WHAT THE HELL ARE FAERIES???

[ChCx91]

you remember from the flashback when laguna is on the front porch of the orphanage with young edea asking where ellone is when its raining and stuff? he mentions faeries...after looking around and edea asking him what is wrong. i it gets mentioned again sometime in the game as well. i never really knew what they were though...what are "FAERIES?"

[Christmas]

Squall and CO conscious got send to Laguna,Kiros and Wards into the past by Ellone.

So their conscious is inside them and so it is not strange that Laguna and CO might feel the existence of Squall and the others.


Laguna: Oh, sure. Hey there! Been wanting to meet you guys! You guys are the ones who were inside my head, right? It was like there weresome kind of waves running through my head. They gave us so much power during battle. We thought they were some kind of faeries flying over us

[Mo-Nercy]

I've always thought it was just a saying within the Final Fantasy VIII world. Laguna's simply experiencing a strange feeling as Ellone sends back Squall's consciousness into the past and just like how we would say "Woah, deja vu" when we experience something that feels like it's happened before, Laguna has said "Huh? Faeries?" when Squall is 'inside him' (oh grow up)

What faeries are exactly, I don't know. I don't think the game explains at any point. But it's probably just a belief based some sort of religion.

[Anaisa]

Faeries is another spelling for the more commenly known fairys. So faeries are fairys.

[muzzer]

they are mentioned in 'Legend of mana' so do you think, square connects its games ina wierd sort of way. It also has chocobos in it too
:choc: :moomba:

[*~Angel Wing~*]

you remember from the flashback when laguna is on the front porch of the orphanage with young edea asking where ellone is when its raining and stuff? he mentions faeries...after looking around and edea asking him what is wrong. i it gets mentioned again sometime in the game as well. i never really knew what they were though...what are "FAERIES?"
I have been wondering the same thing!!! IT'S BEEN DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!:hyper:

[Slade]

Unknowns has the right idea.

[Aerith's Knight]

fearies.. is the same as fairys and those a mythycal creatures who are believed to watch and protect over people.

[Psychotic]

Whenever Laguna mentions 'faeries' it's because he can hear (Squall and the others') voices in his head, only he doesn't want to admit that because he'll sound crazy and Ward really hates crazy people, so he says they're 'faeries', and this explanation seems to satisfy Ward.

[Masamune·1600]

Unknowns and Psy have it right. "Faeries" refers explicitly to the "interruptions" caused by the past-projected consciousnesses of Squall and the others. As this superimposition of consciousness is not something that would normally be felt, Laguna attributes it to faeries--in other words, to the unknown and the unknowable.

For example...


Laguna: No...but she's just so cute! Oh, I wish I could hear her voice!

Squall: (I want to hear Rinoa's voice.)

Edea: Is something the matter?

Laguna: No...just the faeries...

Squall: (I don't care if it's the past or what. I want to hear Rinoa. I
want to see Rinoa.) (That way, there might be a chance to save her.)

The quoted text from the game shows Laguna reacting to the unseen, intangible consciousness of Squall; there is no possible way for him to understand what this other presence is, or what he is feeling, so he simply attributes it to the fantastical, to the unexplained.

[Future Esthar]

On sorceress tales a fairy represents the opposite of a sorceress in which the sorceress symbolize evil and fairies symbolze good.
So a fairy is basically a "good" sorceress.
The fairy in this case is Ellone.
Fairies had white wings in general.
And who do we know who has white wings?
Rinoa(=Ellone).

[Christmas]

On sorceress tales a fairy represents the opposite of a sorceress in which the sorceress symbolize evil and fairies symbolze good.

In fairy tales fairies are small and puny which you can grab with a arm and crash it.

Does that apply to FF VIII too?



So a fairy is basically a "good" sorceress.
The fairy in this case is Ellone.
Fairies had white wings in general.
And who do we know who has white wings?
Rinoa(=Ellone).

http://www.purplemoon.com/Stickers/fairy-cosmic-leaf-set.jpghttp://www.stitchdirect.co.uk/acatalog/K4715.jpg

I dun see any white wings and OMFG, ARE THESE ALL SORCERESS!!!????
And do the fairy godmother happens to be the mother of all sorceress?

[Future Esthar]

As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie.
If a sorceress is a supernatural element and is real on FF8 why not a fairy?
I am sorry but to me it is most likely that there were fairies on FF8.

[Christmas]

As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie.

Have you heard of something called "ANGEL"? And the picture I posted above is what most people had in mind of a concept art of a fairy. MOST FAIRY DUN HAVE WHITE WINGS.




Angel - A representation of such a being, especially in Christianity, conventionally in the image of a human figure with a halo and wings.

BTW, Rinoa's limit break is called "Angel Wings" and not "Fairy Wings".


If a sorceress is a supernatural element and is real on FF8 why not a fairy?
I am sorry but to me it is most likely that there were fairies on FF8.

Why dun you just include every supernatural element that ever appear in human history into FF VIII as well?

[Qurange]

I'm with the others, of course; the faeries weren't faeries but Squall and company, obviously. ...All jokes about Squall's coat aside.

Actually, as far as I know, aren't faerie wings different than the white, feathery wings that Rinoa displays (more like angel wings, like Unknowns mentioned)? Just, in popular myth, their wings tend to be thinner than that. I don't think that fairies and sorceresses have any particular link.

...However, given the lines at Trabia ('A gift from the faeries') and that Laguna would think to call something like the Junctions 'faeries', I think we could easily say that faeries are a popular part of the FF8 world's mythologies--not that that affects much, but it might be a little touch that better fleshes out the world.

[Future Esthar]

[/QUOTE]
Why dun you just include every supernatural element that ever appear in human history into FF VIII as well?


Because fairies were the ones closer to sorceresses on tales.

[QUOTE] MOST FAIRY DUN HAVE WHITE WINGS

It didn´t matter.What matter is:


As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie.

[Christmas]

Why dun you just include every supernatural element that ever appear in human history into FF VIII as well?


Because fairies were the ones closer to sorceresses on tales.

Witch, Sadako, Wizards, Medusa....etc. ALL THESE ARE CLOSE AREN'T THEY?




It didn´t matter.What matter is:
As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie.



MOST FAIRY DUN HAVE WHITE WINGS

[Future Esthar]

Witch, Sadako, Wizards, Medusa....etc. ALL THESE ARE CLOSE AREN'T THEY?


But weren´t mentioned on the game.


As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie.

You don´t understood what I mean.It´s my fault,the text was incomplete.
What about this?

As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
WHITE IS THE SYMBOL OF GOOD.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie

It didn´t matter if faries have white wings or not.

[Qurange]

Fairies don't represent Good, though--at least not always. Read A Midsummer Night's Dream. (Or watch it, for that matter.)

[Future Esthar]

But in general.

[Christmas]

But weren´t mentioned on the game.

Witches are mentioned in the game, my dear friend. There is a theme song for it.

And the others are remain so hidden that even you didn't notice it.

WONDER HOW PEOPLE DIDN'T NOTICE IT.


You don´t understood what I mean.It´s my fault,the text was incomplete.
What about this?

As I said Fairies represent Good.
Fairies had wings.
WHITE IS THE SYMBOL OF GOOD.
A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie

It didn´t matter if faries have white wings or not.

It is even more contradicting then the first one.


A person having white wings will most likely be a fairie


It didn´t matter if faries have white wings or not

So, if a person have white wings he is a fairy, and fairy doesn't have white wings. So he is a fairy but not exactly a fairy but in some aspects and views that he is a fairy based on his white wings but might not be one since fairy dun have white wings.

And Rinoa's limit break should be call "Fairy Wings" instead?

[Qurange]

In general, my understanding is that fairies are thought to be outside the traditional good/evil spectrum; they're separate, and that's why caution is needed around them. For that matter, they don't even all have wings, but to call them something that represents good is probably inaccurate, and unnecessary in FF8 in the first place. As Sorceresses go, a Witch is a Witch; the source material (including the Ultimania) doesn't break it further than that. A Sorceress is a Sorceress. What's good or evil is their actions in using that power.

[Christmas]

As Sorceresses go, a Witch is a Witch; the source material (including the Ultimania) doesn't break it further than that. A Sorceress is a Sorceress. What's good or evil is their actions in using that power.

In the Japanese version, they are called witch, that is why came the theme song "Succession Of Witches".

[Qurange]

In the Japanese version, they are called witch, that is why came the theme song "Succession of the Witches".


Right. I wasn't questioning that. Unless you were trying to clarify for people who might not know? I was using the term because they're the same thing.

[Future Esthar]

Laguna in fact refers to "faeries" maybe because it was incorporated on FF8 mythology(as Qurange states).
But then mithology could just be based on legends.
These legends could represent events prior to WOTC.
I also believe Laguna was Vascaroon but somehow loosed memory.
But he and other characters could just have a vague idea about the existence of fairies before WOTC.
Rinoa(Ellone) could had been a fairy(the name the Centra people gave to a good sorceress) before WOTC without realizing it.And then after bringing her from her era Hyne make she loose memory and gave the name "Angel Wings" to her limit break.

[Christmas]

Laguna in fact refers to "faeries" maybe because it was incorporated on FF8 mythology(as Qurange states).
But then mithology could just be based on legends.
These legends could represent events prior to WOTC.
I also believe Laguna was Vascaroon but somehow loosed memory.
But he and other characters could just have a vague idea about the existence of fairies before WOTC.

Fairies still dun have white wings.


Rinoa(Ellone) could had been a fairy(the name the Centra people gave to a good sorceress) before WOTC without realizing it.And then after bringing her from her era Hyne make she loose memory and gave the name "Angel Wings" to her limit break.

http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1996-12-31/angel.jpg
http://www.stitchdirect.co.uk/acatalog/K4715.jpg

See the differences? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Future Esthar]

Well,we know that Rinoa is not an angel but a sorceress.
But was there any difference?No.
"Fairy" was probably the name that the Centra person gave to a good sorceress.
It´s not a fairy on the usual way.

[Christmas]

Well,we know that Rinoa is not an angel but a sorceress.
But was there any difference?No.

So?


"Fairy" was probably the name that the Centra person gave to a good sorceress.
It´s not a fairy on the usual way.

It is called "Hyne Descendant" by the people not actually limited to Centra.

[Qurange]

Well, it should be noted that Angel Wing was never named in dialogue; it's a descriptive term for her limit break, referring to the fact that when activated, she shows angelic wings.

There doesn't seem to be any support for linking faeries and the powers of the Sorceress, in dialogue or in the tutorial files. The mark of respect is, as Unknowns said, 'Hyne's Descendant'. Faeries were apparently relatively benign in FF8 (though my only support for this was that only good things were associated with them; snow, 'help' in battle), whereas the Sorceress power is usually feared, whether the witch in question is good or evil. Hyne, after all, was a very unpleasant deity, and it's in myth his power that the Sorceresses wield.

So, I don't see how faeries and Sorceresses can be linked.

[Future Esthar]

There doesn't seem to be any support for linking faeries and the powers of the Sorceress, in dialogue or in the tutorial files.

There isn´t because all people on FF8(which came from Centra) forgot about that link.
They probably know about faeries from arqueological data but they don´t remember the real facts about what a fairy was.
Since they(and the sorceresses) were brought from different eras and loosed their memory they loosed the memory about that link.

For instance,when we look at a good sorceress with white wings(like Rinoa) we see a resemblance with an angel which per se resembles what we know as a fairy.
Angels and faeries are not the same but look alike (not equal but similar).

[Qurange]

Angels and fairies don't look very alike at all in most myths, though--only the watered-down versions of those myths that are used on greeting cards and the like. Also, I think that, given the way that they were talked about in-game, if fairies are a part of the myth, it's as nature-spirits, rather than as otherworldly divinities. The problem is that angels and faeries are completely different kinds of myth, so trying to link the two isn't going to be a very strong foundation for many ideas.

It can be said that that's the link, as long as it's understood that there appears to be no canon evidence for the theory, and instead it's making up something based on FF8, rather than in FF8.

[Discord]

I'm actually pretty sure that at some point Laguna tells Squall or someone else that he always called them, i.e. Squal and co., the faeries. I'm fairly certain on this one.

[Qurange]

Yep, that was already stated a while back, I think.

[Future Esthar]

That´s because Quistis,Rinoa,Edea and Selphie were the only good sorceresses of the game.
Better,the only Sorceresses.

[Qurange]

Quistis and Selphie weren't Sorceresses at all, actually. And I'm not sure what you're referring to that Rinoa and Edea being the only Sorceresses explains.

[Future Esthar]

They were good sorceresses.
Good sorceresses were called fairies by the ancients.
They look like fairies.
Thus Laguna call them fairies.

Prove me that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses please.

[Qurange]

Prove to me that the ancients called good Sorceresses fairies.

And certainly, I'd be happy to. Firstly, we can be certain that Quistis and Selphie were not Sorceresses at the orphanage, because Edea specifically said that they were not; in fact, she said that she didn't want either of them to become Sorceresses. Therefore, as of the age of five or six, neither was a Sorceress. Then, they move on, and the events before they reach their Gardens are less clear, but indicate nothing out of the ordinary. Selphie was sent off to Trabia Garden and made lots of friends, and Quistis was sent to foster homes before eventually landing at Balamb Garden. From that point onward, we can account for their histories.

Nothing was said to indicate any particular unusual change, no situation put forth where they might have inherited the powers of a Sorceress. In fact, no Sorceresses were presented except for Rinoa, Edea, Ultimecia, and Adel. They acquired their unique abilities in training at the Garden, and then the game plot happened.

Rinoa became a Sorceress, and the multiple Sorceresses with which they all had contact all said nothing at all about Selphie or Quistis having those powers, even though it's reasonable to think that they may have sensed such things. In fact, later on, it was important to the plot that only Rinoa among the party was a Sorceress--the plot to trap Adel and force Ultimecia's hand relied on Rinoa, after all.

There is simply nothing to suggest that they're Sorceresses that can't be easily explained otherwise. It can be suggested that they're Sorceresses and don't know it because of their limit breaks, but if it had been unusual to use a magical limit break, I expect that Garden, which is a school that would be more expert than most in such matters, would have figured it out. Quistis and Selphie weren't Sorceresses.

[Future Esthar]

That is what we see on the game but you had not proofed that they weren´t sorceresses.

[Qurange]

Yes, I have. You can go and read it again; it proves it rather nicely. The game (and the Ultimania) are where all theories and statements on the game must base their evidence if they're going to be valid, after all, so what happens in the game is a good place to start.

More than that, you still haven't shown me that the ancients called good Sorceresses fairies or that Selphie, Rinoa, Quistis, and Edea looked anything at all like fairies. Please do so.

[Future Esthar]

No,you haven´t.

The only sorceresses we see on the game are Edea,Rinoa,Ulti,Adel.
Ulti supposedly lives on some other time which we can´t prove to be on the future.
It makes more sense if it was on the furthest past.Edea´s house will become Esthar Sorceress memorial on the furthest future on FF8.And Ulti´s castle will become Esthar´s presidencial Palace.It will stop travelling around the world as Garden and will rest near Winhill.

At Ulti´s time the castle will collapse in the end and after an earthquake it will be buried underground with part of it seen as Edea´s house.
Ulti will change her name to Edea along with her appearance.
And after the earthquake ( originated by the Lunar cry which wiped out Centra city) Centra era begins.

Sorceress Adel is more difficult to explain.

Suppose our characters were the Power Rangers.
At some time the Power Rangers funded to become ONE huge robot.
This is sorceress Adel.
You can also see Adel as some kind of Captain Planet.
They don´t fund intentionally.It was the enemy who doomed them.
This is a subject whose explanation is complex requiring an entire new thread so let´s move on.
Adel is the most powerful being of FF8.
So why does it look too easy?

When Laguna sealed Adel´s powers this powers were kept on a magic container inside the Memorial.
When Adel get back from Space the engineers tried to pass the powers inside the container to Rinoa so that Adel can´t get a hold of it.
However as we saw,Seifer tricked our characters and kidnapped Rinoa so that Adel could drain her powers back.
FORTUNATELY Rinoa has not all of Adel´s power because Squall freed her at the memorial cutting the magic transition tube.

Otherwise Adel would be almost impossible to defeat.

There were no other visible sorceresses on the game.
The ones we saw during "time compression" were Rinoa,Quistis,Selphie and Edea(Ulti) by this order.The resemblance is big.

[Qurange]

I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble making any sense of what you just said. Could you just point out what your problem is with the proof?

I see absolutely no reason to say that Edea and Ultimecia are the same person, or that the Sorceresses during time compression had anything at all to do with your party. If you think that they look alike, that's nice, but that's not evidence; I look like a friend of mine, but we're not the same person. The engineers didn't try to pass any powers, nor did they say they tried.

Adel is not an amalgamation of anything. She's a powerful Sorceress.

...And lastly, we know that Ultimecia lives in the far future. It was stated in-game, and when the party travelled through Time Compression, they travelled forward. When they came back, Squall went too far back, ending up at the orphanage and meeting Edea. There is absolutely no reason to think that the orphanage is Ultimecia's castle. The architecture is even different.

[Jiro]

Fairys are like butterflies but they have a human face and legs, really small or can be bigger, the have wings (diff colors maybe) They have powers. Like Tinkerbell or the 3 fairys offa sleeping beauty

[Christmas]

Anyway, there is a angelic theme going on within the game and note that those sorceress that play a major role in the game had something in common.

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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a155/Unknowns2/Ultimecia.jpg

All of them had wings like ornament or real wings as like Rinoa.
You can also go look at the opening movie or ending movie where you can see feathers all over and instead of whatever you claim.




Angels and faeries are not the same but look alike (not equal but similar).

Faeries have butterfly like wings while Angels have white/black..etc wings. There is a major differences in these if you use those eyes of yours or you just dun want to admit the fact.

You have the misconception of seeing angel and fairy as the same thing just because "fairies" is mentioned in the game while Angel is hardly mentioned.

But like what you alway do, if you use some of that brain of yours and graphical details which you alway claim you are so good at, you can see that there is this angelic theme going on and no, it isn't a fairy theme.

The limit breaks "Angel Wings" goes with the theme of it, also for the last time, fairy dun have white wings. That is why I tell you that Rinoa limit break is called "ANGEL WINGS" and not "FAIRY WINGS".

Adding your faeries stuff/craps onto it defy every single aspects of the theme


Prove me that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses please.

Right. Where do Quistis and Selphie got their powers from? If they got it from Rinoa which you claim that is their ancestor, then first go prove their family line of yours first before coming with this pointless statement.

[Future Esthar]

Alright,

Firstly, we can be certain that Quistis and Selphie were not Sorceresses at the orphanage, because Edea specifically said that they were not; in fact, she said that she didn't want either of them to become Sorceresses.

This proofs nothing because you don´t know if Edea is Ultimecia or not.
And even if they weren´t sorceresses now they had the right to become one by genealogy.
The thruth: Sorceress=Propagators from outer space who ruled over Centra after geting powers from an ancestor.There is only four generation on the dinasty.
The hoax:Any person can become a sorceress by receiving the powers of another.This happens indefinitely.
Let me tell you a little about FF8´s history:
Esthar was a country ruled by the evil Adel.
Sorceresses had been researched by Esthars scientists.
They were a closed country until they finally went to the "outside world".
Since they had a "sedentary" nature it was easy to deceive them into thinking that they were yet on the present.
They didn´t realized that the world was a WOTC world.
So they started to make research on sorceresses on the outside world and wrongly concluded the hoax.
This hoax was taught over the world and there you have.


Nothing was said to indicate any particular unusual change, no situation put forth where they might have inherited the powers of a Sorceress.

Of course not.People loosed memory and don´t remember the events prior to the creation of WOTC (which happened on a different event universe).


In fact, no Sorceresses were presented except for Rinoa, Edea, Ultimecia, and Adel.
I already explained my theories on the last two which can´t be really disproofed.


Rinoa became a Sorceress, and the multiple Sorceresses with which they all had contact all said nothing at all about Selphie or Quistis having those powers, even though it's reasonable to think that they may have sensed such things.

No one knows due to the reasons I already stated.
Nor the people from the Winhill Civilization nor the people from the Centra civilization.
Only Hyne which comes from the Winhill Civilization knows.
The entire Adel resistance members also knows about this (It was first discovered by Laguna,Kyros and Ward after they freed Elle and before they concealed Adel).


In fact, later on, it was important to the plot that only Rinoa among the party was a Sorceress--the plot to trap Adel and force Ultimecia's hand relied on Rinoa, after all.


Hyne knows there were more sorceresses on FF8 than Rinoa at that time.
He just happened to get Ulti inside Rinoa.
What a coincidence that Hyne choosed exactly the person Laguna and Odine choosed isn´t it?
Not necessarily.
Grandpa at Balamb-"He could even be watching you now" Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah:)


It can be suggested that they're Sorceresses and don't know it because of their limit breaks, but if it had been unusual to use a magical limit break, I expect that Garden, which is a school that would be more expert than most in such matters, would have figured it out. Quistis and Selphie weren't Sorceresses.


Don´t forget Edea uses Cid as a pawn to control Garden.And Edea is possessed by Hyne.

[Christmas]

Alright,


This proofs nothing because you don´t know if Edea is Ultimecia or not.
And even if they weren´t sorceresses now they had the right to become one by genealogy.
The thruth: Sorceress=Propagators from outer space who ruled over Centra after geting powers from an ancestor.There is only four generation on the dinasty.
The hoax:Any person can become a sorceress by receiving the powers of another.This happens indefinitely.
Let me tell you a little about FF8´s history:
Esthar was a country ruled by the evil Adel.
Sorceresses had been researched by Esthars scientists.
They were a closed country until they finally went to the "outside world".
Since they had a "sedentary" nature it was easy to deceive them into thinking that they were yet on the present.
They didn´t realized that the world was a WOTC world.
So they started to make research on sorceresses on the outside world and wrongly concluded the hoax.
This hoax was taught over the world and there you have.



Of course not.People loosed memory and don´t remember the events prior to the creation of WOTC (which happened on a different event universe).


I already explained my theories on the last two which can´t be really disproofed.



No one knows due to the reasons I already stated.
Nor the people from the Winhill Civilization nor the people from the Centra civilization.
Only Hyne which comes from the Winhill Civilization knows.
The entire Adel resistance members also knows about this (It was first discovered by Laguna,Kyros and Ward after they freed Elle and before they concealed Adel).



Hyne knows there were more sorceresses on FF8 than Rinoa at that time.
He just happened to get Ulti inside Rinoa.
What a coincidence that Hyne choosed exactly the person Laguna and Odine choosed isn´t it?
Not necessarily.
Grandpa at Balamb-"He could even be watching you now" Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah:)



Don´t forget Edea uses Cid as a pawn to control Garden.And Edea is possessed by Hyne.


http://www.videogamesprites.net/FinalFantasy6/NPCs/Empire/Kefka%20-%20Laugh.gif

[Qurange]

I'm talking about canon and canon-derived FF8, not the alternate universe FF8 you've created for your theories, FE. Unless you're willing to offer some proof from canon, I think we can put to rest the connection you're trying to make, and say that the faeries were Squall and company, and were maybe part of myth in FF8-world but had nothing to do with Sorceresses at all.

After all, you didn't even touch half of what I said in the first place, let alone put down any logical reasoning.

Also...

The idea that (nearly) anyone can become a Sorceress is not a hoax, it is stated in the game: the capacity to embody the Sorceress powers is required to become a sorceress, but no one can become a Sorceress without inheriting the powers. You can't just become a Sorceress because your mother was a Sorceress, unless she passes her powers to you.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no basis on which to state that Cid was Edea's pawn. If you want to put forth these ideas, show why anyone should believe them. If any idea turns what the game itself told you into a lie, there had better be a very good reason to think that idea is accurate, and you haven't provided that reason, other than 'I think it is so.' Taking statements out of context doesn't work, either.

[Christmas]

I think it is pretty ironic/hilarious that you post the same stuffs again from your previous threads to this one cause this chap here had no idea what is going on in the past.

The only stuff that is different is the faeries stuffs which I explained why it can't work.

Despite the fact I urged you to prove/explain the fact that certain events (eg.Propagators = EVERYONE.}did happens in my earlier posts/arguments, it appears that you ignored it and carried on.

Why dun you go put some more thinking in your stuffs before posting it here.

[Future Esthar]

Why dun you go put some more thinking in your stuffs before posting it here.


I put too much.


The only stuff that is different is the faeries stuffs which I explained why it can't work.


Invalid explanation.

How many times do I have to say that"IT DIDN´T MATTER IF FARIES HAD NOT WHITE WINGS.FARIES OFTEN SYMBOLIZES GOOD AND HAD WINGS.WHITE IS THE SYMBOL OF GOOD AND PURENESS.SO SQUARE DECIDED TO USE THE FAIRY SYMBOLISM TO REFER TO A GOOD SORCERESS.


After all, you didn't even touch half of what I said in the first place, let alone put down any logical reasoning.


Yes I did.I showed that it is impossible to proof Ulti is not Edea let alone that is she is saying the thruth or not ommiting something.



The idea that (nearly) anyone can become a Sorceress is not a hoax, it is stated in the game: the capacity to embody the Sorceress powers is required to become a sorceress, but no one can become a Sorceress without inheriting the powers. You can't just become a Sorceress because your mother was a Sorceress, unless she passes her powers to you.


I pretty much explained why people on ff8 hold to that idea.
I know a person is just a sorceress after receiving powers but only someone from the genealogical line can inherit it.A person from the legendary Centra dinasty can only pass her powers to another person of the same dinasty.
It just happens that Hyne performed WOTC so a pregnant woman on the region A can have 18 years age and find another woman which has 17 years and just happened to take a boat from B to A without realizing it was a time machine and on B she was on the future 17 years ahead from A.If the first was a sorceress and the last was her daughter she will pass her powers to her and say"See,it is not required to be a daughter.She was about my age".Of course if there is a researcher studying that without realizing the existence of WOTC this will probably be learned at the most conceptued schools and published at the most famous science magazines turning into a global hoax.

[Aurora_sword]

I've always thought it was just a saying within the Final Fantasy VIII world. Laguna's simply experiencing a strange feeling as Ellone sends back Squall's consciousness into the past and just like how we would say "Woah, deja vu" when we experience something that feels like it's happened before, Laguna has said "Huh? Faeries?" when Squall is 'inside him' (oh grow up)


Uoh that can be taken in a so very wrong way!
FANGIRLS!!!


faeries are just, you know like, laguna seems like the type of guy who likes fairy tale...

[Qurange]

It just happens that Hyne performed WOTC so a pregnant woman on the region A can have 18 years age and find another woman which has 17 years and just happened to take a boat from B to A without realizing it was a time machine and on B she was on the future 17 years ahead from A.If the first was a sorceress and the last was her daughter she will pass her powers to her and say"See,it is not required to be a daughter.She was about my age".Of course if there is a researcher studying that without realizing the existence of WOTC this will probably be learned at the most conceptued schools and published at the most famous science magazines turning into a global hoax.

This isn't evidence. This is a situation concocted to fit your theory, not evidence from the game on which to base it. This works for your AU, but it simply doesn't hold up when compared to other ideas about how the powers are passed on.

There's no real reason to believe this over the simple and more reasonable explanation given in the game. The Information files don't lie.

[Christmas]

Invalid explanation.

How many times do I have to say that"IT DIDN´T MATTER IF FARIES HAD NOT WHITE WINGS.FARIES OFTEN SYMBOLIZES GOOD AND HAD WINGS.WHITE IS THE SYMBOL OF GOOD AND PURENESS.SO SQUARE DECIDED TO USE THE FAIRY SYMBOLISM TO REFER TO A GOOD SORCERESS.

But WHITE is SOMETHING THE FAIRIES DUN HAVE. How can it be used to symbolize something where it doesn't have any relevant qualities to represent it?

So we can use Devil to symbolize goodness and love since the devil doesn't really need to have any qualities to represent goodness and love so as to symbolize it. Oh ya, the devil had wings too, you know or a Dove.

And if you rephrase it, Most Angels had white wings. Angels usually symbolized good and pureness. But no one said here Angel represent good sorceress. Can't you even see through such a tiny little loophole in your stuff???

[Aerith's Knight]

you guys really wanna know what it is.. very simple.. everyone has a gaurdian angel.. only some ppl dont believe in them.. so they called them fearies.. things that watch over you and protect you.. and angels had white wings so it is possible that ppl said that fairy's had white wings.. thats y laguna says that it was the fearies because they gave him strenth.. you ppl btw dun have much to do all day do you?

[Christmas]

and angels had white wings so it is possible that ppl said that fairy's had white wings

Does that mean Angels will have butterfly like wings too?

[muzzer]

Prove me that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses please.
this might help(taken from squarehybrid.com):choc: :moomba:

In Final Fantasy VIII, a witch/sorceress inherits their powers through being a descendant of the great god Hyne. Hyne was an entity of magic, and during her reign over the people of the world, a war broke out. During this time of fear and death, Hyne chose to flee from the sight of man. Leaving part of herself behind as she left the world.

The people who absorbed this 'left over' part of Hyne, were women, and these women developed the ability to use and control magic. These female magic users became sorceresses and were named Hyne's Descendants. Sorceresses live forever, unless mortally defeated, in which case the sorceress must find a female recipient to pass their powers onto, so that they may accept death in peace.

As most believe believe, the FFVIII world is that of a continuous loop, a circular time warp if you will, where certain events just repeat forever. Ultimecia is defeated by Squall...Ultimecia passes her powers onto Edea...Edea accidentally transfers her powers onto Rinoa...Rinoa is/becomes Ultimecia...Ultimecia is defeated by Squall... it's a circular sequence of events. Which is the thing that makes FFVIII so amazingly complex, intriguing and interesting.

Adel, of course is a sorceress too, but like many other women who absorbed Hyne's powers, she just isn't a main part of those events. As she received her powers from the 'original source'. Some witches, like Edea, are given their powers at a very young age. As Edea states she came into her magic at five years of age, but then again received a new dose of power from Ultimecia.

So from this, we can make the assumption that magic is sometimes passes on from the original Descendants of Hyne, from mother to daughter, and the powers lie dormant until they are awoken, and sometimes witches come into their power by them specifically being given to them by another full fledged sorceress.

There are of course, many possibilities, the majority of which are strongly backed up by evidence in the game if you make sure you pay close heed to everything that is said. But everyone is free to make their own assumptions. I personally believe in the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory, but many don't, because they just haven't payed attention to all the subtle hints and secrets that are revealed through out the story.

[Qurange]

this might help(taken from squarehybrid.com):choc: :moomba:

In Final Fantasy VIII, a witch/sorceress inherits their powers through being a descendant of the great god Hyne. Hyne was an entity of magic, and during her reign over the people of the world, a war broke out. During this time of fear and death, Hyne chose to flee from the sight of man. Leaving part of herself behind as she left the world.

The people who absorbed this 'left over' part of Hyne, were women, and these women developed the ability to use and control magic. These female magic users became sorceresses and were named Hyne's Descendants. Sorceresses live forever, unless mortally defeated, in which case the sorceress must find a female recipient to pass their powers onto, so that they may accept death in peace.

As most believe believe, the FFVIII world is that of a continuous loop, a circular time warp if you will, where certain events just repeat forever. Ultimecia is defeated by Squall...Ultimecia passes her powers onto Edea...Edea accidentally transfers her powers onto Rinoa...Rinoa is/becomes Ultimecia...Ultimecia is defeated by Squall... it's a circular sequence of events. Which is the thing that makes FFVIII so amazingly complex, intriguing and interesting.

Adel, of course is a sorceress too, but like many other women who absorbed Hyne's powers, she just isn't a main part of those events. As she received her powers from the 'original source'. Some witches, like Edea, are given their powers at a very young age. As Edea states she came into her magic at five years of age, but then again received a new dose of power from Ultimecia.

So from this, we can make the assumption that magic is sometimes passes on from the original Descendants of Hyne, from mother to daughter, and the powers lie dormant until they are awoken, and sometimes witches come into their power by them specifically being given to them by another full fledged sorceress.

There are of course, many possibilities, the majority of which are strongly backed up by evidence in the game if you make sure you pay close heed to everything that is said. But everyone is free to make their own assumptions. I personally believe in the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory, but many don't, because they just haven't payed attention to all the subtle hints and secrets that are revealed through out the story.

Well, for one, I actually kind of already proved that Quistis and Selphie aren't Sorceresses--and not all of this actually fits with the canon. (I don't mean any of this as an attack, obviously; you didnt' write it, and the author seems to have put a good bit of thought into it.)

Sorceresses do not have extended lifespans, for one. ...And as far as I'm concerned, FF8 is not in some sort of cyclical time loop, not in total, at least. Time does not end with Ultimecia--I don't know where their source is that most people believe that, but most FF8 fans I know believe nothing of the sort.

More than that, Hyne was male--and the legend is a bit more complicated than all of that. It's a nice essay, but it could use a rewrite.

It's kind of insulting that you would say that I don't believe in R=U because I 'haven't paid attention to the game', especially when quite the opposite is true. If you pay attention to canon, R=U is simply not the case.

[Future Esthar]

Merry Christmas,Christmas.See ya on 25/12/2005.Santa Claus is not forgetting you. (kidding)