Gradeus or Atma Weapon?

[Zell>Everything]

In the Colosseum it is possible to acquire the Gradeus- a pearl-elemental dirk, the type Locke and Shadow can use. Is it worth the Atma Weapon it is exchanged for? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I just did it on one save, and want to know whether to reload the other :D Come on ppl, it be 20 to 6 am and I want to carry on with the game!:P
Kupo!

[boys from the dwarf]

atma weapon is possibly the best sword in the game if you get up to high health so youd better keep atma weapon.

[Zell>Everything]

Gracias :D
Now to continue with the game...

[ThroneofDravaris]

NO! How could you even contemplate such a thing?!

[Christmas]

Atma Weapon for Gradeus......:kaocry:

[Ultima Shadow]

Isn't there another way to get the Gradeus anyways?

[Zell>Everything]

Yep and I just did it. So now I have both anyway.

[ThroneofDravaris]

Thank God. For a second there I thought you had done something infinitely stupid.

[Flying Mullet]

But now we can all sleep at night. :)

[Crossblades]

You should keep Atma Weapon, BUT you should turn Ragnarok into a sword and trade it for the Illumina, which IMO is the most powerful sword in the game

[Zell>Everything]

Surely that'd mean no Ultima?

[Xel]

well, you can get ultima another way, with crusader esper, but that include you kill the eight dragons,2 of them being in kefka tower...

Anyway, there is a way to get two atma weapon, since the first one is in pre-chaos esper cave, and the other is stolen on atma itself in kefka tower...

finally, why bother using a sword when you just need to boost someone's magic power and use devastating flare-quick-flare-flare-flare-flare combos with the gem box?

[ljkkjlcm9]

Actually, Crusader does not teach Ultima, but Merton, which some deam is better because it hit's your own people for fire element, which if they have the right equipment, will heal them.

Uncurse the curse shield and the Paladin Shield will teach Ultima, and I'd rather use Quick, then Cyan Swd Tech, some people may use quick then genji glove/offering, but I love watching Cyan laugh as no-one else can move and he slices away!

THE JACKEL

[Xel]

yeah, right, paladin shield, my mistake.

but merton IS kickass...

[Zell>Everything]

Ah, I'm curreently working on the paladin shield now. Who would have thought, a shield able to teach magic?

[Xel]

one of my pillows once taught me ice-2.... If a pillow can teach that, surely a shield can teach ultima.... anyway, you need to do about 250 battlesw while cursed-petrified-scared-berseked-bored-zombified-confused-stuffed before you start learning ultima...

paladin shield is good, but you dont need that to complete the game... i find it uselessly long to uncurse it. Sure, it make you absrorb so much elements that you can walk through the sun while gaining back hp, but unless you have an emulator with speedboost, they will find you dead in front of your tv before you can wear that damn pally shield...

[Jowy]

Ribbon + Cursed Shield only gives you the condemned status effect. I find it easiest to uncurse it on the Solitary Island, since everything there dies on it's own.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Ah, I'm curreently working on the paladin shield now. Who would have thought, a shield able to teach magic?
uhm actually fire shield teaches fire 2, ice shield teaches ice 2, and thunder shield teaches bolt 2
there are other weapons/shields/armor that teach magic too, just find an item in the list, and hit A, then hit A again to see more details!

It's also 255 battles, because if you notice, 255 is the max number for any stat in pretty much every FF game.....

THE JACKEL

[Crossblades]

Anyway, there is a way to get two atma weapon, since the first one is in pre-chaos esper cave, and the other is stolen on atma itself in kefka tower...


I didn't know you can get two Atma weapons:confused:

[Sasquatch]

I don't think the Paladin Shield is worth the 255 battles you have to fight with it, but it's your call. I usually go with the Ragnarok Magicite to get Ultima, instead of trading the Ragnarok sword for Illumina, which isn't as good as Atma Weapon anyway. But hey, to each his own.

EDIT: You should be smacked for even considering trading the Atma Weapon for the Gradeus.

[eestlinc]

yea, you can get a gradeus dagger in the cave to the ancient castle.

I think the force shield teaches shell or something.

[Christmas]

I didn't know you can get two Atma weapons:confused:

Actually, one is gotten in the cave and the other one is stolen from the last form of the final bosses before you fight Kefka himself.

Here a pic to make this clearly

http://www.ffonline.com/1_ff6en/final2.gif

[eestlinc]

how useful to steal a weapon from the second to last boss. at least you can steal a megalixer from Kefka, and that can actually be useful too.

[Christmas]

You can change your equipment to dual Atma Weapon with Genji Glove and Offering which will deal 9999*8 damage to Kefka killing him instantly in one turn.

EDIT:But you must have equipped the Genji Glove and Offering before the battle.

[tailz]

I don't think the Paladin Shield is worth the 255 battles you have to fight with it, but it's your call. I usually go with the Ragnarok Magicite to get Ultima, instead of trading the Ragnarok sword for Illumina, which isn't as good as Atma Weapon anyway. But hey, to each his own.

EDIT: You should be smacked for even considering trading the Atma Weapon for the Gradeus.

teh shield is worth it and the sword may not be as good as atma weapon but if you take the esper you only have 1 verry verry strong sword pick the ragnarock/illumina and you have 2 verry verry powerfull sowrds

i know there are more but these swords can be ecuipted by almost everyone who needs swords (terra/celes/locke*/shadow*/Edgar)

*can use daggers to

you can never ecuipe em all but now you can ecuipe (geeze forget how to spell it :P) 2 of em with great swords

[Sasquatch]

Shadow can't equip the Atma Weapon. I don't think Shadow can equip any swords.

And it's a matter of opinion whether or not the Paladin Shield is worth carrying around the Cursed Shield for so long. It's just an annoyance to me, I'm sure other people live by it. And I put higher value on avoiding the uncursing and having Metamorph than having to go through the uncursing as the only way to get Ultima.

[eestlinc]

I just put the Cursed Shield on one character with the ribbon and then go on with the game like normal. Sometimes boss fights are tougher that way, though.

[Captain Maxx Power]

Ah, I'm curreently working on the paladin shield now. Who would have thought, a shield able to teach magic?

Go play FF9, you'll have a coronary.

[Sasquatch]

Go play FF9, you'll have a coronary.

Heheheh.


I just put the Cursed Shield on one character with the ribbon and then go on with the game like normal. Sometimes boss fights are tougher that way, though.

True. But it's not really the hassle of wearing it, just wearing it for that long. If you wait to get 8 characters before you go through Pheonix Cave and get Locke, then you only have five characters left to get, and a couple sidequests, before you're prettymuch done and ready to take on Kefka. Wearing it really isn't a problem, it's having to find something to do to find the 255 battles you need. I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't fight 255 battles in the entire WoR.

[Flying Mullet]

I usually go get Mog after I first get the airship and get the Moogle Charm. Then I go do the Phoenix Cave, with Mog in one group with the Moogle Charm and Celes, Edgar, Sabin and Setzer in the other group. That way I can start on the shield early, or learn Ultima from the esper, depending upon how I feel like playing through. :)

[Crossblades]

I just put the Cursed Shield on one character with the ribbon and then go on with the game like normal. Sometimes boss fights are tougher that way, though.

Same here. But I spend most of my time in Tyrano Forest

[Nightmare X]

Regarding some previous posts: Technically, Illumina IS better than AtmaWeapon.

Sure, Atma ignores defenses and all that jazz, but due to the way it works, Atma will NEVER get a critical hit, and the depends on HP part is just a bad thing against it, since for most of the game Atma will be inflicting terrible damage, and I'm sure not everyone is bothered to get to LV99 just to see Atma inflict max damage.

Illumina, on the other hand, not only has a perfect hit rate and Bat.Pwr, but also greatly increases the evade (Useless, but oh well) and MBlock stat (This is good, mind you) AND gives you a boost of 7 to stamina, speed(?), MPower and Vigor (Making it's technical bat. pwr 269 due to the way Vigor works).

That aside, Illumina has the "Uses a measly ammount of MP to inflict an automatical critical hit" thing going on to it AND the random Pearl Castings.. but no only that! due to the way random castings work, if Illumina's attack was an automatical crit. hit (IE. You had 19+ MP when you attacked) Pearl will also get a critical hit (Despite the fact spells normally can't get critical hits).


In addition Illumina ignores back row (although so does Atma, but it was worth mentioning anyway)

[Peter_20]

Atma Weapon for Gradeus......:kaocry:

I liked Graedus a lot, Locke instantly started dealing 5000 DMG on LOW strength, which I think is pretty damn cool.

However, it still fades besides the Atma Weapon. :D

[Nightmare X]

Locke has much better options than Gradeus.

Valiant Knife, anyone?

[Peter_20]

Locke has much better options than Gradeus.

Valiant Knife, anyone?
Yes, sure, I just thought the Gradeus was pretty good when I first used it;
I mean, compared to the Wing Edge I had right before. :)

Graedus DOES belong to the best weapons, btw.

[Nightmare X]

Er, you get the ValiantKnife along with Locke in the WoR.

[Peter_20]

Er, you get the ValiantKnife along with Locke in the WoR.
Yeah, but back then, it's kinda worthless, since Locke relies too much on low HP at medium Vigor.

I always boost his Vigor to insanity before using the ValiantKnife.
Right now he's got 128 Vigor, and using the Atma Weapon and the ValiantKnife he kills *everything* by himself. :D

[Zell>Everything]

Meh, I just gave hm a paladin shield and that pearl-casting blade. Illumina.

[Nightmare X]

Illumina *Is* the best weapon in the game, but I see more use to it in any of the other 3 characters that can use them (Terra, Celes or Edgar).

[Memoria]

Well, the way that I see it...

Have Celes equip whatever relic it takes to use two weapons. K, now, give her the Atma Weapon and the Valiant Knife. Now no matter how much HP she has, she's got plenty of attack power. Cha! Well, ususally I give her an Enconomizer and a GemBox, but anyone who can use swords, I give them that mix...

[Nightmare X]

Celes can't equip the Valiantknife.

And I don't remember if Merit Award allowed you to equip it.

Anyway, that idea is better in Locke.

[Behemoth]

Illumina does have the highest stats in the game, technically making it the optimum weapon. HOWEVER... I found Atma Weapon hitting for maximum damage way before I got to level 99. Granted, it can never get a critical hit, but when it is already outputting the highest possible damage per swing, that doesn't really matter. The random pearl castings can be a problem in some cases- some enemies absorb it (although not many, only one I can think of is Pearl Dragon), some have a passive Rflect on them, and others actually cast Rflect on themselves. If given the option I'd rather have a weapon that has no spell proc (except maybe Ultima or Meteor) to make it more suitable to any situation.

Oh yeah, and there's no way in hell I would give up the Ragnarok magicite for the Ragnarok sword. All your characters having the Ultima spell > Illumina.

[Nightmare X]

^Paladin Shield is the way to go.

[Behemoth]

^Paladin Shield is the way to go.

Not for the lazy. :P
But I agree.

[Nightmare X]

Yeah, good point, I hate how it takes so frikking long to uncurse it.

I always end getting it, though.

[Vivi123]

If you play FF6 on the computer there is a program that can use all the ITEMS in the game.

[Flying Mullet]

It's called game genie, an emulator, or hacking the rom. :rolleyes2

[JFA_bobguy]

If I'm not mistaken, the same boss you can steal an Atma Weapon from, you can also steal a Ragnarok. Plus, Atma Weapon is far better than the Graedue. It still does the same damage when you have the Offering equipped where most weapon hits will do 1/2 their original damage. =D

And I contest that the Atma Weapon is the game's best weapon once you max out since it won't take any of your MP upon attacking, like the Illumina does.

[Mirage]

Anyway, there is a way to get two atma weapon, since the first one is in pre-chaos esper cave, and the other is stolen on atma itself in kefka tower...
Actually no, it's from one of the 3 statues. I don't remember which. I've only gotten Elixirs from Atma.
And Illumina is by far the best weapon in the game. Besides, Illumina, Paladin shield, force armour and beads = 105% evade and 117% mblock for Tina.
The cursed shield only took me about half an hour uncursing with my emu on fast forward. I guess it could be done in an hour without fast forwarding.

[Treize]

throw the altma weapon on the end boss kills him in one hit if not he now has almost 0 heath

[KoShiatar]

Isn't that just a legend? I don't think you can throw it...

[Treize]

thats how i beat the boss when i was testing if it was true and it is

[EL337]

where is this leading to? i thought it was about Atma weapon or Gradeus...