I see banned n00bs

[The Man]

Is it just me or are people getting banned at a much faster rate than they used to? Discuss. :monster:

[Christmas]

Some of them might be second accounts though.

[nik0tine]

Not really. Crash was here for quite some time.

[Meat Puppet]

It's like the time that 4 year old had a water pistol and they had to get the army in to take him down with M64 assault! Great times.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Lately we've been dealing with about three people who keep trying to get around the system with multiple accounts, resulting in about a dozen bans in a pretty short period. The secondary accounts prettymuch all get spotted and banned within a few days of their registration, so maybe that's what you're seeing.

Also, a possibly unusual amount of people who have been screwing around for a long time are getting into their final warning zone and then banned. They didn't start at the same time, but I guess as they spent time around one another, their cycles got synchronized. Like with the menses.

[Fonzie]

The EoFF Constution was thus madein the year 2010 when all the banned people wanted equal rights lmao.

[edczxcvbnm]

The EoFF Constution was thus madein the year 2010 when all the banned people wanted equal rights lmao.

Banned :choc2:

[Del Murder]

We decided that people who are constantly stepping over the line are as much deserving of a ban as people who jump right over it.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

We're also keeping better record of the final warnings so that people aren't getting as many chances.

[Yamaneko]

The other mods didn't have enough bans under their belt compared to eestlinc. So yes, uhh, bad behavior.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I'd have more if he weren't hogging all the second account bans :mad2:

(Note: this should not be interpreted to mean that eestlinc is indeed doing a majority or even any of the second account bans.)

[Lost Number]

How do you figure out if its a second account?

[RSL]

Magic.

[MecaKane]

We decided that people who are constantly stepping over the line are as much deserving of a ban as people who jump right over it.
Oh shi--
There goes my fun.:cry:

[Chris]

I guess the members who were meant to be here -- are still here. :D

[Lost Number]

Then what am I doin?

[escobert]

Oh shi--
There goes my fun.:cry:
you don't even post wtf are yout alking about. There goes my fun.

[anacacia]

I'm new 'ere. I dunno why you would make a second account unless your retarted aye? I mean, if ya get banned then ya get banned.

[Shoden]

We're starting to get Noobs on a suicide mission, like the one today who posted a porn site on purpose, 2nd accounts? more like 8th accounts.

[Christmas]

They are back for vengeance.

[Shoden]

They shouldn't of did the thing that got them banned in the first place then should they?
still if there were more limited bans I think 2nd accounts would be alot rarer.

[Christmas]

It is a sad thing that they don't think they are wrong in the first place but this site that had wronged them. :(

[DroneofTravis]

I hate you too Unknowns :p

[Christmas]

I hardly know you.

[DroneofTravis]

And that would stop me from hating you why?

[Del Murder]

Oh shi--
There goes my fun.:cry:
you don't even post wtf are yout alking about. There goes my fun.
You don't have to be a jerk to have fun. But yeah, you guys are on thin ice.

[Christmas]

And that would stop me from hating you why?

Oh ya, I remember who you are now.

EDIT: Someone got you, I think it is the poster above me.

[Hawkeye]

I think I'm going to be banned next week. Not that I'm going to shoot for the goal, but if I do, we can call this a premonition.

If not, then I'm full of <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

[Dignified Pauper]

So, let's get to the point of this thread. Can we ban Neel?

:)

[escobert]

You don't have to be a jerk to have fun. But yeah, you guys are on thin ice.
But, it's more fun to be a jerk :(

[Dreddz]

The word is out now, EOFF have landed on there backsides.
Seriously, what is up with the strictness here, like, I know we want to protect the children, but come on ........

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

No porn, no personal attacks, if you're banned for being a jerk, don't come back.

Tell me, why is this considered "strict"?

[Del Murder]

It's more like protecting everyone (and ourselves) from the unusual amount of immaturity that seems drawn to the internet.

[escobert]

Porn is fun and a learning tool :D, Personal attacks help build character and if your a jerk then you're ultra elite cool. :D

[krissy]

bannings help develop character too

[Fonzie]

lol this thread is getting stupid. It'd be fun to see the banned people one day and to know why they got banned.

[Psydekick]

Personally i still can't see why PIP(I don't like him but still)and Crash got Banned, all of the funny and cool people have benn banned and this site is gradually going down hill in my opinion :(

[The Man]

Also, a possibly unusual amount of people who have been screwing around for a long time are getting into their final warning zone and then banned. They didn't start at the same time, but I guess as they spent time around one another, their cycles got synchronized. Like with the menses.I don't really mind if people who constantly break the rules get banned... but shouldn't final warnings expire as "final warnings" after like a year? 'Cause if you only screw up once a year, that's not really that much of a problem :monster:

of course, maybe they do, but I just want to be sure :cool:


No porn, no personal attacks, if you're banned for being a jerk, don't come back.

Tell me, why is this considered "strict"?I think it's mostly the anti-spam policy that's considered strict. Of course, people were complaining about the spam awhile back, but most of what was getting posted then wasn't funny, whereas PiP's FFX-2 threads were mostly hilarious.

[Lost Number]

I didnt see anything much wrong with Crash. Sora!, yes but not crash.
I dont much mind bout how strict the anti-spam is, im not a spammer.

[Psydekick]

This forum is much stricter than other forums

[Lost Number]

So? I dont think I have ever had material deleted(correct me if im wrong) or any other.

[The Man]

This forum is much stricter than other forumsUnfortunately, it's a general rule that as a forum gets larger, it becomes stricter. But yeah, this is the strictest forum I can be bothered to post at.

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

This forum is much stricter than other forums
not really no



daeya.org forums are very strict especially with that no one liner rule

[Dreddz]

No porn, no personal attacks, if you're banned for being a jerk, don't come back.

Tell me, why is this considered "strict"?
what about second chances, Kakashi was banned for posting boob muffs, firstly, No Porn, just Boob Muffs. Now, firstly, I dont even think Boob muffs are actually something to get worked up about. You lot, banned Kakashi straight away, like, Kakashi said he didnt know that Boob Muffs were such a bad thing to post, yet you lot didnt care. Now, come on, You should of just warned him and give him a second chance. Not being ignorant assholes.

[Psychotic]

I haven't been threatened with banning, so I'm going to assume I can keep doing what I'm doing with impunity.

And in order to avoid being warned, I am going to add every single staff member to my ignore list so they can't contact me. I win!

[eestlinc]

what about second chances, Kakashi was banned for posting boob muffs, firstly, No Porn, just Boob Muffs. Now, firstly, I dont even think Boob muffs are actually something to get worked up about. You lot, banned Kakashi straight away, like, Kakashi said he didnt know that Boob Muffs were such a bad thing to post, yet you lot didnt care. Now, come on, You should of just warned him and give him a second chance. Not being ignorant assholes.
You should post less.

[escobert]

Yeah and what about the Peter guy you lot banned for the snow penis I SAY THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[The Man]

what about second chances, Kakashi was banned for posting boob muffs, firstly, No Porn, just Boob Muffs. Now, firstly, I dont even think Boob muffs are actually something to get worked up about. You lot, banned Kakashi straight away, like, Kakashi said he didnt know that Boob Muffs were such a bad thing to post, yet you lot didnt care. Now, come on, You should of just warned him and give him a second chance. Not being ignorant assholes.You were doing all right there until you called the staff "ignorant assholes."

[eestlinc]

Yeah and what about the Peter guy you lot banned for the snow penis I SAY THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
Just consider yourself lucky you aren't banned.

[Loony BoB]

Okay, now that people are starting to turn things personal and resorting to flaming, I'm going to speak out a few rules.

1) Saying "you're being ignorant assholes" is against the rules and will get you a warning. Dreddz, this is a warning. Don't do that.

2) If you have a problem with the banning of a specific person, PM an admin/mod and talk to them about it. If you don't like the way things went, you are welcome to start up your own forums and make your own rules. We will listen to what you have to say, though, and all the staff get made aware of such things when they become issues, and we do reflect on what we do and have made adjustments to rules in the past.

3) Some people tell us we are too strict, while some people refuse to post here because they think we aren't strict enough. There is no way we're going to "give in" to either argument and we tend to neglect general comments of "you guys are too strict" or vice versa because there will always be someone on the other side saying otherwise. We found our balance, and we tell each other when we feel that we've gone too far one way or the other and discuss it and sometimes shift to more or less extreme measures.

4) Likewise, as many people complain about the banning of a person, we get people thanking us and saying it's one of the greatest things we've ever done. Do we care about either? Not really. We care about EoFF in general - and most importantly of all, when making rules for a place you care about, you want people to...

5) Follow the rules. If you don't follow the rules, be it spam, be it flaming, be it anything, expect to get banned. It'll happen. If you get warned not to do something, don't do it. It's not bleeding rocket science to respect the rules. We need to make sure that people respect this place, and the rules are what have made EoFF the place it is today. If you enjoy posting at EoFF, you're enjoying the place that is a product of the rules we made. If you break them, you will get warned and/or banned so that other people can continue to enjoy the forums and the rules that make the forums what they are.

I personally don't have a problem with porn. I don't have a problem with vulgar jokes and I don't have a problem with spam. But I do have a problem with them at EoFF, because at EoFF they aren't allowed. Do those things elsewhere. It's easy. You can go to a place that such things are allowed or even encouraged and do them there, I know I do. But if you do them here, you'll get banned.

I didn't have a problem with PiP spamming, but I did have a problem with him spamming here, more because it was against the rules than anything else. I don't understand why anyone who knows that they are breaking rules would complain about getting warned/banned after they do just that. Regardless of how harmless it might be, if you broke a rule, you broke a rule. That's your problem.

And as much fun as it might be to make fun of people or insult them or whatever, I'm pretty sure it's more fun to ban people, so your fun will only encourage us to have our fun. :D


And in order to avoid being warned, I am going to add every single staff member to my ignore list so they can't contact me. I win!
Just in case anyone can't see that Psy is just being dumb, please note that it's impossible to put forums staff on ignore, and also we can ban people without warning if we want to anyway.

[Dreddz]

You were doing all right there until you called the staff "ignorant assholes."

You should post less.
Im just sticking up for Nick ( Kakashi ).
And Its silly you lot just coming out with smart assed comments, why cant you lot just think before you take action. Ive had those EoEO bans twice,
One time, it was a misunderstanding, in which they thought I was mocking someone elses english, I wasnt, but did you lot even take the time to asking, No.

[eestlinc]

You really should take my advice, especially in this thread. Nothing you say is going to get anyone unbanned. You are only going to make yourself look like a fool.

[Hawkeye]

What I have a hard to swallowing (so to speak) is that if a person doesn't like it here is why are they still here.

EDIT- Yeah, pay no attention to my custom user title.

[The Man]

And as much fun as it might be to make fun of people or insult them or whatever, I'm pretty sure it's more fun to ban people, so your fun will only encourage us to have our fun. :DI don't really have a problem with the no flaming rule; a lot of people take the Internets as serios buisness (yes the misspellings are intentional). However, I really can't see how making occasional spam threads outside of EoEO is worth banning people over, at least if they're funny spam threads.

[Dreddz]

You really should take my advice, especially in this thread. Nothing you say is going to get anyone unbanned. You are only going to make yourself look like a fool.
Im not trying to unban Kakashi ( although it would be nice :) )
He was banned ages ago, I think me and Crash made a unban thread, which you lor probably didnt even read and closed it.
All I saying is, which i said ages ago, but Ill say it again. Always look into a situations, always. Imagine if you accidently did something bad, and try to Log back on here, and find out your banned. I would think that would be pretty darn unfair.

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

u even banned tim! http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=75276 he only asked a question

[Loony BoB]

I don't really have a problem with the no flaming rule; a lot of people take the Internets as serios buisness (yes the misspellings are intentional). However, I really can't see how making occasional spam threads outside of EoEO is worth banning people over, at least if they're funny spam threads.
Try this: They were already on final warning status for their constant spamming at EoFF and they knew they were going to get banned the moment they made the thread. Seriously. And I don't have any desire to appeal to the humour of yours, Manny, knowing your taste of comedy. :p Spam is spam. One person finds it funny, one person finds it dumb. If we left anything that a certain group found 'funny' we'd probably never close any threads at all.

Tifa's Real Lover: That member was a second account. :)

EDIT: Dreddz: If you saw the amount of discussion that goes on in the staff forums, you'd probably be happy with how we work. Don't worry about it, you'll just have to trust us on that one.

[Hawkeye]

Why the HELL do you guys care?

Tell you what: once you start paying for the monthly bills for your own forums and website, you can do whatever you want to do. If he wanted to ban him, oh well, Timmy was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. EoFF isn't a corperation last time I checked.

[The Man]

Try this: They were already on final warning status for their constant spamming at EoFF and they knew they were going to get banned the moment they made the thread. Seriously. And I don't have any desire to appeal to the humour of yours, Manny, knowing your taste of comedy. :p Spam is spam. One person finds it funny, one person finds it dumb. If we left anything that a certain group found 'funny' we'd probably never close any threads at all.I don't doubt that there are people who complain about it. But I think they need to find better things to worry about than a bit of spam on an internet message board. Again, it's not really harming anyone, and as long as a significant number of people other than the original poster find it funny, it's not really degrading the forums much.

Then again, I'm not in charge here, and if I were, things would no doubt be significantly different in other aspects as well :monster:

[Loony BoB]

Why the HELL do you guys care?

Tell you what: once you start baying for the monthly bills for your own forums and website, you can do whatever you want to do. If he wanted to ban him, oh well, Timmy was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. EoFF isn't a corperation last time I checked.
Damn straight. In the registration form that you guys probably don't read and instead just tick "I Agree" with...

The owners of Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason. The owners, administrators and moderators of Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums also reserve the right to make any and all necessary changes to user accounts, posts, rules and other areas of this forum with or without notice, at their discretion.
:D

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

Tifa's Real Lover: That member was a second account. :)


ha ha ok:D

[escobert]

] Imagine if you accidently did something bad, and try to Log back on here, and find out your banned. I would think that would be pretty darn unfair.
I agree 100% with dreddz here because I can speak from experience on this matter. I posted a picture which by all emans should have had me banned from this site a few years ago. It was a stupid mistake wich I regret doing very much. It limited my ability to do many things on the site. I just think sometime s with matters like these maybe we should give members a second chance. I for one am greatful that I was given one.

[The Man]

Damn straight. In the registration form that you guys probably don't read and instead just tick "I Agree" with...

:Dwell, just because people agree the staff has the right to do anything they want when they register doesn't mean they don't have the right to complain when they don't think it's justified. But I'm fairly sure you weren't trying to say that. :monster:


I agree 100% with dreddz here because I can speak from experience on this matter. I posted a picture which by all emans should have had me banned from this site a few years ago. It was a stupid mistake wich I regret doing very much. It limited my ability to do many things on the site. I just think sometime s with matters like these maybe we should give members a second chance. I for one am greatful that I was given one.yeah, iirc, a number of people were quite upset when you were given one and Peter was not, but I don't feel like dredging up that argument again :monster:

[eestlinc]

a little bit of spam here and there is ok. it takes a lot to get warned for spamming here, and then you have to keep it up for a while to get banned for spamming.

[Loony BoB]

I don't doubt that there are people who complain about it. But I think they need to find better things to worry about than a bit of spam on an internet message board. Again, it's not really harming anyone, and as long as a significant number of people other than the original poster find it funny, it's not really degrading the forums much.

Then again, I'm not in charge here, and if I were, things would no doubt be significantly different in other aspects as well :monster:
You're a person complaining about spam, and I think that you need to find better things to worry about than the rules of an internet message board. Again, it's not really harming anyone, and as long as a significant number of people find the thread unfunny, it's not really helping the forums much.

And hey, you're not in charge here, and if you were, this place would have turned into something that isn't EoFF, and there is no point in turning this established site into something entirely different. We've got ourselves a proven winning formula, so there's no point in changing it. :)

[Dreddz]

Dreddz: If you saw the amount of discussion that goes on in the staff forums, you'd probably be happy with how we work. Don't worry about it, you'll just have to trust us on that one.
Hmm, well Ill end my Rant, Ill trust you........for now :shifty:

[The Man]

You're a person complaining about spam, and I think that you need to find better things to worry about than the rules of an internet message board. Again, it's not really harming anyone, and as long as a significant number of people find the thread unfunny, it's not really helping the forums much.

And hey, you're not in charge here, and if you were, this place would have turned into something that isn't EoFF, and there is no point in turning this established site into something entirely different. We've got ourselves a proven winning formula, so there's no point in changing it. :)I'd argue that it is harming people, since they lose their posting privileges.

And just because things work doesn't mean they can't be improved. I have yet to see a message board that operates perfectly.

[Hawkeye]

But people will always be subjective to how something works, whether it is online of not. You can't please everybody.

[The Man]

of course you can't, but you can probably always run things in a manner that pleases a greater number of people.

[eestlinc]

I think we are doing so.

[The Man]

I think there's always room for improvement.

But hey, maybe lots of people were privately complaining about spam. I just have a hard time seeing why it's so hard to ignore it, at least outside of GC and EoEO. I never saw that much of it outside those forums.

[Hawkeye]

If eestlinc wasn't on staff, I don't know what would happen :monster:

[Lost Number]

I am happy with the way this place is run, I have not got on the wrong side of the mods too often, and when I did I knew why and (probably) stopped. This is one of the best forums out there, and the strictness does not bother me.

[Yamaneko]

Let's adopt the winning Fool's Gold formula!

[Psychotic]

Why the HELL do you guys care?

Tell you what: once you start paying for the monthly bills for your own forums and website, you can do whatever you want to do. If he wanted to ban him, oh well, Timmy was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. EoFF isn't a corperation last time I checked.Ugh, I hate this so called "defence".

You may be in the right, and have totally defeated our logic, but we own the damned thing so you suck HAHAHA!

Ugh ugh ugh. No.

[The Man]

Let's adopt the winning Fool's Gold formula!The "winning Fool's Gold formula" is not having a front site, more than anything else.


Ugh, I hate this so called "defence".

You may be in the right, and have totally defeated our logic, but we own the damned thing so you suck HAHAHA!

Ugh ugh ugh. No.Agreed.

[Hawkeye]

Ugh, I hate this so called "defence".

You may be in the right, and have totally defeated our logic, but we own the damned thing so you suck HAHAHA!

Ugh ugh ugh. No.
First of all, we can start spelling "defence" correctly, secondly, I am always right.

[Loony BoB]

Hawkeye hit the nail on the head. Manny, if you're smart, you'll know fully well that EoFF is working exactly the way that we want it to work, and therefore there is no problem. This isn't a place for just anyone. Nobody will ever see it as perfect, but we will make it what is good for us, the Staffers.

As for spam harming people by losing their posting privileges, I'll say it again, they were warned and they knew they would get banned. There's nothing wrong with banning someone when they know they're going to get banned. There's no real way to argue with that at all. Maybe you're just joking around, and if that's the case then I'd rather you stop posting in this thread so people can carry on their more serious conversations.

This forum is working just the way it's meant to be. Changing the way this forum is run would be like Maddox deciding to not be offensive because it harms some people. It would be like Fool's Gold ceasing to exist because some people out there think the whole place is a cesspool. Not saying I do, but I know people do. You know fully well that we are capable of dealing with things in the way that suits us in the way we find most suitable. Not banning people for constant spamming would not be suitable for us. That's final.

eest is right that we are pleasing the greater number of people that we want to keep here. Having said that, a great number of people wanted Bush to get elected but you don't see that forcing the rest of the country to just roll over and say "okay sir". Sometimes the majority of people aren't the kind of people you want. For this reason, you should always just make the place you run into the place you want it to be, not the place the majority of the world wants it to be.

As for anyone who thinks the majority of people don't like this place, we got a lot of anonymous feedback using those form thingies - in excess of 160 forms, in fact - and I'd estimate that around 90-95% said this place was run bloody well. Some people had minor specific problems, and about 10% said that this place could be more strict and about 10% said that the place should be less strict. Not a single active staff member got an average rating below seven, and most lower ratings were purely based on the fact that a person didn't know the Knight/Admin mentioned. This place is considered to be well run, so say the members.

[eestlinc]

You're saying the reason you aren't doing the job I'm paying you to do is because you don't have a job to do? what are you trying to convince me of exactly? that you're ass useless as an asshole right here? *touches elbow* Well guess what. You just smurfing convinced me.

[Psychotic]

First of all, we can start spelling "defence" correctly, secondly, I am always right.Ah yes, the grammar card. Refuge of those who lack proper debating skills.

[Yamaneko]

What's this thread about exactly?

[eestlinc]

nobody wins in an internet argument!

[The Man]

First of all, we can start spelling "defence" correctly, secondly, I am always right.He's British, he spelt it the British way, I hardly see a problem here :monster:


Hawkeye hit the nail on the head. Manny, if you're smart, you'll know fully well that EoFF is working exactly the way that we want it to work, and therefore there is no problem. This isn't a place for just anyone. Nobody will ever see it as perfect, but we will make it what is good for us, the Staffers.

As for spam harming people by losing their posting privileges, I'll say it again, they were warned and they knew they would get banned. There's nothing wrong with banning someone when they know they're going to get banned. There's no real way to argue with that at all. Maybe you're just joking around, and if that's the case then I'd rather you stop posting in this thread so people can carry on their more serious conversations.

This forum is working just the way it's meant to be. Changing the way this forum is run would be like Maddox deciding to not be offensive because it harms some people. It would be like Fool's Gold ceasing to exist because some people out there think the whole place is a cesspool. Not saying I do, but I know people do. You know fully well that we are capable of dealing with things in the way that suits us in the way we find most suitable. Not banning people for constant spamming would not be suitable for us. That's final.

eest is right that we are pleasing the greater number of people that we want to keep here. Having said that, a great number of people wanted Bush to get elected but you don't see that forcing the rest of the country to just roll over and say "okay sir". Sometimes the majority of people aren't the kind of people you want. For this reason, you should always just make the place you run into the place you want it to be, not the place the majority of the world wants it to be.obviously my continuing to post in this thread isn't going to change anyone's opinion, so I'll just say fair enough and give up :monster:

I just have a hard time believing that more people complained about PIP's spamming than approved of it (same goes for HOORJ). Most people generally seemed to like him :monster:


nobody wins in an internet argument!Arguing on the Internets is like running in the Special Olympics?

[Hawkeye]

He's British, he spelt it the British way, I hardly see a problem here :monster:
That was the point!

EDIT BY BoB: Hawkeye, please do not flame people.<!--EDIT- Even if you win, you're still retarded.-->

[The Man]

ah, touch&#233;

[Shoeberto]

What's this thread about exactly?
Yeah, I'm lost too. Maybe that's why our staff sucks so hard hahahahahahahahaha

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, we've probably gone a bit far off topic. The original topic of this thread was explained so if anyone wants to start a new thread with a new topic, then go for it.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I don't really mind if people who constantly break the rules get banned... but shouldn't final warnings expire as "final warnings" after like a year? 'Cause if you only screw up once a year, that's not really that much of a problem :monster:

of course, maybe they do, but I just want to be sure :cool:It turns out that final warnings do expire. There isn't an exact statute of limitations yet, but I am pretty sure we haven't had a case where someone got banned in reference to a final warning issued anywhere near a year prior.

[Del Murder]

Quoted because this should be the last post of the thread, since it is really the way things are, and not just a line we are feeding the members, yet people continue to complain or get in trouble because they can't understand it:

Okay, now that people are starting to turn things personal and resorting to flaming, I'm going to speak out a few rules.

1) Saying "you're being ignorant assholes" is against the rules and will get you a warning. Dreddz, this is a warning. Don't do that.

2) If you have a problem with the banning of a specific person, PM an admin/mod and talk to them about it. If you don't like the way things went, you are welcome to start up your own forums and make your own rules. We will listen to what you have to say, though, and all the staff get made aware of such things when they become issues, and we do reflect on what we do and have made adjustments to rules in the past.

3) Some people tell us we are too strict, while some people refuse to post here because they think we aren't strict enough. There is no way we're going to "give in" to either argument and we tend to neglect general comments of "you guys are too strict" or vice versa because there will always be someone on the other side saying otherwise. We found our balance, and we tell each other when we feel that we've gone too far one way or the other and discuss it and sometimes shift to more or less extreme measures.

4) Likewise, as many people complain about the banning of a person, we get people thanking us and saying it's one of the greatest things we've ever done. Do we care about either? Not really. We care about EoFF in general - and most importantly of all, when making rules for a place you care about, you want people to...

5) Follow the rules. If you don't follow the rules, be it spam, be it flaming, be it anything, expect to get banned. It'll happen. If you get warned not to do something, don't do it. It's not bleeding rocket science to respect the rules. We need to make sure that people respect this place, and the rules are what have made EoFF the place it is today. If you enjoy posting at EoFF, you're enjoying the place that is a product of the rules we made. If you break them, you will get warned and/or banned so that other people can continue to enjoy the forums and the rules that make the forums what they are.

I personally don't have a problem with porn. I don't have a problem with vulgar jokes and I don't have a problem with spam. But I do have a problem with them at EoFF, because at EoFF they aren't allowed. Do those things elsewhere. It's easy. You can go to a place that such things are allowed or even encouraged and do them there, I know I do. But if you do them here, you'll get banned.

I didn't have a problem with PiP spamming, but I did have a problem with him spamming here, more because it was against the rules than anything else. I don't understand why anyone who knows that they are breaking rules would complain about getting warned/banned after they do just that. Regardless of how harmless it might be, if you broke a rule, you broke a rule. That's your problem.

And as much fun as it might be to make fun of people or insult them or whatever, I'm pretty sure it's more fun to ban people, so your fun will only encourage us to have our fun. :D