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Mister Adequate
11-06-2005, 08:06 AM
So, earlier I posted a quote in my sig as well as the current image. Being as it was all too big, I was told to smallify it. Fair enough, rules is rules and I can appreciate why they're there. But couldn't whoever it was have been polite about it? A please would have gone a long way... especially because editing my sig up caused me to copy-paste something, overwriting a previous copy which I had spent an hour typing up (I know I should have saved, it was my own fool fault, but it would have helped my mood is all. :P).

And yeah, like, I've seen that a lot. Just an abrupt statement that the rules were broken. It like everyone born with gigantic stick up their bum! I mean I know dealing with Rye and Bipper must be trying for the patience, but I think it'd be nicer if y'all were polite when you smacked eejits about the head.

Shlup
11-06-2005, 08:08 AM
I don't think they were born with a gigantic stick up their bum; it was shoved there by members repeatedly not reading the rules and them having to fix them daily.

I agree that they, overall, could be less abrupt and more explainatory in their enforcing of such and such though.

Mister Adequate
11-06-2005, 08:18 AM
Eh, that was more of a flippant comment than a serious accusation. I've been a mod, I have at least some experience of how trying it can be. But your second sentence rather eloquently elaborates on what I'm driving at here. Sometimes people get in trouble without even knowing why. I think it'd be wiser to actually tell people exactly what they did to get ban X or whatever. And it would help those of us who do respect the rules (Even if we disagree with some.) to get along better if we get a polite note saying we messed up (Because we'll put our hands up, admit to the mistake, apologise, and move on.), instead of just a solid, stony declaration (Where we're more likely to get affronted by it, or at least confused.). Like a Moai, only without the awesomeness. (Except when it's eest, then it's still great.)

Ok, I'll go to bed now, I'm rambling and it won't be long before it turns into spams.

Del Murder
11-06-2005, 08:39 AM
I didn't delete your sig, I commented it out using HTML. All your content should have still been there when you went to edit it again. Sorry if it wasn't.

I usually say please but when it comes to sig edits I just put the reason and comment out the sig. Sometimes when certain rules get repeatedly broken we start to get irritated and forget to be polite. I hope people can understand that.

Whenever I send a pm warning I always end it with 'Have a nice day. :)', to remind people that getting in trouble here isn't the end of the world. It's quite easy to enjoy this message board without breaking rules or getting too upset about what goes on here.

Miriel
11-06-2005, 08:42 AM
I mean I know dealing with Rye and Bipper must be trying for the patience, but I think it'd be nicer if y'all were polite when you smacked eejits about the head.

Nice hypocrisy you've got going on there.

Yamaneko
11-06-2005, 08:47 AM
Why should I say "please" if I don't mean it? I don't hold anything against anyone else here and I surely don't have any personal strife when doing my job as a moderator. But I also don't go around saying please if I don't really mean it.

Del Murder
11-06-2005, 09:00 AM
What does it mean to mean 'please'?

theundeadhero
11-06-2005, 09:42 AM
I personaly enjoy the abruptness, and believe me when I say it's been used on me more than once. To me it's one of the cool things about this place.

I wish Bleys were here to comment in this thread :(

Psychotic
11-06-2005, 01:17 PM
I haven't been abrupted (it's a new verb because I say it's a new verb) on by the staff for a long time and now a part of me feels empty. Better get my staff trolling boots on.

MecaKane
11-06-2005, 03:57 PM
The staff are too polite as it is, giving everyone a million and one chances and all that. Oh the shame of it all. :cry:

Shoeberto
11-06-2005, 04:35 PM
I haven't been abrupted (it's a new verb because I say it's a new verb) on by the staff for a long time and now a part of me feels empty. Better get my staff trolling boots on.
USER NOTE BAN FOR UNPRODUCTIVE FEEDBACK FORUM POST.

Sometimes we may not be nice enough in delivering our messages, but with stuff like sig limits - where the limits are flashed in your face every time you go to change it, and we always tell people to read them, but we still have people not pay attention to them - it gets easy to lose patience.

Raistlin
11-06-2005, 04:46 PM
I didn't delete your sig, I commented it out using HTML. All your content should have still been there when you went to edit it again. Sorry if it wasn't.

That seems to me like a good way to go.

I honestly couldn't care less about the mods being nice, as long as they aren't incredibly rude about it. Editting out the sig with HTML instead of deleting it seems pretty nice to me, though.

escobert
11-06-2005, 04:50 PM
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Mister Adequate
11-06-2005, 05:55 PM
Sorry Del, it was still there, but I was messing with it to change it. My mistake in wording up there. And I can understand that you'd get irritated, it's fair enough. I dunno, I guess I've been on forums much more lax than this. Here on EoFF, the rules are actually enforced. :eek: It's a shock.

Anyways, I didn't mean to come off as overreacting, but it was like 2am and I was still ticked at having lost the hour of typing. So, sorry. Though my point stands, I probably sounded like a whiny bitch. xD

Yams: You don't have to mean it. It's like the way people who work as store clerks are encouraged to smile. They don't mean it, hell they work at Wal*Mart, you think they're happy? But it makes the customer feel better, and makse everyone's day brighter, instead of the English method where you can be as gruff and curt as you want to, and everyone is. It's just nicer, even if it's false.

Hsu: I can appreciate that, but I don't think many people actually check anything other than the box your sig goes into, and the 'submit' button or whatever it is, when they edit their sig. See, obviously I'm going to be more careful in future with my sig, but I'm now likely to think 'Bah, silly staffers don't let me have fun' instead of 'Bah, I do so wish the computer screens of others were larger' or something equally... yeah... ok, this is just getting silly now. I'll stop.

(I wish Bleys were here to comment on every thread. :cry:)

rubah
11-06-2005, 07:20 PM
There's a difference though. The people in Wal*Mart leave after you bag their purchases. You guys stick around for HOURS ;)

I usually don't add a please when I edit a signature (unlike Del, I delete the entire thing, so they don't just remove the comments and still have a rule-breaking sig. The effort involved in recreating it gives them time to think about the limits.). And while I've never gotten a ticket, I doubt police officers say 'please pay this fine' when they write you up:)

Besides, we *can't* let you have fun with sigs; leeza will tie us up and do unspeakable things if we don't be gruff with you all ;_;;;;

Leeza
11-06-2005, 07:39 PM
I always comment out a sig because I appreciate the fact that some of them are quite elaborate and people have gone to a lot of effort to make some of them. Commenting out saves them some time when they have to edit and it doesn't take any extra effort on my part to do so. However, if a sig is over the filesize limit I will just delete it without the commenting out part.

I do not say please when I edit sigs. After you have done so many edits (many times to the same member), it ends up being very routine and everyone gets a generic message from me as to the reason for the edit. I can understand new members not knowing the restrictions and some of them will get a PM from me with explanations. For these members I do say please. Other members who have been here for any length of time should know the limits and not be upset when they are reminded of them.

Del Murder
11-06-2005, 08:56 PM
If a person takes away the comment tags and uses the rule breaking sig again, we can just take away their sig privileges. That's how I see it, anyway. It's actually beneficial in that it easily identifies the members stupid enough to do something like that. That's always good information to have.

Shlup
11-06-2005, 10:15 PM
I meant mostly when closing threads, myself, but I don't see it as a big issue either way. My main annoyance right now is one or two people getting threads closed that I'm enjoying, rather than their posts being deleted or the thread being split. That in itself it a bit more work than should be required though so even that I'm not too fussed about.

Del Murder
11-06-2005, 11:22 PM
We could just ban those people, that wouldn't take much work at all.

Shlup
11-06-2005, 11:35 PM
That would be my first choice, but then you'd have to admin me again.

Yamaneko
11-07-2005, 12:22 AM
Yams: You don't have to mean it. It's like the way people who work as store clerks are encouraged to smile. They don't mean it, hell they work at Wal*Mart, you think they're happy? But it makes the customer feel better, and makse everyone's day brighter, instead of the English method where you can be as gruff and curt as you want to, and everyone is. It's just nicer, even if it's false.
Well, I appreciate you bringing this up. I thank you.

RSL
11-07-2005, 01:17 AM
The thing about deleted posts is that you probably don't have any idea when we are doing it. I actually delete a lot of posts. But sometimes a thread is beyond repair, or got off on the wrong foot from the very start. In these cases, it's usually quicker and much more painless to just kill them. I'm sorry if a thread you enjoyed was closed.

I took a screenshot of this sort of thing once upon a time:
<img src="http://www.carrotmaster.com/images/crash.png">

MecaKane
11-07-2005, 02:13 AM
Reason: <i>ugh.</i> :love:

Hopefully the threads that aren't spam threads with post-it topics stuck on aren't that full of deleted posts. :eek:

Destai
11-07-2005, 02:19 AM
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I took a screenshot of this sort of thing once upon a time:
<img src="http://www.carrotmaster.com/images/crash.png">I miss JoJo ;>o<; :_::crying2:-->*snip*

This is a post that would have been deleted because it really has nothing to do with the thread topic. ~ Leeza

Meat Puppet
11-07-2005, 02:24 AM
It'd be cool if when my posts got deleted I could see them like that, too. Because I don't know when my posts get deleted. Then I go into a thread and I say "I'm sure I posted here!" but I can't find it, then I try to find my name on the page and it's only got the one in the top right corner of the page saying I'm logged in and then my head starts hurting and I begin to panic, like, maybe I've been sucked into some horrible dimension or maybe I have brain cancer and I start crying and get so lonely and kirobaito isn't always around to save the day. :(

Psychotic
11-07-2005, 02:36 AM
MP has a point. Whenever my posts get deleted I wonder whether or not I actually posted them or was simply imagining it, and I am usually tempted to repost them. Also I feel his point about being sucked into a horrible dimension is a valid one.

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 02:40 AM
The staff are too polite as it is, giving everyone a million and one chances and all that. Oh the shame of it all. :cry:
This post made me smile.

Shlup
11-07-2005, 03:09 AM
I actually thought about this the other day, and now am remembering it again. At the other forums I go to, members can see deleted posts. Not that posts themselves, but that they're there. It's a good example of what kind of things will get deleted for members, and gives the staff there more credit.

Do it.

Shoeberto
11-07-2005, 03:12 AM
Write us a VB hack for it and we'll consider it.

And it has to be written by you. In blood. And notorized...twice. Then send it to our head office along with a $100 entry fee.

MecaKane
11-07-2005, 03:20 AM
Isn't there some sort of permission you can set like with the crazy usernote and forum bans and crap like that!

Shoeberto
11-07-2005, 03:22 AM
Probably.



It's more fun my way.

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 03:25 AM
but then we can't write nasty comments in the deletions.

Shlup
11-07-2005, 03:27 AM
It shouldn't need a hack. Every other vB I visit has it so regular members can see deleted posts. Find the option, lazy!
but then we can't write nasty comments in the deletions.
That was certainly on my list of cons, but you still have the WML.

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 03:36 AM
we should set it up so every time a post is deleted, that member receives an automatic email telling them a post was deleted and that they suck!

RSL
11-07-2005, 03:59 AM
Yeah I like eest's idea better. No need for everyone in the world to see the deleted posts.

crono_logical
11-07-2005, 04:05 AM
If users are allowed to see deletion notices, which can be done, I'd rather they only be allowed to see the ones for threads/posts which they'd posted themselves, not everyones, which I can't see a way of doing at the moment, and I don't feel like writing a plugin for that at the moment :p

Shlup
11-07-2005, 04:21 AM
Yeah I like eest's idea better. No need for everyone in the world to see the deleted posts.
"No need" is not a reason to not do something. There are pros, and there are cons, and "no need" doesn't fit into either of those.

I greatly prefer to be able to see that posts have been deleted than not, and since staff members have no perspective on the topic it'd be nice if you'd consider it if more members expressed a want for it, rather than dismissing it so quickly. I realize this is an oligarchy, but just because it's what the staff prefers over the members doesn't always make it the best decision.

So suck it! Especially eest and his turkey sucking face!

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 04:27 AM
the problem is if all of a sudden all deletion notices were vicible, some things might be seen that were never intended to be read by anyone outside staff. for example, sometimes I write love notes to Leeza in the deletion notices.

Leeza
11-07-2005, 04:32 AM
*visible :)

And sometimes I use words that wouldn't set a very good example. :)

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 04:35 AM
*vices Leeza*

I mean that lovingly, of course.

seriously, you can't make stuff visible now without us having to go through and clen up anything we only wrote because it wasn't visible. It's just not going to happen.

RSL
11-07-2005, 04:37 AM
No need is a perfectly good reason to not do something. What's the point of deleting posts if everyone can just see them anyway?

Yamaneko
11-07-2005, 04:42 AM
None of this will help/change anything. In the end it's up to the staff to keep the place tidy. As long as it gets done, it's good enough. Smiling, commenting out posts (which is for our benefit), and showing deleted posts are all trivial matters.

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 04:42 AM
exactly. the deleted posts just lookugly anyway. consider yourselves lucky you can't see them.

Del Murder
11-07-2005, 05:10 AM
I usually comment out the post or make a post in the thread notifying the people that their spam was deleted. I don't care if members can see the deleted posts, as long as it doesn't lead to people pming us and asking what those posts were.

-N-
11-07-2005, 05:43 AM
Whenever I send a pm warning I always end it with 'Have a nice day. :)', to remind people that getting in trouble here isn't the end of the world.you dirty liar

Primus Inter Pares
11-07-2005, 05:49 AM
They can't be all bad, I mean I'm detanked prematurely for some reason, I must say that's pretty darned polite xD

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 05:51 AM
i let you off early. now don't make me regret it. :D

Primus Inter Pares
11-07-2005, 05:56 AM
...dude, seriously, you know you will.

EDIT: This had something to do with a bet didn't it?

Loony BoB
11-07-2005, 10:46 AM
If an admin is going to implement the "can view deleted posts" thing for non-staff members, then they also will have to be the ones to go through every deleted post in EoFF checking to make sure the comments we've used are suitable for public viewing. :) And they can't just say they've done it. They have to actually do it. 'cause I for one don't like things that I say in private being made public. Otherwise we may as well make the staff forum viewable by the public, too!

Shlup
11-07-2005, 11:13 AM
Nah, just let 'em through. I've got a few gems in there myself. Muaha

Loony BoB
11-07-2005, 11:17 AM
NO! IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU EDITED INTO THE DELETED POSTS WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AND WRITE ABOUT IT IN YOUR LIVEJOURNAL. ...PLEASE.

Shlup
11-07-2005, 11:25 AM
;___________________________________________________;

Loony BoB
11-07-2005, 11:31 AM
See? The 'please' does nothing.

theundeadhero
11-07-2005, 03:28 PM
What do you have to hide, BoB? Your obviously excited about something cause I've seen you use THREE exclamation points today. Not the occasional one here and there, but three! And all caps, wow.

Loony BoB
11-07-2005, 03:30 PM
I don't think I logged into EoFF at all yesterday, so it was just all pent up inside of me!

EDIT: BACK ON TOPIC NOW, PLEASE.

Old Manus
11-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Mod crisis

Raistlin
11-07-2005, 06:12 PM
BoB doesn't want us to see his mental breakdowns were he cussed out anyone who did the slightest thing wrong...and going around the swear filter to do it. Naughty BooB.

eestlinc
11-07-2005, 06:23 PM
the swear filter doesn't affect moderation notes

edit: actually it does. how lame!

MecaKane
11-07-2005, 08:10 PM
Maybe if members saw the nasty things you write in the comments they might see it as more than just arbitrary rule inforcing and take notice that they're really pissing people off. :eek:

Shoden
11-07-2005, 10:35 PM
Do what you usually do Elsie and put in your comments, and don't make the comments so crude hehehehe, there's an idea for lent 2006!


Hmm BoB is making me suspicious of the staff forums, could it be true there's a mass porn stash!?


Manners aren't really needed, just a reason that isn't to complicated for the user to understand, I think the mods get pissy from PMs about the posts though...

Madonna
11-07-2005, 11:10 PM
Please carry as you have been, Knights; if I wanted coddling, I'd ask to be in daycare.

Cruise Control
11-12-2005, 12:51 AM
'Have a nice day.:)' Seems a bit sadistic in a warning/ban threat.

EDIT:
None of this will help/change anything. In the end it's up to the staff to keep the place tidy. As long as it gets done, it's good enough. Smiling, commenting out posts (which is for our benefit), and showing deleted posts are all trivial matters.

Oh, snap, Yams wins.

rubah
11-12-2005, 12:56 AM
I wished Neel a nice day the other day and he said he really appreciated it.

I know I wish people would wish *me* a nice day.

Samuraid
11-12-2005, 01:43 AM
Have a nice day. :)

Old Manus
11-12-2005, 11:39 AM
http://castleking.tripod.com/wwf/mankind.jpg

crono_logical
11-12-2005, 11:49 AM
Yeah, we all know how much tripod image hosting sucks :p

DMKA
11-13-2005, 10:04 PM
The thing about deleted posts is that you probably don't have any idea when we are doing it. I actually delete a lot of posts. But sometimes a thread is beyond repair, or got off on the wrong foot from the very start. In these cases, it's usually quicker and much more painless to just kill them. I'm sorry if a thread you enjoyed was closed.

I took a screenshot of this sort of thing once upon a time:
<img src="http://www.carrotmaster.com/images/crash.png">
Killing that thread was a crime to the internet.

Monster Hunt
11-14-2005, 09:37 AM
Politeness? Hmm...

I think that you shouldn't push people to say have a nice day.

Well have a nice night anyway!

Cruise Control
11-14-2005, 11:42 AM
The forum is officially polite, I got a standardized email wishing me happy birthday when my family forgot.

crono_logical
11-14-2005, 08:31 PM
I forgot the forum did that until it emailed me :p At least it serves to remind me which vBulletins I'm still registered at at various sites :p