Shinra, tricky person.

[Maven]

So, does this mean Final Fantasy X and X-2 are actually, in some minor way, connected to Final Fantasy VII?
I only say this because Shinra tells you in Chapter 5, I think, something along the line of draining the world of its' energy and get a new source of power...and whatever. I read one place how this could fit, but it couldn't be the same world, ie Spira.

[boys from the dwarf]

this makes a lot of references to FF7 but it is not related. FFs are never joint or related apart from possibly FF3 and 8 because of the map similaritys it could be a different time period but i think sqare just gave ff8 a lot of FF3 references like hyne and the clock hands in ultimecias castle pointing at 3 and 8. so this is similar to that and they just gave it similaritys like in other FFs.

[starseeker]

Maybe its an easter egg?

[Maven]

I guess they are similar, but why would he state EXACTLY what the corp. Shinra does. Also, it would make sense since Cid(FF7) says that there were always rockets and other machinery, just barried and recently discovered, and materia-dress spheres. The only thing that isn't the same would be the races, except Aeris does have an "ancient" bloodline...could mean many things.

[Rhi]

the ancients could come from the Yevon Summoners :D

[Lost Number]

It all seems to fit. Only question is, what about the differences, such as the fiend system, and the sending? Materia? Nah.

[Little Blue]

Any and all theories about the worlds of FF being connected really bugs me.

One point to consider is that when a fiend in X dies, they erupt into a pyrefly cloud, in VII monsters just turn red and fade. From this, it can be deduced that X is not related to any other FF (except X-2 obviously) simply because the mechanics of the world are different.

Other things to consider, where are the Ronso, Guado, Hypello etc. They can't just have gone extinct? They survived for a thousand years against Sin so it would be very hard for all three races to die out (however, it could be argued that the Ronso evolved into the Nanaki race).

Also consider this, the farplane, yes according to Shinra, is full of energy, enough to power hundreds of cities like Zanarkand, and this is the ONLY valid point that I consider in this theory, but the farplane is farely benign. It does not help nor hinder the planet, yet the lifeforce can be seen to actively defend Planet.

This is my opinion, and if anyone has any corrections, please, prove me wrong...

[Maven]

Any and all theories about the worlds of FF being connected really bugs me.

One point to consider is that when a fiend in X dies, they erupt into a pyrefly cloud, in VII monsters just turn red and fade. From this, it can be deduced that X is not related to any other FF (except X-2 obviously) simply because the mechanics of the world are different.

Other things to consider, where are the Ronso, Guado, Hypello etc. They can't just have gone extinct? They survived for a thousand years against Sin so it would be very hard for all three races to die out (however, it could be argued that the Ronso evolved into the Nanaki race).

Also consider this, the farplane, yes according to Shinra, is full of energy, enough to power hundreds of cities like Zanarkand, and this is the ONLY valid point that I consider in this theory, but the farplane is farely benign. It does not help nor hinder the planet, yet the lifeforce can be seen to actively defend Planet.

This is my opinion, and if anyone has any corrections, please, prove me wrong...


Yeah you do make good points, but get real on the dying fact. That is just animation, I mean the cloud thing may be somewhat real in the FFX world, but as for FF7...turning red and disappearing not happening. I mean when you beat a boss it just disappears? no.

Anyway! I mean, thinking about the time difference, Shinra(person) could have already drained Spira. Then moved on to the setting of Final Fantasy 7. This would make sense seeing out Aeris could be a descendent of Summoners or Guado. You have to remember, that if Shinra EVER took his idea upon himself the world would be destroyed...like what was going to happen in Final Fantasy 7

[Little Blue]

Yeah you do make good points, but get real on the dying fact. That is just animation, I mean the cloud thing may be somewhat real in the FFX world, but as for FF7...turning red and disappearing not happening. I mean when you beat a boss it just disappears? no. Actually it's been a while since I played VII, all i remember are the normal enemies fading out in a red glow...


Anyway! I mean, thinking about the time difference, Shinra(person) could have already drained Spira. Then moved on to the setting of Final Fantasy 7. This would make sense seeing out Aeris could be a descendent of Summoners or Guado. You have to remember, that if Shinra EVER took his idea upon himself the world would be destroyed...like what was going to happen in Final Fantasy 7
You're classifying summoners as different to normal humans. They aren't, especially with no fayth for them to summon... Also, what makes you so SURE that if shinra developed his idea that it would destroy spira? Also, iirc, Planet is nearly destroyed by sephiroth casting meteor, not ShinRa, ShinRa just really badly hurt planet...

[Old Manus]

Where is Future Esthar

[Maven]

Where is Future Esthar

..not even going there

Just for the whole monster dying thing...it could also tie into (in FFX) the in goes back as part of the "Lifestream"

[Little Blue]

In the end though, I think this whole debate is based upon Farplane = Lifestream (and possibly the brat Shinra mentioning the Farplane's energy)...

Farplane: Benign. People can visit. Full of pyreflies.

Pyreflies: A form of matter/energy that exists within everything. Found throughout Spira, but mostly found in the Farplane.

Lifestream (ok, my understanding of this is poor, but here goes): Bevevolant, ie, actively help to look after the planet. One body of energy/matter. Toxic/fatal to come into contact with

They are similar, materia condenses out of mako from the lifestream, and spheres condense out of pyreflies. They exist within everything.

Disregarding the death of enemies, they interact with the world differently. In X, Summons are only possible with Fayth, whose dreams are formed out of pyreflies, whereas in VII, Summons are just like any other materia. Though it can be argued that summon materia can be formed from the condensation of fayth pyreflies...

[Maven]

Humph. I think there are too many variables. There are "could be" or "what if" but when you boil it down...it just ends up being one fans' belief vs. another...there just isn't a clear cut answer. LAME

[Little Blue]

True...

[Maven]

Well, Nojima (the writer of both games) said this in the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania:

-- Is there a connection between Shinra and FFVII?

Nojima: "Yes, actually. After Shinra quit the Gullwings he got enormous financial backing from Rin and went to the Farplane to start extracting the Mako energy used by the Vegnagun. But the system for utilizing this energy could not be completed in his generation, so far in the future when space travel was possible, the Shinra Company was founded on another planet... or something like that. That would be a thousand years or so from this game's story."


before this thread is closed I just wanted to post something Nojima wrote, before he left. He does state somewhere that this is what he believes...but he wrote it so this is good enough for me. (also this keeps me sane in believing that EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED...like Yuna said...ps i am going to play x-2 and the rest of the FFseries..again)

[Markus. D]

you may find out... if you buy international.... MIGHT!

[Maven]

For international...don't you need a mod or something, since there isn't an english version. I honestly...have no clue =-/

[Marluxiaswife]

For international...don't you need a mod or something, since there isn't an english version. I honestly...have no clue =-/

Well I want a japanese Ps2, but my brother won't bight with his credit card for me :cry:
But I don't see how FFX/FFX-2 and FFVII/FFVII AC
are the conneted.....
I know cause what Shrina surprised me.

[tifayuna]

Well I want a japanese Ps2, but my brother won't bight with his credit card for me :cry:
But I don't see how FFX/FFX-2 and FFVII/FFVII AC
are the conneted.....
I know cause what Shrina surprised me.

:greenie:

[Mitch]

Makes sense

[Markus. D]

For international...don't you need a mod or something, since there isn't an english version. I honestly...have no clue =-/

;\


Its english dub, jap subtitles.

last mission is full japanese (also, Yuna's theme song gets changed into something beautiful, to you kime e)

[Renmiri]

Lifeforce = pireflies has been extensevely discussed and documented here (also at GAMEFAQ)
http://www.eyesonff.com/members/wiki/Main/SpiritEnergyAndMemoriesTheMagicOfFinalFantasy

Nojima has not left SE, he was just on loan to Disney for a long time. He is now working as director of FFVII Before Crisis, as an independent contractor.

Since Before Crisis is a prequel to FFVII it seems like the perfect place for him to expand on his FFX / FFVII world link idea (FFX happens 1,000 years before FFVII).

I have a lot more Nojima quotes and International Mission quotes collected here, including Shinra partnering with Rin to use Vegnagun's remains to see how Vegnagun used the Farplane as energy source

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2685724/7/

I am ambivalent on liking the idea. On one hand, I wrote some fan fiction about exploring Spira's Farplane energy so it is nice to see I was "right on the money". On the other hand, it seems a bit forced and contrived, like those suspense series that last too long on TV (i.e. LOST). After a while the plot gets so ridiculously twisted and sensational you just can't believe it enough to enjoy it any longer..

[Little Blue]

God I hate Nojima... *mumbles various curses and stabs a voodoo doll of him in hopefully a very painfull place*

Personally though, I would like to find out if relativity applies in this X/VII universe, as that could cause some problems with travelling to another planet, with our current understanding of physics, but I won't go into that...

God I hate Nojima... *mumbles various curses and stabs a voodoo doll of him in hopefully a very painfull place*

[yunafan11]

As I said before... All Final Fantasy's are connected in a parellel universe and they are all brother's and sisters... LOL.

There is no logical explination. I mean, There are simularities, but I don't think that it matters. I mean, they probobly forgot about it themselves. I mean, Shinra was kinda suspicious when I first played the game, but they always do something like that. They make it seem like they are all connected together in some way.

Like Final Fantasy XII, wasn't there a place already called Ivalice? Hmm... But not the same charecters?

Final Fantasy X-2, Shinra?

Things we will not know until they make the last game of the series. (Which will be what? 80 years? lol.) Something tells me they are connected in someway. But I'm not sure what yet. :choc2:

[Marluxiaswife]

As I said before... All Final Fantasy's are connected in a parellel universe and they are all brother's and sisters... LOL.

There is no logical explination. I mean, There are simularities, but I don't think that it matters. I mean, they probobly forgot about it themselves. I mean, Shinra was kinda suspicious when I first played the game, but they always do something like that. They make it seem like they are all connected together in some way.

Like Final Fantasy XII, wasn't there a place already called Ivalice? Hmm... But not the same charecters?

Final Fantasy X-2, Shinra?

Things we will not know until they make the last game of the series. (Which will be what? 80 years? lol.) Something tells me they are connected in someway. But I'm not sure what yet. :choc2:

Hmm... true, So we going to have to wait untill the finally last final fantasy :D

[yunafan11]

Which will never be final might I add. LOL. I mean, they said that Final Fantasy XII, was the last one. I went on the internet, and some website was talking about Final Fantasy XIII. Seriously. LOL. :choc2:

[Maven]

Well I just started playing final fantasy VII...for the first time, don't look at me. I have played 8-X2 (and some of 12...duh). but anyway so I noticed , when Cloud enters AVALANCHE for the first time and goes to the meeting when Jesse turns on the screen there is a guy on it, kinda like one of LeBlancs members..not really though just giving a description, and on it they are giving reports about the explosion and it says SIN on it as the main title. Hmmm now I have only played this up a little farther...but that is just one thing, besides what else I have listed, this isn't any solid facts just another "coincidence".

EDITED: I just want everyone to know, this is just an observation I immediatly saw JUST in the beginning of the game...seems to be just a bit to coincidental

[yunafan11]

hmm. nice point.

[kissgirls]

Well i've been reading about this i do think FFX-2 and FFVII
are connected. I remebered when FFX-2 sprits when they die you can here the crying and screaming like FFVII life stream.
And i remebered at the sceen when Yuna says
"A city full of lights one that never sleep.... But i would never get
to see it."
And I think YuRiPa have something to make them alive in FFVII, maybe they alive in FFVII don't know where they are but they are probly there.;)

[Venom]

No they arent connected, they just used the names.

[DLLS]

I found a site related to this subject.............

http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/intro.htm

It gives evidence on how the Final Fantasy VII and X worlds are connected and theories. I found it quite unteresting.

[Renmiri]

Yes and according to my Japanese speaking FF guru at Wikipedia the same stuff that Nojima said in 2003 about FFX-2 is repeated on the FFVII Ultimania manual two years later