FF8 Riddles

[farplaner]

nope.

[Crye 4 Me]

Rinoa?????????

[Fantasy Fan]

Laguna!

[~SapphireStar~]

I say Ellone, but I guess we'll have to wait till hes back online.
How frustrating.

[farplaner]

Laguna!

You got it!

None could have foreseen my rise to power,: Laguna is always "fumbling and bumbling," not the kind of guy you would think would become president...then again....there's W. Bush.

and those who know my past have suffered.: squall and the gang witnessed his past with Ellone's help, and suffered may not have been the right word, but apparently it did the job.

Squall is within my grasp!: referring to the Squall card.

Your turn Fantasy Fan.

[Twilight Edge]

Whoa,now that's the most random guessed answer I've ever seen.

[farplaner]

Whoa,now that's the most random guessed answer I've ever seen.

I thought so too, but it's right nontheless. Then again, fantasy fan does punctuaute with an exclamation mark as if to say "I know this is right!"

still your turn fan. fan...

EDIT: or someone go...

[IceAngel]

Oook...... I'll go then I guess.

I own my own Store, futuristic or not
My favourite colour is green.
I think Chocobos are kind of like me.

It might be very easy and I apologise.

[Crye 4 Me]

Choco boy

[HolyMackeral]

Im thinking Choco Boy too, but if not maybe CC Joker?

[IceAngel]

Nope.

[Doomie]

The answ3r is CL0UD

[HolyMackeral]

Futuristic or not

Is it someone on the Ragnarok when you go into time-compression?

[IceAngel]

No not cloud (:confused:)

Well, I guess you could call it a someone...

[Crye 4 Me]

.

I own my own Store, futuristic or not
My favourite colour is green.
I think Chocobos are kind of like me.

[Doomie]

rubah weapon says tonberry. The GF.

[IceAngel]

Yep well done!

I own my own Store, futuristic or not - Junk shop (could also be the fact you can take him into the future with you)
My favourite colour is green. - well I couldn't say it was green :)
I think Chocobos are kind of like me. - well they both make an appearance in most of the FF's if i'm not mistaken.

[Doomie]

G'Job rubah.

Shielded from the light,
As the evil and despair builds up,
I can taste the victory.

Find me near the Puny Castle,
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness.

[IceAngel]

This has something to do with a painting in Ultimecia's castle right?

[Doomie]

Sorry, but no. =[

[Twilight Edge]

Is it Gargantua,that skull-like boss?

[HolyMackeral]

Tri-point? or Odin maybe?

[BG-57]

Red Giant?

[Doomie]

No to all of them. =] I'll wait a bit before I give a hint or so.

[DoaJ]

It's Ultimecia


Shielded from the light, - Lives in a castle
As the evil and despair builds up, - Ulti is evil, :]]]
I can taste the victory. - Cuz the end is so close

Find me near the Puny Castle, - Maybe not so puny, but yeah
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness. - Time Compression, she'd be the only one

[Doomie]

Sorry, but I wouldn't make it that obvious. =] Ask Thingfish though, I bet he can solve it!

[DoaJ]

Sorry, but I wouldn't make it that obvious. =] Ask Thingfish though, I bet he can solve it!

i thought it was really obvious, but nobody had said it and it made sense, lol. I'll try again, later.

[Doomie]

Guesses so far:
Gargantua
Tri-Point
Odin
Ultimicea

Hints: Has nothing to do with the paintings in the castle.

Next hint will be: 11PM Eastern Time.

[Rantz]

Shielded from the light,
Shielded from the light? So the answer lives (or resides) in a place shielded from the light, maybe underground, in a dark spot, a generally dark building or something. Or maybe shielded from a specific light source, as the one in Deep Sea Research Center? Could of course also be metaphoric, the light being knowledge or "the ultimate insight" or the truth or whatever. Shielded from truth/insight/knowledge could be someone living a lie for example. Also, Bahamut says when you defeat him: "Have you seen the light?". Just a thought.

As the evil and despair builds up,
I can taste the victory.
Implies that the answer is evil. As evil grows, the answer feels mightier? Thinks it's going to win? Close to a battle? The enemies that that the party fights might grow stronger the closer the party gets to the answer.

Find me near the Puny Castle,
A puny castle? Does the capitalization matter? If so, it might be a name that is "rewritten", for example if a place was called Fort petit (small castle in french) it could be described like this. It could also be referring to a model or miniature of a castle, in which case the paintings in Ultimecia's castle would fit, but as you already denied that, we'll have to search somewhere else.

Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness.
Rudolph as in "Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer"? This feels like an external reference, but it could also be someone or something in the game that resembles Rudolph TRNR. Of course it could simply be referring to Rudolph's loneliness, but I have a feeling there's more than that to it.
The pit of loneliness could be a symbolic or a literal pit.

I have a couple of guesses, they all feel a bit obvious though. Oh well, I'll guess anyway. Ultima weapon or Bahamut?

[McLovin']

Tonberry King.


Shielded from the light, - Deep within Centra Ruins where we cannot see it and holds a lantern to see I guess?

As the evil and despair builds up, - It is waiting for you to defeat 20 Tonberries
I can taste the victory. - Then once you do that it will want to defeat you

Find me near the Puny Castle, - You say "near" so...but Centra is broken down and puny

Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness. - Centra is lonely :)

[Fantasy Fan]

It's Squall!

Sheilded from the light -- Squall is Emo
As the evil and despair builds up, -- Squall doesn't like evil and despair
I can taste the victory -- Squall is a warrior (or whatever)

Find me near the puny castle -- this goes for too many things, some are obvious
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness -- ermm, did you call Rinoa Rudolph?

Squall is the answer!

[Owen Macwere]

Shielded from the light,
Shielded from the light? So the answer lives (or resides) in a place shielded from the light, maybe underground, in a dark spot, a generally dark building or something. Or maybe shielded from a specific light source, as the one in Deep Sea Research Center? Could of course also be metaphoric, the light being knowledge or "the ultimate insight" or the truth or whatever. Shielded from truth/insight/knowledge could be someone living a lie for example. Also, Bahamut says when you defeat him: "Have you seen the light?". Just a thought.

As the evil and despair builds up,
I can taste the victory.
Implies that the answer is evil. As evil grows, the answer feels mightier? Thinks it's going to win? Close to a battle? The enemies that that the party fights might grow stronger the closer the party gets to the answer.

Find me near the Puny Castle,
A puny castle? Does the capitalization matter? If so, it might be a name that is "rewritten", for example if a place was called Fort petit (small castle in french) it could be described like this. It could also be referring to a model or miniature of a castle, in which case the paintings in Ultimecia's castle would fit, but as you already denied that, we'll have to search somewhere else.

Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness.
Rudolph as in "Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer"? This feels like an external reference, but it could also be someone or something in the game that resembles Rudolph TRNR. Of course it could simply be referring to Rudolph's loneliness, but I have a feeling there's more than that to it.
The pit of loneliness could be a symbolic or a literal pit.

I have a couple of guesses, they all feel a bit obvious though. Oh well, I'll guess anyway. Ultima weapon or Bahamut?

such a good explaination. shoul have took you a long time to write it buddy. thank you:D

[Doomie]

Sorry, but no right answers. =[ The answer isn't a big character. Also, focus on answering on the bolded line.

[HolyMackeral]

Is the puny castle the one in Centra?

[Laugh at face of Danger]

In the Tombo of the Unknown King?

Brothers! Or the King of the Tomb!

Shielded from the light, - its a dark cavern full of walls and no light
As the evil and despair builds up, - Death is purdy evil
I can taste the victory. - they think tyhey gunna win
Find me near the Puny Castle, - it's a like a castle, but small ^^
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness. - Didn't quite get this bit >.<

[Doomie]

Still no correct answers. C'mon people, focus on the bolded line. Although I like the way Laugh at Face of Danger thinks. His answer isn't close, but I have a feeling that he will be the one to get it right.

[IceAngel]

Is it the Desert Prison?

[Doomie]

Nah. Hint: The Puny Castle isn't any location in the game. Again, focus on the fourth line.

[Owen Macwere]

and what is THE PUNY CASTEL mean? *scratch back of head*

[ffrinoa8]

Geez this is hard... you said it's n major landmarks or people correct?

[Doomie]

It is not a major location or a major character.

[DoaJ]

Shielded from the light, - He stays in the Garden's training center
As the evil and despair builds up, - throughout the game
I can taste the victory. - he knows the end is close

Find me near the Puny Castle, - the castle i.e. the card group, Joker , Queen, King, etc.
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness. - He is the only character to be stationed in the training center.

IT IS JOKER!!!

[Doomie]

Oooh, that makes sense, I'm really glad someone is starting to think outside the box. However, the answer is wrong, as is the interpretation of Puny Castle. Nice guess though.

[IceAngel]

Is it something to do with the mission at Dollet Tower?

[Doomie]

Unfortunately not. =[[[

[IceAngel]

Is it anything to do with cards at all?

[Doomie]

Oooooh, now we're getting somewhere. Yep, cards play a tiny role in the riddle.

[Moerae]

Probably a way off guess, but is it that guy in Dollet. Can't remember his name, but he's up on the second storey of the bar... and you play him after you've defeated Quistis...?

[IceAngel]

Shielded from the light,
As the evil and despair builds up,
I can taste the victory.

Find me near the Puny Castle,
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness.

Ok my next guess was going to be Angelo card. This is because Rinoa's room on the forest our train is like a little castle and Rinoa is called the 'Princess'.

[Doomie]

No to both. The answer isn't a card, but it does have to do with cards.

[Owen Macwere]

wait is it rinoa's card, I mean garaway, he is having it and keeping it save, victory means having Ifrite, and garaway lives in his mansion, right? ^^... please let me be correct.

[Doomie]

Once I said "Please make me be like Mike!" and I drained a half-court shot. Oh, and that's wrong. :p

[DoaJ]

Once I said "Please make me be like Mike!" and I drained a half-court shot. Oh, and that's wrong. :p

Brilliantly hilarious.

[Owen Macwere]

Once I said "Please make me be like Mike!" and I drained a half-court shot. Oh, and that's wrong. :p

oh, thanks alot:eep: . I thought I had it right.and you ruined it for me:cry: .

[IceAngel]

Card refinary?

[G SpOtZ]

I'm just gonna throw out a not-very-well-thought-out answer...

One of the prisoners in the Desert Prison? Alone, dark, card player, battle meter, and all that junk that the guy gives might be clues for the riddle. Anyway, that's my guess.

[IceAngel]

If your are right well done :) I was vague a while ago and said 'Desert Prison' but you might have got it...

[Doomie]

Unfortunately not.

BIG HUGE ULTIMO HINT: Two lines of the riddle (Numbers 3 and 4) refer to things in real life. Well, four much more then three, but three still has a little bit to do with the real world.

[G SpOtZ]

I'm having trouble interpreting the rudolph part...

EDIT: Something to do with the Alexander card, that the guy up in the space station has. Anything in that direction?

Shielded from the light, -- Space, darkness.
As the evil and despair builds up, -- Adel
I can taste the victory. -- She gets closer to achieving freedom.

Find me near the Puny Castle, - Alexander Card
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness. - Piet gets lost after the whole space incident.

[Doomie]

Nope.

Hint for the Rudolph line: Think of the song.

[G SpOtZ]

Rudolph... hmmm... he has a unique talent to him, he was made fun of for being unique, so he was left out, then finally he was accepted because his talent became of use. That's a summary. Still not feelin it though.

[IceAngel]

Well then I'm guessing its something to do with Rinoa

[Eiko Guy]

rudolph the rednese reindeer had a very shiny nose blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you could even say it glows does it have to do with that weird glowing light in deep sea research center bahamut
i can taste victory could mean because mega flare comes from his mouth and 1 megaflare is enough to kill most ppl so it tastes like victory

[Doomie]

Nope. It actually refers to one specific line to the song.

[G SpOtZ]

=\

The Ragnarok.

[Moerae]

another random guess... the headmaster of galbadia garden? he mopes around mayor dobie's house, which could be called a puny castle. ^^;

[Rantz]

Nope. It actually refers to one specific line to the song.
To be honest, I never actually heard the song. But, these are the lyrics I found:

You know Dasher and Dancer
And Prancer and Vixen,
Comet and Cupid
And Donner and Blitzen,
But do you recall
The most famous reindeer of all?

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
Had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw it
You would even say it glows

All of the other reindeer
Used to laugh and call him names
They never let poor Rudolph
Join in any reindeer games

Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright,
Won't you guide my sleigh tonight?"

Then all the reindeer loved him
As they shouted out with glee:
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer,
You'll go down in history!

Hope you don't mind me posting them.
"They never let poor Rudolph join in any reindeer games" - This sound like the most fitting line for the riddle to refer to. However, I could be wrong. It could also be something with the names in the beginning. Blitzen, for example, has a name very similar to the monster Blitz. Not sure where I'm going here. :p

[BG-57]

Donner and Blitzen mean thunder and lightning in German, respectively.

[Eiko Guy]

shielded from light could mean shielded from the reindeer person

[Laugh at face of Danger]

Reindeer games, ie some form of racing, perhaps? This leads me to the Grand Chocobo Haven in the Grand Forest

[IceAngel]

Is it Zell???? The reason I guessed this is coz of the lines ' all of the other reinderr used to laugh n call him names'...
.... but thats totally irellevant

[Doomie]

No correct answers, BUT someone picked the correct line of the song that will help you find the answer to the riddle. Who? We'll find out later. (The games part)

[Kahri]

Is it Alexander?

[Doomie]

I think its been guessed already.

[Crye 4 Me]

is it when seifer torchered Squall, asking what is SeeD?

[Doomie]

I can't believe Edmonton lost. =[ Sorry, not that.

[IceAngel]

Is it a random little kid thats left out?

[Eiko Guy]

i think it has to do with the white seeDs and ellone noone was left out they were shielded from the light whatever the light is

[Doomie]

Neither. The answer has a name. In fact, I'm sure once everyone is told the answer, they'll be like: OHHH YEAH!

Actually, they'll probably be like "How do you figure??!?!"

Either way, Ask Sir Bahamut, I want him to solve it.

[G SpOtZ]

Oh, it's chocoboy. Or that chocobo kid in the chocobo forests.

[Doomie]

I think its been guessed already. And sorry, but no.

[Laugh at face of Danger]

NORG

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

The shadow stone that you have to look for in Shumi Village?

Shielded from the light - Found in shadows
As the evil and despair builds up - found near ultima draw point (Ultima evil???)
I can taste the victory - one of the last stones to be found
Find me near the Puny Castle - don't know about this
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness - Not found in same areas as other stones

[Doomie]

Naahhh. Remember, the line from the Rudolph song you need to focus on is the reindeer games.

[Laugh at face of Danger]

Shielded from the light, - space!
As the evil and despair builds up, - lunar cry
I can taste the victory - something in real life...?
Find me near the Puny Castle, - ... also something in real life...?
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness - space is lonely

Ellone?

[Crye 4 Me]

Nida.

Shielded from the light, - He stays up in the pilot compartment
As the evil and despair builds up, - the evil in the game is growing
I can taste the victory - he can feel that its going to be all right
Find me near the Puny Castle, - Garden
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness - no one ever remembers him.

I repete it has to be Nida

[G SpOtZ]

Erm, did you guys pay attention to Doomie? Doomie said the line about Rudolph has to do with "reindeer" games.

With this, I'm guessing Odin.

Shielded from the light, - He remains in his dark little chamber.

As the evil and despair builds up, - Not sure, he talks during the countdown.

I can taste the victory - Relating to zantetsuken? or the fact that he never fights back?

Find me near the Puny Castle - he's freaking huge, along with this throne, so the centra ruins seem small.

Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness - Reindeer games may be referring to how you have to beat the time limit and solve the puzzle to get to Odin, who happens to be alone in his chamber.

[IceAngel]

The chocobo shrine?

[Carl the Llama]

Shielded from the light,... its in Space
As the evil and despair builds up... its where the luna cry is building up
I can taste the victory.... you have to win it
Find me near the Puny Castle... meaning the Alexander card
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness... cant think of an answer for this one but...

it must be the Laguna Card!!! tell me im right... i must be =)

[Doomie]

Nope. The Puny Castle has NOTHING to do with Alexander.

[IceAngel]

Is it when Rinoa is locked in her dads mansion and Quistis and the others won't let her take part in the mission because they think Rinoa thinks its just a game?

[Doomie]

It also has nothing to do with ANY MAIN CHARACTERS.

[Owen Macwere]

this is tough, my head is bussing. any hints ^^ please............

[IceAngel]

Yea could we have a hint please? Or could you list all the hints you've already given us please?

[Doomie]

Di di say that the answer is an enemy? And the shrowded be evil or something is meant to be something literal.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

is the card you refer to rare or common?

[Doomie]

Answering that question would completely give away the answer, something which I'm not prepared to do.

[G SpOtZ]

Omega Weapon.

He first appears as a shroud of black smoke, or a cloud or something.
Evil and despair probably refers to ulti's castle. or something.
I can taste the victory may be referring to the fact that he's one of the hardest bosses in the game.
Still dunno what the puny castle refers to...
Reindeer games may be referring to the fact that you have to do some puzzles and get to Omega Weapon in time before the timer runs out.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Cerberus
Shielded from the light, - Dog of the underworld
As the evil and despair builds up, - Underworld
I can taste the victory - He gloats during battle
Find me near the Puny Castle, - Underworld
Joining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness - ??? other dogs make fun out of him ????

[IceAngel]

Is it a Creep card/monster?

[Doomie]

None to all. The answer isn't a card, but it has a little to do with cards.

[G SpOtZ]

How could "Puny Castle" refer to something in real life? That's confusing the helll outta meh.

[Rantz]

How could "Puny Castle" refer to something in real life? That's confusing the helll outta meh.
I looked on the cover and in the manual, but nothing there from what I saw. I'm confused too, but I'm sure it has a reasonable explanation.

[Doomie]

Should I just give away a hint that'll basically give away the answer, and end this madness?

[HolyMackeral]

Please do.

[G SpOtZ]

Are there anymore hints that won't give it away? If so, just let out that one...

[Doomie]

*breathes in* Alright, because I don't feel like checking this...

Puny Castle is an anagram.

[Rantz]

Puny Castle is an anagram.
Umm... Uncle Patsy... Stanley cup... Could Stanley cup be what it refers to? I can't find anything else. I have to think about this.

[HolyMackeral]

does Reindeer games have anything to do with the movie?

[IceAngel]

If its an Anagram there's about a million combinations... here are few :)

STANLEY CUP, PLAN CUT YES, TAP SYNC LEU (could be to do with a bathroom lol).

EDIT: Oh, stanley cup has already been said. Sorry.

[BG-57]

I'm going to guess Slappers, the demi-human hockey players in Galbadia Garden's hockey rink. One of the Reindeer games alluded to could be hockey, and the Stanley Cup is a trophy won in hockey championships. The rink is indoors, so it is shielded from the light.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

??? The anagram is harder than the riddle lol

[BG-57]

Must be the work of Santa :radred:

[Doomie]

I'm going to guess Slappers, the demi-human hockey players in Galbadia Garden's hockey rink. One of the Reindeer games alluded to could be hockey, and the Stanley Cup is a trophy won in hockey championships. The rink is indoors, so it is shielded from the light.

Yes, the answer IS a Slapper. Although the only reason anyone got it right was because I gave the anagram. Not to mention the only thing that has to do with the Stanley Cup in the came is Slappers. Logic?

The first three lines pretty much refer to what they look like and what they do. Shielded from darkness thingie refers to the mask. Tasting the victory refers to the fact that both the goal of a hockey player and an enemy in the game is to win.

The Puny Castle line is as we both know the big hint. Puny Castle is an anagram for Stanley Cup, which should have pointed you towards the idea of hockey/Slappers.

Lastly, the "RJoining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness." is my favorite line. I told you which line of the song it refers to. "They wouldn't let poor Rudolph join in any reindeer games." This actually refers to the fact that Slapper is one of the only enemies that doesn't have his pwn card in the Triple Triad game. Go ahead B52 or whatever. =]

[IceAngel]

That was a good riddle. Apart from the fact I didn't really know what the Stanley cup was (I'd heard of it though) :P. Well done BG-57!

[BG-57]

Thanks. But I'm surprised no one beat me to the Stanley Cup-hockey-Slapper connection. :greenie:

The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian

[IceAngel]

We don't need to explain for this one do we?

Is it Odin?

[BG-57]

No, but an explanation would be welcome, of course.

It's not Odin.

[Rantz]

The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian
Hmm... This one could be tricky, seeing as there is no 'me' in the riddle, so we don't really know what to search for. But that just makes it more interesting! :D

'The realm of the dark knight' definitely reminds me of Odin. The place where he is found is called Centra ruins, but has a sign saying "My blue heaven" outside.

'Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian'
This reminds me of Tonberrys and Tonberry king. Ehm... Gah. I can't think right now. My brain is filled with syrup.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Seifer

Dark Knight - 'Dark Sorceress' knight
Monument - nothing to show for his doings
minions - fujin and raijin
untrustworthy - joined Galbadia to fight Balamb Garden

[BG-57]

It's not the Tonberry King or Tonberries in general.

I knew somebody would guess Seifer, but it's not him either.

[Carl the Llama]

could it be the tomb of the uinknown king?

The realm of the dark knight---the dark knight death
No monument to his glory---there is no monument for death
Just a lot of lost minions---everyone that kills is deaths minions
And an untrustworthy guardian---the brothers posibly... its the best i can come up with rightnow

[G SpOtZ]

could it be the tomb of the uinknown king?

The realm of the dark knight---the dark knight death
No monument to his glory---there is no monument for death
Just a lot of lost minions---everyone that kills is deaths minions
And an untrustworthy guardian---the brothers posibly... its the best i can come up with rightnow
Where'd you get the "death" part? And there were plenty of monuments in the Tomb of the Unknown King.

[BG-57]

It's not the Tomb of the Unknown King, but it is a place.


Where'd you get the "death" part? And there were plenty of monuments in the Tomb of the Unknown King.

I thought it was a well-reasoned guess, actually. Although I would have said 'guardians' had I been referring to the Brothers.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

centra ruins (place where you find Odin)

The realm of the dark knight---Odin
No monument to his glory---in shatters
Just a lot of lost minions---tonberries
And an untrustworthy guardian---tonberry master who is actually another tonberry who joined the party that defeated so many of his species

[BG-57]

It's not the Centra Ruins.

[Carl the Llama]

centra ruins (place where you find Odin)

The realm of the dark knight---Odin
No monument to his glory---in shatters
Just a lot of lost minions---tonberries
And an untrustworthy guardian---tonberry master who is actually another tonberry who joined the party that defeated so many of his species
lol i thought the same thing but i thought that would be to easy... seems i was right

and now i think about it i think it could be the Tears Point (the place where the Lunatic Pandora goes to)

[G SpOtZ]

The Deep Sea Deposit (Area under the Research Center)

The realm of the dark knight - It's where Ultima Weapon resides, and I consider him a "knight" because of his sword and power.

No monument to his glory - There's nothing to represent Ultima Weapon and his strength or reign, except for the ruins.

Just a lot of lost minions - The scientists and researchers are all gone, if they're considered minions... and you have no choice but to destroy every monster you come across on your way down to the deposit.

And an untrustworthy guardian - Either Bahamut or Eden... They're both guardian forces, and they can both be converted to your side of the team. Bahamut is sort of "guarding" the deposit, because if you don't beat him, you can't make your way down farther. Eden, on the other hand, is a Guardian Force that Ultima Weapon wields, and you can extract it.

[BG-57]

Good guesses, but it's not Tears' Point or the Deep Sea Deposit.

[G SpOtZ]

Here's a wild guess:
The big mansion/house in Winhill, where you take up the vase sidequest.

[BG-57]

The suit of armor could represent the Knight, right? It's not the Winhill Mansion though. :p

EDIT:

I'll repost my riddle, since we're on a new page:

The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian

[IceAngel]

Is it Blitz? It looks like a knight.

[Squall_VIII]

Diablos?

The realm of the dark knight--(his dimension)
No monument to his glory--(no monument to him after all the challengers he has destroyed)
Just a lot of lost minions--(those who he has defeated)
And an untrustworthy guardian--(Cid becouse he gives the lamp to squall)

[Carl the Llama]

it couldnt be Diablos as BG already said it was a place

[BG-57]

It's not Blitz or Diablos or his dimension.

I should mention that the answer is a place, not a person.

[Carl the Llama]

It's not Blitz or Diablos or his dimension.

I should mention that the answer is a place, not a person.
lol seconds apart XD

[BG-57]

Heh. :D

BTW, I'll provide hints upon request.

[Owen Macwere]

ok.
can you give a hint please, it is too hard to solve this, please.
good now? ^^

[BG-57]

The Knight alluded to is legendary.

[Moerae]

The place where Odin is... Centra Ruins?

[BG-57]

It's not Centra Ruins or Odin, as I've said before. :eep:

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Lunatic Pandora

The realm of the dark knight - Perhaps you refer to Gilgamesh if not Odin
No monument to his glory - ???
Just a lot of lost minions - Seifer, Fujin and Raijin
And an untrustworthy guardian - Mobile Type 8

[BG-57]

It's not Lunatic Pandora.

[Rantz]

Hmm, well, here's a longshot. It's so much of a longshot that I don't want to bother explaining if it isn't correct :D

Zell's room?

[Owen Macwere]

the tomb of the unknown king??!!!

[Rantz]

the tomb of the unknown king??!!!
Already been guessed. BG, you should probably list already guessed answers in your first post on this page :)

[IceAngel]

Has the Underwater Research Facility been said yet?

[Squall_VIII]

Random guess................Ultimecia's castle :save:

[Carl the Llama]

Has the Underwater Research Facility been said yet?
yes it has

[BG-57]

Incorrect Guesses:


Odin
Gilgamesh
Tonberry King
Tonberries
Seifer
Diablos
Blitz

Centra Ruins
Tomb of the Unknown King
Tear's Point
Deep Sea Deposit
Winhill Mansion
Diablos' Dimension
Lunatic Pandora
Zell's Room
Ultimecia's Castle

Remember that the answer is a place, not a person.

[Shiny]

Esthar

[IceAngel]

The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian

Erm.... random guess.... Centra Crater

[Shin Gouken]

Balamb garden... or more specifically the basement level where Norg resides?

[BG-57]

It's not Esthar, Centra Crater, or Balamb Garden.

[Owen Macwere]

Random guess... Deling city??

[BG-57]

Nope.

[IceAngel]

Can we have another clue please?

[BG-57]

Sure.

It's related to a subquest.

[snakebyte91]

could it be fire cavern?

[BG-57]

It's not the Fire Cavern.

[snakebyte91]

come on this one is really hard

[Squall_VIII]

Is it the pub managers secret room that you can only get to after you beat him at cards?

The realm of the dark knight--(secret room)
No monument to his glory--(no monuments in the room like trophies for winning so often)
Just a lot of lost minions--(his rare cards)
And an untrustworthy guardian--(he wasn't good enough to beat you)

I know its a long shot but I'm getting desperate

[Owen Macwere]

the lake where the find that Yufo guardian that one... damt it I don't remember the name.

[BG-57]

It's hard in the sense that a riddle by Endless Twillight would be hard.

EDIT:

It's not the Dollet Pub.

Owen Macwere, do you mean Pupu? Or Obel Lake?

[Owen Macwere]

yes, that's it Obel lake ^^!

[snakebyte91]

ok then whats the next riddle?

[Owen Macwere]

ok then whats the next riddle?

it is 14 posts below:)

[Lenna]

The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian

I dunno if this is right but it's a guess.

There's a scene in the game which is a flash back to laguna. He plays a "legendary dark knight" that has to fight a ruby dragon. It's a movie so there's no real monument to how he became a dark knight or is one etc. His minions would be Ward and Kiros (although I believe Kiros was the only one present in this flashback) and also the co-star. The director and co-star flee the place, as Kiros is missing from the scene. The director "could" be laguna's guardian, as in reality, a director has full responsibility of his actors in production of the movie. So if anything happened to Laguna it'd be his fault.
I can't tell where this place is, so I can only say in Squall's dreams or in the "dream land". If I am right, I've agreed for Rantzien to take the riddle as he was the one who introduced me to this riddle in the first place.

[Squall_VIII]

I know what you are talking about, I belive thats the mountain in trabia :)

[G SpOtZ]

I know what you are talking about, I belive thats the mountain in trabia :)
Oh yeah, the Trabia Mountain Trail or something? Good explanation Lenna.

I'm wondering if the "Dark" in "dark knight" has anything significance.

[Lenna]

I thought about that, maybe it was in relation to a dark area (night time; dark knight) or maybe Kiros, he could be classed as a knight kinda.

[Squall_VIII]

Is the 'dark night' mentioned on the first line a different person to the man mentioned on the second line? :confused:

[Lenna]

I don't think so, but then if you're on about my explanation, Laguna had a monument of himself, but we're not on about laguna himself. I'm on about the character he played in that movie.

His glory could be his status as dark knight, and the monument would be how he became of this status. But we don't know do we? :P

[BG-57]

It's not Obel Lake or the Trabia Mountain.

However, Owen Macwere is on the right track. The answer is related to the Obel Lake subquest.

[G SpOtZ]

Perhaps the forest by Dollet? You know, the one with the talking monkey, haha.

[BG-57]

Mr. Monkey is one of my favorite characters in the game! But it's not his forest. :monkey:

[Owen Macwere]

Aha, the three stone faces that one tell lies and other say truth and the other say opposite things, ges I am so forgetfull, don't know thei names ^^!.

[Rantz]

Yay, I know. The answer is Mordred plains.

The realm of the dark knight
Mordred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordred) refers to the knight from the time of King Arthur. Wikipedia quote:
"Mordred or Modred (Welsh: Medraut) is a legendary figure of Britain, known in Arthurian legend as a notorious traitor who fought King Arthur at the Battle of Camlann, where he was killed and Arthur fatally wounded."

No monument to his glory
Well, there are no signs or monuments of Mordred, apart from his name.

Just a lot of lost minions
The lost minions are the stones that don't mean anything.

And an untrustworthy guardian
This is the red stones; they are untrustworthy because they tell the exact opposite of the truth.

[snakebyte91]

wow ive only just joined but it looks to me like people are way over thinking this:-)

[Rantz]

wow ive only just joined but it looks to me like people are way over thinking this:-)
It looks to me like you're being narrow-minded :)
The riddles on these forums are often deep and clever, with references to real life or legends, with synonyms, antonyms, anagrams and God knows what. It's seldomly easy.

[snakebyte91]

wow ive only just joined but it looks to me like people are way over thinking this:-)
It looks to me like you're being narrow-minded :)
The riddles on these forums are often deep and clever, with references to real life or legends, with synonyms, antonyms, anagrams and God knows what. It's seldomly easy.

yeah i just read the first couple pages i was wrong you are way way way under thinking this!!!

[BG-57]

Yay, I know. The answer is Mordred plains.

The realm of the dark knight
Mordred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordred) refers to the knight from the time of King Arthur. Wikipedia quote:
"Mordred or Modred (Welsh: Medraut) is a legendary figure of Britain, known in Arthurian legend as a notorious traitor who fought King Arthur at the Battle of Camlann, where he was killed and Arthur fatally wounded."

No monument to his glory
Well, there are no signs or monuments of Mordred, apart from his name.

Just a lot of lost minions
The lost minions are the stones that don't mean anything.

And an untrustworthy guardian
This is the red stones; they are untrustworthy because they tell the exact opposite of the truth.

You are correct Rantzien! Your go. :)

I'm sorry Owen Macwere, your description was accurate, but I needed the name of the place. :erm:

[Owen Macwere]

It is alright ^_~. It is just my poor memory and that I hadn't played the game for so long, and well after all I didn't do this subquest just heard of it.

[Rantz]

^^

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

[BG-57]

Well, let's get Miss Obvious out of the way first. Is it Raine?

[Rantz]

Nope, not Raine.

[Owen Macwere]

my english is not good I don't understand half this riddle. I think i'd give a random guess: Squall.

[snakebyte91]

could it be edea?

[Lenna]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

Is it Dr Odine? - Laguna's on a search to find Elle after she gets kidnapped, Dr Odine's purpose is to keep Elle under watch as she is Ultimecia's target. Maybe Dr Odine says to Laguna that he should get used to Elle not being around as she is a danger to the world?

[Rantz]

It's not Squall, Edea or Dr. Odine.
I'll give a hint to eliminate the usual guesses: The answer is not a character.

[IceAngel]

Lol, I'm still confuzzled :confused:

[snakebyte91]

could it be time compression
or something to do with time?

[Lenna]

What exactly are we looking for? Where in the riddle does it tell you?

[Rantz]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."


could it be time compression
or something to do with time?
It's not time compression. And a part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way. :rolleyes2


What exactly are we looking for? Where in the riddle does it tell you?
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out which is referring to the first part :D

Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth

Hints:
The answer is not a person.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Word play

[Lenna]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

Is it the Laguna card?

Lo and behold laguna says could be a way of his greeting even without words you can greet them with a look, and she would have got his card from somewhere and kept it.
There is no other way to get the card, without Elle there is no card, you may not even know it's there.

[Rantz]

Nope, not the Laguna card. Think about connections in the riddle ;)

[Kahri]

Does it have to do with Laguna's love for Ellone and wishing to give all his years just to be her, to see the things she has instead of living all those years trying to find her?

I know I am probobly wrong...someone's probobly guessed that one before.

[Rantz]

Nope, sorry.

[_yeojina_]

"Lo and behold", (A greeting, perhaps.)
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone. (What the--! Laguna's a grandpa?!)

"If I were you, (Dunno)
I'd give in for my age (Dunno)
in a previous world, (Dunno)
without Elle." (Dunno)

I'm not guessing the answer, but I have a question for Rantzien.

Is the answer an object which can be OBTAINED in the game? I'm meaning magazines, cards, potions, blah.

[Rantz]

Is the answer an object which can be OBTAINED in the game? I'm meaning magazines, cards, potions, blah.
Nope, it's not.

[snakebyte91]

is it refering to the space station ...?outer heaven?

[Rantz]

No :)

[G SpOtZ]

The Junction Machine Ellone

[Rantz]

Nope

Question the riddle, and as I said before, look for internal connections. If you don't you won't get anywhere.

[Lenna]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
wIthout Elle."

Is it the player by any chance?
when looking at this riddle, the first part refers to the storyline I believe, we see this. The whole previous world thing gives me the impression that it's our own world. As the game has Elle in it all over the place, but in our world, she doesn't really exist. Or it could be our way of thinking, "If I were you" if the player was laguna, he would have given up, as what we see, seems to be practically impossible to do in our world, we dont have the strength or determination to do all that laguna did, not to mention it's a make-believe world.

I dunno though. There doesn't seem to be any visible connection that's the problem, the whole riddle just doesn't make sense. The fact that it's in quotes concludes that it was said, or thought to oneself.

The answer is not a person.
The answer is not an obtainable item.

that leaves only places, metaphorical connections outwith the game, or enemies. And enemies don't make sense because they don't speak unless they are a person.

Any chance of another hint?

[Rantz]

It's not the player.
You're not exactly on the right track but you're getting there. "If I were you" is one of the more irrelevant lines (not entirely though). Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason. Again, question why the riddle reads as it does.

And you're right, the quotes imply that it's said. It's a continuation of Laguna's monologue from the first line.

Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle. ;)

[Hearts]

Hmm..I'm pretty sure this is wrong.

Is it youth?

[HolyMackeral]

I still dont understand what it is we are supposed to be figuring out here.
The riddle just seems like a statement to me.

[Rantz]

It's not youth.
A part of this riddle is figuring out what you're supposed to figure out. The riddle is NOT a description of the answer, when you have figured out the riddle's secret (big hint there) and are finished with the riddle, THEN you can think about what the result was and it will lead you to the answer.

So: Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.

[IceAngel]

I'm gonna make a random guess... Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone.

[Rantz]

Nope. Btw I'm sorry for giving such fuzzy hints but I don't want you to concentrate on finding an answer and then trying to pair it with the riddle.

BUT! I'm gonna give away a big hint because I'm starting to realize that you're getting nowhere without it.
The hint is: Word play

Now go figure that riddle out.

[snakebyte91]

it sounds as if laguna is showing ellone something, is that on the right track?

[Rantz]

Not really :p

[HolyMackeral]

Well im in over my head, ill just steer clear of this thread for a while

[snakebyte91]

Well im in over my head, ill just steer clear of this thread for a while
yeah i see what you mean...no oe will ever get this riddle.

ill give them 50pound if they do lol:D

[41-Inches-Wide]

"lo and behold, if I were you without elle."

a time and place without ellone...
Is it ultimecia's castle? timber? white seed ship?

This is harder than I thought. :3

[IceAngel]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
wIthout Elle."

And word play huh? hmmm well I cant do word play unless I see the words that the other words are 'played' against: for example "Ol'" is word play of old which sounds like "behold".

Is that the kind of 'word play' you mean?

[Rantz]

And word play huh? hmmm well I cant do word play unless I see the words that the other words are 'played' against: for example "Ol'" is word play of old which sounds like "behold".

Is that the kind of 'word play' you mean?
You're definitely on to something. :)

For you other guys, show some spirit damnit! :D

[IceAngel]

Is there any word play within the second section of the riddle?

[Owen Macwere]

is it 'loire'? just gathered the capetale letters in the riddle.
wrong right? ^^

[IceAngel]

Would that work? there isnt a capital R.

[Rantz]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion

Hints:
The answer is not a person.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract.


Is there any word play within the second section of the riddle?
wrong right? ^^
Yes, to both :)

[White Shadow]

You say we must look for connections within the riddle beforeeven trying to figure out the answer and connecting THAT to the riddle, should we be looking at the 2 sections of the riddle as if they have no connection with eachother? like, should we read them as if they are 2 separate quotes and not try and connect the 2 parts together?

[Rantz]

Look for connections throughout the WHOLE riddle. When your finished "solving" the riddle you can find out the answer by reading the first part.

New hint: The second part is directed at you, yes you. You being a riddle solver.

[IceAngel]

So is it something to do with reality? I mean OUR reality. I only ask this because you say about 'you' refering to 'us' as the riddle answerers.

[Rantz]

No other real world references than the "you".

[HolyMackeral]

I know you said 'you being a riddle solver' but is it also as you/us being a player? In which case id guess at a previous world being before we'd played the game.

And purely because I feel I must make a random guess I'm going to say the opening movie sequence.

[Rantz]

I know you said 'you being a riddle solver' but is it also as you/us being a player? In which case id guess at a previous world being before we'd played the game.
Nope, only the riddle solving part of you.


And purely because I feel I must make a random guess I'm going to say the opening movie sequence.
No, wrong.

The answer is not abstract. But don't focus on that for the time being, focus on figuring the riddle out with the help of the non-answer-related hints.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

which of the first two lines of the riddle is more significant?
EDIT: is it iguion?

[Rantz]

what significance do the first two lines have on the riddle?
They're the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.


EDIT: is it iguion?
Nope

[IceAngel]

:confuzed: well we haven't covered events so is it an event?

[Rantz]

No, it's not an event (I count that as abstract), but let's not play the eliminating game here. As I've said many times now, focus on the riddle, not the answer.

[White Shadow]

This is just me getting frustrated, ive been looking over the entire thread for a while and decided to join for this riddle alone and maybe more... but i dont expect you to say ur right or wrong i just wanna say my thoughts... it's come to the point where i read "a world without elle" and say to myself "ok what happens when you eliminate ellone from the first part... like im beggining to think its one of those riddles where the answer to the first part is right in front of uss and rantzien is just getting a luagh because we'll belike "omg why the hell didnt i see that"...im beggining to think the second part is almost instructions for the first part... sorry for a post so big but i like thinking out loud sometimes...and hoping its right lol;)

[Rantz]

No problem with big posts, it's fun to read. But when I made this riddle it was knowing it was going to be hard, so I don't think you suck or anything just because you can't find it out in the first turn :)

But you're on the right track, the second part kind of IS instructions for the first part, but it's not EXACTLY right in front of you.

I know hard riddles are kind of irritating, some people were getting very annoyed at my previous riddle (in the FF9 Riddles thread) because of it's difficulty, but with a lot of input on the riddle I could give a lot of output and it was eventually solved. So give me input and I'll give you output and you'll eventually be rid of this riddle :)

[White Shadow]

ill wait for others inputs but if there arent any in a while i really wouldnt mind an extra hint on this one lol:P until then im determined ot b the one to figure this out damnit...

[IceAngel]

Ok is there word play involved with 'Elle'?

[HolyMackeral]

Like a world without the letter 'L'?
So instead of world it would be a previous word. Like a word in the first two lines?

I'll feel so special if thats right.

[Rantz]

Head on :D

[White Shadow]

that says to me " ONE "

or Eone lol... im getting nowher with this one...

[HolyMackeral]

Me neither, even after my breakthrough(maybe?).

[White Shadow]

Lmao... ok wow like ur right...that was a huge breakthrough i think... but im am in no different position lol


HEY RANTZIEN WANNA TAKE US UP ON THAT HINT NOW!? :D :D :D

[Rantz]

Continue on with the instructions given in the riddle :)

That's the only kind of hint I can give that will help you right now, unless you ask about something specific.

[White Shadow]

im just really thinking that i should be seeing something in "i'd give in for my age"... but i really have no clue what that line means
http://www.ff-fan.com/chartest/banners/auron.jpg (http://ff-fan.com)

[Rantz]

Analyze the words a bit and I think you'll find something.

[White Shadow]

:cool: here's another random post again... ill post the riddle for ease when refferng what i say to the riddle:

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

now we already know that:

1. "without elle" means without the letter "L", which would make world actually word (thank you HolyMackeral for that connection)

now, when i see that i see the first part as lo and behold ol laguna says to "ONE" or Eone if u take out the "l"s, but one thing im starting to think (im prolly wrong tho) is that when the quote says if I were you...does it mean if the " i "s were "u"s seeing as Elle meant "l"...just more thoguhts and possibly more wordplay in the riddle... but there has to be something about "ONE ".....:p :rolleyes2

p.s. im still stuck on the "i'd give in for my age"line guys...
#2 P.s. random point here, "lo and behold" ususally means "suddenly"

[White Shadow]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

[HolyMackeral]

one thing im starting to think (im prolly wrong tho) is that when the quote says if I were you...does it mean if the " i "s were "u"s seeing as Elle meant "l".

Rantzien has already said that you is referring to us as the riddle solvers

[White Shadow]

lmao see told ya...i was wrong
:cool:

[Rantz]

The I-U connection is actually NOT a part of the riddle's word play, but well spotted still. And you can consider yourself ready with the last line. It's just there for making the previous line trickier. So, let's start ruthlessly picking this riddle to pieces. This is what you have now:

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were the riddle answerer,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous word."

The riddle tells you what to do. Rephrase it and do whatcha told :D

[HolyMackeral]

I guess we could remove the "If i were you" line as its not really telling us a whole lot except that we should do what comes in the next two lines. Therefore the answer lies here.

I'd give in for my age
in a previous word

Does age relate to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'"?