HP - MP materia

[eestlinc]

What's the point of this materia? Is there any use besides making a very low HP mage character with absurb amounts of MP? Is there ever a situation in the game where a character with 800 HP and 7000 MP would be useful?

[Tenaku]

Not that I can think of.

[Light Mage]

Not unless you had a master Sneak-Attack & Knights of the Round Materia.

[Necronopticous]

If anyone ever feels like 999 MP is not enough they need to start learning how to use MP regenerating items. I hate the stupid HP - MP materia, it's a wasted materia cave.

[eestlinc]

yea, it's a very depressing reward for breeding a black chocobo.

[BG-57]

I did this thread a couple of years ago! :D

Besides giving you a maximum MP of 9999, it has one other use:

With 999 HP it's very easy for characters to reach their limit breaks. This is useful for limit breaks that you learn by executing other limit breaks over and over again.

[KoShiatar]

I think you can Quadra Magic KOTR with it.

[Light Mage]

KotR Dosn't work with Quadra Magic at all, if I remember...

[KoShiatar]

It usually doesn't work because you don't have enough MP to cast it 4 times in the first place. I neve tried though.

[Captain Maxx Power]

Lucky Sevens MP style. Seriously, has ANYONE tried it?

[Carl the Llama]

[TR][TD]well i think you could pair Master Summon with Counter and if you had HP<->MP it would counter every time (also since you have Pheonix you would be revived every time XD

I dont know if it works but im gunna find out now ill post my results here after.

ok I tried it, it doesnt counter with every summon like I had hoped it would, when I paired it up it was with Final Attack which just summoned a random Summon (I got Ramuh) and also Counter paired with Master Magic didnt work either which leads me to believe that you cannot use Counter with anything other then a command materia :mad:

[raskerino]

I'm pretty sure you can cast KoTR with quadra magic, though I don't remember if I've tested this. It should work because you have way over 1000 mp.

[Carl the Llama]

I'm pretty sure you can cast KoTR with quadra magic, though I don't remember if I've tested this. It should work because you have way over 1000 mp.

[TR][TD]Ill test it now...

[eestlinc]

Quadra Magic uses the MP needed to cast the spell once.

Magic Counter support materia counters with thelinked magic materia. Counter Attack independent materia counters with a physical attack. Counter support materia counters with the attached materia.

[Carl the Llama]

[TR][TD]ok its official: HP<->MP IS useless the Qudra Magic + KotR combo with HP<->MP didnt work :mad:

[Light Mage]

I guess 13 or so attacks with KotR really dosn't need to be repeated four times. Not to mention it would take about half an hour to watch.

[BG-57]

I get around MP consumption issues by linking Master Summon to MP-Absorb.

I only use HP <-> MP for learning limit breaks.

[Big D]

Some characters (Cid, Nanaki) do more damage with their Ultimate Weapons when they've got more MP, so the HP<->MP materia allows you to accomplish this easily. Even a low-levelled Cid could deal a real bruisin' if you turned his 3000 HP into MP when he's carrying the Venus Gospel...

Other than that, I guess that gaining Limit Breaks is the best use for this particular materia - unless you want to customise your characters into specific 'job classes', in which case you can use it to make an old-style Mage, with plenty of magic power but limited HP.

[eestlinc]

it would work well for Aeris except well, you know.

The limit gauge trick is creative enough, and the MP-damage. I wonder, does materia that gives MP bonuses and HP penalties give them before the switch or after. I'm too lazy to investigate. Or for that matter, does it switch HP plus and MP plus materia?

[Carl the Llama]

[TR][TD]The way it works is that if you have 9999 hp with HP+ mat then you will have 9999 MP with it aswell, I found this out last night

[Light Mage]

I guess that would make sense. HP&hArr;MP swaps the base stat numbers, HP+ and MP+ just adds to the number recorded in your HP & MP gauges.

[Sephitachi7]

Would it boost Red's Limited Moon because there is more MP or is Red's Limited Moon only based on percentages?

[Light Mage]

I would expect both the MP based Ultimate weapons and the HP based ones (Like Cloud's Ultima Weapon) to work on the percentage values rather than total number values.