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GunbladeMaster

10-27-2005, 07:39 PM

didnt he want to see what would happen if an ancient and this newly found species he discovered combined in their powrs?

i found this:

President Shinra: How long will the research take?

Hojo: Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our life time.
Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter. That's why we're
thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that could withstand our
research for a long time.

Dinnova

10-27-2005, 08:45 PM

maby it was just a translation error

d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x

10-27-2005, 09:26 PM

do u think nanaki wud realy go for it? or wud he just maul her cos he hates her (as i do. i wud love to hav seen nanaki eat aeris! :D)

GunbladeMaster

10-27-2005, 09:30 PM

omg

Nanaki porn
he would do her doggy style
woof WOOOOOF

Dinnova

10-27-2005, 09:58 PM

do u think nanaki wud realy go for it? or wud he just maul her cos he hates her (as i do. i wud love to hav seen nanaki eat aeris! :D)
that that would be cool if he mauled her. If he went for it.... freeky
Does anyone no if he is in DC? I heard that all the characters but Nanaki have been confermed. has anyone heard otherwise? they beter not screw him out of this one like they prety much did in AC.

GunbladeMaster

10-27-2005, 10:04 PM

it would be kool to meet young kid nanaki

Dinnova

10-27-2005, 10:12 PM

it would be kool to meet young kid nanaki
SE would make it look cool. but in real life(if it happened) you prob get some messed up combination. Like in south park the episode "vote or die" with the Peta group.

TheAbominatrix

10-27-2005, 10:35 PM

well how do we know that Hojo wasnt gonna inject him sooner or later?

i want to see Advent Children :(

It doesnt matter if he was or wasnt. The issue is that he didnt.

?????

10-28-2005, 12:04 AM

he was gonna get Red XIII and Aeris to, breed

lol hentai

...you're not serious, are you? Because I completely missed that. Wow, Hojo is a sick f**k.

Dinnova

10-28-2005, 12:31 AM

lol hentai

...you're not serious, are you? Because I completely missed that. Wow, Hojo is a sick f**k.
is he... is he realy.

probably, or just insain

TurkSlayer

10-28-2005, 01:35 AM

maby it was just a translation error

No, there was no error. Hojo really intended to breed them. He not only wanted a subject he could study, he also wanted to created a new species. You have to understand, Hojo was totally nuts. He experimented on his wife and son, as well as Vincent and all the people who were drawn to reunion, and killed Gast because he was listening to a 2000 year old alien, as well as for the advancement of science. He was crazy.

Does anyone no if he is in DC? I heard that all the characters but Nanaki have been confermed. has anyone heard otherwise? they beter not screw him out of this one like they prety much did in AC.

Like I've said, he is the only one not confirmed. Well, the only character that was originally playable, anyway.

Dinnova

10-28-2005, 04:40 PM

No, there was no error. Hojo really intended to breed them. He not only wanted a subject he could study, he also wanted to created a new species. You have to understand, Hojo was totally nuts. He experimented on his wife and son, as well as Vincent and all the people who were drawn to reunion, and killed Gast because he was listening to a 2000 year old alien, as well as for the advancement of science. He was crazy.

Like I've said, he is the only one not confirmed. Well, the only character that was originally playable, anyway.
thx for clearing that up.

zo-sama

10-29-2005, 12:32 AM

Another piece of evidence that he wasnt injected with JENOVA is the fact that in Advent Children he isnt infected with Geostigma
Wait, does that mean all the children and Rufus were injected with JENOVA cells too? o_o;;; How did you find that out?

Holy_Aeris

10-29-2005, 01:20 AM

Hmmm i didn't expect my comment to turn into nanaki kil/porn

........

Lord Xehanort

10-29-2005, 01:38 AM

omg

Nanaki porn
he would do her doggy style
woof WOOOOOF

OMFGROFLMAOLOLPIESTDBBQHOBBITSEXPEEGEE!!!!!!!

But seriously, I'm not a scientist (but I am good at science), and I know that a canine and a biped can't breed. Bestiality doesn't result in hybrids...

But, I'm only partially insane... I guess there's hope for me yet...

Dinnova

10-29-2005, 01:45 AM

some times i question my own sanity. but i'm shure i'm allright. or at most partially

If your insain.. do u no your insain?

Lord Xehanort

10-29-2005, 01:49 AM

I knew I was having a nervous breakdown 6 years ago, and I've never felt sane since...

Dinnova

10-29-2005, 01:52 AM

if my keep my retarded job for another year.. I will go insain.

TurkSlayer

10-29-2005, 02:34 AM

OMFGROFLMAOLOLPIESTDBBQHOBBITSEXPEEGEE!!!!!!!

But seriously, I'm not a scientist (but I am good at science), and I know that a canine and a biped can't breed. Bestiality doesn't result in hybrids...

But, I'm only partially insane... I guess there's hope for me yet...

It may not be possible, but it was certainly Hojo's intention.

Masamune·1600

10-29-2005, 02:36 AM

Wait, does that mean all the children and Rufus were injected with JENOVA cells too? o_o;;; How did you find that out?

They weren't. In AC, individuals who came in contact with the Lifestream contracted Geostigma, as it had been "infected" when Sephiroth's body was blown apart. In Kazushige Nojima's novella On the Way to a Smile, which helps bridge FFVII and AC, Mrs. Levy (who had taken care of Denzel after his parents died when Shinra collapsed the plate) contracts Geostigma immediately upon coming into contact with the Lifestream, and dies soon thereafter. It seems to vary greatly, again as evidenced by On the Way to a Smile, as to how long it takes for Geostigma to actually manifest itself. In any case, the children and Rufus all presumably came into contact with the tainted Lifestream, and thus picked up Geostigma.

As to the matter of Red XIII, it's impossible to know what, if anything, Hojo actually did to him. Even Red himself doesn't know what Hojo did to him.

Red XIII: Cloud... I'm number 13. Am I going to go mad too?

Tifa: I don't know what Hojo did to you, but you've been all right so far,
right?

Red XIII: But...

Tifa: Be strong.

Red XIII: But, I...

Tifa: Stop it, Red XIII! Be strong!

However, seeing as Red exhibits none of the characteristics of one injected with JENOVA cells, and does not have "Mako eyes," it seems unlikely that Red was intended as a Sephiroth Clone (particularly since he isn't human, or even similar to a human), or even as a military project. It could be, also, that he didn't have time to do anything, although his insane attempt to breed Red and Aeris sort of suggests that Red was simply there to be used for whatever jumped into Hojo's mind.

Dinnova

10-29-2005, 02:42 AM

They weren't. In AC, individuals who came in contact with the Lifestream contracted Geostigma, as it had been "infected" when Sephiroth's body was blown apart. In Kazushige Nojima's novella On the Way to a Smile, which helps bridge FFVII and AC, Mrs. Levy (who had taken care of Denzel after his parents died when Shinra collapsed the plate) contracts Geostigma immediately upon coming into contact with the Lifestream, and dies soon thereafter. It seems to vary greatly, again as evidenced by On the Way to a Smile, as to how long it takes for Geostigma to actually manifest itself. In any case, the children and Rufus all presumably came into contact with the tainted Lifestream, and thus picked up Geostigma.
that kindof ruins the peacefullness of the lifestream

zo-sama

10-29-2005, 02:44 AM

They weren't. In AC, individuals who came in contact with the Lifestream contracted Geostigma, as it had been "infected" when Sephiroth's body was blown apart. In Kazushige Nojima's novella On the Way to a Smile, which helps bridge FFVII and AC, Mrs. Levy (who had taken care of Denzel after his parents died when Shinra collapsed the plate) contracts Geostigma immediately upon coming into contact with the Lifestream, and dies soon thereafter. It seems to vary greatly, again as evidenced by On the Way to a Smile, as to how long it takes for Geostigma to actually manifest itself. In any case, the children and Rufus all presumably came into contact with the tainted Lifestream, and thus picked up Geostigma.

Oh wow. o_o;; I haven't read that yet, no wonder. Thanks so much! ^^

The Summoner of Leviathan

10-30-2005, 11:52 PM

But seriously, I'm not a scientist (but I am good at science), and I know that a canine and a biped can't breed. Bestiality doesn't result in hybrids...

You are right cuz the genes would not work. Our genetics would be so much different from his. The number of chromosomes in the cell have an important factor when creating hybrids, I am not too sure how but I remember something about it. If Nanaki had about the same number of chromosomes as humans, maybe it would be possible...It been two years since I took a bio class, so I forget a bit about the genetics part...

Dinnova

10-31-2005, 01:47 AM

Nanaki is no normal canine though.

The Summoner of Leviathan

10-31-2005, 02:09 AM

That why meantioned if he had the same number of chromosomes as us, cuz I know a dog (canines, same family) doesn't...or I am pretty sure they don't.

Dinnova

10-31-2005, 02:21 AM

wut excatly defines how many cromosomes you have?
and sorry about the last post, obviously didnt understand u completely.
:Oo: soo tired

The Summoner of Leviathan

10-31-2005, 02:33 AM

I think the DNA, humans have 46 which are set into 23 pairs.

Neco Arc

10-31-2005, 01:38 PM

you do know that you guys are talking about a fictional character...

but any two similar species can breed together AND PRODUCE A VIABLE OFFSPRING if the offspring has an even number of chromosomes. An organism with an odd number of chromosomes would not produce offspring but it can still exist (look at a mule - you know a cross with a horse and an ass...hah hah ass.. hah hah...nah just kidding) - this is called aneuploidy. but if the offspring was to breed with another of the same type (either impossible or not yet proven in animals) by a means other than sexual reproduction the odd number would be multiplied by 2 and therefore making the new organism even number of chromosomes hence it can produce viable offspring - this is called polyploidy and happens in plants (wheat, rice, barley, and grass types are all mostly polyploidy) - too much biology i know but oh well

Sephitachi7

10-31-2005, 06:16 PM

If we really think about it, maybe Nanaki WAS injected but because of a different species he was not affected.

As for the AC comment if all characters that came in contact with Lifestream got Geostigma, how come Tifa, who was in the Lifestream with Cloud, didn't get Geostigma?

TheAbominatrix

10-31-2005, 07:00 PM

No, if we really think about it, there is no evidence whatsoever saying that Nanaki was injected with JENOVA cells. None. Speculating that it didnt effect him because of his species is just grasping at straws.

Sefie1999AD

10-31-2005, 07:43 PM

From Final Fantasy VII:

PRESIDENT SHINRA: "Hojo. How's the girl?"
HOJO: "As a specimen, she is inferior to her mother. I'm still in the process of comparing her to her mother, Ifalna, but for now the difference is 18%."
P. SHINRA: "How long will the research take?"
HOJO: "Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our lifetime. Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter."
HOJO: "That's why we're thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that would withstand our research for a long time."
P. SHINRA: "What about the Promised Land? Won't it hinder our plans?"
HOJO: "That's what I need to plan. The mother is strong... and yet has her weaknesses."
P. SHINRA: "That concludes our meeting."

Later in the game:

HOJO: "My precious specimen..." (Editor's note: Gollum, Gollum, Gollum... :p)
TIFA: "Precious specimen...? Is it going to be used for a biological experiment?"

Later:

HOJO: "That's right. I recommend you think things out logically before you make any rash moves. Now, bring in the Specimen!"
(Enter Aeris and Red XIII.)
AERIS: "Cloud, help!"
CLOUD: "What do you think you're doin'?"
HOJO: "Lending a helping hand to an endangered species... Both of them are on the brink of extinction... If I don't help, all these animals will disappear."
TIFA: "...animal? That's terrible! Aeris is a human being!"

I could have quite a perverted imagination, but I think Hojo just wanted to mate Aeris and Red XIII, just like how you can mate Chocoboes during Discs 2 and 3.

The Summoner of Leviathan

10-31-2005, 07:53 PM

Like TheAbominatrix said Advent Children proves that Nanaki is not injected with Jenova cells.

MJN SEIFER

10-31-2005, 08:03 PM

Yea Nanaki was one of his experiments. Rememeber he was gonna get Red XIII and Aeris to, breed i think??? ......

.

NO!!! He was simply going to use Nanaki to keep Areis in place.It's OBVIOUS how the Breeding programe was gonna be done...

Zell>Everything

10-31-2005, 08:04 PM

Stiltzkin was behind it all. Travelling round the world, even writing those fake letters! All an insidious plot to cover up the fact that he was blackmailing Hojo into such twisted things. Pity Hojo. He was at the mercy or a demented megalomaniacal moogle!
Kupo! ^_^

Cloud_omnislash_Strife

11-08-2005, 09:22 AM

Hojo is sick.

Sephitachi7

11-09-2005, 04:07 AM

Dinnova

11-09-2005, 04:44 AM

If Hojo tattoed a number on all experiments, and not only those that were injected with Jenova cells, then why was Aeris not tatooed with a number if she was also a specimen. And what exactly is the proof from Advent Children that he was not injected?
I think Aeris wasnt tattoed because she wasnt realy experimented on, or they didnt have time 2 do that yet. And i belive the prof that Nanaki from AC was that he didnt have geostigma

Sephitachi7

11-09-2005, 05:32 AM

but maybe he was not affected by Geostigma because he's not human.

TheAbominatrix

11-09-2005, 08:50 AM

Geostigma effects the cells, there's no reason why it wouldnt effect Red.

Grasping at straws by continually saying "Well, Red isnt human so it must have effected him differently" doesnt make sense. There's NO evidence that Red was injected with JENOVA cells.

Shoden

11-09-2005, 05:34 PM

Geostigma is contracted from contact with the lifestream and jenova ceel mixture, remember when meteor, holy and lifestream collided? maybessome jenova cells were scattred into the lifestream residue

TurkSlayer

11-10-2005, 02:48 AM

If Hojo tattoed a number on all experiments, and not only those that were injected with Jenova cells, then why was Aeris not tatooed with a number if she was also a specimen. And what exactly is the proof from Advent Children that he was not injected?

Think about how long he had Aeris in his custody. A few hours at best? I think he was a little more interested in finishing his experiment before any potential trouble arrived rather than spending time giving her a tatoo.

Proof would be that because Nanaki didn't get Geostigma, he didn't have Jenova cells in him. The fact that nothing called him to the Reunion is FFVII is also proof.

Sephitachi7

11-19-2005, 10:22 PM

Think about how long he had Aeris in his custody. A few hours at best? I think he was a little more interested in finishing his experiment before any potential trouble arrived rather than spending time giving her a tatoo.

Proof would be that because Nanaki didn't get Geostigma, he didn't have Jenova cells in him. The fact that nothing called him to the Reunion is FFVII is also proof.

You are implying that Hojo was expecting Aeris to be rescued and this is why he didn't label her with a tatoo, which is not the case. I believe that Hojo did not think that anyone could break into the Shin-ra building and was not expecting it. So I think he would have carried out the experiment on Aeris like a normal procedure, thus giving her a tatto to identify her. This was not the case meaning that the numbers were probably to identify Jenova Cell injected specimen.

The Summoner of Leviathan

11-20-2005, 12:27 AM

As for the AC comment if all characters that came in contact with Lifestream got Geostigma, how come Tifa, who was in the Lifestream with Cloud, didn't get Geostigma?

The Lifestream was only infected after Cloud killed Sephiroth at the end of FF VII. Tifa was in the stream before then, so she remained uninfected.

TurkSlayer

11-20-2005, 12:43 AM

You are implying that Hojo was expecting Aeris to be rescued and this is why he didn't label her with a tatoo, which is not the case. I believe that Hojo did not think that anyone could break into the Shin-ra building and was not expecting it. So I think he would have carried out the experiment on Aeris like a normal procedure, thus giving her a tatto to identify her.
True, but he still had much more interest in studying than giving her a tatoo. Besides, Cloud was implanted with jenova cells, yet he never recieved a tatoo because no one ever got around to it. (No, it isn't because he was a failed experiment. Read the notes in the ShinRa Mansion library to find out that he was actually sucessful.)

Sephitachi7

11-20-2005, 05:47 AM

True, but he still had much more interest in studying than giving her a tatoo. Besides, Cloud was implanted with jenova cells, yet he never recieved a tatoo because no one ever got around to it. (No, it isn't because he was a failed experiment. Read the notes in the ShinRa Mansion library to find out that he was actually sucessful.)

Hmm... true...