Hypnotize - System of a Down

[Rye]

I couldn't find the old thread, so sorry for making a new one.

So far, this CD is AMAZING. Very old school style, except with Daron singing a lot, like I was wishing for, so I was so relieved. I've heard Dreaming is like Steal this Album! and Attack is like their self-titled first album. But they've also got the good catchy style for some songs from Mezmerize. Kill Rock 'N Roll, for example, is awesome. It's still somewhat Steal this Album! style, which is good. U-Fig is very much like Steal this Album!

I have no complaints, but I've only listened to a little less than half so far. :)

EDIT: Listened to it, now I can review it:

1. Attack - Very nice song, old-school style. 4/5
2. Dreaming - Nothing extrodonairy, old-school SoaD style, but nice. 3/5
3. Kill Rock 'N Roll - Insanely catchy song. 3/5
4. Hypnotize - A good song, but not their strongest song, considering it was a single. 4/5
5. Stealing Society - Like Dreaming, but better. 4/5
6. Tentative - Very catchy, Toxicity style. 4/5
7. U-Fig - Steal this Album! is the best way to describe it. Love the insane sounds. 3/5
8. Holy Mountains - This is when this album gets kickass. Great intro. Very atmospheric and beautiful. 5/5 9. 9. Vicinity of Obscenity - Fucking insane song, I love it. Banana, banana, banana, banana, terracotta, terracota pie! 5/5
10. She's Like Heroin - Even more insane than the previous song. Very very funny, in my opinion. 4.8/5
11. Lonely Day - Stunning. 5/5
12. Soldier Side - Possibly the best song on the album. Stunning, just like Lonely Day - 5/5

[Strider]

I was hoping I'd get to make this thread. :p

I heard most of it on the radio last night, and I went out and bought it this morning. Great stuff, but you all probably could've guessed that.

[Crushed Hope]

As expected, with every album System of a Down released, it sucked total ass.

[Venom]

I didnt really like it, they werent up to my Unreasonably high metal standards.

[Cecinda]

I loved it, I don't restrict myself to "only heavy" or "only metal" music. Even though I love metal I also appreciate other music like rock and hardcore. System has always been one of my fave bands and I don't care what any fanatical purist says.

[Sare]

I liked it.
Doesn't beat their older material, but it's still good. Something to jump and wave your hair along with :)

[Crushed Hope]

Haha, venom. You amuze me sometimes.

SoaD are not metal by any standard, and I can also say this, SoaD have always sucked, and always will.

[Venom]

Haha, venom. You amuze me sometimes.

SoaD are not metal by any standard, and I can also say this, SoaD have always sucked, and always will.

Everyone else in my school thinks there metal.

[Lindy]

lolz i liek to troolll!!!!111

I think it's a good album, no System of a Down aren't metal, no they're not to everyone's taste but not LIKING them doesn't mean that they "suck".

[Rye]

Lindy wins, yet again. :)

[Traitorfish]

SoaD are not metal by any standard, and I can also say this, SoaD have always sucked, and always will.
If your gonna be an elitist, arrogant, self-important, unpleasant, offensive... err... what was I saying?
Basically, you don't have to rant and rave and scream 'I luv Balkc mettal!' at everyone. Just say 'I do not like SoaD' once, then keep it to yourself.
Other people like it, but they're not shoving it in your face.
And, because you are the Queen of Genres, which, prey tell, do they get pigeon-holed into?

I think it's interesting. It's not as good as their old stuff, but it's interesting to see the new direction they're going in. It's better that they're staying original than going through the same old stuff. That's for puny bands. Metallica made a few unusual turns in their time, and they're all the better for it.
But, I'm still not to sure about someone wailing 'Eat the grass! Eat all the grass that you want!' in a vagely melodic tune. Is grass meant to mean grass as in the drug? Everything they sing seems to be about drugs. Or ranting about politics. But that's OK.
Drugs = Bad
Inane political rants = Good

[MecaKane]

Is it longer than 35 minutes?
"Enough music to make two albums" my ass.

Christmas gift hurrah.

[Lindy]

But, I'm still not to sure about someone wailing 'Eat the grass! Eat all the grass that you want!' in a vagely melodic tune. Is grass meant to mean grass as in the drug?
I think it's to do with people being sheep.

[Rye]

It's only 39.6 minutes. It's not a really long CD, only 14 songs, but I'd rather a nice short CD than a big crap CD. :p

She's Like Heroin is so catchy. Lonely Day and especially Soldier Side are really good too. Probably the best songs on the album.

[Pouring Rain]

*likes System of a Down* ^_^. Don't hate me, please?

[KoShiatar]

A friend of mine made me listen to them while we were in his car and I fell in love.

[Traitorfish]

I think it's to do with people being sheep.
Right, so the 'political rant' thing.

[crashNUMBERS]

My favorite System of a down song is "Chop Suey!". You should download it, Rye...

[rubah]

Soldier side wasn't on mezmerize? Darn my piracy!:O

I'll pick this up over the weekend probably.

[Craig]

I've been wondering when you would make this thread Rye.

I don't have much money now, but I'm looking forward to getting the album when I do.

How's the ratio of Daron singing between this one, and Mesmerize?

[crashNUMBERS]

Is it longer than 35 minutes?
"Enough music to make two albums" my ass.

Christmas gift hurrah.
XD That's true!! There are loads of albums that play more songs in one CD. Even CD-roms that are bought for CD burning can holds more minutes!! Longest I know is 80 minutes...

[Dreddz]

to join in this thread somehow, Ive listened to SOAD on a few occasions, I heard one called Violent pornography, I disliked it, but i past those flaming days, so Im happy everyone else likes there music ......

[Craig]

to join in this thread somehow, Ive listened to SOAD on a few occasions, I heard one called Violent pornography, I disliked it, but i past those flaming days, so Im happy everyone else likes there music ......



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/foogle/medal.jpg

[Lindy]

Right, so the 'political rant' thing.
Does it really detract from it being fun to listen to?

I certainly know I don't listen to music to rip apart and analyse the lyrics, I let the cadence of the words flow over me to incite and excite.

...Well, that was a little overly wordy.

[Rye]

Soldier side wasn't on mezmerize? Darn my piracy!:O

I'll pick this up over the weekend probably.

It's on both. The one on Mezmerize is pretty short, the one on Hypnotize was a full song. :D

Crash: I love Chop Suey. I have it though. I have 66 System of a Down songs, every one that was released. I'm just missing B-sides and such.

Craig: I was worried I would miss my chance and be beaten to making the thread. xD

[Crushed Hope]

Had I ever said they sucked because I didn't like them? No.

I don't like them because they suck. Heh. They are honestly the same old nu-metal, aka, hard-rock (with some metal influences, but few), with Armenian musical <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> thrown in there. Woo. Big deal? I don't get the whole big deal over them, especially from the kids who claim them to be inventive.

It is honestly not that inventive at all to use folk elements in ones music, many bands have been doing it for years. However if you just like the sound, than I feel incredibly sorry for your ears.

Talentless little <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">s.

EDIT: Their lyrics are not deep either. They suck. Ass.

EDIT 2: Traitorfish, if you really don't like my posts I could care less, but get my gender correct. I am not solely into black metal you know >_> Long live Folk, Power, Gothic, Death, Prog, Thrash, Speed, Doom, and Post-black metal. Yeah, I know I am an ass. Live with it.

[crashNUMBERS]

Crash: I love Chop Suey. I have it though. I have 66 System of a Down songs, every one that was released. I'm just missing B-sides and such.

Then you'll love this!! <A HREF="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/dela">This Is How Me And My Friends Act!! =D</A>

[rubah]

It's on both. The one on Mezmerize is pretty short, the one on Hypnotize was a full song. :D

Crash: I love Chop Suey. I have it though. I have 66 System of a Down songs, every one that was released. I'm just missing B-sides and such.

Craig: I was worried I would miss my chance and be beaten to making the thread. xD
l33t.

Rye, I've got about 66 now, how many more would there be after adding hypnotize? xD 78 ish? Chubbz seems to have more than me though xD

I like SoaD's lyrics, especially Forest, and Innervision. Sugar is funny and Spiders is even creepier with the words.

I doubt I'd like them quite as much if they didn't have Serj singing so much.

And now that I think about it(it must be too late, for me to be reflective like this) it sounds so perfectly ridiculous to think that *my* favorite band is called System of a Down. Now I know why those people were like ":OOOOOOOO" when I was in eighth grade:]

And as for good SoaD that you wouldn't think of going by their released albums, Marmalade (strangeland soundtrack) Metro (dracula 2000 soundtrack), Johnny (I have no friggin' clue:D) Goodbye Blue Sky (sadly this too gets turned into a political statement, but I love it)

And apparently I'll have to wait for my birthday to get this; my mother asked me to guess what my brother had already gotten for me. She was a bit miffed that I knew what it was xD just two weeks I guess:(

[ff7+ff10 gurl 100]

*likes System of a Down* ^_^. Don't hate me, please?
xD me too :D

[lordblazer]

I think it's to do with people being sheep.
Yeah its symbolic its actually political as heck man.

Beucase ordinary everyday people in America that are Republicans. Blindly followed behind Bush and believed every damn word that politician said. as if they were sheep and Bush is their shepherd.

Thats how I took it anyway lol because anytime we get critical of the president's and governments actions the conservative people would say your unpatriotic and cut you off right there,

[ZeZipster]

System of a Down is proof that liberals are often times as stupid as conservatives.

[MecaKane]

Very true.
But I like them dispite stupid lyrics in "political" songs. :love:

[Crushed Hope]

System of a Down is proof that liberals are often times as stupid as conservatives, if not stupider

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

lolol librals r dum ur band sux cuz i say so i lik 2 pis ppl off rofl
God, shut up. Nobody cares about your angst teenage views. Thanks goodbye.

And anyway, I just picked up the new ablum and was giddy with excitement as I skipped back to my car. I've only listened to it once, but I'm already likeing it. I'll have to listen to it a couple more time before I create an accurate view, but it's pretty good so far.

[ZeZipster]

lolol librals r dum ur band sux cuz i say so i lik 2 pis ppl off rofl
That was mature and true. It also proved your point. :rolleyes2


God, shut up. Nobody cares about your angst teenage views. Thanks goodbye.

What the hell is the relevance of me being a teen? Obviously people do care about my "teenage angst views" or three people wouldn't have dignified them with a response.


And anyway, I just picked up the new ablum and was giddy with excitement as I skipped back to my car. I've only listened to it once, but I'm already likeing it. I'll have to listen to it a couple more time before I create an accurate view, but it's pretty good so far.

Okay. I hope you continue "likeing" it.


Y'know why they always send the poor? Because they'd lose the war if they sent anyone else. Hate to break it to you, Mr Serj, but there happens to be a little bit more "poor" people than there are presidents. Just a little bit.

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

I like it when people have nothing to shoot back with than small spelling typos. Anyway, my point was this: Shut up. THis isn't a political thread. Thanks goodbye.

[ZeZipster]

I like it when people have nothing to shoot back with than small spelling typos. Anyway, my point was this: Shut up. THis isn't a political thread. Thanks goodbye.

I did comment on more than your small spelling typo. You chose to ignore the rest of the post. Normally I wouldn't have commented on a spelling mistake... But you chose to bring up my age, so I decided to prove just how irrelevent age was by insulting your spelling.

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

I'm not going to argue with you, as much as I want to.

System of a Down rocks!

[RPJesus]

Had I ever said they sucked because I didn't like them? No.
And your opinion doesn't determine what genre they come under. Because you don't like them doesn't stop them from being metal.

Traitorfish, if you really don't like my posts I could care less, but get my gender correct. I am not solely into black metal you know >_> Long live Folk, Power, Gothic, Death, Prog, Thrash, Speed, Doom, and Post-black metal. Yeah, I know I am an ass. Live with it.
Excluding folk, what the hell's the difference?! At least in the way you meant.
You're an ass? You know, because you say it doesn't stop it from being true.

Y'know why they always send the poor? Because they'd lose the war if they sent anyone else. Hate to break it to you, Mr Serj, but there happens to be a little bit more "poor" people than there are presidents. Just a little bit.
Yeah, kill 'em! There's pleny more! They're expendable!
If you don't get the lyrics, don't try and be clever.


Well, I like System of a Down. Really much like. Good music and damn good political messages (or something)! I've heard some of the new album. As a whole, I don't think it's as good as earlier albums, but still very good. It's a little strange, yes, a slightly different style. But it's interesting to hear. I like it.

[Crushed Hope]

And your opinion doesn't determine what genre they come under. Because you don't like them doesn't stop them from being metal.

Excluding folk, what the hell's the difference?! At least in the way you meant.
You're an ass? You know, because you say it doesn't stop it from being true.


I never said my opinion changed their genre, only fact does. My opinion on this just happens to coincide with fact.

Each genre is rather different, but you and everyone else on these boards aside from jrgen are completly blind to knowing this. I have given examples before, and yet EVERYONE HAS REFUSED TO LISTEN TO THEM AND WHAT I SAID! If you people would listen to the samples I put up, as well as the descriptions of the genres then YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE A BUNCH OF IGNORANT ARROGANT assholes.

[Traitorfish]

Had I ever said they sucked because I didn't like them? No.
Err... yeah, you did.



I don't like them because they suck. Heh. They are honestly the same old nu-metal, aka, hard-rock (with some metal influences, but few), with Armenian musical <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> thrown in there. Woo. Big deal? I don't get the whole big deal over them, especially from the kids who claim them to be inventive.
For someone who has a quik reference 101-Genres chart tatooted onto the inside of their eyelids, you're pretty ignorant.c
Hard rock is from the 70s and early 80s- stuff like ACDC and Deep Purple, to name a few. They're metal, plain and simple. Not heavy metal, though a few songs could be, but metal none the less. Alternative metal, they're usually called.
And just because you don't like Armenian folk music doesn't mean it's 'little-skull little-skull little-skull little-skull'.



It is honestly not that inventive at all to use folk elements in ones music, many bands have been doing it for years. However if you just like the sound, than I feel incredibly sorry for your ears.

Talentless little <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">s.
No-one ever said they inventive because they had folk influences. At lest, not the band themselves. Besides, the first bands to mix folk and rock were guys like Jethro Tull, not post-black-dark-evil-aaargh-satan-I'm-so-cool-metal bands.



EDIT: Their lyrics are not deep either. They suck. Ass.
Aah, of course, and Cradle of Filth speak amazing words of wisdom, bringing knowledge and enlightenment to the masses?
I have to admit that they can sometimes be a bit on the 'we're-cool-cos-were-deep' side, though.



EDIT 2: Traitorfish, if you really don't like my posts I could care less, but get my gender correct. I am not solely into black metal you know >_> Long live Folk, Power, Gothic, Death, Prog, Thrash, Speed, Doom, and Post-black metal. Yeah, I know I am an ass. Live with it.
Yeah, sure, whatever. Proggle-thrash-splunk forever. Yeah... wooh.
Here's something I really don't care about- a long, boring, pretentious list of genres/reasons why you claim to be cool.
Keep your self-righteous, inconsistent ravings to yourself, thanks.


I never said my opinion changed their genre, only fact does. My opinion on this just happens to coincide with fact.
That's nice. It's good when you can exist in a world which is constructed around the basis of you being undeniably right, all the time. Just like President George W. Bush...



Each genre is rather different, but you and everyone else on these boards aside from jrgen are completly blind to knowing this. I have given examples before, and yet EVERYONE HAS REFUSED TO LISTEN TO THEM AND WHAT I SAID! If you people would listen to the samples I put up, as well as the descriptions of the genres then YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE A BUNCH OF IGNORANT ARROGANT assholes.
FLAME! WOOH! That's a flame if I ever saw one!


System of a Down is proof that liberals are often times as stupid as conservatives.
In Britain we have the LIberal Democrat party, which is twice as good proof as SoaD.
Not that I agree with a capitalist pig-dog such as yourself sir, oh no. I'll stcik to my own concieted views, thankee kindly.

[ZeZipster]

Yeah, kill 'em! There's pleny more! They're expendable!
If you don't get the lyrics, don't try and be clever.


Oh I do get them. I don't think you quite understand the hierarchy of things. I don't even agree with the war in Iraq, but to say "Well the President wouldn't go fight!" is pretty damn asinine.

[Crushed Hope]

I fucking give up. You people are not open to the facts of the matter because, YOU, not me, YOU think you are cool for listening to "metal" bands like SoaD. Heh. As I said before, check out the fucking samples I have posted before, you can learn what is metal and what isn't, but seeing as none of you aside from jrgen and Maybe Ze, would do so than heh it's just a shame and waste of my time.

Also, I wouldn't be caught dead listening to a Cradle of Filth song, so before you go in throwing bands names at me pay attention to my posts and musical tastes.

[Lindy]

OH NO! SOMEONE IS PUTTING BANDS IN THE WRONG GENRE!

CALL THE GENRE POLICE AND START CRACKING HEADS!

IMMERSION RUINED! GAME OVER!

It's very ironic how you call other people arrogant and closed minded, when you're the one who rushes into a topic spouting about how a band "sucks", how you're always right and shouting that everyone else is a moron for not fitting into your nazi-like genre laws.

[ZeZipster]

http://www.purevolume.com/systemofadown

They call themselves Experimental / Rock / Alternative.

[Tokki Wartooth]

I don't think anyone's arguing that System of a Down is metal (not that I read through this entire thread to know that for sure, but I'm giving the members of EoFF the benefit of the doubt). They are to metal what My Chemical Romance is to emo, ie. not.

I despise them, and my boyfriend loves them. It makes for interesting conflict!

[rubah]

soad's been labeled as nu-metal for at least four years now, for what it's worth.

[Tokki Wartooth]

Nu-metal and metal are very different. Linkin Park is nu-metal. Would <b><u>you</u></b> call Linkin Park real metal?

[Crushed Hope]

Hehe, thanks for there being some sense in this place. My genre descritions are not Nazi like, I don't go out spouting that you need to be killed for liking the genre, I just actually tell the truth with fact to back it up.

If you can't handle the truth than that is your problem.

[Venom]

Isnt that a line from a movie?

[Crushed Hope]

Isnt that a line from a movie?

What, If you can't handle the truth than that's your problem?

Maybe, but if it is I sure as hell didn't get it from that.

[Lindy]

I just actually tell the truth with fact to back it up.
Wait, what, fact, where?

I've seen absolutely zero fact, all I've seen is "THIS IS WHAT I THINK AND IT MUST BE RIGHT".

I don't get how other people liking a band suddenly ruins and destroys your precious little world, yet oddly, it seems to, which leads me to believe you really lack quite a lot of...anything in your life when music affects you this much.

And no, I couldn't care less that you don't like System of a Down or any other countless bands.
It's the fact that you seem to think that because you don't like them it gives you the right to come along, and whenever you seem someone trying to discuss what they like with other people, you troll the hell out of it with your "facts" (Read : Opinion).

[Crushed Hope]

I have given plenty of facts, in at least 2-3 threads that support my knowledge of metal and the different sub-genres of it. Hell, just everyone likes to think that because I can name so much off in so much detail I am being an elitest heh.

Who cares if I don't have much else in my life than music? It isn't anyones concern aside from my own, and if it were the case I would have already done something about it.

[Lindy]

Shame none of those facts were in this thread, backing up what you were saying on this specific subject.

Citing other threads that have been around at some point doesn't exactly bolster your "argument" in this one.

And if it isn't anyone's concern how little there is in your life aside music, then what concern is it of yours what kind of music people like or how they define in theirs?

You're not being an "elitest (sic)", you're being a troll, you're deliberately trying to annoy other people behind the guise that you're some kind of musical messiah, come to save people from music that "sucks".

[ZeZipster]

Shame none of those facts were in this thread, backing up what you were saying on this specific subject.

Citing other threads that have been around at some point doesn't exactly bolster your "argument" in this one.

And if it isn't anyone's concern how little there is in your life aside music, then what concern is it of yours what kind of music people like or how they define in theirs?

You're not being an "elitest (sic)", you're being a troll, you're deliberately trying to annoy other people behind the guise that you're some kind of musical messiah, come to save people from music that "sucks".

Why is it if someone doesn't agree with a subject and argues their own opinion it's considered trolling? Like you haven't responded to everything she's said... Hell, you've probably done nothing but propagate more trolling.

[Lindy]

Not agreeing with a subject is fine, calling everyone "A BUNCH OF IGNORANT ARROGANT assholes" is trolling.

[Crushed Hope]

Fine I will effing post the genre discriptions here, and FURTHER make this go off topic.

Thrash: A combination of old school Hardcore Punk with Classic Heavy Metal, early thrash bands took the two emerging styles merged them added a healthy dose of speed and went from there. One word defines the instruments in thrash "fast", Riffs are sets of fast chords, drums are played in double bass rolls and fast snare reliant blasts, bass is often limited to fast plucking of the top two strings. Vocals are usually intense but clean and lack vibrato. Slayer, Testament and Exodus are all good examples.

Black Metal: An extreme evolution of thrash about pushing metal to its audible extremes. Guitars are fast and abrasive, often quite minimilistic, and often tremolo picked. Drums are usually fast double bass sections or fast blast beats, usually accompanied by a ride or hi-hat. Vocals are often shrieked in a shrill high-pitched tone, and production is often very rough to enhance the atmosphere and abrasiveness of the music. Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgorth, Burzum and Kreig are all excellent examples of Pure Black Metal. Some BM bands try to incorporate synths and more electronic atmospherics into their music, these bands are often called "Goth Metal" by BM fans although this is inaccurate, the term "Symphonic Black Metal" is a lot closer to the truth.

Death Metal: The other evolution of Thrash, this branch of bands went in a very different direction with the Thrash prototype, they thickened the guitar tone, inserted a lot of musicianship, morbidity, groove and speed (yes even more). Double bass sections are usually faster, more blasts are used and riffs are usually a lot more technical. However the main thing that sets DM apart is the vocals. Vibrato soaked growls that are projected from the abdomen and shaped with the throat, this is as important part of the music as any of the instruments. Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy, Origin, and Death are all good examples of Death Metal.

Power Metal: A straight evolution of Classic Heavy Metal, through Iron Maiden who despite not being Power themselves were a massive influence on the genre. Power Metal places a high focus on guitar harmonies and melodies, extravagant solos are used often and riffs tend to "gallop" due to the chord progressions used. Vocals are typically high and soaring, subject matter is quite often fantasy based. Lost Horizon, Hammerfal and Stratovarius are good examples of this.

Melodic Death Metal: Or "Melo-Death" is a combination of Power Metal structures with those of Death Metal, Maidenesque twin guitar harmonies are used liberally, drums usually contain a certain amount of rhythm and groove, technicality is at a mid to high level and vocals are usually growled, although at a higher pitch than standard Death Metal. In Flames, Soilwork, At The Gates and Arch Enemy are all obvious examples of Melo-Death

Progressive Metal: A combination of the ideals of 70’s/80’s prog bands such as Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin with the distortion, groove, rythym and structure of classic heavy Metal. What came out was a legion of bands led by Dream Theater who featured immense technical ability, numerous time signature and tempo changes, long sweeping instrumental sections and typical high soaring vocals. Each song often sounds different from the last due to the fact that they draw influence from all over the place and extravagant solo sections are almost a necessity.


Grindcore: An extreme form of Hardcore Punk. Characterized by heavy use of blast beats, heavily distorted bass, and extremely fast, grinding guitars. Vocals are typically guttural bellows, but higher pitched screams are also used. Emphasis on simplicity, just as in punk. Napalm Death, Nasum, Burned Up Bled Dry, Extreme Noise Terror and Siege are all excellent examples of Grind. Modern grind or "Tech Grind" as it is sometimes called is slightly different in that it is based more on modern Metalcore than in old school punk, the obvious examples of this are of course Pig Destroyer.

Doom Metal: This term has grown to mean "anything that draws influence from the first two Sabbath albums" but I resent that, real doom is painfully slow, depressing music, with long monotonous drones for riffs, simple drums and particularly pained vocals (usually lower than their DM counterparts). Most Doom Metal puts the emphasis more on atmosphere and "feel" of the music, rather than any individual notes or riffs. Examples include Saturnus, While Heaven Wept and Skepticism.

Sludge: Typically a sub-genre of hardcore, although borrowing from genres such as Industrial, Grindcore, and even Southern Rock. Characterized by incredibly slow, grinding, dirgy guitars, primarily rhythmic drumming, and screams which sound particularly painful. Subject matter can be about anything, but is most typically about drug use or various states of emotion. the most easily recognizable bands in this genre are Eyehategod, Crowbar, Soilent Green, Beaten Back To Pure, and Rabies Caste.

Goregrind: A combination of Grindcore's intensity, pace and song structure, and death metal's vocal style, musicality, groove, morbidity and technicality. Rather than the emphasis on simplicity grind has, it finds a middle ground and uses moderate technicality and repetition to create a very listenable groove. Dual vocalists are a trademark (but not essential), as is very tongue-in-cheek gore lyrical content. Pre-Necroticism Carcass, Lord Gore, Devourment, Haemorrhage, and Repulsion are good examples.

Metalcore: In short: Hardcore + A Metal Genre (Usually Thrash Or Death) Very similar to Hardcore in most respects, but instead of using either overly abstract riffs (The DEP) or simple mosh riffs (Hatebreed), they tend to use much more Thrash or Death influenced guitar work. Metalcore tends not to have the genericore Hardcore vocals and the drumming is more tribal instead of jumping between slow blast beats and rolls. Zao, Johnny Truant, Luddite Clone and Into Eternity are all good examples of the range of sound Metalcore can create.

[Lindy]

...

I find it funny now you're worried about going off topic.

And are you actually going to apply those to anything useful in this topic or are we supposed to read them and go "Oooh, smart!".

Nobody aside from you is whining over whether System of a Down are metal or not.

I was more expecting the "facts" on why they're a bad band.

[Crushed Hope]

Bah, It was mainly because Traitor is a dick that I posted them, and felt like showing him off. How can I prove that SoaD are bad, it is opinion. I, however, only accept my own opinion and those akin to mine.

[Lindy]

See, that's more like it.

The word opinion is key, yet from the first few posts you most certainly weren't acting like that.

[fire_of_avalon]

I've decided none of you get to discuss this anymore because many of you can't conduct yourselves decently with one another. Crushed Hope and Traitorfish will soon have threads in the WML for flaming each other. This post is also their official notice and warning of said threads.

If you want to talk about the new System of a Down album, feel free to make another thread. If you want to talk about the differences in musical genres, please make a new thread for it. If you want to talk about the politicals in music, make a thread for that. But be civil to each other.