sub zero
11-02-2005, 02:57 PM
im not asking this is what squall of seed wrote on the topic of osma in a faq on gamefaqs.com
Part 16: What is Ozma?
The enigmatic Ozma's origins are one of the more prevailing mysteries of Final
Fantasy IX. The best we're offered in-game is that Ozma was residing in or
around an "Eidolon cave" (a rock formation on the Chocobo's Air Garden),
implying that the creature is an Eidolon of sorts. Why then does the creature
not bear a more definite form, instead being a ball of swirling energy?:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Ozma.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/OzmaGIF.gif
The answer lies in the origin of Eidolons, and why they bear forms at all. We
learn both of these things from the Eidolon Wall in Madain Sari:
(Written on the Eidolon Wall in Madain Sari, and accessible after performing
the small sidequest necessary to reveal all of the writing on the wall.)
-The Legend of Eidolons-
"We discovered eidolons by researching legends documented from around the
world. The Thunder God, Ramuh, is one of those legends. Some theorize that the
eidolons were created from the legends, and not the other way around."
-The First Eidolon Discovered, Shiva-
"Shiva took the form of a young girl when she was first discovered. She now
appears as a grown woman. Eidolons adapt their forms to the time and culture
in which they appear. Shiva illustrates this theory. In certain areas, Shiva
is depicted as a snow fairy. This cannot be verified, since the only written
document that remains is in the summoner village. People associate Shiva with
the snow fairy. Why she changes forms remains a mystery."
Eidolons are born of legends and the collective memories of people, and the
conceptualizations these people hold for Eidolons give them their forms. From
this we can infer that Ozma no longer has a form because those whose memories
and conceptualizations of Ozma gave him life are gone and that all those who
remembered his original form are gone.
While it's true that some beings knew of Ozma, such as the Yan of the
Friendly Monsters (after completing the side quest involving them by giving
the Friendly Yan a Diamond, it will say "Reach the round guy..." if you
haven't already defeated Ozma, or "Reach the round guy... Huh?! You already
beat him?!" if you have) and Hades (if you've already defeated Ozma before
fighting him, he will say "What? You defeated Ozma? ...I've come too far to
retreat now!"), and Regent Cid I of Lindblum (one of the Chocograph Pieces
left behind by him says "There...danger in the sky. If you dar...to face it,
use this rec...to find your way," suggesting that he knew of a "danger in the
sky" and was leaving a trail to find one's way to it), whether they knew of
him before or after he became a ball of swirling energy is unknown, though I
would hazard to guess that it was after, as the Friendly Yan knows of him as a
round being, and if either the Friendly Monsters or Hades had known of Ozma
in its original form it's possible that it would still retain that form.
While it may be suggested that Ozma was always such a ball, personally, I find
it unlikely -- upon examining the forms taken by other Eidolons, being in some
cases very detailed and intricate -- that when first conceptualized, Ozma had
the form that it is seen as having when fighting it.
Something else worthy of consideration in regard to Ozma is that the Brady
Games official strategy guide for Final Fantasy IX refers to the rock
formation that has to be accessed in order to bring Ozma forth as the "Eidolon
grave":
"The most terrifying enemy in the game is not the final Boss, but the creature
hidden at the Eidolon grave in Chocobo's Air Garden."
(For proof of this, we need only refer to the official US online strategy
guide for the game: http://www.square-enix-usa.com/strategy/FF9/
Once at the site, go to "Sidequests/Secrets," then to "More," and then to
"Ozma."
For further proof, refer to these screenshots from the guide itself:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/EidolonGrave.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/EidolonGrave2.jpg)
With this in mind, it would suggest that Ozma is "dead." Why then is he alive
and can be fought? Once created, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only
converted into other forms. Ozma's original form is gone, forgotten along with
all those who would have known his original form. We know that Eidolons don't
die in the traditional sense, as Bahamut was destroyed by Alexander, yet can
still be summoned thereafter (just as Espers can die in Final Fantasy VI, but
then be summoned through their Magicite). Bahamut, however, was remembered,
and retained his form, whereas this was not the case with Ozma.
While this provides us with an explanation of Ozma's origin, it leaves the
question of why Ozma is so much more powerful than other Eidolons in the game
(with the possible exception of Alexander, the full extent of his power,
perhaps, not being fully displayed), which may be answered by the fact that
he was simply THAT powerful, just as Alexander's power completely dwarfed
Bahamut's.
It could perhaps be argued that Ozma was the collective energies of all
forgotten ("dead") Eidolons that had existed, but that's a more difficult
theory to draw in-game support for. The matter of memory affecting the forms
taken by Eidolons can be proven at least.
In summary, Ozma is a forgotten/"dead" Eidolon that was -- for whatever reason
-- residing within that rock formation on the Chocobo's Air Garden.
in an nut shell osma is a dead/forgotton Eidolon
IF any one wanna argue fine with me just get some proof of your theroy plz
Part 16: What is Ozma?
The enigmatic Ozma's origins are one of the more prevailing mysteries of Final
Fantasy IX. The best we're offered in-game is that Ozma was residing in or
around an "Eidolon cave" (a rock formation on the Chocobo's Air Garden),
implying that the creature is an Eidolon of sorts. Why then does the creature
not bear a more definite form, instead being a ball of swirling energy?:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Ozma.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/OzmaGIF.gif
The answer lies in the origin of Eidolons, and why they bear forms at all. We
learn both of these things from the Eidolon Wall in Madain Sari:
(Written on the Eidolon Wall in Madain Sari, and accessible after performing
the small sidequest necessary to reveal all of the writing on the wall.)
-The Legend of Eidolons-
"We discovered eidolons by researching legends documented from around the
world. The Thunder God, Ramuh, is one of those legends. Some theorize that the
eidolons were created from the legends, and not the other way around."
-The First Eidolon Discovered, Shiva-
"Shiva took the form of a young girl when she was first discovered. She now
appears as a grown woman. Eidolons adapt their forms to the time and culture
in which they appear. Shiva illustrates this theory. In certain areas, Shiva
is depicted as a snow fairy. This cannot be verified, since the only written
document that remains is in the summoner village. People associate Shiva with
the snow fairy. Why she changes forms remains a mystery."
Eidolons are born of legends and the collective memories of people, and the
conceptualizations these people hold for Eidolons give them their forms. From
this we can infer that Ozma no longer has a form because those whose memories
and conceptualizations of Ozma gave him life are gone and that all those who
remembered his original form are gone.
While it's true that some beings knew of Ozma, such as the Yan of the
Friendly Monsters (after completing the side quest involving them by giving
the Friendly Yan a Diamond, it will say "Reach the round guy..." if you
haven't already defeated Ozma, or "Reach the round guy... Huh?! You already
beat him?!" if you have) and Hades (if you've already defeated Ozma before
fighting him, he will say "What? You defeated Ozma? ...I've come too far to
retreat now!"), and Regent Cid I of Lindblum (one of the Chocograph Pieces
left behind by him says "There...danger in the sky. If you dar...to face it,
use this rec...to find your way," suggesting that he knew of a "danger in the
sky" and was leaving a trail to find one's way to it), whether they knew of
him before or after he became a ball of swirling energy is unknown, though I
would hazard to guess that it was after, as the Friendly Yan knows of him as a
round being, and if either the Friendly Monsters or Hades had known of Ozma
in its original form it's possible that it would still retain that form.
While it may be suggested that Ozma was always such a ball, personally, I find
it unlikely -- upon examining the forms taken by other Eidolons, being in some
cases very detailed and intricate -- that when first conceptualized, Ozma had
the form that it is seen as having when fighting it.
Something else worthy of consideration in regard to Ozma is that the Brady
Games official strategy guide for Final Fantasy IX refers to the rock
formation that has to be accessed in order to bring Ozma forth as the "Eidolon
grave":
"The most terrifying enemy in the game is not the final Boss, but the creature
hidden at the Eidolon grave in Chocobo's Air Garden."
(For proof of this, we need only refer to the official US online strategy
guide for the game: http://www.square-enix-usa.com/strategy/FF9/
Once at the site, go to "Sidequests/Secrets," then to "More," and then to
"Ozma."
For further proof, refer to these screenshots from the guide itself:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/EidolonGrave.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/EidolonGrave2.jpg)
With this in mind, it would suggest that Ozma is "dead." Why then is he alive
and can be fought? Once created, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only
converted into other forms. Ozma's original form is gone, forgotten along with
all those who would have known his original form. We know that Eidolons don't
die in the traditional sense, as Bahamut was destroyed by Alexander, yet can
still be summoned thereafter (just as Espers can die in Final Fantasy VI, but
then be summoned through their Magicite). Bahamut, however, was remembered,
and retained his form, whereas this was not the case with Ozma.
While this provides us with an explanation of Ozma's origin, it leaves the
question of why Ozma is so much more powerful than other Eidolons in the game
(with the possible exception of Alexander, the full extent of his power,
perhaps, not being fully displayed), which may be answered by the fact that
he was simply THAT powerful, just as Alexander's power completely dwarfed
Bahamut's.
It could perhaps be argued that Ozma was the collective energies of all
forgotten ("dead") Eidolons that had existed, but that's a more difficult
theory to draw in-game support for. The matter of memory affecting the forms
taken by Eidolons can be proven at least.
In summary, Ozma is a forgotten/"dead" Eidolon that was -- for whatever reason
-- residing within that rock formation on the Chocobo's Air Garden.
in an nut shell osma is a dead/forgotton Eidolon
IF any one wanna argue fine with me just get some proof of your theroy plz