase of threads about signatures. I'm pretty sure they're just show-offs, but if Signature threads are to be allowed, shouldn't the forum's description be updated so that showcasing signatures is allowed?

Currently, the descriptions states the following: <i>This is where you may post your own drawings, or stories or poems which you have come up with. You may also post discussions on works of art and root beer here.</i>

And no where do I read "signatures and other computer created art" on that description. Of course, I don't think it would hurt to add something along that line if showcasing signatures are allowed. I don't have anything wrong with that, but going by the forum's description, there is nothing that says those threads are allowed. I also think they should be limited to one signature thread per member.

Oh and by the way, root beer owns you.

Destai
10-03-2005, 08:50 PM
I thought works of art did the job fine. Thats just me though.

Hawkeye
10-03-2005, 08:52 PM
Showing off sigs may be fine, but its probably the rate your sig threads that are not allowed

Ace Protorney
10-03-2005, 08:55 PM
Well, there are too many signature threads. Anyone can make signatures. I just don't think that one should create threads just for one signature. They're free to make threads to showcase signatures they had created, but making a thread for every "new" signature is a bit ridiculous. Thus, I think they should be limited to one per member, just to showcase every signature created.

Destai
10-03-2005, 09:01 PM
My new signature rocks by the way. First one I ever made myself.

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 09:02 PM
Some of the signatures people have made are pretty good, and certainly nothing I could do. These threads seem to be getting good response and don't appear to be interfering with the other topics in there, but I wouldn't be opposed to limiting them to one per member.

Ace Protorney
10-03-2005, 09:06 PM
I agree, I would just want to request a possible addition of showcasing signatures in the forum's description, and limiting one thread per member for showcasing signatures.

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 09:11 PM
I cannot change descriptions, but I will merge some of the multiple threads together.

Ace Protorney
10-03-2005, 09:20 PM
I'm aware that mods can't change forum descriptions, but I know one of the admins can do that.

Yamaneko
10-03-2005, 10:22 PM
They can, but they won't.

Chris
10-03-2005, 10:31 PM
I know a lot of this is my fault ( :D ), I just wanted to show off some of my sigs, but thanks to Del, my threads are merged. But isn't it a good thing that the A&W is increasing in activity? I mean, isn't it nice to see that it's catching up without spam threads?

Sorry to say this but I think that this complain thread is stupid, I wasn't spamming or anything... so I don't see the problem, really, come on guys, just as the A&W is getting more popular you moan and bitch about it... seriously, cut it out.

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 10:37 PM
Huh? Chirs, you seem like a good kid. Do you think that last paragraph was the best way to voice your concerns?

Leeza
10-03-2005, 10:41 PM
Some of the signatures people have made are pretty good, and certainly nothing I could do. These threads seem to be getting good response and don't appear to be interfering with the other topics in there, but I wouldn't be opposed to limiting them to one per member.
I agree with everything here, except for the part about <i>nothing I could do</i> because my signatures rawk. :)

One thread per person is as it should be, but I don't agree with changing the forum description because these signatures <b>are</b> <i>works of art</i>, but once you add in something about signatures then we will more than likely be inundated with those threads even more than we are now.

Chris
10-03-2005, 10:48 PM
Huh? Chirs, you seem like a good kid. Do you think that last paragraph was the best way to voice your concerns?
I am sorry but its just frustrating to hear that people actually are annoyed by something I've put my heart into. It's a little childish yes, but I can't help the way I feel. Lately I've felt that EoFF's rules are too strict, I don't feel I can fully enjoy my time here. Yes, there has to be rules and of course there has to be someone who makes sure that they're obayed, but when it all comes down to it, isn't EoFF a place where people come together to have fun?

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

:)

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 10:51 PM
You do know this is about the difference between having four threads for your work and having one, right? Either way it still gets posted. Or perhaps you are using this small issue to vent your harbored general frustrations? If you feel the rules here are too strict, you are free to either create a feedback thread to discuss the specifics of them in a rational manner, or leave. Be warned, though, the first option would most likely involve a lot of Raistlin.

Chris
10-03-2005, 10:55 PM
It just feels like there's a double-standard sometimes for example:

Someone asked why c_lout could have a bigger avatar than others and Leeza's response:


He's too lazy to fix his av for it to conform to the allowed standards. Besides, he's an Admin and can do pretty much what he wants.

It just doesn't seem fair, shouldn't the rules count for all, without any exceptions?

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 11:02 PM
They do for the most part. Someone having a bigger avatar is a pretty silly rule to nitpick about and if it really does bother you I suggest that you reevaluate your priorities. The major rules like no porn and no flaming do apply to everyone. Anyway, in this case there is no favortism going on. If Archie had six sig threads going at once I would have merged them all too.

Chris
10-03-2005, 11:04 PM
The avatar doesn't bother me, but still. Okay, I just needed some clarification on some things. :cool:

:upsidedow

Raistlin
10-03-2005, 11:10 PM
You do know this is about the difference between having four threads for your work and having one, right? Either way it still gets posted. Or perhaps you are using this small issue to vent your harbored general frustrations? If you feel the rules here are too strict, you are free to either create a feedback thread to discuss the specifics of them in a rational manner, or leave. Be warned, though, the first option would most likely involve a lot of Raistlin.
Depends on who is actually right and if I could annoy the side that's wrong by pointing out who's right. Sometimes (rarely) the Staff readily admits their errors, which takes all the fun out of it.

EDIT:
It just doesn't seem fair, shouldn't the rules count for all, without any exceptions?
The rules do apply to all. clout and the other admits merely have the ability to do whatever the hell they want because of their forum permissions. Just like anyone over 8 months or so can edit their own title, but newbies can't. Admins can change their avatar size, but others can't.

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 11:11 PM
Perhaps we shouldn't discuss it at all then, and just let you tell us who is and is not right?

Raistlin
10-03-2005, 11:13 PM
Perhaps we shouldn't discuss it at all then, and just let you tell us who is and is not right?
But that's no fun, either, because then I can't be annoying and disruptive.

Del Murder
10-03-2005, 11:15 PM
Of course. I readily admit my error.

ZeZipster
10-03-2005, 11:15 PM
I think all signature contest threads in which I lose should be closed.

I'm not at all biased.

Raistlin
10-03-2005, 11:15 PM
Damn you, Del.

Yamaneko
10-03-2005, 11:18 PM
Power is meant to be abused. We're just following thousands of years of precedent!

RSL
10-03-2005, 11:42 PM
Yeah, I really should get around to abusing my admin powers in some way.

eestlinc
10-04-2005, 02:01 AM
I get sad when all the art threads crowd out the poetry threads, and I wish for the days when they were separate forums, but alas.

Ace Protorney
10-04-2005, 02:58 AM
You know we tried that in the past eest.


I know a lot of this is my fault ( ), I just wanted to show off some of my sigs, but thanks to Del, my threads are merged. But isn't it a good thing that the A&W is increasing in activity? I mean, isn't it nice to see that it's catching up without spam threads?

I personally wasn't thinking about you. You grouped your signatures together in each thread you made based on the thread's theme. However, you made several threads, each with a new theme. I was more worried about those who created a new thread just to show off a newly made signature. Yes, while it does create activity for the forum, I don't think there should be more then one thread just for showcasing signatures.

eestlinc
10-04-2005, 03:00 AM
it was better when they were separate.

Ace Protorney
10-04-2005, 03:02 AM
I want to make a comment on Leeza's reply.


One thread per person is as it should be, but I don't agree with changing the forum description because these signatures <b>are</b> <i>works of art</i>, but once you add in something about signatures then we will more than likely be inundated with those threads even more than we are now.

Alright, I can understand that. Perhaps someone can update the guidelines thread limiting one signature showcase thread per member.

Raistlin
10-04-2005, 03:03 AM
Because everyone going into that forum reads the stickied threads/announcements first. Right, RSL?

Ace Protorney
10-04-2005, 03:08 AM
Quite unlikely, but mods can refer to it when they merge signature threads together. :p

Kawaii Ryűkishi
10-04-2005, 03:22 AM
Things that don't belong in the art forum<ul type="1"><li>Signature threads
<li>Crap poetry
<li>"This is my first time using Photoshop"</ul>

RSL
10-04-2005, 03:34 AM
Because everyone going into that forum reads the stickied threads/announcements first. Right, RSL?

of course.

eestlinc
10-04-2005, 03:56 AM
Things that don't belong in the art forum<ul type="1"><li>Signature threads
<li>Crap poetry
<li>"This is my first time using Photoshop"</ul>
POET'S CORNER!!!

Raistlin
10-04-2005, 04:01 AM
CRAP POETRY

eestlinc
10-04-2005, 04:04 AM
it makes mine look better.

Madonna
10-04-2005, 04:34 AM
And no where do I read "signatures and other computer created art"I am offended to read that you suggest that signatures and "computer created art" are related enough to lump them together.

omg created by computers that isnt real art

I'm sure using stock images to create something may not qualify as art in some cases, but there's a difference between [nyeh] (http://akusui.net/_lynxius/_ava-icon-sig/chocothief_sig.png) and [nyah] (http://akusui.net/_lynxius/_leech/eoffpost_fallzodiac.png) . I'll passingly mention that "computer created art" can be wholly [original] (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23397250/) and takes plenty of effort.* I do not see how it could be considered to be on the same level as a signature.


*total stranger; no clue who that person is. Just an example.

-N-
10-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Can I post computer music (http://www2.hmc.edu/%7Ealves/mus88.html), then?

Yamaneko
10-04-2005, 08:54 PM
Music created by computer software isn't real music.

eestlinc
10-04-2005, 08:55 PM
creating using computer software, or created by a computer programmed to write music?

-N-
10-04-2005, 09:04 PM
Music created by computer software isn't real music.Text created by computer software isn't real text. :rolleyes2

creating using computer software, or created by a computer programmed to write music?In either case, I believe a fair amount of original creativity is required. I've been creating instruments using Csound (www.csounds.com) for my class using different methods of synthesis. Doesn't that require creativity? I can use a MIDI sequencer to arrange my compositions. The compositional creative element is still there.

What Yamaneko probably intends to say is that a melodic line or a rhythm created by a computer using mathematical algorithms isn't creative. But then again, doesn't the programmer of the algorithm have to decide what codes to use? That's essentially all Csound is - mathematical formulation of music. How is that any different from the rules that Bach went by to write his fugues?

The only instance I can think of a person not getting credit for a computer-driven composition is a professor at UCSC, David Cope, who has created a database program to apply rules used by classical composers to an extensive collection of musical phrases to finish their unfinished works (he did one for Tchaikovsky, I think). The computer software was given credit for finishing the composition, and at first would not be played by symphonies for that reason.

[ / nerd ] :p

Madonna
10-04-2005, 09:28 PM
...I think Yams was being sarcastic.

Yamaneko
10-04-2005, 09:49 PM
Yes, especially since I greatly enjoy electronic music, and that my brother has been working on an album entirely based on soft synths for the past few years.

-N-
10-05-2005, 08:31 PM
...I think Yams was being sarcastic.

edit: WTF SOMEONE FOLLOWED UP ON PROTO'S GARBAGE

Ace Protorney
10-05-2005, 08:34 PM
WTF?

-N-
10-05-2005, 08:35 PM
WTF!

Ace Protorney
10-05-2005, 08:41 PM
OMGWTF!!

Edit: Seriously, what's with the name "Artist's Playground" and "Writer's Corner?"

How about "Artist's Studio" or something a little different from "Playground"?

black orb
10-05-2005, 09:29 PM
>>> "Artist's Splatterings" is even worse.. -_-
They should just name it "Art forum"

Madonna
10-05-2005, 09:30 PM
...A&W was just fine. Just ban Proto from it.

Miriel
10-05-2005, 10:10 PM
"Artist's Splatterings" is hideous. I want to hit whoever thought of the name with a very heavy metal object.

Rye
10-05-2005, 10:14 PM
I liked Artist's Playground better. Artist's Canvas would be nice too.

XxSephirothxX
10-05-2005, 10:32 PM
Well now we've gotta separate The Lounge out into different forums for movies, books, TV, sports, and heffalumps.

Psychotic
10-05-2005, 11:22 PM
What kind of horrible monster have you people created? And because Proto told you to? Oh geez.

Ace Protorney
10-06-2005, 01:19 AM
I didn't want the A&W forum to split. That was eest's idea!

Madonna
10-06-2005, 05:42 AM
This is totally a bad idea. I mean, it's clearly the product of a deranged mind. Staff guys, you really shouldn't listen to eest. Or Proto. They both have really horrible ideas. :|
<img src="http://www.akusui.net/_lynxius/a&w_badidea-01.jpg">

I mean, it's a really bad thing to break A&W.
<img src="http://www.akusui.net/_lynxius/a&w_badidea-02.jpg">

I mean, you could unleash hell. It'd break loose.
<img src="http://www.akusui.net/_lynxius/a&w_badidea-03.jpg">

Which brings me back to the deranged creation of someone's mind, Dark Yams.
<img src="http://www.akusui.net/_lynxius/a&w_badidea-04.jpg">

And if the portal to Hell is open, that means Jojo can actually manifest herself in this world.
<img src="http://www.akusui.net/_lynxius/a&w_badidea-05.jpg">

I'm sure that's all fine and well for the Hectics, but. Please, put A&W back together.

Yamaneko
10-06-2005, 05:45 AM
<img src="http://www.dailyyams.com/avatars/linkevil2.gif">

-N-
10-06-2005, 05:48 AM
Get a freaking job, Lynx. :p

Del Murder
10-06-2005, 05:48 AM
I once tangled with Dark Yams back in the Raistlin Ages. This will not end well.

Raistlin
10-06-2005, 05:58 AM
<img src="http://www.dailyyams.com/avatars/linkevil2.gif">
That guy is so not snuggly. :(

Masamuneˇ1600
10-06-2005, 06:01 AM
Don't worry. Dark Yams will just Dark not do anything.

Madonna
10-06-2005, 06:58 AM
Get a freaking job, Lynx. :pAre you kidding me? I let you off easy with the stills. I was going to animate it and decided I hadn't time to.

And I have a job. ;__;

Cruise Control
10-06-2005, 09:49 AM
POET'S CORNER!!!
CRAP POETRY
it makes mine look better.Greatest quote pyramid ever.

I saw A&W, and was all, why are we not discussing root-beer, but I get it now.

Psychotic
10-06-2005, 12:07 PM
I didn't want the A&W forum to split. That was eest's idea!He's just lost my Ciddies vote for Best CK and my electoral vote for Congressman.

eestlinc
10-06-2005, 06:13 PM
they should never have been merged in the first place.

and psy, I'm hurt. :seppuku:

Strider
10-06-2005, 09:16 PM
One thing I just noticed.

Perhaps you should split the guildelines thread so that the rules for each sub-forum appear. As it as now, it looks like the whole thing is just in the Art one.

Old Manus
10-06-2005, 09:53 PM
I have only viewed the A&W forum about twice during my time here and have never posted there. It's full of germs etc

eestlinc
10-06-2005, 09:55 PM
One thing I just noticed.

Perhaps you should split the guildelines thread so that the rules for each sub-forum appear. As it as now, it looks like the whole thing is just in the Art one.
I think someone is working on that.

edit: someone named eestlinc

Spatvark
10-07-2005, 01:21 AM
They were originally remerged (yup, REmerged: it used to be A&W, then seperate, then A&W again, and once more has been seperated) because the Writer's Corner was just plain dying out, with only crappy emo poetry getting posted, and not even a whole lot of that (but still too much). So, seperating them again is probably gonna kill the Writer's Corner in a few months time when the novelty of having their own forum dies out.

On the note about music, we need more Polo Ponies performances. Really.

Also, I protest at the complete and utter bias being shown here. The artists get an entire gallery and we writers only get a corner! And don't think you're fooling me, I know what you're up to! You called it the WC! It's the damn toilet you've stuck us in, isn't it!? DISCRIMINATION! INFIDELS!

Raistlin
10-07-2005, 01:27 AM
When you start writing actually decent stuff, maybe you'll be upgraded to an alcove.

Spatvark
10-07-2005, 01:28 AM
Pssh, I write better than you =P

Raistlin
10-07-2005, 01:33 AM
Then why do I have my own MB, and you're stuck in the corner? HAH, burned.

Leeza
10-07-2005, 01:35 AM
Good writing is not a requirement for having your own MB. :tongue:

Spat is a great writer. :cat:

Raistlin
10-07-2005, 01:38 AM
I know he is. I just had a great opportunity to mock him about the corner thing again. :p

Del Murder
10-07-2005, 02:47 AM
I would rather be a peasant in the corner of richeousness than the king of a gallery of fools.

Yamaneko
10-07-2005, 04:04 AM
What about a mason in a house of mud?

Calliope
10-07-2005, 04:16 AM
Yaaaaay! :D

eestlinc
10-07-2005, 04:33 AM
at her current rate Nicky will fill up quite a few corners. I'm working on something too.

Del Murder
10-07-2005, 05:06 AM
Are you calling her fat?

Yamaneko
10-07-2005, 05:10 AM
Give her a break, she's pregnant.

Del Murder
10-07-2005, 05:12 AM
:kitkat:

Spatvark
10-07-2005, 05:31 AM
:banana:

Strider
10-07-2005, 07:44 AM
I'll have my new story up soon. I'll be damned if my domain dies on me.

-N-
10-07-2005, 10:09 PM
Fresno has been pretty dead for a while, man.