Final Fantasy Extreme?

[Starboard Regulator FlareNUKE]

Why should Final Fantasy Extreme (FF5) have it's own forum if Final Fantasy II (SNES version) does not even though it is much more popular? You should either give FF2us it's own forum or mash FF5 into that cludder of FFI-IV

[Soul of Tarsis]

Because FFV is better.

[Loony BoB]

I still think we should split that forum up already. It's not like we're so small a community that it's not warranted. Also, we'll get more hits from people searching for the phrases "Final Fantasy II", "Final Fantasy III" and "Final Fantasy IV" since the "I-IV" won't make those searches flunky for us.

It's also worth thinking about recategorising those forums, because shoving them all under one big Square Enix category is messy as hell. Having said that, I can't think of a decent way to recategorise them.

[NeoCracker]

1-2
3-4
5
6
Ect.

Just a though

[Mo-Nercy]

Splitting them all up (1, 2, 3, 4 etc.) seems like a good idea.

Instead of the big ol' Square Enix category, we could group by console:

NES: 1, 2, 3
SNES: 4, 5, 6

etc.

Although I guess that won't really work since games have been ported to handhelds and other consoles. Urgh. It might just end up worse.

[Agent Proto]

How about split the Square-Enix forums into three, Old School (1-VI), New School (VII-XII), Misc. (Non-standard FFs, other Squeenix series, etc.)

Old School*
FFI
FFII
FFIII
FFIV
FFV
FFVI

New School*
Final Fantasy VII
FFVII - Dirge of Cerberus
FFVII - Advent Children
FFVIII
FFIX
FFX
FFX-2
FFXI
FFXII

Miscellaneous*
General FF
FFT
FFTA
FFCC
VGM/TSW
CT/CC
KH
General S-E

<small>* Subject to change.</small>

Just a thought.

[Loony BoB]

That is quite possibly the best idea Proto has come up with in donkey years.

[Soul of Tarsis]

There would probably be fights over whether to classify FFVI as new school or old school…


And if there wasn’t there should be.

[Upriser Spearmint!]

FFVI is clearly old school, it was actually a good game.

[Agent Proto]

Old School would possibly be before Square ditched Nintendo in favor of RPG friendly PlayStation.

[Behold the Void]

I like Proto's idea, and really with all of the ports we're seeing it probably would warrant some of the earlier Final Fantasies having their own forums.

[Old Manus]

Final Fantasy (all games)

[Raistlin]

Is it time for another one of these threads already?

It's been like this for 6 years, this is how it should stay. Of course, I don't give a damn as I very rarely venture into the gaming forums anymore, but we can't let these newbies get the run of the place.

[Loony BoB]

Is it time for another one of these threads already?

It's been like this for 6 years, this is how it should stay. Of course, I don't give a damn as I very rarely venture into the gaming forums anymore, but we can't let these newbies get the run of the place.
I've decided that this time I'm actually going to push for the change, though. People are right when they say that, with the old games being re-released (along with the fact that over the past year we've been growing at a much faster rate than earlier times), it's time we got with the times.

EDIT: Note to self, if we do this, remember to get the forums links in the frontsite sections adjusted.

[Yamaneko]

Cid needs to approve this.

[Raistlin]

Cid needs to approve this.
Oh, well, good luck with that. I guess the forums are safe for another couple of months, at least.

[edczxcvbnm]

I like how the forums are. I think splitting them up into sub catagories such as New School and Old school is stupid. I like the big ass block below normal stuff.

[Yamaneko]

What constitutes old and new school exactly? I mean FFVII is almost nine years old already. That's pretty old school to me. The PS1 is soon going to be two hardware generations behind.

[Raistlin]

FFT requires its own forum. Even keeping it to just one forum is dangerous, as it may explode from sheer awesomeness at any time.

[Cz]

How about split the Square-Enix forums into three, Old School (1-VI), New School (VII-XII), Misc. (Non-standard FFs, other Squeenix series, etc.)

Old School*
FFI
FFII
FFIII
FFIV
FFV
FFVI

New School*
Final Fantasy VII
FFVII - Dirge of Cerberus
FFVII - Advent Children
FFVIII
FFIX
FFX
FFX-2
FFXI
FFXII

Miscellaneous*
General FF
FFT
FFTA
FFCC
VGM/TSW
CT/CC
KH
General S-E

* Subject to change.

Just a thought.
That is quite possibly the best idea Proto has come up with in donkey years.
I like Proto's ideaOh, so because Proto thinks it's a good idea, it's finally going to get changed?

...heck, I don't have a problem with that. Yay progress! :D

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

1-2
3-4
5
6
Ect.

Just a thoughAre you channeling Krissy?

[XxSephirothxX]

It doesn't really bother me the way they are, but if they're reorganized, I think what Proto outlined is really the most obvious and best way to go. I've always thought the combination of The Spirits Within and video game music was a little awkward, and Crystal Chronicles seems like it could easily dissolve into the General Final Fantasy forum, as it's pretty dead as a standalone category. And if we wanted to save space, we could always but the Final Fantasy Tactics games together, but I'm sure that's a no-go because too many people would whine about how FFT is better.

[Behold the Void]

we could always but the Final Fantasy Tactics games together, but I'm sure that's a no-go because too many people would whine about how FFT is better.

That's 'cause it is.

[Upriser Spearmint!]

Wouldn't it be a huge pain to organise and split up one forum into four?

I mean, it would actually require work!

[Loony BoB]

I'd definitely be against merging any of the FF's, or removing FFCC. Even if they're quiet.

EDIT: And yes, it's a fair bit of work, but that's for us staffers to worry about. :) We managed the Art/Writing split, this should be just another day on the job.

[Old Manus]

Bob sounds so burdened in that edit

[Dr Unne]

Haven't we put to rest this UTTER INSANITY ages ago?

[Loony BoB]

Hey, Unne, don't butt in. Let's leave this to the regular posters.

[Agent Proto]

It's a new era, EoFF needs to catch up to the masses. You can't stay in the past forever.

[edczxcvbnm]

Here is how it should go down

FF Games
FF I
FF IV
FF V
FF MQ
FF VII
FF VII: Cerberus
FF VII: Other(By the time advent talk dies out crisis core will start coming up)
FF IX
FF X
FF XII

The Rest of the crap
FF II
FF III
FF VI
FF VIII
FF X-2
FF XI
FF Tactics
FF The movie no one saw
FF Music
FF General

Other Squenix games
Xeno
Chrono
King DAM Hearts
General Squenix

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

It's a new era, EoFF needs to catch up to the masses. You can't stay in the past forever.Yes, we cannot afford to fall behind the rest of the Internet message boards in the aspect of forum topic organization. This is serious business.

[Psychotic]

I was tempted to agree with ed, but then I noticed he had put FFX in FF games.

[edczxcvbnm]

To be fair I have not played FFX although I have beat the game. I only put it there because I thought the final boss music was rockin. FFX can go with the rest of the crap based on Psychotic's word.

[Doomie]

The problem with Proto's idea is that eventually we will get so many "New Schools" that it will end up as choppy and messy as it is now.

I think we should do:

NES
SNES
PSX
PS2
OTHER

[edczxcvbnm]

Wait...I got this one. This is even better than my last idea

General
-General Chat
-Eyes on Each Other
-Lounge
-General Gaming
-Final Fantasy(EVERYTHING GOES HERE)
-Art Fart
-Write Fight

Staff Stuff
-Site Staff
-Memories
-Help
-Feedback

[Cz]

If we can get away with changing the site's colour scheme to brown, we can get away with anything.

[Raistlin]

This is how it should go down:

Section: Final Fantasy
Forums:
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy VII
Other FF crap

[Agent Proto]

The problem with Proto's idea is that eventually we will get so many "New Schools" that it will end up as choppy and messy as it is now.


Yes, I'm aware of that, but when is there going to be another "FF" after FFXII? Not for another year or two at best, and FFXII isn't even out yet!

[Psychotic]

But, Mr. Proto, when FFXIX comes out, the future people are going to curse your very existance. Do you want to upset the future people? Do you? I don't, because they probably have robots and lasers and robots that fire lasers.

[Dreddz]

Just put FFV and VI in the classics and give every other game its own Forum.

[Agent Proto]

Yeah, and I bet they can travel thru time to punish me. Ooh, I'm scared of the future.

[XxSephirothxX]

Perhaps an "Oh, Enough Already" section can be added after the release of Final Fantasy XII or XIII.

[NeoCracker]

Are you channeling Krissy?
Yes, I have fused with the soul of Krissy, whoever that is. It wants me to tell you your the father. Anyhow, I'm rejecting that spirit in favor of proto, and if this forum is still out by ff XV, then we can go ahead and redo it, like so many other times this forum has been tampered with.

[Dignified Pauper]

I really think it should go by generation rather than system. since the GC FF:CC would go under the Playstation two era, therefor eliminating it's own category.

So...
Final Fantasy - main category
Generation 1 - sub category
FF1
FF2
FF3

Generation 2 - sub cate
FF4
FF5
FF6

Generation 3 - sub
FF7
FF8
FF9
FFT

Generation 4 - sub
FF10
FF10-2
FF11
FF12
FFTA
FFCC

Other Square Enix games. - Main Category



I think this would be a sound system, therefor, we can add a Generation 5 when we get to the PS3 era of gaming.

[Raistlin]

FFT fits into Gen 4...how? It came out before FF8.

[Dignified Pauper]

slight error, regardless, i think it's just a mix of proto's version and the person who said to do it by console, we can call it a compromise if you will.

[Del Murder]

I-III
IV
others stay the same

With the rerelease of IV for GBA this makes sense. Of course, III may be coming out for DS eventually, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Proto's idea is good, if not for the problem Doomie stated.

I don't see why Sean needs to approve this. We've added/removed forums without his permission before.

[Raistlin]

I-III
IV
others stay the same

I could agree with this.

[Leeza]

All in all, it's whatever Cid agrees with. :cat:

[NeoCracker]

My vote now changes to piper. Yes, I am very fickle when it comes to such things

[Dignified Pauper]

That's pauper.

And I'm glad someone took some recognition to it, I think it works better than the other two system as it allows a better dividing branch for future games, where as, as soon as the next gen consoles are released, we can add the next generation category for the new games. Therefore, we also add a time line from the late 80's all the way to present.

[Loony BoB]

While I agree with Marick's naming idea (First Generation, Second Generation, etc), I don't think it should be done with subcatgories for a start as that would only add to the mess, nor do I agree with having categories for three games. I say we go with Proto's three categories, but have them named First Generation, Second Generation, and then, to save on predictability of "Misc" or "Other", we can go with the correct answer, which is obviously "Yes".

Also, with the ever-increasing likelihood of re-released of the earlier FF's, I think that making it FFI-III and FFIV would defeat the purpose of splitting up those forums. Even if they aren't re-released, I still think they all deserve their own forum. Having a whole lot of games in one forum doesn't make people start threads about the other games than what they're playing any faster. The only difference is that it adds to confusion. I see no benefit whatsoever when it comes to keeping the early FF's together.

EDIT: I've raised this up in the Staff Forum, so now we can just wait and see.

[Dignified Pauper]

the only problem with proto's system is that not all the games were released under the same generations applied in old school and new schoold. There are 2 game systems for each old and new schools. I dunno, I guess I don't mind 3 forums in a category.

[Loony BoB]

the only problem with proto's system is that not all the games were released under the same generations applied in old school and new schoold. There are 2 game systems for each old and new schools. I dunno, I guess I don't mind 3 forums in a category.
Yes, but with nearly all the games now (or soon to be) covering multiplatform, that doesn't really matter anymore.

[Starboard Regulator FlareNUKE]

What constitutes old and new school exactly? I mean FFVII is almost nine years old already. That's pretty old school to me. The PS1 is soon going to be two hardware generations behind.

Sadly, people like to assume any 3-D game is new-school...

[Agent Proto]

I'm only making the divide when the change of graphics were made.

Notice the difference from FFVI to FFVII

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<img src="http://www.eyesonff.com/ff6/images/screenshots/FF6Snes6.jpg">
<i>Final Fantasy VI</i>

<img src="http://www.eyesonff.com/images/screens/ff7_2/1-04.jpg">
<i>Final Fantasy VII</i></center>

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, anyone who can't see that the change between VI and VII is the significant one when it comes to the FF series needs their [something] checked.

Also, the proposal is using "First Generation" and "Second Generation", not "New School" and "Old School", so yeah.

[Shaun]

Split them up by whether they're Sony generation or Nintendo generation. And add a misc. one for the rest.

EDIT: I noticed you said practically the same thing, BoB. Oh well. :tongue:

[Agent Proto]

I would like to suggest, if the change is made, that FFVII: Advent Children be movied to Misc., since it's not a playable sequel to FFVII.

[Loony BoB]

That won't happen given that if we seperate the VII forums in such a way, it would only lead to a constant string of redirected threads in the VII forum. It's also just messy. Once you come down to it, VII:AC is just an extended FMV sequence to do with the same story, anyway.

[Agent Proto]

Ah, oh well. =p

[Dignified Pauper]

However, what will we do when we get to FFXII or XIII make a generation jump? There's definitely a graphical quality from III to IV and from VI to VII and from IX to X, that's because of the system. I dunno, i think just jumping from 2-d to 3-d isn't really sound. Because all the future games are going to be 3-d and so we'll run into the generation 2 eing just as full and huge as the way things are now. Not to push my system more and sound like I am just being annoying, but my idea prevents the over-abundance of games mentioned in any single group and allows growth in the future.

Edit: Let's face it, the next changes to FF's will all be gradual in the steps of 3-d. FFXII and FFXIII will be pretty similar in graphics, excpet for the fact that FFXIII will utuilize some more crisp images and probably a little bit updated versions; so how can they be put in the same category as FFVII

[NeoCracker]

Maby the will invent 4-d?

[Dignified Pauper]

we live in 3-d, the 4th dimension mathematically is time.

[Agent Proto]

Marick, of course there's likely going to be a change in the future. Hwever, there are currently about 15 games in the FF series (including FFX-2 and the FFVII sequels). Right now, it's logical to divide the series based from the jump from 2D to 3D. When the time comes, I'm quite sure EoFF will need another change, and that's not likely going to happen for a couple years, when Square-Enix plan to make even more Final Fantasys.

[NeoCracker]

we live in 3-d, the 4th dimension mathematically is time.

So they will start inventing games that are beaten as soon as your halfway done with it. niffty huh?
And that depends on which demension theory you go by. I've heard a few.

Edit: Before I forget, would these mean that Kingdom Hearts and Chrono Trigger will be tossed in with General Enix? I say we make one additional Forum section and Call it Enix for all other Enix games.
Subcatagories will be Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts 2, FF Music, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Possibly Xenogears, and then Other Enix.

Just a suggestion

[Dignified Pauper]

Marick, of course there's likely going to be a change in the future. Hwever, there are currently about 15 games in the FF series (including FFX-2 and the FFVII sequels). Right now, it's logical to divide the series based from the jump from 2D to 3D. When the time comes, I'm quite sure EoFF will need another change, and that's not likely going to happen for a couple years, when Square-Enix plan to make even more Final Fantasys.

if you can prevent future work now, why not do it? Besides, Graphical jumps won't be made as drastic as the 2-d to 3-d jump. Things will be more gradual and continual, not immediately different and new like the jump was from SNES to PS, therefor, there won't really be a next generation graphically, except by system; 3-d is simply going to keep evolving into slightly better versions of the previous.

[Agent Proto]

Of course. But I'm not worried about the future, I'm more worried about the present, and shouldn't that be the highest priority now for this forum?

[Loony BoB]

Marick, going by that idea that we should prepare for the future, we may as well put every forum into it's own category in preparation for all the spinoffs. :) Categories should be made for the existing forums, not the far-off. I say again that if you don't see the biggest change in style being from FFVI to FFVII then you need to get your [something] checked. It is without a doubt the turning point in the FF series, regardless of whether you see it as for the better or for the worse.

Also, again, we won't be making categories with just three games in them anytime soon. The idea is to tidy things up a little. Not to mention (again) that games are released on multiple platforms these days, so sorting them by console simply wouldn't work.

Proto's right, we should concern ourselves with the present, not the future, especially when SE is moving as slowly as it is these days when it comes to releasing new games.

[Dignified Pauper]

Marick, going by that idea that we should prepare for the future, we may as well put every forum into it's own category in preparation for all the spinoffs. :) Categories should be made for the existing forums, not the far-off. I say again that if you don't see the biggest change in style being from FFVI to FFVII then you need to get your [something] checked. It is without a doubt the turning point in the FF series, regardless of whether you see it as for the better or for the worse.
Note, i never said anything about their graphical change being bad, nor did I imply it, please don't imply that I did. I never said it wasn't a turning point, it is obvious in fact, however, we're never going to have another drastic turning point such as this, it will be continually gradual from now on, so once we get to FFXIX or XX, assuming they get that far and that it doesn't matter that we won't be here, we'd be in the same boat as we are now. Also, there is a HUGE graphical lunge between III to IV, not by dimension, but rather by sheer color and detail.



Also, again, we won't be making categories with just three games in them anytime soon. The idea is to tidy things up a little. Not to mention (again) that games are released on multiple platforms these days, so sorting them by console simply wouldn't work.
Well, my system wasn't to list them by consoles individually, but rather the generation of systems (that is the time period) of which the game would be released. I thought that was obvious, thus I avoided things being released by console and rather just slumped the group of systems released at the same time under the same generation, which they are. Also, what is wrong with having 3 games per category? Is that really a problem? We have the reference section with 3 forums and the staff section with 1 forum. What is it going to hurt to help the future of EoFF out in order so they don't have to go through the hassle of re-arranging the forum once again. I'm not understanding the logic that the future simply doesn't matter.



Proto's right, we should concern ourselves with the present, not the future, especially when SE is moving as slowly as it is these days when it comes to releasing new games.
Square isn't really going that slowly at all. Especially in the way American standards are going. From FFII to FFIV, we had to skip FFIII, and the same with FFIV to FFVI. We had to wait for FFV's creation. Also, these were all spaced out by relatively a year to a year and a half which is the release dates now per FF game. Just because Square took time from the number system to add in X-2, chronicles, tactics advance, doesn't mean they are going slower, it means they are adding games in the same amount of time. Also, Square has been doing is remakes of games, which are being released in the same amount of time as all their other games. This doesn't mean Square is going slower, it just means they've taken a break from the numbering in the series. It is bound to pick back up after the release of III enhanced version.

I don't mean to seem like a jerk and try to be difficult, but I just think it'd be in everyone's best interest if we sorted it up by gaming generation.

[Del Murder]

How many people who have posted in this thread even visit those forums regularly?

[Upriser Spearmint!]

Isn't it normal for most members to visit feedback?

[Loony BoB]

*removes the completely unnecessary bold and underline tags*

Okay.

Note, i never said anything about their graphical change being bad, nor did I imply it, please don't imply that I did. I never said it wasn't a turning point, it is obvious in fact, however, we're never going to have another drastic turning point such as this, it will be continually gradual from now on, so once we get to FFXIX or XX, assuming they get that far and that it doesn't matter that we won't be here, we'd be in the same boat as we are now. Also, there is a HUGE graphical lunge between III to IV, not by dimension, but rather by sheer color and detail.
Not as huge as the difference between VI and VII, though. And you do realise that FFXIX won't be released for about 5-10 years, right? We can deal with that problem when the need arises.


Well, my system wasn't to list them by consoles individually, but rather the generation of systems (that is the time period) of which the game would be released. I thought that was obvious, thus I avoided things being released by console and rather just slumped the group of systems released at the same time under the same generation, which they are. Also, what is wrong with having 3 games per category?
It's really messy.

Is that really a problem?
Yes.

We have the reference section with 3 forums and the staff section with 1 forum.
The staff category actually contains a lot more than three forums. The reference category is completely different to the other categories, too, because the stuff there simply doesn't fit into any other category. The split of the Square category, if it goes ahead, wouldn't be to tidy up the forums while keeping the category system as simple as possible at the same time.

What is it going to hurt to help the future of EoFF out in order so they don't have to go through the hassle of re-arranging the forum once again. I'm not understanding the logic that the future simply doesn't matter.
The future doesn't matter because the future isn't the present. The present is our priority. The future will matter in however many years down the line. I mean, you don't see us creating the FFXIII forum just now, do you? There's a good reason for that. It's not the future yet. When the time comes, we will create that forum. Until the time comes, there is no need for it. When the time comes, we may further split the categories. Until the time comes, there is no need for it. This isn't a "look to the future" thing. This is a "Tidy up the forums" thing. Reorganising isn't exactly something we're entirely limited to and we can simply adjust whenever we see the need to do so. It's not hard, man. Don't freak out that we might have to readjust in a year or in five years or whatever - we can handle that. We'll keep deaths at a minimum.

Square isn't really going that slowly at all. Especially in the way American standards are going. From FFII to FFIV, we had to skip FFIII, and the same with FFIV to FFVI. We had to wait for FFV's creation. Also, these were all spaced out by relatively a year to a year and a half which is the release dates now per FF game. Just because Square took time from the number system to add in X-2, chronicles, tactics advance, doesn't mean they are going slower, it means they are adding games in the same amount of time. Also, Square has been doing is remakes of games, which are being released in the same amount of time as all their other games. This doesn't mean Square is going slower, it just means they've taken a break from the numbering in the series. It is bound to pick back up after the release of III enhanced version.
Either way, it'll be a long time before we see any huge need to change the proposed three-category system. It's taken, at a guess, 11-12 new forums before we even considered splitting the Square category (ie, now). That's six years, man. Six years. That's a long time. Also, as I said, it doesn't matter if we reorganise the forums every year, so long as it's best layout given the forums that are actually there.


I don't mean to seem like a jerk and try to be difficult, but I just think it'd be in everyone's best interest if we sorted it up by gaming generation.
I don't mean to be a jerk or to appear difficult either, but I totally disagree. :) With such things that can be changed in seconds, like this, and that do not cause a single problem outside aesthetics, there is no drama when it comes to "planning for the future" because we can simply deal with the future problems when they come up, but they won't be problems for some time so... well... there's no problem. :)

You really should avoid using bold underline all up and down your post like that, btw. It doesn't look good at all, especially from someone with a journalism background of some sort. It makes it difficult to read.

Regardless, we're discussing all of this in Staff now so I'm sure you guys will see the end result when we get there.

[Miriel]

What's the big deal? Just mix it up and put FFXI at the top of the list. :)

[Dignified Pauper]

You really should avoid using bold underline all up and down your post like that, btw. It doesn't look good at all, especially from someone with a journalism background of some sort. It makes it difficult to read.



Actually, it's more common than you might think, but it's more involved within scholarly essays in the emphasis of the overall points since most of what they say is drivel, which I won't lie, a lot of what I say tends to be drivel :)

[Loony BoB]

I just assume that everything that I say is drivel, thus making any emphasis on any of my words utterly pointless.

[Raistlin]

We all assume that everything you say is drivel too, BooB, thus making actually reading anything you post utterly pointless.

oh snap

[Loony BoB]

We all assume that everything you say is drivel too, BooB, thus making actually reading anything you post utterly pointless.

oh snap
And yet you keep on reading them.

[Raistlin]

:love:

[Del Murder]

Of course he reads them, or else he'd have nothing to complain about.

[Loony BoB]

FFIV should for the most part be done, but I haven't played these games for a while so I might have missed some threads. If so, just post the links to them in this thread. Try not to get FFIV threads confused with multi-game threads (such as "Which FFI-IV character are you!?" stuff).

[crashNUMBERS]

:O This is the best idea ever!! Better then my suggestion!! Now I can actually post in those forums more. Why?? I dunno!!