FF8 Riddles

[Rantz]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Laguna's love for Ellone
The space station
Outer heaven
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone
Ultimecia's castle
Timber
White SeeD ship
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Ellone's birth
Laguna's first sight of Ellone
Laguna's last sight of Ellone
A gun
Lol (lol)

Hints:
The answer is not a person.
A part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way.
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out, which is referring to the first part.
Look for connections in the riddle.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Question the riddle.
Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle.
Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract (events, feelings etc.).
The two first lines are the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.
The second part is instructions for the first part.
The lines "in a previous world without Elle" have been figured out to mean simply "in a previous word" which refers to a specific word in one of the first two lines.
"If I were you" does not mean "If 'I' was 'U'".
"Age" relates to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'".
The first line, "Lo and behold" is very significant.
"Give in" does not mean the same as "give up" in this case.
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on.
"Give in for my age" is more word play.
The riddle contains no anagrams.
Question: When you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in? - Answer: Almost, but not really.
Note the implication of Laguna's old age.
"Lo and behold" does not relate to the phrase "Low and be old".
There is something in the last two lines (especially the last) that you might not have thought of.
Laguna says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.


I guess we could remove the "If i were you" line as its not really telling us a whole lot except that we should do what comes in the next two lines. Therefore the answer lies here.

I'd give in for my age
in a previous word
Indeed it does, or rather the clue to the clue to the answer. :)

Does age relate to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'"?
Haha, this is almost going too fast. Yes, correct.

[White Shadow]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were the riddle solver,
I would give in for my(lagunas) age
in a previous word,



i think we just keep confusing ourselves more and more and are making this riddle harder then it really is, but i still can't understand the "i would give in for my age "line, it just doesn't make any sense at all to me... grr i effing love riddles, and this one is a challenge, but it is REALLY pissing me off lol:P

[Rantz]

You didnt answer my question so Ill ask something else. How significant is the first line, "Lo and behold"?
I posted before I saw you edited in your question. So I edited in my answer :)

And to this question: Very.

[White Shadow]

if u give us a hint as to the meaning of the line GIVE IN FOR MY AGE, would it be almost too easy from then on in..cause if not... PLZ DO

[HolyMackeral]

Then I deleted my post when I saw you edit yours. Vicious cycle.

[White Shadow]

is it when ellone is born?

lol scrap that idea..too random

[Rantz]

Then I deleted my post when I saw you edit yours. Vicious cycle.
Lol yeah, but I managed to answer both your questions *proud*.

White shadow, I think you already figured this, but "give in" does not mean the same as "give up" here. What else could it mean?

It's not Ellone's birth :)

[HolyMackeral]

Lo and behold according to a dictionary of idioms means look, or what a surprise, but doesnt really help much.

So Rantzien is 'give in for my age' more wordplay? And this previous word, is it referring to a specific word in the riddle?

edit: just me or does it feel like a 2 horse race?

[White Shadow]

Lo and behold according to a dictionary of idioms means look, or what a surprise, but doesnt really help much.

So Rantzien is 'give in for my age' more wordplay? And this previous word, is it referring to a specific word in the riddle?

edit: just me or does it feel like a 2 horse race?
lol i do believe it is... and it will be one tough race lemme tell you htat...BUT I HAVE TO EAT NOW!:(:( i might miss it.....


RANTZIEN do you say not ellones birth as if im on the right track with an event with ellone but its just not her birth....cause if not i would also say it could be the first time laguna ever set eyes on her...first time he met ellone...but ill be gone for the next 15 20 mins... so win by too much holy mackeral

[Rantz]

"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on (soon if you keep up this speed).

"give in for my age" is more word play, yes. The previous word is referring to one specific of the riddle's words, yes.

It's not the first time Laguna sees Ellone. You're thinking about the answer too early again :) Trust me, you are not ready yet :p

[HolyMackeral]

Im gonna take a stab that the specific previous word is in the first two lines, which probably makes it either Ol' or Ellone, maybe Laguna. Man this is hard, where do you come up with this stuff Rant?

[White Shadow]

yay i made itback in time... now then where were we...a hell im reposting itagain
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

[White Shadow]

wait a damn minute here... RANT PLZ TELL ME THERE ARE NO ACRONYMS**! I FAILED THAT PART OF ENGLISH CLASS!

[Rantz]

Yes, the 'previous word' is in the first two lines. :)
Writing on paper actually helps the creativity to flow when creating riddles. My current FFIX riddle was written in a minute on a piece of paper. This one took some more time though. ;)

No anagrams! Yay! :p

Btw I'm going to bed... It's 2:22am here.

[HolyMackeral]

when you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in?
Im running out of ideas here.

[White Shadow]

yeah im runnin out too, but im not givin up although im gonna take a break for a bit, im thinking too hard for it

[HolyMackeral]

I think we have most of the pieces im just not smart enough to put them all together. So I'll just check back to see if anyone gets it by tomorrow.

[DoaJ]

I think it is the last time Laguna sees Ellone. "Lo and Behold" makes me think he's surprised she was able to see him on his death bed. It has implyed several times of his oldr age, and Im supposing Ellone has caused this pain, which would lead to him wanting to trade in his age for a life without elle. Not becuase its her fault, but because of what she went through due to him. ? Am I right?

[Rantz]

when you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in?
Maybe... :rolleyes2


I think it is the last time Laguna sees Ellone. "Lo and Behold" makes me think he's surprised she was able to see him on his death bed. It has implyed several times of his oldr age, and Im supposing Ellone has caused this pain, which would lead to him wanting to trade in his age for a life without elle. Not becuase its her fault, but because of what she went through due to him. ? Am I right?
Sorry but it's wrong, you still have to figure out the rest of the riddle in the word play manner, because the riddle as it is now does not give you any direct clues to the answer.

You're right to note the implication of the older age. But you need to pay more attention to the most important clue "Word play" :)

[HolyMackeral]

1)


Does age relate to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'"?

Haha, this is almost going too fast. Yes, correct.

2)


when you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in?
Maybe...

3)

Yes, the 'previous word' is in the first two lines.


The above points lead me to believe that you replace with word Ol' with in.

And as I posted above according to a dictionary of idioms 'lo and behold' is the same as look'

So,
Look in Laguna says to Ellone

The answer is a gun?

Way to go HolyMackeral youve made it worse, it makes no sense whatsoever!

[Rantz]

The answer is not a gun. Keep in mind that I only said maybe to number 2. Maybe as in almost but not really... :)

[HolyMackeral]

I knew it wasnt a gun, you said it wasnt an item, I was just thinking loud (well typing my thought process).

Im gonna go get some sleep then think on this in the morning.

[IceAngel]

You know the 'Lo and behold' line. Is there word play on the word 'behold'? Because to me it sounds like a cockney version of 'Low and be old'? Its probs wrong but it will eliminate it from my head.

[Rantz]

There is word play in "Lo and behold" but not just that.

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"Give in for my age
in a word from the two first lines."

That's what you have now, think a little of the two last lines (especially the last). There is something in there you might not have thought of.

[Owen Macwere]

You mean 'LOL'. give him laughter to add to his life?? 'Lol" is the answere?

[Rantz]

No :p

[Owen Macwere]

OMG, this one is very hard, I really adore you for coming with this riddle Rant.

[Rantz]

I adore you for adoring me ;)

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Er could you possibly give all the clues and hints in one post. Then we might be able to get somewhere. This is very hard but I am determined to get it correct

[snakebyte91]

i just wrote the riddle down and i KNOW this will be wrong but has it got something to do with laguna saying something but without elle being there?

ps i know this is really confusing but it is the only thing i can think of so dont be too harsh :)

[Rantz]

Actually he says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.

mobiletype, I gathered all hints that I didn't bother gathering before:

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Laguna's love for Ellone
The space station
Outer heaven
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone
Ultimecia's castle
Timber
White SeeD ship
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Ellone's birth
Laguna's first sight of Ellone
Laguna's last sight of Ellone
A gun
Lol (lol)

Hints:
The answer is not a person.
A part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way.
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out, which is referring to the first part.
Look for connections in the riddle.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Question the riddle.
Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle.
Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract (events, feelings etc.).
The two first lines are the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.
The second part is instructions for the first part.
The lines "in a previous world without Elle" have been figured out to mean simply "in a previous word" which refers to a specific word in one of the first two lines.
"If I were you" does not mean "If 'I' was 'U'".
"Age" relates to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'".
The first line, "Lo and behold" is very significant.
"Give in" does not mean the same as "give up" in this case.
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on.
"Give in for my age" is more word play.
The riddle contains no anagrams.
Question: When you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in? - Answer: Almost, but not really.
Note the implication of Laguna's old age.
"Lo and behold" does not relate to the phrase "Low and be old".
There is something in the last two lines (especially the last) that you might not have thought of.
Laguna says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.
"In a previous world" is not to be replaced.

[snakebyte91]

how do you make riddles like this?

[Lost Number]

how do you make riddles like this?
By having a very twisted mind...and if you think HE'S bad, wait til you see Thingfish or Lenna.

[Rantz]

Dunno :D


By having a very twisted mind...and if you think HE'S bad, wait til you see Thingfish or Lenna.
Lol yeah... I mean Thingfish's infamous riddle went for 30 pages I think O.o

[Lost Number]

It went for its own thread, as well as a lot of the original. It took an immense amount of time to solve, and I salute the guy who got it. If I had joined earlier, I would have doen it myself.

[snakebyte91]

come on pm me the asnswer:) plz?
do you replace "in a previous world" with a word from the first part?

[Lost Number]

come on pm me the asnswer:) plz?
Dont be stupid.

[snakebyte91]

i was having a joke mate if you cant handle it that is your own problem but i dont want to argue with you cos i want this thread to stay open.

[Lost Number]

i was having a joke mate if you cant handle it that is your own problem but i dont want to argue with you cos i want this thread to stay open.
I got the joke, I understood it, and im not arguing with you.

[Rantz]

do you replace "in a previous world" with a word from the first part?
Nope.

[snakebyte91]

i said it before and ill say it again noone will get this riddle.

you should be proud of it ;)

[Rantz]

Thanks I guess, but of course I want it to be solved :)
It's not too far from being solved either.

[Lenna]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."


You say that in a previous world is in reference to a previous word, without elle right? well what if it was "Lo and behold, ol' laguna says to one"
The Ell would then be removed to reveal one?

[White Shadow]

now im playing htat stupid game wit myself where u say things out loud ewnough times it turns into something else... and from the first line i got "alone and be old" ... so im going to say alone and old...if that means anything:S

[Rantz]

You say that in a previous world is in reference to a previous word, without elle right? well what if it was "Lo and behold, ol' laguna says to one"
The Ell would then be removed to reveal one?
No, "without Elle" is solely referring to removing the 'L' from 'world' to get 'word'. So "give in for my (Laguna's) age" is what you should do "in a previous word".

White shadow, that doesn't mean anything unfortunately :p

[IceAngel]

Is it something to do with Laguna Being 27yrs old?

[Rantz]

No.

Hint: Why do you think Laguna is "Ol'" and not just simply "Old"?

[HolyMackeral]

Hint: Why do you think Laguna is "Ol'" and not just simply "Old"?

Because it isnt 'his age'?

I dont remember if you said this, but when you say in a previous word - is that the letters in word or something material inside that word when it is an object w/e (I think you know what I mean)

[Rantz]

No, it's still word play. Word play will haunt you for the rest of your life after being through with this riddle. :radred:

Yes, it is his age.

[HolyMackeral]

No, it's still word play. Word play will haunt you for the rest of your life after being through with this riddle. :radred:

Yes, it is his age.

A hole?

[Rantz]

A hole?
Was that a guess or... :confused:

[HolyMackeral]

that was a guess to wordplay with ol'

[Rantz]

No, it is his age but the spelling does have a reason.
"Give in for my age"
"in a previous word"

That should help you along the way I hope :p

[HolyMackeral]

Reposting the riddle - rephrased to what we have so far.

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"Give in for my age
in a previous word."

I cant help but think the answer is right in my face but I cant quite get it, rather frustrating....

edit: is it ol' because its lo backwards? Thats kinda wordplay isnt it?

[Rantz]

edit: is it ol' because its lo backwards? Thats kinda wordplay isnt it?
Unfortunately it's not relevant :(
Think hard of the two "in"

[Owen Macwere]

I am going to cry, this is the harder Riddle ever.
is it something got to do with love maybe? and is it....

"Give in for my age
In a previouse word, (or world)"

[Rantz]

It has got nothing to do with love. :)

[Lenna]

In my age
In previous word

Take away both In's and look at the previous words before that:

My age

Myage... Mage? :S

or the use of the two In's could be in reference to an INN

[Rantz]

In my age
In previous word

Take away both In's and look at the previous words before that:

My age

Myage... Mage? :S

or the use of the two In's could be in reference to an INN
I'm sorry but I meant think of the "in"s (mostly the last one) as in their meaning to the sentence they're in, not in the wordplay kind of way.

[IceAngel]

Well Laguna is an Uncle.

[HolyMackeral]

"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"Give in for my age in a previous word."

You did say that the 'instruction' in the second half related to the word Ol' didnt you?

Also



Hint: Why do you think Laguna is "Ol'" and not just simply "Old"?


Because it isnt 'his age'?

I dont remember if you said this, but when you say in a previous word - is that the letters in word or something material inside that word when it is an object w/e (I think you know what I mean)


No, it's still word play. Word play will haunt you for the rest of your life after being through with this riddle.


Was that the answer to the meaning of 'in' question? Or the thing about his age, i couldnt really tell.

[Rantz]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

The riddle to the extent it's figured out:
"Low and behind",
Old Laguna says to Ellone.

Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Laguna's love for Ellone
The space station
Outer heaven
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone
Ultimecia's castle
Timber
White SeeD ship
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Ellone's birth
Laguna's first sight of Ellone
Laguna's last sight of Ellone
A gun
Lol (lol)
Behemoth
Laguna wishing he was young again

Hints:
The answer is not a person.
A part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way.
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out, which is referring to the first part.
Look for connections in the riddle.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Question the riddle.
Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle.
Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract (events, feelings etc.).
The two first lines are the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.
The second part is instructions for the first part.
The lines "in a previous world without Elle" have been figured out to mean simply "in a previous word" which refers to a specific word in one of the first two lines.
"If I were you" does not mean "If 'I' was 'U'".
"Age" relates to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'".
The first line, "Lo and behold" is very significant.
"Give in" does not mean the same as "give up" in this case.
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on.
"Give in for my age" is more word play.
The riddle contains no anagrams.
Question: When you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in? - Answer: Almost, but not really.
Note the implication of Laguna's old age.
"Lo and behold" does not relate to the phrase "Low and be old".
There is something in the last two lines (especially the last) that you might not have thought of.
Laguna says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.
The previous word is in the first line.


You did say that the 'instruction' in the second half related to the word Ol' didnt you?
Yes it does but "Ol'" isn't the "previous word. The previous word is in the first line.

[HolyMackeral]

So its behold?

[DoaJ]

This might be the stupidest thing I possibly coudve said, band please dont yell at me......but its an epiphany for a reason.
They are both in heaven when Laguna says that to Ellone, and its reffering to the fact that he's give anything, even his age' for her to be in another world...i.e. Earth.

Please dont hate me, I mostly threw it out there to help people think outside the box...

[Rantz]

Was that the answer to the meaning of 'in' question? Or the thing about his age, i couldnt really tell.
It was for both :)


So its behold?
Yes.


This might be the stupidest thing I possibly coudve said, band please dont yell at me......but its an epiphany for a reason.
They are both in heaven when Laguna says that to Ellone, and its reffering to the fact that he's give anything, even his age' for her to be in another world...i.e. Earth.

Please dont hate me, I mostly threw it out there to help people think outside the box...
:cool: It's just that you must obey by the word play! :tongue:

[martin]

Behemoth?

[Rantz]

Nope

[martin]

Hmmm...

Lo + Behold = LOBEHOLD

Give in for my age = swap OL'(old) for IN
that leave LOBEHDIN

If I was U

that would mean
LOBEHDUN

i can make DOUBLE out of that but with a couple of letters left over! Am i on the right lines or have i been doing to many crosswords?

[Rantz]

Well, the "If I was you" has already been said to contain no word play, and there are no anagrams in the riddle.
One other step was unnecessary, but the remaining step was to the solving of this riddle totally necessary. However, you executed it slightly wrong.

Hope I'm making sense here, because you found something that no one else has so far :)

[Lenna]

ok
I've got something

Lo And Behold - Ol you ad In - Lo and Behind?

[Rantz]

YES, great work. Now you have this left (the rest doesn't matter anymore):

"Lo and behind",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

[Eiko Guy]

lo and behind sounds like searching ie i searched lo and behind

[HolyMackeral]

Is there any more wordplay left?

[Rantz]

Nope, no more wordplay (yay) except for that "Lo" means "Low" but you probably already figured that out, didn't you ^^

[Owen Macwere]

I didn't figure it out, but thanks for the help....hmmmm.. let's think.

[HolyMackeral]

yeah I didnt know that either, so its

Low and behind.
Laguna says to Ellone. (Or is the Ol' still relevent?)

Is it something that is behind Ellone, Laguna is maybe warning her of danger?

[IceAngel]

"'Low' and 'behind'",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

If this is wrong I think I've just got more confuzzled. Laguna wishing he was young again?

[Rantz]

Ol' is still relevant but not in the wordplay manner so we could just say Old instead.
The second line gives you the situation, the first line tells you where in that scene to look.

It's not Laguna wishing he was young again (read hint: The answer is nothing abstract)

[HolyMackeral]

Old Laguna talking to Ellone.... is it in one of the 'dream sequences' because if I think back (im only on disc 2 in my current playthrough) you meet Ellone in space, then after you crash she gets taken to the Lunatic Pandora - you only meet Laguna after that then the mission is to get her back. So asides from a dream sequence the only time they are together is that short period when Ellone sends Ulti back to the young Adel and Laguna says good job and ruffles her hair.

So to summize, is it in a dream sequence?

[Rantz]

Nope, not in a dream sequence.

[HolyMackeral]

That really narrows it down then. Laguna doesnt actually say anything about this low and behind does he?

Then my guess is Adels dead/defeated body (its low and behind ellone when she is with laguna and sending the possessed rinoa to the past)

[Rantz]

Laguna doesnt actually say anything about this low and behind does he?
Not in the game, no.


Then my guess is Adels dead/defeated body (its low and behind ellone when she is with laguna and sending the possessed rinoa to the past)
No, but you're thinking almost the right way. One detail wrong.

And remember "old". Not old as in outside of the game though.

[HolyMackeral]

So not old as in, getting on in the years, you know - long in the tooth, well marinated. That sort of thing? lol

edit: is it a scene where laguna and ellone are both visable to the player?

[Rantz]

Not old as in grandpa, just old as in older than usual.

I don't know what you mean by "long in the tooth" or "well marinated" though ;)

[HolyMackeral]

Does this have anything to do with when you go to space?

[Lenna]

Does this have anything to do with Laguna's relationship with Squall. I know that he really wanted to see his child with Raine, so Ellone tries to send Squall back through the flashbacks in order for him to see Laguna?

[Rantz]

No to both. And Lenna, don't you go symbolic on me now because what's left is pretty straightforward. :)

[HolyMackeral]

You said I had one detail wrong. Does that mean the scene was right?

[Crye 4 Me]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."


Well all I can say is now that you said the lo and behold was 'low and behind' my idea is next to worthless but I'll explain anyway.

I'm thinking the "If I were you,
I'd give in for my age'' is give in is give up the age in laguna says to ellone and whats left is luna or the lunar cry which happened now and before ellone.

[HolyMackeral]

Um we've already covered that.

Previous world without Elle. Take the 'l' out of world you have word - previous word.

Give in for my age in a previous word. In the second line Laguna is 'Ol'', that is his age. In the word behold take out ol and replace it with in. - You now have behind.

So whats left is

"Low and behind"
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone

[Owen Macwere]

Oh, is it that Laguna wishs that he hasn't gone to rescue Ellone and stayed with Raine when she gave birth to Squall? you know we can say that he grew older after her death, he wished Ellone wasn't there so he can be there....don't know if it is right though....

[IceAngel]

Is it when Laguna is looking into the 'cage/cell' thing with Ellone inside and he wants to go and rescue her?

[Rantz]

The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.

"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."

The riddle to the extent it's figured out:
"Low and behind",
Old Laguna says to Ellone.

Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Laguna's love for Ellone
The space station
Outer heaven
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone
Ultimecia's castle
Timber
White SeeD ship
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Ellone's birth
Laguna's first sight of Ellone
Laguna's last sight of Ellone
A gun
Lol (lol)
Behemoth
Laguna wishing he was young again

Hints:
The answer is not a person.
A part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way.
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out, which is referring to the first part.
Look for connections in the riddle.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Question the riddle.
Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle.
Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract (events, feelings etc.).
The two first lines are the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.
The second part is instructions for the first part.
The lines "in a previous world without Elle" have been figured out to mean simply "in a previous word" which refers to a specific word in one of the first two lines.
"If I were you" does not mean "If 'I' was 'U'".
"Age" relates to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'".
The first line, "Lo and behold" is very significant.
"Give in" does not mean the same as "give up" in this case.
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on.
"Give in for my age" is more word play.
The riddle contains no anagrams.
Question: When you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in? - Answer: Almost, but not really.
Note the implication of Laguna's old age.
"Lo and behold" does not relate to the phrase "Low and be old".
There is something in the last two lines (especially the last) that you might not have thought of.
Laguna says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.
The previous word is in the first line.


You said I had one detail wrong. Does that mean the scene was right?
No the scene wasn't right, I meant there was one detail wrong about the way you think.

Owen and IceAngel, no, the answer is NOT abstract as in "when X looked at/felt/happened to/wished Y"

[Lenna]

Is it the ending? They are both there, but not necessarily together at the same point. By the looks of things Ellone is on a hill aswell where as Laguna and Raine seem to be on a low part of land.

[Rantz]

You're getting close, really close... Try to remember the ending... Where is Laguna at his oldest?

[Owen Macwere]

he is at his oldest when he is looking at his ring...hm?

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

This is harder than my Physics paper last year

[Rantz]

Lol, but it's so little left! What could be "low and behind" (relative to Laguna, btw)? To know that you must know where he is and where he is looking. The riddle tells you that with the second line and the hints given.

[Owen Macwere]

Ellone's parents?

[Rantz]

Nope.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Laguna's Cramp?

[Rantz]

No :p

[Lenna]

He is at his oldest when looking at Raine's Grave. Is that the answer? The other time is when he proposes to her which is when he was young.

The grave is on the ground, and because if he were to face Ellone, the grave would be behind him in the sense of the settings of the ending

[Owen Macwere]

Low and Behind...hmmm... the past?.

[Rantz]

The grave is on the ground, and because if he were to face Ellone, the grave would be behind him in the sense of the settings of the ending
YAYAYAYAY you are correct :)
Finally I must say. You did great, all of you.

[Owen Macwere]

so it is solved? 0_o

[Rantz]

Yes, the answer was Raine's grave. I'll explain it:

"If I were you,
If Laguna (talking) were the one who is solving the riddle,

I'd give in for my age
he would give "in" for his age. His age is "ol".

in a previous world,
without Elle."
In a previous world without Elle = In a previous world without "L" = In a previous word.

If Laguna were the one who is solving the riddle,
he would give "in" for "ol", in a previous word.

"Lo and behold",
Exchange "ol" for "in" and you get "Lo and behind" = "Low and behind".

Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
The line is said to Ellone by old Laguna, meaning Laguna is at his oldest and facing Ellone. Which means that "low and behind" is said in the last Laguna scene when he has stood up and faced Ellone (turning away from the grave). Hence, Raine's grave is low and behind Laguna.

[Lenna]

hehe good riddle Rantz :P
Anyway heres mine - good luck folks!

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,
Seek out the talent,
I hold through life,
Although It has no path.

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road.

[Lionheart00]

does it have anything to do with Squall's and Rinoa's dance "the Waltz for the Moon" or whatever it was called???

[Lost Number]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins, - 3 of something?
Seek out the talent, - find something
I hold though life, - A power of life giving? A power only available while alive? hold on...though? is this meant to be through? I thought it was.
Although It has no path. Capital I on it, I see. And no path - random? or does it stay still?

A wise old man, - Cid comes to mind.
With royalty, - ...any kings or queens in this game? I frget
will always lead the way
along the third bright road. - 3rd bright road could refer to a lot of things.

[Lionheart00]

the only royalty i thought of was Laguna.......

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

wild guess - phoenix

[Lost Number]

the only royalty i thought of was Laguna.......
Tonberry King? Other kings? Maybe not royalty, just a ruler? Tomb of the unknown king or something, where you get brother?

[Lionheart00]

no i think it has something to do with Laguna....he is president or whatever of Esthar.........and Kiros and Ward....the Triad...(triple)......through life.....Ellone transports Squall and others to certain events in Laguna's and other's lives........life has no exact path.......he was the leader..........i just cant piece it together.....

[Lost Number]

It doesnt say through, it says though. Either this is trying to tell us summat or Lenna *gasp* messed up.

[Lionheart00]

well though means despite the fact that....so it could suggest (if there are no errors)
that whatever IT is....it holds even though life has no path........capital I in It could refer back to life........

[Rantz]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,
Seek out the talent,
I hold though life,
Although It has no path.

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road.

I think it has something to do with the CC quest. The royalty could be CC Queen and/or CC King, and "triad" could refer to Triple Triad as Lionheart00 says. Talent would be card playing talent.

[IceAngel]

Is it to do with the CC group? Because 'Traid' is part of the name 'Triple Traid'.

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,
Seek out the talent, (you get good with practice)
I hold though life, (can be played throughout the whole game)
Although It has no path. (doesn't really have an important purpose)

A wise old man,
With royalty, (CC King or other person)
will always lead the way
along the third bright road. (the place he can be found)

EDIT: I posted slightly after you Rantzien :tongue: well done if you get it right.

[Lost Number]

Hmm...isint the "old" king the doctor? Now, is it me, but he looks like a man to me, and is pretty wise, so could he be the wise old man?

[Lionheart00]

u guys might be right....third bright road could be many things.....but also one of the three Gardens....Trabia, Galbadia and BALAMB......the Card King rules over Balamb in the card club......amongst the moon could mean.........the secret place in the training center.....i still cant put it all together.........

[Lionheart00]

amongst the moon (in the game) does seem to be Balamb Garden...where the Triad joins (Card Club)..........right???

[Lionheart00]

amongst the moon....secret place in Balamb Garden.......where the triad joins....(where you find them)..........you seek out the talent........beat each of them......at any part of the game.........but is totally optional.............the Card Club King is wise enough to be King.......always lead the way along the third bright road......will rule over the Card Club in Balamb Garden....the third as you could say academy......or a brighter way to the future......

[Rantz]

Lionheart00, you know that you can edit posts, right? So you won't have to triple post.

LN, I'm pretty sure Dr. Kadowaki is a woman :p

[Lenna]

It has nothing to do with the Triple Triad or the cards. The first line, isn't meant to say what it says, :P just figure out that part and you should get the rest.

[Lionheart00]

sry rantzien i forgot...........and maybe it does have something to do with Laguna....

[Lenna]

Nope, nothing to do with Laguna, The king in reference has nothing to do with the game. Just the name.

[Lionheart00]

does it have to do with the waltz for the moon or whatever it is called....a triad is also a chord of three musical notes....

[Rantz]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,
Seek out the talent,
I hold through life,
Although It has no path.

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road.

Does the riddle 'give instructions' like my riddle did? Since you say the first line isn't meant to say what it says, this part could be instructions:

Seek out the talent, - The talent = a word or phrase?
I hold through life, - Could be something wordplay-ish too
Although It has no path. - A hint of an anagram maybe? :p

Or is my brain stuck on word play? :D

[Lenna]

Lionheart, I just said that the first line isn't supposed to say what it says. So I don't think you're looking into it that much. You have to figure out what's wrong with the first line in order to understand the rest of it,

Hehe it does have a small instruction, but only in one line, you'll have to see which one it is.

[Lionheart00]

I think rantzien is onto something........are we supposed to switch some of the words around in this one???

[Lenna]

that's for you to figure out, I've given away enough for now.

[Lionheart00]

we stil dont know if it is a character or a place.............

[IceAngel]

Adel in Space?

[Lenna]

Can I just say to all those who are new to these riddle threads. Unlike most riddler-makers, I highly push for reasoning in these riddles. I despise random guessing - If you have an answer to my riddle, PLEASE give reasoning, as I will not waste my time saying yes or no. I want to explain why an answer is wrong or write, not just say you're right, or you're wrong. Reasoning not only helps yourself, it helps others.

Read the riddle also, do not just go for random words in the riddle to guess with. The riddle's words are chosen for a reason, and the riddle itself is a purpose of challenging to help you think of the answer. One word could fit a thousand answers, but one answer, could fit a thousand words.

In other words, fit an answer with all the words, not just one, or two.

[Lionheart00]

very nice speech by the way Lenna.........but i have to know where to go on with the 3 bright roads???

[HolyMackeral]

I dont think you said before, but in the third line is it meant to be though or through?


The king in reference has nothing to do with the game. Just the name.
So that means there is someone who has king in the name but isnt actually a king?
......?

[Lenna]

Rantzien mentioned that, it was a typing error, I've corrected it in my original post. Sorry.

No Holy Mackeral, King is not in the name of what I'm on about, It's in reference to a real life king in our world. But it's not said in the game that the name relates to a king in-game.

The third bright road will come when you've figured out the answer. It is merely just another -word playing- saying of what it is.

[Lionheart00]

the bright road was a movie based in Great Britain...or England......they have a queen as of now...not a king......am i anywhere near the right track?????
(probably not)

And again i pose my question.....a person or a place????

[Lenna]

DON'T think about the other lines until you figure out the first one. Because you're going WAY off track

[Lionheart00]

and what wil help me to figure out the first line?????? :confused:

[HolyMackeral]

lionheart you have to actually do some thinking and not just ask for hints

[Lionheart00]

I kno but this one is really hard...i mean....we dont even know what we are looking for.....a person or a place....or a monster.....it could be a bazillion things........

[HolyMackeral]

youre thinking too far ahead, you have to take it slow. Figure out what the meaning is in one line, check with Lenna to make sure youre right (will take a few tries) then using what you have in that line you should be able to figure another 1 or 2 lines out.

One of those 'bazillion things' will fit the whole riddle and you'll have an answer

[Lionheart00]

Alright...so let me ask you, (going back to rantzien's idea), what word or phrase holds through life, although it has no path???
(It meaning life)

[Rantz]

My head hurts from thinking too much about this, I'll come back tomorrow >_<

[DoaJ]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins, Well, Adel, Rinoa, And Edea join amongst the moon. Are they the triad in reference?
Seek out the talent,
I hold through life,
Although It has no path.

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road.

[Lenna]

Alright...so let me ask you, (going back to rantzien's idea), what word or phrase holds through life, although it has no path???
(It meaning life)

Seek out the talent,
I hold through life,
Although It has no path.

The talent is what you're searching for, and the answer has it from the start. The meaning of it has no path, is it doesn't progress through the game, it doesn't "grow".


Amongst the moon, the triad joins, Well, Adel, Rinoa, And Edea join amongst the moon. Are they the triad in reference?

The first line doesn't mean what it says literally, it's part of a mind game, figure it out before trying to answer it.

[IceAngel]

the 'moon' is an old reference to be 'crazy' (learned that in my Eng. Lit. class). Does that have anything to do with anything?

[Lenna]

You're going in the wrong direction with mind games, The first line is different, but not with switching words, more complex than that

[Rantz]

I've been staring my eyes blind at the first line... Do you _need_ the 'instruction line' to figure out the first line or could you figure it out by yourself? I'm asking because I don't want to waste hours trying to figure something out that can't be figured out without a key :p

[IceAngel]

There aren't any anagrams are there?

[Pandemonium]

The Sun?

[Lenna]

Rantzien, think of what you did with your riddle, my one is similar, you just have to notice the key words.

IceAngel I will not reveal what type of word game it is just yet, as the riddle hasn't been up for long and I've already given out too many hints.

Pand, please do not guess without reasoning and please look at previous posts to find out that what is said is not what is meant at first. You need to unravel the first line before you can connect the rest together.

[IceAngel]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,
Seek out the talent,
I hold through life,
Although It has no path.

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road.

Could the second part be to do with The Great Hyne? That makes him a form of royalty to the sorceresses.

[Rantz]

She said to figure out the first line to begin with, mind you.

[IceAngel]

She said to figure out the first line to begin with, mind you.

I know, but nobody had posted in a while. :D

[Squall_VIII]

I know I need to figure out the first line fist but I could'nt help this..

Does the second paragraph refer to cid?

A wise old man--cid
with royalty--his leadership qualitys
will always lead the way--self-explanatory
along the third bright road--third sorceress war?

[Lenna]

As soon as you find out what the first line means, the rest of the riddle will make sense, because what you find in the first line will directly connect to the second verse, it's the TALENT you have to find. And you'll only get that through know what talent you're looking for. Look closely at this line - Rantzien look.

Amongs - the - moon - the - triad - joins. <---- THAT is your instruction. Figure out which words you need and you're half way to solving the first line.

[Owen Macwere]

Wait, it has got something to do with the luner cry, right?.

[Rantz]

Here's a little insight into what the results of my experiments are:

mogs h moo, h rid jois
songs soon
Amongst the toon, the triad joint
Amgt the m, the trad
Amongst moon triad
Ghetto's moon man, the janitor's id

I feel like I'm getting absolutely nowhere, but I'm gonna keep trying. :p

[Lenna]

Noooooo, read the instruction:

Amongst the moon. so what is the key word here?
The triad joins. what does this mean, what is it trying to do?
these 2 are connected, figure out, I've told you half of what to do here.

[Rantz]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins =
The triad joins with the moon =
"triad" joins with "moon" =
"moon triad"

which makes me think of the item "Three stars".
Using the following line, "Seek out the talent" leads me to the Expendx3-1 ability.

"I hold through life,
although it has no path" -> The talent/ability stays the same; you master it the minute you learn it.

"A wise old man,
with royalty," -> I'm not sure what to make of this. "wise old" makes me think of Experience, in the game abbreviated to "Exp" which is the first part of the ability's name.
"with royalty" could, although I doubt it, refer to the same Mordred that BG-57's riddle referred to. He was King Arthur's son. Three Stars is the treasure found on Mordred plains.

"will always lead the way,
across the third bright road." ->This is even harder to match, but it could simply refer to the finding / obtaining process of Three stars.

The last part made my guess feel unlikely, but is it Expendx3-1?

[Lenna]

Remember I said there's two parts to the first line? you've figured out the first part, now to think of the second. What you're looking for is hidden within moon and triad. once you figure out that the last verse especially will make sense.

[IceAngel]

Ok nobody has posted in a while so here is anothe random guess which is no doubt wrong.... Second part of the riddle, Triple spell.

[Lenna]

Triad has NOTHING to do with the number three, triple or anything like that. read what I posted before.

[Squall_VIII]

Ellones time talent?

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,---joining ellone in space
Seek out the talent,---her talent
I hold through life,---self explanatory
Although It has no path.---time iz mixed so it has no definated path

[snakebyte91]

that sounds really wel thought out and rational

[Lenna]

Again. The first line DOES NOT say what it's meant to, LOOK at Rantzien's post. All you are looking at now is moon and triad together. But it has NOTHING to do with space, or the number three. Those words don't mean a thing to this riddle.

Also Squall, in this riddle, the path is growth, so once you figure out the first line, then look for the talent which has no growth.

[IceAngel]

Triad has NOTHING to do with the number three, triple or anything like that. read what I posted before.

I know, I said I only posted it up there because nobody had answered in a while.

Anyways could the moon traid thing be changed to the ability Doom Train?
This could somehow link back to:

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road

because of Solomans Ring. Soloman was a King right?

[DoaJ]

Moon Triad = Doomtrain
Look- The D from Triad, the O's from moon. The m from moon. Trai from traid, and n from moon.........

So...his "talent could be hitting the enemy with status effects, unless its referring to an ability only he has........

[Lenna]

Doaj is closer but Ice Angel's reasoning for it being Doomtrain is correct, You are looking for a talent/ability, but read through the riddle again, there is a clue to help you search for which one, as there are not many it has of this kind.

[BG-57]

Is it Doomtrain's Forbid Med-RF ability?

It can be used to convert 10 Shaman Stones (A wise old man?) into 1 Hero Trial.

[IceAngel]

Amongst the moon, the triad joins,
Seek out the talent,
I hold through life,
Although It has no path.

A wise old man,
With royalty,
will always lead the way
along the third bright road.

Is the ability Initiative? I say this because you get first attack in a battle but you don't go anywhere.... If that makes sense :confused:

[Rantz]

I s'pose it could be Elem-Def-Jx4 or ST-Def-Jx4. None of them has a path, since you don't have to learn Elem-Def-J, ST-Def-J, Elem-Def-Jx2 or ST-Def-Jx2 to get them, and you don't get access to any new abilities from learning them either.

If not, I guess the capital 'I' in 'It' (on the 4th line) could matter somehow.

[DoaJ]

Doaj is closer but Ice Angel's reasoning for it being Doomtrain is correct, You are looking for a talent/ability, but read through the riddle again, there is a clue to help you search for which one, as there are not many it has of this kind.

So, then, what could be Doomtrain's third road?

[Lenna]

ignore that bit Doaj, it's just another word for 3rd disc, where you get Doom Train.

The ability has no growth, so in other words it has N/A after it. that's all I'm giving cause now it should be way obvious which one. (Including learning abilities. You can't learn it for one specific reason - do not look at this one way, twist it to see what I mean)

[IceAngel]

Draw? I mean its already learnt but you can use it to draw and to cast magic. Is that the sort of thing your looking for?

[Lenna]

no it's an ability that only doomtrain has, draw is in reference to all magic and all characters etc.

[DoaJ]

ignore that bit Doaj, it's just another word for 3rd disc, where you get Doom Train.

...oh. lol. Alright. Well, I'd go with Junk Shop then.

[HolyMackeral]

By N/A after it you mean it "leads to" nothing im guessing.
So what is left to be figured out then, just which ability it is?

[Lenna]

Doaj got it, and leads to nothing, means no growth Holy Mackeral, which is what I've been saying the whole time.

[SilverPhoenix42]

Poor Lenna, you sound really frustrated! And I love your Sig., Aeris is better than life itself.

[HolyMackeral]

Can you explain why it was junk shop?

[Lenna]

There are only a few abilities that Doomtrain has right from the start. Junk shop is the ONLY one that isn't used by any other gf, a talent is refered to something that is rare and unique, no one has the same talent in the same way.

I used the word talent to specify that it was not something that every gf had.

Every other ability he has, has to be learned, and needs to grow. Junk shop didn't, he already had it. Also most of the abilities leads to another, such as SumMag+20% leads to SumMag+30% so that is another form of growth. Junk shop does not do any such thing.

[Rantz]

That was a good'un Lenna :D

[Lenna]

Poor Lenna, you sound really frustrated! And I love your Sig., Aeris is better than life itself.

hehe thanks, made the sig myself, and the lil poem too.

And thanks Rantzien :p but it wasnt my best :p

[IceAngel]

Lol, I would have said that it was Junk Shop but it seemed to obvious. Oh well should have said it anyway. Nice one Lenna!

[SilverPhoenix42]

So how long do we have to wait for Doaj to post a riddle?

[IceAngel]

Its only been a day. Be patient.

[Lost Number]

Is there a 24 hour rule? Anyones call, I think.

[SilverPhoenix42]

Let's give him/her 48 hours, then someone should assert himself/herself and take his/her turn. *sigh* Stupid gender agreement.

[Cookie]

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr someone else could come up with one

[Eiko Guy]

you cant surpass me
and the power i wield
try as you might
ill resist your struggle
i do my job constantly and without thought

you dont have to do this riddle we could just wait

[Lionheart00]

Norg's orbs.....you cant destroy them and they are mindless

[DoaJ]

Damn, missed it by an hour and a half....my mom's birthday, otherwards I wouldve gotten it.
you dont have to do this riddle we could just wait

Its cool, I took too long. I'd go with Mobile Type 8. He seemed all powerful and whatnot, being the guardian of .... tht big thing, lol, cant remember its name. And he's a robot, so he doesnt question his job.

[HolyMackeral]

Im gonna go with Odin.

[SilverPhoenix42]

I think it's X-ATM092, the boss you fight at the Dollet Communications Tower, because you can fight it like 5 times or whatever, but you never beat it. And it's a machine, so it doesn't exactly "think".

[Cookie]

Seifer?

[SilverPhoenix42]

Am I the only person with an FF Character of a different gender? Just wondering, I know it's random and probably not proper protocol, but still, I need to know.

[Cookie]

mine is seifer (the one above you) and im a boy

[Eiko Guy]

no one is correct wow i thought this would be easy

a hint is H sir

[Cookie]

Hexadragon

[finalfantasyguy4ever]

helix

[Eiko Guy]

no you are interpreting my hint incorrectly

[Cookie]

oh!!!!!!! is it zone or watts (whichever one says sir all the time)?

[Eiko Guy]

sorry, no

[Cookie]

Give us another clue plz

[SilverPhoenix42]

It sounds like it could be almost anything. Sorry, but I think the riddle's a little vague.

[Eiko Guy]

sorry noone is correct another hint is that it is never fought

[Cookie]

?!?!?! More clues needed....

[Eiko Guy]

ive used a play on words and it will help if you speak english clearly

[Cookie]

You're real good at this

[Eiko Guy]

at least someone thinks so aint that right leena

[Cookie]

Why do you say that? Have you got beef with leena or summat?

P.s I still need more clues

[Eiko Guy]

no but apparently mislead with my riddles and that's a bad thing but another hint is that the answer retarded

[IceAngel]

you cant surpass me
and the power i wield
try as you might
ill resist your struggle
i do my job constantly and without thought

Thought I'd post the riddle again.

Also I really didnt understand the 'H' clue.

[HolyMackeral]

H
aech
age?
each?

[Cookie]

this is really hard

[--One Winged Angel--]

its not the spell beserk is it ?

[Eiko Guy]

noone is right also the hint isnt h it it h sir which will replace part of a word also another hint is that the answer is retarded

[IceAngel]

:confused:

[HolyMackeral]

is there any instruction in the riddle on where to replace something with 'h sir' (a la Rantzien's riddle) or do we have to just guess and check

[Eiko Guy]

no instructions the riddle already says where Hsir goes

[Shiny]

eiko guy, your hint is making no sense can you please post another (different) hint?

[SilverPhoenix42]

I don't know if it helps anyone, or if it's even close, but if you put the "h" after "cant" in line 2, you get "you canth 'sur'pass me and the power i wield" Maybe it's just something stupid I saw, I don't know.

[Twilight Edge]

this is really hard


His riddles are not hard,just the way he types stuff makes it hard.

[Eiko Guy]

thats the idea well another hint is there are more than one of these

[licence]

I saw the riddle, can't be bothered reading through lots of posts so I'll just say it sounds like GF.

I've seen a lot of stuff about H so I thought G is before H.

[Eiko Guy]

no and the first hint has to do with pronounciation

[licence]

Hmmm so you mean, like Hsir, rhyming with Laser?

[Shiny]

you cant surpass me
and the power i wield
try as you might
ill resist your struggle
i do my job constantly and without thought

I stilll don't get the hint. Hmm, is the answer an item, person, place, or thing?

I'll guess Exilir since it rhymes with your hint.

[McLovin']

Excuse me but did you say that the answer is retarded?

So it's Gerogero? :p

Nah but maybe The Phoenix?

[Eiko Guy]

you cant surpass me
and the power i wield
try as you might
ill resist your struggle
i do my job constantly and without thought

the hsir is a minor hint
yes its retarded but not in the sense that you mean look up retarded and tell me what you see
there are more than one of these

noone is correct

[McLovin']

It can also mean being delayed or slow.

So Doom or Hero Trial.

[Shiny]

I'll ask you again is it an item, person, place, or thing?

[McLovin']

That would be a major hint now Shiny.

[Shiny]

No it wouldn't judging from the hints he gave us.

Hints so far:
Hsir
Play on words
More than one of these
Retarted

Only one a few of these hints make sense to me.

[McLovin']

Doom/Hero-Trial=Used more than once.

They're retarded as in acting slowly or for a long time.

I think H-sir is just supposed to do replace a piece of an actual word in the riddle...maybe...

[Eiko Guy]

the hsir will not help you out much thats why you should center on the hint that there is more than one and is retarded
and that isnt the type if retarded im thinking about and it is a thing

[Shiny]

Tonberry

[Eiko Guy]

nope

[Shiny]

Chimera

[Eiko Guy]

nope

[Eiko Guy]

where is everybody

[Lost Number]

Dont double post. Give it time, people are working on it.

[G SpOtZ]

I'm going to completely ignore the "h sir" hint becuase it doesn't make sense to me, and your typing is terrible, eikoguy.


Soooo I'm gonna guess propagator.

[The Last Oath]

Is It the big blue tube in the Deep Sea Reaserch centre? The One thats there before you fight Bahamut

[Eiko Guy]

nope the answer is not propogator it is non sentient for all i know

[Rantz]

I think this thread has been dead for too long, people probably forgot about it.

Eiko guy, I'm not saying this riddle is bad, it's just that it doesn't provoke very much thought. But then again, it shouldn't be impossible to solve, so I'll try to summarize what we've got so far:

The riddle:
You can't surpass me
and the power I wield.
Try as you might,
I'll resist your struggle.
I do my job constantly and without thought.

Wrong answers:
NORG's orbs
MobileType 8
Odin
X-ATM092
Seifer
Hexadragon
Helix
Watts
Zone
Berserk
GF
Elixir
Gerogero
Phoenix
Doom
Hero-Trial
Tonberry
Chimera
Propagator

Hints / notes:
H sir (alternatively hsir)

Word play
Has to do with pronounciation
The riddle says what to do with it?
Only a minor hint
The answer is a thing
The answer is never fought
There is more than one of the answer
The answer is retarded, although not in the general meaning

The answer is one of several "retarded" things which are never fought, but it's still powerful, maybe even invincible. But, since it's never fought, it has to be found out another way.
The answer also has a 'job' or a duty that it performs without questioning or thinking about it.

At one time, I thought that it could be that barrier thing in the Timber hotel, but there isn't more than one of those AFAIK.

I'm really not sure about this one, hopefully somebody else will benefit from my summary though :p

[King-Killer]

1000 replies.
It's Squall.

You can't surpass me. (If you have a God-like Squall, Omega can't defeat you)
and the power I weild. (Lionhearth)
Try as you might, (Ultimecia and other enemies)
I'll resist your struggle.
I do my job constantly and without thought. (SeeD)