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Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 10:50 PM
I have an idea. I noticed that Cid has implemented a PayPal service for members to use to pay for extra PM space. Anyway, I have an idea. Perhaps the staff can think about this. Let's say a member been banned for a mistake, like posting something borderline to porn. They've been an upstanding member, or have been a member who haven't been much a trouble, except they posted an inappropriate image by mistake. Now, here's my idea. Let's wait to six month later, if the member is still around lurking, they can reinstate themselves and use PayPal to get unbanned. I'm thinking, after six months, it will start at $20, and after every three months, the price drops down by $5 until it runs out when they can be reinstated without paying, if the person is still around.

So how about it? An upstanding member gets banned for a bannable mistake, and will have to wait six months before being able to pay through paypal to get unbanned. Every three months, it drops down by $5. Unless this is a no-go with the price dropping after every three months when someone becomes "eligible" to pay to be unbanned, how does $10 sound for an unban, only after six months?

So, three options, really.

A) Start off $20 dollars after six months, decrease by $5 every three months.
B) $10 dollars to get unbanned after half a year.
C) No change.

Yamaneko
01-28-2006, 10:51 PM
No.

RSL
01-28-2006, 10:52 PM
No.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 10:53 PM
Why not?

RSL
01-28-2006, 10:54 PM
I don't like the idea of people being able to use money to be above the rules.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 10:56 PM
But the money will be used to help pay for the server, and it's not likely that a lot of banned members will wait half a year just to pay $10-20 dollars just to get unbanned from a message board.

RSL
01-28-2006, 10:57 PM
If Cid needs money, there are other (and better) ways to go about obtaining it.

eestlinc
01-28-2006, 10:58 PM
I don't think this is necessary.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
01-28-2006, 10:58 PM
It's not about money. It's about relationships.

Psychotic
01-28-2006, 11:03 PM
Better idea:

Let's make it so that if we want someone banned, we can pay $20 to have them banned.

Hawkeye
01-28-2006, 11:05 PM
Better idea:

Let's make it so that if we want someone banned, we can pay $20 to have them banned.
No point now that Crash is banned.

Psychotic
01-28-2006, 11:09 PM
Oh alright.

How about $20 to become a Recognized Member? I've always felt my hard work for Eyes on Final Fantasy has gone unrecognised, and now I have a chance to show the world I'm special.

Or better yet, I've always thought that if I were admin, EoFF would be awesome. Even more so than it is, of course! I'll give you $30 in exchange for that platinum title.

This shows how ludicrous the whole thing is. Where do you draw the line? With extra PM space, I hope...

Hawkeye
01-28-2006, 11:10 PM
It is indeed, somethingawful.

Miriel
01-28-2006, 11:11 PM
Dude. That is like the worst idea ever.

Also, someone make Flying Mullet a recognized member.

MecaKane
01-28-2006, 11:11 PM
I just hope that everyone who pays for 2 years of extra PM space gets banned the very next day.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 11:13 PM
To be a recognized member, you have to be recognized by the staff. That's not something you want to pay $20 dollars for. Paying $12 or $20 dollars for extra PM space is reasonable, and so should be paying $10 or $20 and below, to have your account unbanned, if you believe you deserve a "second chance." And the staff should decide whether to accept the payment and unban the account.

...WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE MY IDEAS?? I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO BRING UP. ITS NOT LIKE EVERY BANNED PERSON CAN AFFORD TO PAY TO BE UNBANNED AFTER SIX MONTHS, OR MAYB A YEAR...

God, I hate how everyone is treating my ideas as fucking <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

Yamaneko
01-28-2006, 11:14 PM
We don't want anyone back that was banned only six months ago.

Samuraid
01-28-2006, 11:15 PM
Both "Banned" and "Recognized Member" titles are earned. Getting full PM storage space isn't something you can earn. So that's why extra PM space can be bought, and custom titles and status cannot. :)

eestlinc
01-28-2006, 11:21 PM
well you can earn full PM storage space by being invited to join staff.

Old Manus
01-28-2006, 11:21 PM
To punish people for joing the forum too late, charge registerees $10 a month for registration

For an avatar it is $5 for a database one, and an extra $2 a day storage space for an uploaded avatar

When it comes to signatures, it is $1 per pixel. People are encouraged to break size limits to get banned and pay to get unbanned

After 100 posts, it is a $20 fixed charge to access forums other than General Archive

Custom Titles are available for free after 8 months or immediately with a $2 a month charge until 8 months are up

So much good will come of this, nobody will join and complain to the papers who will in turn publiscise the forum, bringing more members. Employment rates will rise due to people needing to pay registration costs

If we start now, we can experience a 200% rise in profits by 2008

Dr Unne
01-28-2006, 11:22 PM
Have you considered making up a new custom title that people can buy which comes with no other rewards at all? Like an "I Gave Cid Money" title, indicating that you give a crap about EoFF enough to give Sean money. If you make it pretty colors, people will buy it. People will then feel special because everyone now knows that they gave Sean money.

That kind of title would be something people earn, too. By giving Sean money.

RSL
01-28-2006, 11:27 PM
...WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE MY IDEAS?? I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO BRING UP. ITS NOT LIKE EVERY BANNED PERSON CAN AFFORD TO PAY TO BE UNBANNED AFTER SIX MONTHS, OR MAYB A YEAR...

God, I hate how everyone is treating my ideas as smurfing <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

If Cid himself had posted this exact same thread, I would've said the same things. The only difference would be that he could tell me where to go and do it anyway.

The Man
01-28-2006, 11:28 PM
I approve of Unne's idea. You could also allow people to pay for larger avatars.

RSL
01-28-2006, 11:29 PM
Unne's idea I could go for, but that would be up to Cid. I wouldn't like the avatar thing, however, as everyone having different sized avatars would be ugly.

Psychotic
01-28-2006, 11:34 PM
...WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE MY IDEAS?? I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO BRING UP. ITS NOT LIKE EVERY BANNED PERSON CAN AFFORD TO PAY TO BE UNBANNED AFTER SIX MONTHS, OR MAYB A YEAR...

God, I hate how everyone is treating my ideas as smurfing <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.If you're so sensitive about your ideas, then don't post them in a public forum.

This idea might even lose EoFF some revenue. Think about it, if people kept getting away with breaking rules whenever they wanted, the less likely other people would be to want to stay, and so ad revenue is diminished.

Also, the staff might even start handing out bans more readily because of this, and then someone who doesn't want to pay and wouldn't have been banned originally loses out.

Finally, I think it'd undermine what little authority the staff of an internet forum actually have left.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 11:37 PM
But I wasn't suggesting that every banned person would do this. Certainly, the staff will also have a part in this process too. Wouldn't they? I mean, they wouldn't want someone who was troublesome before they got banned to return, now would they? Of course not.

eestlinc
01-28-2006, 11:37 PM
as opposed to someone who wasn't troublesome before they got banned?

Yamaneko
01-28-2006, 11:38 PM
We don't want anyone back that was banned only six months ago.
Or even a year.

Rye
01-28-2006, 11:39 PM
I like Unne's idea, I was thinking about it myself too. That, I think, people would go for.

RSL
01-28-2006, 11:40 PM
they wouldn't want someone who was troublesome before they got banned to return, now would they? Of course not.
This is the problem with your idea. If we didn't find them troublesome, if we didn't WANT them banned, they wouldn't be banned. You were on staff for a very long time, you should realize this.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 11:42 PM
Or even a year.

Why, does the staff hold grudges against banned people who would wouldn't mind paying to be unbanned?

It's a win-win situation! EoFF/Cid get money to help pay server cost and the banned person will get a second oppurtunity to post again, if the person were to get banned again, then he/she would not be able to pay again.

Old Manus
01-28-2006, 11:43 PM
It seems too much hassle for someone like me to pay in dollars

Yamaneko
01-28-2006, 11:45 PM
We don't hold grudges. At least I don't. We just don't want to send the message, "Hey don't worry if you fuck up, you can buy your way back in!".

escobert
01-28-2006, 11:46 PM
as opposed to someone who wasn't troublesome before they got banned?
right, like crash he was such a upstanding member of this comunity.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 11:48 PM
But it would help pay for the server, what's the problem with help when it comes to money? I'm sure there are flaws in this idea, but I think it's very good. It will cost them to pay to return, and the staff can decide whether to accept the payment and unban the member or not . It's not that complicated as you guys are making it.

eestlinc
01-28-2006, 11:52 PM
how many times would the situation even become a possibility? Maybe once a year. It's not worth $20 a year to have to deal with all the negative side effects of letting people buy their way back in.

RSL
01-28-2006, 11:53 PM
I can think of very few people that I myself would vote "yes" on in this.

escobert
01-28-2006, 11:55 PM
Ok Loki and HOOTERS can do it. the end! how about we just unban them anyways? :D

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 11:55 PM
Of course it may not occur very often, but I do believe in giving members a second chance to become a member, and if paying $20 to get unbanned after perhaps a year is their only oppurtunity to have it, then it should be worth it.

Yamaneko
01-28-2006, 11:57 PM
After two years a banned member may appeal for an unbanning.

Ace Protorney
01-28-2006, 11:58 PM
But what if they want to get unbanned earlier? Let them pay for an early reinstatement.

Yamaneko
01-28-2006, 11:59 PM
Nah.

Ace Protorney
01-29-2006, 12:03 AM
I don't want to repeat myself, but you know very well what it means for the server payment. You won't accept payment from a banned member who is WILLING to pay $20 to be unbanned and given a second chance to post? And how likely will this happen? Maybe twice a year on a regular basis? That's like $40 dollars for the server cost.

theundeadhero
01-29-2006, 12:07 AM
As far as Unne's idea goes I don't like the idea of getting a special color title because you paid money for the server. It would be like a status symbol with no purpose. It just shows off which is why regular color custom titles aren't around in the first place. I've given Cid money before and I certainly wouldn't want one.

RSL
01-29-2006, 12:07 AM
That poor dead horse. Why must you beat it so?

Samuraid
01-29-2006, 12:12 AM
The server cost is generally not really an issue here anyway.

MecaKane
01-29-2006, 12:12 AM
I don't want to repeat myself, but you know very well what it means for the server payment. You won't accept payment from a banned member who is WILLING to pay $20 to be unbanned and given a second chance to post? And how likely will this happen? Maybe twice a year on a regular basis? That's like $40 dollars for the server cost.

Look! If someone is banned by the staff. The staff doesn't want them posting here, nor do they want to give them a second chance. They give second chances BEFORE they ban, if they're deserving of one. Money doesn't make them more deserving. It's very nice that you're continuing to fight for peter, but it's probably all in vane.

-N-
01-29-2006, 12:14 AM
...WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE MY IDEAS?? I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO BRING UP. ITS NOT LIKE EVERY BANNED PERSON CAN AFFORD TO PAY TO BE UNBANNED AFTER SIX MONTHS, OR MAYB A YEAR...

God, I hate how everyone is treating my ideas as smurfing <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.Maybe because they are <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">. Learn to take no for an answer.

Learn how to take "that's a really dumb idea" for an answer too, the way things are looking.

Can Psychotic pay me $20 for my RM title? :p

Ace Protorney
01-29-2006, 12:15 AM
Yes, but what if the person posted an "inappropriate" picture by mistake, got banned, and will wait to pay to return? I'm referring to those kind of banned members, the kind that got instantly banned for posting a pic, perhaps by mistake, or not.

Neel, I just don't see what's so wrong with allowing members to freakin pay to be unbanned, if they are damned willing to pay? EoFF is getting some money through this. Surely, soon enough, it's going to cost to keep a forum that's growing in size to stay online.

RSL
01-29-2006, 12:17 AM
You don't "accidentally" post an inappropriate picture. And if this is all that this idea is about, you can definitely forget it. We've been down this road before.

Ace Protorney
01-29-2006, 12:20 AM
You don't "accidentally" post an inappropriate picture. And if this is all that this idea is about, you can definitely forget it. We've been down this road before.

It's not that, I'm not saying that perhaps accidently posted a picture, I'm just saying this would be an option for banned members who were banned instantly rather than being given warnings.

Yamaneko
01-29-2006, 12:21 AM
We rather not.

Miriel
01-29-2006, 12:22 AM
Neel, I just don't see what's so wrong with allowing members to freakin pay to be unbanned, if they are damned willing to pay? EoFF is getting some money through this. Surely, soon enough, it's going to cost to keep a forum that's growing in size to stay online.
Because it amounts to basically buying off the Staff.

Oops, I screwed up and posted porn, here have $20 bucks and we'll forget about the whole thing. Mmkay?

That kind of stuff is just shady. And I have a hard time seeing any respectable forum allowing for such a thing.

MecaKane
01-29-2006, 12:23 AM
If they thought it was a good idea to let people who accidently post porn have a second chance, they'd do that. And not just let people with a credit card buy their way back in. @_@

The Man
01-29-2006, 12:24 AM
You don't "accidentally" post an inappropriate picture.I disagree with that assessment. Accidents happen all the time.

However, Kane, Neel and everyone else are right. You'd be better off dropping the issue; it's obvious they're not going to change their minds, and it looks like this thread is starting to get on people's nerves.

-N-
01-29-2006, 12:24 AM
Yep, what Miriel (edit: and The Man) said.

And what if I was banned? Pfft, I don't get banned.

eestlinc
01-29-2006, 12:25 AM
you'd be hard pressed to accidentally post an inappropriate picture, but it is possible to accidentally link to inappropriate pictures.

MecaKane
01-29-2006, 12:28 AM
Accidents do happen, but there's a good chance you'd be able to see that you posted porn and delete your link/attachment before anyone sees. Before the thumbnails I always checked my attachments to make sure they were right. "*click* oh that's not a picture of my dog, it's a chick blowing off a snow penis. wtf is wrong with me that I keep pictures of my dog next to pictures like this? :cry: *switch*"

The Man
01-29-2006, 12:29 AM
That's not exactly possible if you don't habitually preview your posts before submitting them, but it is a valid point I guess.

RSL
01-29-2006, 12:33 AM
It's a moot point, because it doesn't matter if it's accidental or not. Also, that is not the subject of this thread, so back on topic please.

-N-
01-29-2006, 12:42 AM
What is the topic again? Seems like everything's moot because everything's been shot down.

Oh right. Can Psychotic pay me for my RM title? ^_^

Rye
01-29-2006, 12:51 AM
I would lose a lot of respect for the staff and EoFF if it sold out like that, like others said. So yeah, it's not the best idea. :)

But like I said before, I really like Dr. Unne's idea. Some things are good to buy, but not the right to get back onto the forum after getting banned. Some stuff like Unne's idea and maybe the right to make your custom title have colours or something that comes with paying the 20 for the year.

Ace Protorney
01-29-2006, 12:53 AM
I guess you make a fair point Rye, and that's understandable. I really haven't thought about that, but it does make a point that the staff would seem to lose some credibility...

Well, there goes this idea out the window.

Leeza
01-29-2006, 01:03 AM
Proto, no one would be able to pay me to allow 99% of any banned member back on to this site. I, however, would pay to actually ban more members and keep the banned ones out.

EDIT: Sorry. I did not see that you had already closed the thread.