The other possessed shumis.

[Future Esthar]

I had already talked about those but:

Martine is possessed by Laguna.

Zone is possessed by Laguna.

Watts is possessed by Ward.

The Forest owl member sitting on the couch is possessed by the old Adel resistence member which was on the prison with Laguna.

The Forest owl member controlling the train is possessed by the guy guarding the Lunatic Pandora facility which is also a member of the Adel resistance member.

The Forest owl member standing next to the previous one is possessed by Kyros.

The floating guard who attacks Squall on Galbadia Garden is possessed by either Laguna or Kyros or Ward (I don´t know).

Biggs and Wedge works for Laguna secretly.
They are responsible for the maintenance of a primitive version of the junction machine.
There is an agreement between Laguna and them in which they shall use the machine (on Galbadia) to send Laguna and company´s counsciousness to the past.
Maybe Laguna told them Hyne´s secrets and they decided to work for him.
Of course they pretend loyalty to Deling(Hyne).

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

It was requested that you not make too many threads about your theories. You already have a few at the moment, please do not make more for awhile.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

FE, just stick to one thread for the possession thing. also, stop making treads about topics we already covered and proven u incompetant of giving back reasonable...reasons, ok?

[Paninipower123]

Can you please devote all your theories into one whole thread? I think then we'd all be able to "interpret" your theories better.

[Discord]

Mamma mia, here I go again
My my, how can I resist you?
Mamma mia, does it show again?
My my, just how much I've missed you


Is the only phrase that suits the situation well.

[xX.Silver.Wings.Xx]

You possesion theories seem a bit random...do you have any proof?

[Future Esthar]

Yes,they seem.I copy the information into the "List of person possessed by Hyne thread"

[Desert Wolf]

What the hell is this about!?!Did you dream this aswell?Whats worse is people actually believe your theories.

[Noj_R]

You possesion theories seem a bit random...do you have any proof?

Just ignore him, no he NEVER presents any proof, so dont ask for any....
Whenever he gets owned in one thread he makes another. This cowardly phenomenon is known as the FE - POT = NTT theory which can be proven by simply observing his actions in the forums. This ( Future Esthar cannot Prove His Theories so he makes New Theory Threads ) theory describes his actions perfectly and is proven...;)

His posession theories are without merit, and the only reason he made this new one is cause he couldnt back up his other theory threads with proof.

[dante the demon prince]

isnt the thing under the blabam garden possed by something and thats why it tries to kill me

[Desert Wolf]

Mabe FE's possesed by Hyne too.

[Future Esthar]

Don´t kid with that Desert Wolf:mad2:

the machine is there on Galbadia,I see it.

And no,that´s not cowardy.That is freedom of speech.


isnt the thing under the blabam garden possed by something and thats why it tries to kill me

On the Md level?

Yes it is.I forgot to mention but every monster which appears in key points on the game are possessed.Granaldo,the oil spoiler monster,Abadon,etc..

Why do you think the monsters went into winhill?

And do you think that the monsters cut the HD cables accidentaly?
That would be great ingenuity from you.

[Desert Wolf]

Why not...........you mean its more than a game!?!Good........god.

[dante the demon prince]

i think the monsters went into winhill by the orders of adel

[Future Esthar]

You are too close there dante.

[Desert Wolf]

i think the monsters went into winhill by the orders of adel

We can all think but theres no proof to say your right or wrong.We juts dont know.

[Dragon Ash]

Mabe FE's possesed by Hyne too.

Don´t kid with that Desert Wolf:mad2:
Me thinks the gent doth protest too much...

[Discord]

Hmm... I wish, I knew what I could write now.


Mabe FE's possesed by Hyne too.


I agree with FE here. Don't mess with that. If FE is right, the Hyne must exist in our world, meaning that we might all be under his control. You never know, insult Hyne one day, loose your mind and have a traffic accident the next morning. Dangerous stuff we are dealing with here.;)

Though I think, FE is wrong nevertheless, cause somebody couldn't be bothered to state any based argument. I mean, the one about the Date of FFVIII and Lunar Cry in Galbadia weren't too bad, but then Hyne, "beautiful" and the hol walls came in... again.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Don´t kid with that Desert Wolf:mad2:

the machine is there on Galbadia,I see it.

And no,that´s not cowardy.That is freedom of speech.



On the Md level?

Yes it is.I forgot to mention but every monster which appears in key points on the game are possessed.Granaldo,the oil spoiler monster,Abadon,etc..

Why do you think the monsters went into winhill?

And do you think that the monsters cut the HD cables accidentaly?
That would be great ingenuity from you.

here's a reason. THEY ARE MONSTERS!:mad: they do as they please. they went into winhill because that's what they do. they kill and take over. it's THAT simple! granaldo was a monster in the training area that was hardly ever seen, the oilboyles were there because im pretty sure that shumi guy put them there(or they were just little monsters to start with and lived in the oil and grew after the how many years that that place was closed down). Also, Abadon is a monster as well. If u didn't notice, the great salt lake was full of Vysages which were practically undead(or whatever u want to call them) and the Abadon was just a really strong monster that lived there. U think square put in monster bosses because they were possessed? I think not!

[Future Esthar]

here's a reason. THEY ARE MONSTERS! they do as they please. they went into winhill because that's what they do. they kill and take over. it's THAT simple! granaldo was a monster in the training area that was hardly ever seen, the oilboyles were there because im pretty sure that shumi guy put them there(or they were just little monsters to start with and lived in the oil and grew after the how many years that that place was closed down). Also, Abadon is a monster as well. If u didn't notice, the great salt lake was full of Vysages which were practically undead(or whatever u want to call them) and the Abadon was just a really strong monster that lived there. U think square put in monster bosses because they were possessed? I think not!

Nothing of that make actually sense.

[Soul of Tarsis]

Nothing of that make actually sense.

That made me lol.

[Xzirox]

Of course, monsters with their HUGE intelligence wouldnt be able to simply *attack* a village (Winhill) with their own free will. No no, they must be POSSESED to be able to do such as thing.

FE, I have nothing against you, but lately you´ve been spitting out random *theories* about stuff. Ive played FF8 more times then I can remember, and guess what - there is not a single thing that supports this, ahem, *theory*.

So get a life.

[Randgris]

I had already talked about those but:

Martine is possessed by Laguna.

Zone is possessed by Laguna.

Watts is possessed by Ward.

The Forest owl member sitting on the couch is possessed by the old Adel resistence member which was on the prison with Laguna.

The Forest owl member controlling the train is possessed by the guy guarding the Lunatic Pandora facility which is also a member of the Adel resistance member.

The Forest owl member standing next to the previous one is possessed by Kyros.

The floating guard who attacks Squall on Galbadia Garden is possessed by either Laguna or Kyros or Ward (I don´t know).

Biggs and Wedge works for Laguna secretly.
They are responsible for the maintenance of a primitive version of the junction machine.
There is an agreement between Laguna and them in which they shall use the machine (on Galbadia) to send Laguna and company´s counsciousness to the past.
Maybe Laguna told them Hyne´s secrets and they decided to work for him.
Of course they pretend loyalty to Deling(Hyne).
Wha?!?

I agree with FE here. Don't mess with that. If FE is right, the Hyne must exist in our world, meaning that we might all be under his control. You never know, insult Hyne one day, loose your mind and have a traffic accident the next morning. Dangerous stuff we are dealing with here.

Though I think, FE is wrong nevertheless, cause somebody couldn't be bothered to state any based argument. I mean, the one about the Date of FFVIII and Lunar Cry in Galbadia weren't too bad, but then Hyne, "beautiful" and the hol walls came in... again.
Wha?!?

Don´t kid with that Desert Wolf:mad2:

the machine is there on Galbadia,I see it.

And no,that´s not cowardy.That is freedom of speech.



On the Md level?

Yes it is.I forgot to mention but every monster which appears in key points on the game are possessed.Granaldo,the oil spoiler monster,Abadon,etc..

Why do you think the monsters went into winhill?

And do you think that the monsters cut the HD cables accidentaly?
That would be great ingenuity from you.
Whoa?!?

I still want to know wtf he's smoking to come up with all this nonsense...

Potassium Nitrate + Sulpher + Charcoal.
I'm getting a head ache... :eep:

I think I'm gonna be sick...:barf:

I think I'll lie down for a bit... :eep:

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Nothing of that make actually sense.

oh, animal nature doesn't make sense, but ur theories do? come on! u probably wouldn't even agree on the nutrition facts on a cereal box! all of what i said made sense!

[Future Esthar]

Dude,regular monsters weren´t possessed.Only on special occasions.
Yeah,they are so clever that they went to winhill only when Ellone is persecuted.
Papparazi monsters?
Or they just appears to acquire a human form(like double president and that monster on the Esthar highway).
And they just happened to concentrate in one place on the moon?
The game tells us that it is the influence of the crystal pillar.Although I don´t tottaly believe that ,it makes more sense than to say it was monster nature.

Really,you think that Deling make an agreement with gerogero to change as the presifdent.

Deling-Would you help me here?
Gerogero-Bwaaaaarrgh
I only need you to appear as me to deceive the resistance.
Gerogero-Gruhaaaa..Bwarrrrrgh.Bwarg.

Really.It makes a loooooooot more sense to say that the monster get possessed by the same person who possesses Deling or at least by Deling (if he is not possessed).
These were the only two hypotheses.

There is much more in game evidence to support this than to support the opposite.
Not only Gerogero has a resemblance with a shumi,but we know that arms grow when they(Shumis) change the environment and they became what is on their hearts.

[Xzirox]

I still dont buy this theory. It would take alot more *cough* proof *cough* to convince me.

[Future Esthar]

Shumis are white like Gerogero,and deformed like him.

[Xzirox]

Yes, so..?

[Shin Gouken]

I still dont buy this theory. It would take alot more *cough* proof *cough* to convince me.


If a theory had proof it wouldn't be a theory :greenie:

[Neco Arc]

Guys... lets give FE a break. After all he does waste his life making up theories just for us to be entertained. So good work Future Esthar and your um... marvelous theories!!

P/s: I still don't know how you can be so obsessed with the game and make up theories, nobody has every come up with....

[Discord]

The game tells us that it is the influence of the crystal pillar.Although I don´t tottaly believe that ,it makes more sense than to say it was monster nature.

You don't totally believe the game? Oh! Well, that's good! How can you have a theory about something in something if none of the facts of this something actually apply. Example:

I don't believe that my dog can speak Latin.
My dog barks.
I'm pondering about whether she said "Food" or "Walk" on Latin.

What proof is more serious than something that has been clearly stated? If you do not accept the ideas of the makers, as proven by Christmas and yourself already (see some post on INFORMATION section of the game, that is apparently a lie:rolleyes2 ), how can you argue about their true intentions?

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

the monsters in any FF game are like the animals in our world! they only care about a few things such as killing, surviving, reproducing, and taking over.

[Shin Gouken]

the monsters in any FF game are like the animals in our world! they only care about a few things such as killing, surviving, reproducing, and taking over.


often a monster (ie tonberry when he decides to join your party) show signs of more intelligence

[Future Esthar]

That´s a Gf not a monster.


You don't totally believe the game? Oh! Well, that's good! How can you have a theory about something in something if none of the facts of this something actually apply.


I believe the game.Squaresoft say that the Esthar scientists believed it was the Lunar cry.They don´t say it was.

[dante the demon prince]

Why do you think the monsters went into winhill?


because the lunar thing that happens on the moon

[Future Esthar]

They were after ellone.Quite obvious.


because the lunar thing that happens on the moon


Explain yourself better.

[dante the demon prince]

you know the pillar thing that you go in after you go into space were you fight seifer for the last time and the beam of monsters comes down from the moon and the monsters infest the world and all that good /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif

[Zanius]

They were after ellone.Quite obvious.

FE just a moment: aren't the Esthar soldiers that kidnapped Ellone from Whinhill? :confused:

[Desert Wolf]

Yeah.Wasnt monsters.

[dante the demon prince]

duuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Future Esthar]

I will post it on the "Evangelical..." thread as soon as someone reply there.It will be quite obvious specially considering the relation this guy has to monsters.
By the way explain me how can I amplify the text please.

[dante the demon prince]

yo i remember the things name its lunatic pandora and it causes the something eclips i think

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

They were after ellone.Quite obvious.

no, the esthar soldiers were after ellone. the monsters came into winhill to make it their territory(animal like characteristics). just like how a pack of wolves raid a campsite. they kill and the area their own.

[Zanius]

no, the esthar soldiers were after ellone.

That's what I was thinking...

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

good, then at least u know the truth.

[Zanius]

I already knew that... I mean saying that the monsters were after Ellone in Whinhill... doesn't make any sense....

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

i know u knew. im saying at least u know the truth unlike FE who keeps rambling on about incoherent stuff.

[dante the demon prince]

what does incoherent mean exactly

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

incoherent: lacking cohesion, *connection*, or harmony.(astericks means that's the definition i used).

[Future Esthar]

My theories weren´t incoherent.

And it makes no real sense to say they went to Winhill for that.At least no in FF8.
I played the game many,many times,went to many places and my experience says its bulshet.
Where else and when else do you find monsters entering a city to raid it?
You can only refer to Winhill and Esthar after the Lunar cry(which is Winhill on the future by the way).Where else?Actually the natural behaviour of a monster on FF8 is not to raid a town (unless their personal researcher let them into).

[Noj_R]

My theories weren´t incoherent.

And it makes no real sense to say they went to Winhill for that.At least no in FF8.
I played the game many,many times,went to many places and my experience says its bulshet.
Where else and when else do you find monsters entering a city to raid it?
You can only refer to Winhill and Esthar after the Lunar cry(which is Winhill on the future by the way).Where else?Actually the natural behaviour of a monster on FF8 is not to raid a town (unless their personal researcher let them into).

The reason monsters went into Winhill was cause there was no men to protect it, I believe Raine said that herself. THAT is proof. Laguna then patrols the town and rids the town of the nuisances, after that no more monsters. Simple as that.

Of course there will be monsters in Esthar! A freakin moon "Tear" full of monsters landed right next to it!:D The monsters do this pariodically, no one is controlling it ( no, not Odine or Hyne ). I believe the Tutorial explains this clearly...

So there is some solid in-game proof for ya. Someone besides FE tell me if I'm wrong...;)

[Future Esthar]

So why weren´t monsters going into Balamb also?
I never heard of Balamb soldiers.
Or into shumi village?
And there were soldiers on Esthar.

Now,will monsters think:
Hey,this city is well protected so let´s not raid it?
Animals don´t do this on our world.

Also,the village is still unprotected on third disc isn´t it?

So much evidence against in one thread.

On the other hand monsters were helping Odine to get a hold of Ellone along with the Esthar dudes.
They also try to help Adel on her way to the palace on third disc.

That´s evidence.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

The reason monsters went into Winhill was cause there was no men to protect it, I believe Raine said that herself. THAT is proof. Laguna then patrols the town and rids the town of the nuisances, after that no more monsters. Simple as that.

Of course there will be monsters in Esthar! A freakin moon "Tear" full of monsters landed right next to it!:D The monsters do this pariodically, no one is controlling it ( no, not Odine or Hyne ). I believe the Tutorial explains this clearly...

So there is some solid in-game proof for ya. Someone besides FE tell me if I'm wrong...;)
THANK YOU! that is what i was about to reply but u beat me to it and i thnk u.:D


So why weren´t monsters going into Balamb also?
I never heard of Balamb soldiers.
Or into shumi village?
And there were soldiers on Esthar.

Now,will monsters think:
Hey,this city is well protected so let´s not raid it?
Animals don´t do this on our world.

Also,the village is still unprotected on third disc isn´t it?

So much evidence against in one thread.

On the other hand monsters were helping Odine to get a hold of Ellone along with the Esthar dudes.
They also try to help Adel on her way to the palace on third disc.

That´s evidence.

one, balamb garden was right next to balamb so they could very easily take monsters out if they entered the city and wouldn't it be kind of obvious that they would've set up guards at the entrance to preent a monster attack? with shumi village, i don't think monsters can open elevator doors. with esthar, have u forgotten about the lunar cry? tons of monsters raining down right next to esthar? of course they are going to get into esthar! we have already proven that the monsters were not working for Odine and were not helping him to capture ellone. he had esthar soldiers for that!

[Future Esthar]

A little late,no?
I already debunked that argument(post 52).

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

i posted 2 minutes after that, u can't say im late to argue because i have the right to provide info that makes sense.

[Future Esthar]

You forgot to mention about Winhill on third disc.

By the way,the elevators on shumi village are automatic and one just needs to seat around to get it down.And why aren´t there monsters at the surface "igloo" by the way?

And there is no evidence of Garden students being sent regularly to save the city from monsters.I think that would need them to stay there actually.


we have already proven that the monsters were not working for Odine and were not helping him to capture ellone.

Were?On this little time I had been giving a little proof and you zero proof.

[Noj_R]

So why weren´t monsters going into Balamb also?
I never heard of Balamb soldiers.
Or into shumi village?
And there were soldiers on Esthar.

Now,will monsters think:
Hey,this city is well protected so let´s not raid it?
Animals don´t do this on our world.

Also,the village is still unprotected on third disc isn´t it?

So much evidence against in one thread.

Ok, Esthar has HUGE ass monsters attacking after the lunar cry, right? And the monsters arent there the rest of the game, only until the pandora leaves, right? The Estharans ( or whatever :rolleyes2 ) fought them off eventually.

Ok next, Balamb has...hmmm...Flys and skates on the beach, these are teeny tiny monsters near Balamb. And like Heero Yuy NWZC said earlier ( thx for the compliment too :) ), there is a garden full of trained mercenaries, plus Balamb has MEN in it, Winhill had NONE ( save Laguna, but that was later). So I think we can all agree men in Balamb and a mercenary camp can handle some flies right? Ok good, makin progress!:D

Shumi village is underground. Monsters cannot get in. Plus Norg is a shumi and he was a hardcore warrior, a whole village of these things could easily decimate any rams or snow lions nearby...Pwned, next on the agenda:


On the other hand monsters were helping Odine to get a hold of Ellone along with the Esthar dudes.
They also try to help Adel on her way to the palace on third disc.

That´s evidence.

If the Estharans and Odine were controlling the monsters, why did they attack Esthar...??? Whos controlling who???:confused:

Your thread, your theories! Defend yourself! Enguard!

You need to explain the evidence pertaining the shumi possession theory after all the thread is about your theories...I provided evidence for your objections, now its time you return the favor and give me some proof since you have given none the whole time :eep:

Answer me this: What evidence is there that the shumis and Odine(Hyne) are possessing people? Its very simple, all I want is an explanation...

[Future Esthar]

If the Estharans and Odine were controlling the monsters, why did they attack Esthar...??? Whos controlling who???


The Estharians weren´t controlling monsters.Only Odine.

Also,the shumis don´t possess anyone.

And please reply to post 56.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

You forgot to mention about Winhill on third disc.

By the way,the elevators on shumi village are automatic and one just needs to seat around to get it down.And why aren´t there monsters at the surface "igloo" by the way?

And there is no evidence of Garden students being sent regularly to save the city from monsters.I think that would need them to stay there actually.



Were?On this little time I had been giving a little proof and you zero proof.
who said garden students? i didn't, i just said that the city can set up guards. i was pretty sure u have to sit down on the chairs in the elevator to get it going. and monsters aren't in the igloo probabaly because the shumis there fend them off or there is a door/airlock thing at the entrnce to the igloo. im pretty sure they wouldn't have a hole for an entrance. i have given u so much proof u don't know how to handle it, punk!

[Noj_R]

The Estharians weren´t controlling monsters.Only Odine. Also,the shumis don´t possess anyone.

And please reply to post 56.

No...:mad: Im replying to this post...

Ok shumis are the ones being possessed but you shouldnt avoid my valid questions in post 57. I gave you proof, now its your turn!

[Future Esthar]

probabaly because the shumis there fend them off or there is a door/airlock thing at the entrnce to the igloo. im pretty sure they wouldn't have a hole for an entrance.

I am sure there were some glasses over the igloo which flying monsters can break.

And:

You forgot to mention about Winhill on third disc.
is waiting for a reply.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

ok, but if flying monsters can break it, and they are probably a good distance away from the glass, the shumis there would just use magic to destroy them before they got too close. for the Winhill on the third disc thing, weren't there galbadian soldiers there? im pretty sure there was.

[Noj_R]

I am sure there were some glasses over the igloo which flying monsters can break.

Your not even sure there is glass on the dome.
Why would the monsters want in the village in the first place?
They know the shumis would kick major ass to anything intrudin into their house. Its like a ram walking into a mansion full of Norgs, its as good as dead. Plus the doors are probably opened ( for squall and co ) by the shumis guarding the Ultima magic ( those shumis are probably real buff cause they are guarding the second most powerful magic in the game and the door ).

Those are valid points...


You forgot to mention about Winhill on third disc.

Umm...There are men in the town now, and like Heero said it probably has soldiers there like every other town in Galbadia.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

yeah, im pretty sure i remember Galbadian soldiers there, for sure. and when he say glass i think he means like some barrier that keeps things such as weather and stuff out but flying monsters are able to pass through just like Squall and company, but yes the shumis would whoop them.

[Noj_R]

yeah, im pretty sure i remember Galbadian soldiers there, for sure. and when he say glass i think he means like some barrier that keeps things such as weather and stuff out but flying monsters are able to pass through just like Squall and company, but yes the shumis would whoop them.

Shumis Pwne! :D

[Future Esthar]

You probably don´t go there on the third disc.Try doing it.There weren´t soldiers there.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

hmmm...:thinks: the when were there galbadian soldiers? 2nd? anyways we don't know, there could have been new residents who can kick butt or maybe the monsters learned their lesson when Laguna kicked their butt over and over again.

[Noj_R]

You probably don´t go there on the third disc.Try doing it.There weren´t soldiers there.

I did, i get the holy war there. The vase quest...Yeah, thats what it is, and you chase the chicobo! :D

I havent been there in a while, maybe Laguna killed all the monsters?

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

nah. there would be more outside the town coming in.

[Future Esthar]

There were two garden dropouts at one entrance.But they remain on the same place and since there are two entrances monsters would make their way on the other.

[Noj_R]

nah. there would be more outside the town coming in.

True...Hmmm...Somethings cant be explained, huh?

[Future Esthar]

I win!After so much loses.

[Noj_R]

I win!After so much loses.

Win what? We still dont know why there arent monsters in town...Maybe cause- Oh never mind.:eep:

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

there is no explaination, maybe square didn't really care to specify that. how about we drop it?

[Future Esthar]

Heero also win me on the possession simultaneity subject.
I really learned with that.Of course I must learn from you and you from me.
That´s the benefit of discussion.On discussions there were no winners nor losers.

[Noj_R]

there is no explaination, maybe square didn't really care to specify that. how about we drop it?

Sounds good to me, this is a no win situation. :greenie:

[Future Esthar]

The best opportunity I even had to show that Odine possessed the monsters to hunt for Elle on Winhill.

[Noj_R]

The best opportunity I even had to show that Odine possessed the monsters to hunt for Elle on Winhill.

Dont worry, youll think of something else...:rolleyes2

Good night.

Ill shall return tomorrow...Count on it...

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

I won't be on until tomorrow night, but i'll be here(probably very late tough. if u guys are already gone i'll just put in my views at the end).

[Future Esthar]

I will not be here today night probably and on the next few days.
Had to finish FF8.

[Christmas]

I will not be here today night probably and on the next few days.
Had to finish FF8.

Yes. You really should.

[Discord]

I will not be here today night probably and on the next few days.
Had to finish FF8.

Good idea. Maybe you'll be able to enlighten us after you do.

[dante the demon prince]

what did i miss

[Discord]

what did i miss

A lot of good news. FE decided to finish FF8 now!

[dante the demon prince]

A lot of good news. FE decided to finish FF8 now!


dude fe is weird if he aint done yet like me i need new copy and i aint finished game yet so

[Foetus In Fetu]

If a theory had proof it wouldn't be a theory :greenie:
What I'm about to say isn't directly on-topic, but I think it could do with being said. There is a huge disparity between what the general public believes to be a theory and what a theory actually is, in the scientific sense. A theory is an explanation of phenomena with a substantial amount of evidence; scientifically, there is no such thing as 'proof', but when an hypothesis has reached the point where it has more evidence supporting it than any competing hypothesis (i.e., when it is the most accurate and stream-lined explanation for the set of phenomena given) then it becomes a theory. A theory is actually an elevated status equal to scientific law (equal, but different in nature: a law is a statement, a theory is an explanation).

Future Esthar's conjecture doesn't qualify as a theory. It qualifies at best as an hypothesis, but there is no in-game evidence to support it and it's completely superfluous to the story. The most evident and stream-lined explanation for any "Hey, how did Deling get a monster to pretend to be him?" or "Why were there monsters in the Balamb basement?", etc., is: the plot is weak at this point (because we're still talking about a game, not real life, let's draw a distinction) and/or there needed to be a boss, or monsters, at this point in the game. That's it. Future Esthar is of course entitled to believe whatever the hell he likes, but it's not canon at all.

[chronic_Maniac]

FE you pass the square Enix test as the best FF8 player ever!!! We will be coming to your home to take you to the world FF8 was inspired in, yes you will be god of it. All of us has been testing you..... your whole life....... for this moment...... Wake up!!

I want you to make a post saying this theroy is true. Come on now. We all know you can do it.

[Future Esthar]

Are you kidding?

[Christmas]

There were two garden dropouts at one entrance.But they remain on the same place and since there are two entrances monsters would make their way on the other.

EVER HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED PATROLLING???? THEY STAYED AT THE SAME SPOT 24 HOURS 7 DAYS A WEEK? DID YOU SEE WHAT LAGUNA DID WHEN HE IS IN WINHILL?

As long as there is someone that can defend the town, it doesn't really matters where that someone is. If the monster enter the town, the folks will just alarm that someone and the monster can be easily deal with.

[Future Esthar]

That´s really strange.
Laguna and Kiros keeps patrolling the town always moving and there are monsters everywhere.
These dropouts stay stopped awhile and there were no monsters?
This kinda resembles the strange boulder explosive phenomena on the excavation dream.

[Christmas]

That´s really strange.
Laguna and Kiros keeps patrolling the town always moving and there are monsters everywhere.
These dropouts stay stopped awhile and there were no monsters?

The monsters' numbers gradually decrease through Laguna and Kiros' patrolling and when it is handed over to these two dudes, they manage to clear the town. And what do you mean by awhile.



This kinda resembles the strange boulder explosive phenomena on the excavation dream.

No.

[Future Esthar]

These were just drop outs,not seeds.

[Christmas]

These were just drop outs,not seeds.

They can still kill monsters.

[Discord]

These were just drop outs,not seeds.

You don't have to be a qualified marksmen, trained in walz and tactical espionage, in order to hunt bugs.

[Future Esthar]

The monsters' numbers gradually decrease through Laguna and Kiros' patrolling and when it is handed over to these two dudes, they manage to clear the town. And what do you mean by awhile.

You can try to be on Winhill as many time as possible and see if this is thruth.

[Christmas]

You can try to be on Winhill as many time as possible and see if this is thruth.

You can try to be on Winhill as many times as possible and see if this is not the thruth truth.

[Discord]

You can try to be on Winhill as many time as possible and see if this is thruth.

You mean running around with Laguna and Kiros and killing monsters? Well, you can try that, but FE, it's okkkkkkkkk, it's just a game...


You can try to be on Winhill as many times as possible and see if this is not the thruth truth.:rolleyes2

[Future Esthar]

You can try to be on Winhill as many time as possible and see if this is thruth.

I am saying here that the number of monsters will not decrease.It didn´t matter how long you stay there.

[Discord]

I am saying here that the number of monsters will not decrease.It didn´t matter how long you stay there.

How long did you do stay there?

[Christmas]

I am saying here that the number of monsters will not decrease.It didn´t matter how long you stay there.

What about Balamb Garden when they released those monsters from the training center. Monsters cannot decrease or dissappear once they appeared in an area aren't they?


:rolleyes2

What?

[Discord]

I'm sorry to say, but don't you think that this whole argument is completely pathetic?

FE, Final Fantasy VIII is a computer game. Get over it! There is no plot behind it. No spies tracking your IP, knowing that your theories will soon crack the codes of the North Korean nuke silos. Take it easy and enjoy the game, not the fact that if you twist this and that, it will look like a balloon giraffe.

[Neco Arc]

I am saying here that the number of monsters will not decrease.It didn´t matter how long you stay there.

Square did not intend for the players to keep on fighting the enemies at Winhill and get bored at killing every single last one...

[Future Esthar]

My sixth sense tells me they were not there just to raid.
Really.Monsters only enter twice on a city on the entire game.
On Winhill to look for Elle and on Esthar to take over the city.
And these cities were being protected.

[Discord]

What?

Ironic reply of yours to FE.:)


My sixth sense tells me they were not there just to raid.
Really.Monsters only enter twice on a city on the entire game.
On Winhill to look for Elle and on Esthar to take over the city.
And these cities were being protected.

That is called raiding, you know.

[Neco Arc]

My sixth sense tells me they were not there just to raid.
Really.Monsters only enter twice on a city on the entire game.
On Winhill to look for Elle and on Esthar to take over the city.
And these cities were being protected.

Eh... It also happened in FFVI and FFV...

[Discord]

Eh... It also happened in FFVI and FFV...

Yeah, and when Hitler attacked Stalingrad in WWII, it was also protected.

[Future Esthar]

Probably little times.

The cities were the monsters enter are also protected.

To say that the monsters on Esthar are too strong for the soldiers is a poor argument.

Remember Granaldo appearing on the training center?
Was he there to raid?
Where are is friends?

[Christmas]

My sixth sense tells me they were not there just to raid.

My sixth sense tell me they came to Winhill to pee.


Really.Monsters only enter twice on a city on the entire game.
On Winhill to look for Elle and on Esthar to take over the city.
And these cities were being protected.

What about Deling. There were monsters underground and despite the fact they are underground, they are still in the city. OMG.


Probably little times.

The cities were the monsters enter are also protected.

To say that the monsters on Esthar are too strong for the soldiers is a poor argument.

Yes. To say the Esthar soldiers are too weak(outnumbered by the monsters) for the monsters is a good argument.


Remember Granaldo appearing on the training center?
Was he there to raid?
Where are is friends?
__________________

It thought Ellone is its kid and want her back. His friends? They went back to their lairs and party of course.

[Neco Arc]

Probably little times.

The cities were the monsters enter are also protected.

To say that the monsters on Esthar are too strong for the soldiers is a poor argument.

Remember Granaldo appearing on the training center?
Was he there to raid?
Where are is friends?

The reason the monsters are present is because Square decided to do it for the gamers and not the overanalysists....

[Zanius]

Correct me if I am wrong... but the monsters on the Esthar city defeated the soldiers because of their higher number. The origin of this was because of the Lunar Cry. It's different, right?

[Discord]

Probably little times.

The cities were the monsters enter are also protected.

To say that the monsters on Esthar are too strong for the soldiers is a poor argument.

Remember Granaldo appearing on the training center?
Was he there to raid?
Where are is friends?

How about the fact that the monster are in the training centre for a purpose?

[Neco Arc]

Correct me if I am wrong... but the monsters on the Esthar city defeated the soldiers because of their higher number. The origin of this was because of the Lunar Cry. It's different, right?

Yeah, I think so...

[Future Esthar]

If I say for example that granaldo was after "Ellone" will you tell me I am wrong?

[Christmas]

If I say for example that granaldo was after "Ellone" will you tell me I am wrong?

It is after Ellone cause she happens to be there.

[Discord]

If I say for example that granaldo was after "Ellone" will you tell me I am wrong?

Ellone came into the center, without any fighting skills or a GF, and got attacked by a monster. Fullstop.

[Neco Arc]

If I say for example that granaldo was after "Ellone" will you tell me I am wrong?

If beasts are threatened, hungry, or someone or something wanders into their territory then it is believable that they will attack...

[Future Esthar]

Ellone has more lucky than Lara Croft.
She just happened to find the Last survivor of an ancient RACE.

[Zanius]

I'm wondering if Future Esthar mentioned this fact because the Granaldo were controlled by doctor Odine to kidnap Ellone... I mean... I'm not suggesting anything, only speculating...

Well, I don't have proof against that because the usual monsters on the Training Center are Grat and the T-Rexaur...


Ellone has more lucky than Lara Croft.
She just happened to find the Last survivor of an ancient RACE.

Who?

[Future Esthar]

But Granaldo seems to be rare or something.

[Zanius]

Granaldo is sort of a boss.


She just happened to find the Last survivor of an ancient RACE.

And by the way, you were talking about shumis? :confused:

[Neco Arc]

But Granaldo seems to be rare or something.

Its a boss monster created by Square. This means that you can call other boss monster's rare... even in other games... :rolleyes2

[Christmas]

But Granaldo seems to be rare or something.

They are having a party in Ultimecia's Castle. LOTS OF THEM THERE.

[Future Esthar]

Ellone has more lucky than Lara Croft.
She just happened to find the Last survivor of an ancient RACE.


And about this?

[Zanius]

Its a boss monster created by Square. This means that you can call other boss monster's rare... even in other games... :rolleyes2

But you can also fight Granaldo in some situations like on Disk 2 when you find out that you can control your Garden and also on the Ultimecia's Castle in the Disk 4.


And about this?

Can you explain? I didn't understand what you mean...

[Christmas]

Ellone has more lucky than Lara Croft.


Squall is more lucky then any existence that even appear in history cause he survived a lethal ice shard attack, countless deadly bullets, a deep cold slash across his face...blah blah blah.


She just happened to find the Last survivor of an ancient RACE.

No, she is the last survivor of the honey bee inn in FF VII.

[Zanius]

Squall is more lucky then any existence that even appear in history cause he survived a lethal ice shard attack, countless deadly bullets, a deep cold slash across his face...blah blah blah.



No, she is the last survivor of the honey bee inn in FF VII.

What?! :O_O:

[Neco Arc]

But you can also fight Granaldo in some situations like on Disk 2 when you find out that you can control your Garden and also on the Ultimecia's Castle in the Disk 4.

So? You can also fight Pugs and other rare monsters in the Veldt...

[Zanius]

So? You can also fight Pugs and other rare monsters in the Veldt...

I'm just explaining the situation, besides some bosses can be rare monsters... and your point is?

[Neco Arc]

I'm just explaining the situation, besides some bosses can be rare monsters... and your point is?

I think Future Esthar was trying to imply the fact that the granaldo was one of a kind and therefore was the only creature in the training area to be controlled by Dr. Odine...

[Zanius]

I think Future Esthar was trying to imply the fact that the granaldo was one of a kind and therefore was the only creature in the training area to be controlled by Dr. Odine...

That's what I said on the post number 118.

[Neco Arc]

That's what I said on the post number 118.

sorry i missed that...

[Zanius]

sorry i missed that...

No problemo! ;)

[Discord]

Heh, interesting. The mood of the two FE threads changes so rapidly.:p

[Zanius]

Yeah, this kind of threads has a strange effect on us. :D

[Discord]

Yeah, this kind of threads has a strange effect on us. :D

Yup.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

As i have said before on a way earlier post that Granaldo was just a monster who was put in the training center. He could of lived far away from the fences because there used to be plenty of them but were all killed by students from years ago. Granaldo is just a rare monster in the training center, that's it. If he was possessed by Hyne he would've left the training center and go all over the garden looking for Ellone.

[Desert Wolf]

Someone please show me where the game reveals or even hints to Hyne possesing people.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

ur kinda late on that. we've already discussed that. ppl are just bringing it up again for some reason.

[Discord]

Someone please show me where the game reveals or even hints to Hyne possesing people.

No, please no! Delete that post before someone sees it! We don't want to get into this phase again!

[Future Esthar]

As soon as I get screenshots I will post the evidence.

Is it true that we can fight Granaldo at Ulti´s castle?.
I don´t knew.
That´s very interesting.
Let me guess.It was at the art gallery.

[Zanius]

Well I fought with Granaldo after I passed the Clock Tower area. I also fought with him one in the main entrance area of the castle as well. I also have a curious info about this monster:


Granaldo: A large, insect-type monster that is a survivor of some ancient race. Uses its large spikes and tail to attack.

[Discord]

As soon as I get screenshots I will post the evidence.

Is it true that we can fight Granaldo at Ulti´s castle?.
I don´t knew.
That´s very interesting.
Let me guess.It was at the art gallery.

Yes, please don't forget it this time. I'd really like to see some evidence.

[Noj_R]

Someone please tell me what is so life-changing about the grenaldo?

[Discord]

A large, insect-type monster that is a survivor of some ancient race.

This is meant to be a killer.:)

To say the truth, it could be a good plot. If Square were to develop it, but speculating about it is just... Well, you know how this whole thread is.

[Noj_R]

This is meant to be a killer.:)

To say the truth, it could be a good plot. If Square were to develop it, but speculating about it is just... Well, you know how this whole thread is.

Yeah, I know how these theory threads get pretty hairy ( just look in the " FF8 theories " thread and read my speculation ).

I was just wondering why everyone was going off about the grenaldos. As far as I see it, the grenaldos are easily bred, and that is why there are so many of them in the training room. The reason there are grenaldos in time compression is because balamb garden's training center is no exception to being compressed, thus the grenaldos appear in Ulti's castle.

I dont know why there arent any outside the training room ( save the time balamb garden is in a state of civil war and the monsters are let loose ).

[Future Esthar]

You said you fought it after you can control the Garden.Where?

[Noj_R]

You said you fought it after you can control the Garden.Where?

Im sorry I was thinking of a different monster. Everyone Disregard my other post...:rolleyes2

[Christmas]

As soon as I get screenshots I will post the evidence.

BUT YOU SAID YOU HAD NO PROOFS!!

[chronic_Maniac]

FE, do you like the game? Why do you want to make it something other then what it was? To me you are a fan boy. Sure everyone has there own theory on the game but why spread things you don't even know is true? This may be for you if so call them your own. Everyone else that I've seen on this thread has gone against your theory. The one thing I do not hold against you is you have not shown proff cause it is indeed a theory.

Didn't someone tell Squall that the monsters on the moon were not weak like monsters on the planet?

[HowlingMonkey]

A few brief comments:

a) You can fight Granaldo's in Ultimecia Castle because you can fight everything in Ultimecia Castle (every monster thing. No Seifer or Edea or such, obviously). The Oilboyles show up there, and I think I remember fighting Iguions and Abadons there as well.

b) Granaldo is a special monster cause he's a boss, FE, like the other guys said. It's a game mechanism designed to challenge the gamer more than the ordinary monsters

c) The monsters show up in Winhill because their was nothing to stop them going there. Or for a different explanation, because Square felt the Laguna dream needed some battles to prevent it becoming too plot-heavy

d) What has any of this got to do with the originally posted theory?

[Discord]

I'll go slightly off-topic, however, I think it might be relevant. Before you get those screenshots, could you explain the joke to me:


Flo:Honey,the clock is late.Go out fix it.
Mayor Dobe:What hours is it?
Flo: 15:30
Mayor Dobe:Hey do you wanna to send the Estharians to Centra or what?
Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45;)


Thanks.

[dante the demon prince]

question who is odine

[Future Esthar]

FE, do you like the game? Why do you want to make it something other then what it was? To me you are a fan boy. Sure everyone has there own theory on the game but why spread things you don't even know is true? This may be for you if so call them your own. Everyone else that I've seen on this thread has gone against your theory. The one thing I do not hold against you is you have not shown proff cause it is indeed a theory.

Didn't someone tell Squall that the monsters on the moon were not weak like monsters on the planet?


You are the member with the best knowledge of me.FF8 is the best secular human story ever.


You said you fought it after you can control the Garden.Where?


It was soul hunter who said that.

[dante the demon prince]

who is odine

[Future Esthar]

I'll go slightly off-topic, however, I think it might be relevant. Before you get those screenshots, could you explain the joke to me:


Do you remember the clock tower at Ulti´s castle?
You can use the pointers as a BRIDGE.
That is a reference to what,should you ask?
To the horizon bridge and FH.
FH resembles a gauge on the middle of the world and the two sides of the bridge two pointers.
So it all resembles a big clock.
From now it´s easy to understand the rest of the joke.

[dante the demon prince]

ok plz tell me who odine is

[Discord]

Do you remember the clock tower at Ulti´s castle?
You can use the pointers as a BRIDGE.
That is a reference to what,should you ask?
To the horizon bridge and FH.
FH resembles a gauge on the middle of the world and the two sides of the bridge two pointers.
So it all resembles a big clock.
From now it´s easy to understand the rest of the joke.

Oh, ok. I knew it was something that I couldn't get by analytical methods. Hehe, well, with a little background knowledge and a little on imagination, it's not bad. I think it works out better if you are humorous.:)


ok plz tell me who odine is

It's the doctor from Esthar(Ethar, not Future Esthar:p). He's the guy that was experimenting on Ellone and developed the plan, which was later used to send Squall and Co. to Ultimecia's castle. Rinoa also had a necklace from him, which she tried using in order to stop Edea before the battle in the Delling City.

[dante the demon prince]

i remeber now thanks

[Zanius]

It was soul hunter who said that.

I didn't say that was after that you know that you Garden is controllable.

Explaining better this situation, I fought Granaldo when the Garden was under the war between the Headmaster Cid and the Master Norg. It was at that time that I faced Granaldo, I’m not sure but I think that was at the hall that leads to the Quad. After that you can fight Granaldo on the Ultimacia's castle.

[Future Esthar]

I am exactly on that part of the game now.
I am gonna see if Granaldo is on that hall.

[Zanius]

Yeah it could be on that hall, or in some other hall... honestly I can't remember now...

[Xzirox]

You can fight Granaldo when NORG orders everyone to find, and if necessary - kill Headmaster Cid. When yuo visit each of the areas i.e. Cafeteria, Garage etc. you will meet enemies to fights a NORG guy.

One of them sends out Granaldo.

[Future Esthar]

I found it yesterday.It´s on the hall to the enfermary.
But there is no Raldo´s

[Zanius]

Yeah the Granaldo is lonely this time...

[dante the demon prince]

the grondalo is in the cafatieria hall duuuuuuuuuuuuuu