FF8 Riddles

[Rantz]

It's Squall.

I don't reckon it is, because of these two hints:

The answer is a thing
There is more than one of the answer

[Lionheart00]

A Moomba?

[Hexarar]

It's the barrier on the railway bridge over the sea!

You can't surpass me It's impossible to get to the railway bridge
and the power I wield.
Try as you might,
I'll resist your struggle.
I do my job constantly and without thought.It remains impossible. It doesn't think.

The answer is a thingIt is.

The answer is never fought[/I]Well, you can't.

There is more than one of the answer
The answer is retarded, although not in the general meaning
Doesn't retarded mean slow? And that thing doesn't move.
Don't know about the H sir thing, tho.
(I made this quess just to keep this thread alive. Eiko guy, if you're still here, won't you tell us the answer?)

[Rantz]

I'd say Eiko guy has been gone for too long, if no one minds I'll make a new riddle, or someone else can do it...

[Lenna]

you go for it Rantz

[Rantz]

This one shouldn't be too hard, hopefully:

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg,
and The red saviour

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.

[The Last Oath]

ahhahaahaha, funny

[Rantz]

Ok, does anyone want to try the riddle or post another one? I'm back from Scotland ;)

[ragnosica]

I'll give it a try, i like my riddles short and sugestive, makes you think a lot:) .

I may be an easy monster but you can never tell,
If you make me angry i might send you to hell.

[Rantz]

Belhelmel?

[ragnosica]

nope

[XandrewX]

Tonberry...

[RoxasLeonhart]

What GF has a attack called Hell Fire

[XandrewX]

:eep: Ifrit have that attack :eep:

[RoxasLeonhart]

What is the first 2 Gf's you get in the game

[XandrewX]

:eep: Quezacolyt and Shiva :eep:

[Enjolras]

Is it Cerberus?

[Boco & Mog]

t-rex saur?

[ragnosica]

nope, cerberus and t-rexaur are not easy:eep:
first hint: it uses morph if u use physical attacks

[Rantz]

Jelleye

[ragnosica]

nope, 2nd hint: it's name is similar to the previous form of a butterfly

[Rantz]

Caterchipiller? Although I don't think they morph...

[BG-57]

Maybe it's a reference to Ultra Waves?

[Lionheart00]

is it a blobra???
(i have no idea!!!)

[TheSpoonyBard]

Fake President -> Gerogero?

[Enjolras]

Is it Krysta?

[Rantz]

As ragnosica seems to have either abandoned or forgotten about this riddle, I'll post the one I posted on the last page again, give it a try if you want:

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg,
and The red saviour

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.

[jammi567]

ultimcia.

[Rantz]

Nope. :p The answer isn't quite as obvious, not a big part of the game.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Is it Ifrit?

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg,
and The red saviour - the preceptor maybe being Squall, assassin since he is summoned to aid in the killing of foes, and the red saviour giving away his element, fire.

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No. - To some he does not seem to be all those things listed above, or any, depending on your opinion.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. - If you really use him to the best of his abilities, he really does come in handy.

I am the beginning. - He is practically at the start of the game as well as being your first captured GF.

[Rantz]

Nope, but cheers for trying. The riddle as it is doesn't say much about the answer. You'll have to figure out certain parts before trying to find the answer.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

So only parts of the riddle are actually clues and the rest is just add-ons?

[loza]

is it cid?:confused:

[Doomie]

GeroGero.

There's actual logic to it, but I'm much too lazy to explain it.

[Rantz]

It's not Cid or GeroGero.


So only parts of the riddle are actually clues and the rest is just add-ons?
Well, you could call them add-ons, but they're necessary to solve for the rest of the riddle to be solved. They just don't have a direct connection to the answer.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

And you're expecting us to be able to tell the difference between those two kinds of information?

[Rantz]

It's very possible, although you might find it hard. It's meant that way. If you want a question answered, ask it. :)

It will get easier as I give you new hints, I don't expect anyone to figure it out in one guess.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

...thought so. x3

[Rantz]

:jess: Well you're welcome to ask about anything you're wondering, I don't want my riddles to go on forever.

Hint: The answer is not a monster.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Not a monster, so does that include creature like bosses and GFs?

[Rantz]

Bosses, yes, GFs no. I'll rephrase: The answer is not an enemy.

[BG-57]

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor, Could be a reference to Beauty, as in 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin, Dilatory means late or tardy.
The daedal burg, Daedal means intricate or highly decorated, while Burg is either a castle or a city.
and The red saviour

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array Could be clothing
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.


My first inclination for the tardy assassin is Irvine, while Esthar would seem to be the most intricate city. Those clues don't match up though.

So I'm going to take a different approach and suggest the burg is a castle, and the references to the red savior and clothing could be Xerampelinae (Red Clothing). So my guess is the clock puzzle in Ultemecia's castle.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

So it can be a GF or an ally then?

[Rantz]

My first inclination for the tardy assassin is Irvine, while Esthar would seem to be the most intricate city. Those clues don't match up though.

So I'm going to take a different approach and suggest the burg is a castle, and the references to the red savior and clothing could be Xerampelinae (Red Clothing). So my guess is the clock puzzle in Ultemecia's castle.
You're right about one thing here, but the clock puzzle is the wrong answer. I think you need to look up the word "preceptor", but read the hint I'm about to give first.


So it can be a GF or an ally then?
For example, yes.

Hint: The second, third and fourth paragraphs all give clues about how to solve the first paragraph. The first one is possible to solve without their help, but easier with.

[BG-57]

Argh, misread preceptor as perceptor. :mad:

Not that either word is in common usage though.

Preceptor means teacher.

Sounds like NORG, but he's an enemy. :confused:

[PhoenixAsh]

I'm new to this thread, but wanted to throw out a guess quickly. The last paragraphs seem to suggest to me that the first paragrah has to rearranged (I'm guessing chronologically) and the reference of the first line is the answer. Now I'm only doing this roughly to see if I'm on the right lines but...

The daedal burg, (Lunatic Pandora)
Myself, (Seifer)
Avoidance, (Dodges Odin)
The victim of the preceptor, (Odin is killed by Seifer)
The dilatory assassin, (Gilgamesh turns up afterwards)
and The red saviour (He wears red, and launches an attack at Seifer)

The daedel burg could be Odin's castle place, which would change the scene, but for now I'm guessing Lunatic Pandora.

[Rantz]

Welcome to the thread :)

Neither Lunatic Pandora nor NORG is correct, but I like your way of reasoning, PhoenixAsh. It's not correct reasoning, but you're approaching it the right way.

The lines are not supposed to be rearranged.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Is nobody else going to try? I don't think I'd be able to think of anymore answers.

[Rantz]

Hint: Try to put the first paragraph in other words.

[Timster]

Pretty new to EoFF and the thread but I'll have a go at it.
Is it Rinoa?

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor, Seifer grabs Rinoa
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin, perhaps Seifer?
The daedal burg, probably Lunatic Pandora
and The red saviour could be the ragnarok (red)

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No. THIS I DON'T GET:confused:

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. maybe having something to do with her being a sorceress

I am the beginning. Rinoa is in the intro

[Rantz]

It's not Rinoa, but you're correct about The red saviour being Ragnarok!

The riddle:
Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg,
and The red saviour

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.

Wrong guesses:
Ultimecia
Ifrit
Cid
GeroGero
The clock puzzle in Ultimecia's castle
NORG
Lunatic Pandora
Rinoa
Ellone
Deep Sea Research Center
Eden
Gilgamesh
The moon

Hints:
The answer is not a major part of the game (i.e. main characters, time compression etc.)
The answer is not an enemy.
The second, third and fourth paragraphs all give clues about how to solve the first paragraph. The first one is possible to solve without their help, but easier with.
Try to put the first paragraph in other words.
"The red saviour" refers to Ragnarok.
The answer has little to no ties to any story or plot at all. It is involved in a process, though.
The first six lines are not a description of the answer's attributes or surroundings, but rather a list of individual "things" that can lead you to the answer. Also, think of the two following lines (Am I all? No. Am I some? No.) in connection to the previously mentioned.

[Timster]

I know I was the last one to guess, but can I guess again?
Because then I would have to say Ellone

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor, Odine wants to observe her, or maybe reffering to Adel
Avoidance, she goes into hiding
The dilatory assassin, could be Laguna when he tricks Adel
The daedal burg, Adels prison/tomb?
and The red saviour, as revealed (thanks to me:p ): the ragnarok

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning. and these later paragraphs...well I don't know about these...:confused:

Edit:Just saw the hint about it not being a main character...

[Rantz]

As long as you only post one guess at a time, you can guess whenever you want :)
But yeah, Ellone is wrong, as you said it's not any main character or major occurrence in the game. As an additional hint, it can be said that the answer has little to no ties to the main storyline.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

So it could be more as a side note or addition to the story?

[thegirth]

i think im gonna go with underwater research lab

the red saviour, you need the ragnarok to get there

other than that perhaps

The dilatory assassin , ruby dragons?
The daedal burg, ultima and bahamut are stuck there ???

it has little to do with the storyline, you dont even have to see it in the game at all

after that i have no clue

[Cledarius]

thegirth got something. But more precisely i say it's Eden.

just because of the line I am the beginning

[Timster]

I'm guessing Gilgamesh, I read a previous guess from PhoenixAsh and his reasoning was really good, but he guessed Lunatic Pandora.



The daedal burg, (Lunatic Pandora)
Myself, (Seifer)
Avoidance, (Dodges Odin)
The victim of the preceptor, (Odin is killed by Seifer)
The dilatory assassin, (Gilgamesh turns up afterwards)
and The red saviour (He wears red, and launches an attack at Seifer)

The daedel burg could be Odin's castle place, which would change the scene, but for now I'm guessing Lunatic Pandora.

[ReloadPsi]

Um, the moon?

[Rantz]

So it could be more as a side note or addition to the story?
It's not much involved in any story or plot at all. Rather a process, if you will.

underwater research lab

Eden

Gilgamesh

the moon
All wrong, sorry. The first part of the riddle (the first six lines) is not a description of the answer's attributes or surroundings, but rather a list of individual "things" that can lead you to the answer.
Also, think of the two following lines (Am I all? No. Am I some? No.) in connection to the previously mentioned.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

So the verses "Am I all? No. Am I some? No." Means that the answers form the lines aren't the actual answer, but help to solve for the true answer. So there is a connection between the answer for each line?

[Shiny]

Myself, (Squall maybe)
The victim of the preceptor, (Quistis or Cid)
Avoidance, (Squall again maybe)
The dilatory assassin, ( Irvine)
The daedal burg, (some sort of location that requires skill--hard monsters maybe lurking here)
and The red saviour (ragnarok)

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array (Squall dressing himself up for the dance maybe)
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. (Pertaining to Squall possibly)
I am the beginning.


Alright. This is going to be a descriptive and an out-there guess, but I'm going to give it a shot.

The answer is:
The first disk of the game. Because the first disk includes introductions of Squall, Quistis and Cid. In the beginning Squall is avoidant. There is also an assassination attempt in which Irvine delays. I'm not sure what the location is, but I'm going to assume it's in the first disk as well. I'm not sure why ragnarok is there since it isn't introduced till disk 3, but there were also other trains similar to ragnarok in disk 1. Also, the dance sequence when Squall dressed up was also in the beginning. So yeah.

[thegirth]

i have to give it up for you, this is an amazing riddle

[Rantz]

So the verses "Am I all? No. Am I some? No." Means that the answers form the lines aren't the actual answer, but help to solve for the true answer. So there is a connection between the answer for each line?
Correct, but the connection is abstract and not one you will recognize until you've solved it (I feel so mean :))

The victim of the preceptor, (Quistis or Cid)
Quistis or Cid is not what that line is referring to. Notice the word victim ;)

The dilatory assassin, (Irvine)
Good guess, but Irvine is not what the line means.

The answer is: The first disk of the game.
Sorry, but no. Cheers for the extensive reasoning :)

i have to give it up for you, this is an amazing riddle
Thanks :jess:

And just to make things clearer:

This:
Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.
I am the beginning.

tells you what to do with this:
Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg,
and The red saviour

[snakebyte91]

im gonna take a wild guess...is it the draw procces? just cos of the line
am i all?no-isnt all of the magic
am i some?no-well you can only do one magic at a time so it isnt some because some is a plural....
well that my guess but really tough riddle congratulations

[Rantz]

Sorry, not drawing magic. Am I all? No. Am I some? No. refers to the paragraph before: The answer is neither one of the above nor all of them.

[Squall(c)]

Has anyone solved chocobo puzzles on Disc 4???? is it possible? Cuz I need only one card (chocobo) to my collection) and I can't find it anywhere...

[snakebyte91]

Has anyone solved chocobo puzzles on Disc 4???? is it possible? Cuz I need only one card (chocobo) to my collection) and I can't find it anywhere...

uh wrong thread mate...just make ur own before u ask :p

[Squall_VIII]

Is it Esthars Shield/Cloak?

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor, (odine or squall when he opens the door to esthar?
Avoidance, (esthar avoiding the world
The dilatory assassin, (refers to ultimecia?
The daedal burg, (esthar the ingenious fortified city
and The red saviour (the ragnarok

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhap, in clearer light (maybe at the right time/in clearer light
and in array (at the correct order or action
my true self will come forth, (reveal esthar
as I am in all. (In its whole entirety

I am the beginning. (The entrance to the city

[Cledarius]

So here's my second guess

How 'bout Squall's love? :love:

Myself, (he doesn't love himself)
The victim of the preceptor, (Quistis loves squall but he doesn't)
Avoidance, (Squall thinks he don't need love)
The dilatory assassin, (Love becomes more and more important to squall)
The daedal burg, (don't know bout this one)
and The red saviour (Squall need Ragnarok to save all)

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light ( a long time it isn't clear if squall loves rinoa)
and in array ( squall needs the perfect moment)
my true self will come forth, (then he knows he loves her)
as I am in all. (Love's in everyone of us)

I am the beginning. ( Riiiiight. Is needed to make babies)

It's Squalls process discovering love?

Wait....what am i writing? :confused:

Wait.....ok...maybe love is not right but the answer is something like that???

[Rantz]

It's neither Esthar's Shield nor Squall's love/process of discovering love.

Wait.....ok...maybe love is not right but the answer is something like that???
Nope, the answer is not abstract (no feeling, mood, event or process for example).

It seems that you are still trying to solve the riddle as a whole. Remember, because it's IMPORTANT: The later part directly refers to the earlier part.

[Timster]

Alright I've got to break this down because it feels like were drifting further away from the answer.

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin, someone (or something), but not Irvine
The daedal burg, a place or something though it's VERY obvious, maybe Lunatic Pandora?
and The red saviour the ragnarok

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No. These 2 lines probably mean that the answer is not all of the things that are described above and not one or 2 either.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. doesn't this part mean that we might have to simplify the first paragraph. by that I mean that we might want to translate it into easier words or something.

I am the beginning. I still don't know what this means...

This is how much I understand from all the hints but I have no idea what to guess or if I've even understood the hints correctly.

Kinda hoping that Rantzien might tell me if at least I've interpreted the hints correctly, then maybe someone can come up with the answer...

(BTW this isn't a guess, I was just wondering if I misunderstood something)

[ReloadPsi]

Could it be... the Junction system? Probably not as it doesn't involve a daedal burg or the Ragnarok.

[snakebyte91]

The second, third and fourth paragraphs all give clues about how to solve the first paragraph. The first one is possible to solve without their help, but easier with.

so it gives clues on HOW to solve the riddle its not actual CLUES to solve it?

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.(so the answer is in a pair or something?

Myself,(squall or a main character
The victim of the preceptor,(another character, maybe rinoa
Avoidance,(possibly esthar or squall avoiding people
The dilatory assassin,(ok its not irvine but probably a character
The daedal burg,(esthar again or maybe lunatic pandora
and The red saviour(the ragnarock



Mayhaps, in clearer light(in a different place or chain of events something could be more clearer...maybe a different time?
and in array(in the right order
my true self will come forth,(again another character or as squall viii said esthar
as I am in all.(in all of everybody...could be magic i suppose...or something else
I am the beginning.(could refer to the beggining of the game or could refer to lagunas story

tell me if i got ANY of this right or if my interpretation is right...and my second guess will be...i dunno yet ill edit it in later

[Timster]

Due to my previously posted reasoning, I've decided to add a guess:

The Obel Lake Quest(you know the lake next to Timber... with Mr. Monkey and all that...)

[ReloadPsi]

Due to my previously posted reasoning, I've decided to add a guess:

The Obel Lake Quest(you know the lake next to Timber... with Mr. Monkey and all that...)
I had been thinking this, but I've no idea what's there to back it up.

So, my next guess: Junk Shops?

[BG-57]

I have a hunch it may be related to Triple Triad.

[snakebyte91]

and in array (in the right order

does this mean we have to change the order of the first paragraph?

[Rantz]

My god you people are productive at writing replies :)


The dilatory assassin someone (or something), but not Irvine - Correct
The daedal burg, a place or something though it's VERY obvious, maybe Lunatic Pandora? - Incorrect (Not the Lunatic Pandora)
and The red saviour the ragnarok - Correct

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No. These 2 lines probably mean that the answer is not all of the things that are described above and not one or 2 either. - Correct

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. doesn't this part mean that we might have to simplify the first paragraph. by that I mean that we might want to translate it into easier words or something. - Correct (You've got an important point right here!)

Could it be... the Junction system? Probably not as it doesn't involve a daedal burg or the Ragnarok.
Nope, not the Junction system. Actually, I would classify the Junction system as abstract.


The second, third and fourth paragraphs all give clues about how to solve the first paragraph. The first one is possible to solve without their help, but easier with.
so it gives clues on HOW to solve the riddle its not actual CLUES to solve it? - Correct

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.(so the answer is in a pair or something? - Incorrect (This has been correctly described before)

Myself,(squall or a main character - Incorrect (This line simply refers to the answer. Not much help, except to figure out what the first paragraph is about)
The victim of the preceptor,(another character, maybe rinoa - Incorrect (This does not refer to a character. It translates to "who/what got killed by the preceptor")
Avoidance,(possibly esthar or squall avoiding people - Incorrect (Think gameplay)
The dilatory assassin,(ok its not irvine but probably a character - Incorrect (Not a playable/non-playable character)
The daedal burg,(esthar again or maybe lunatic pandora - Correct (Esthar)
and The red saviour(the ragnarock - Correct

Mayhaps, in clearer light(in a different place or chain of events something could be more clearer...maybe a different time? - Incorrect ("Something could be clearer" is accurate though :p)
and in array(in the right order - Correct
my true self will come forth,(again another character or as squall viii said esthar - Incorrect (The meaning of this is simpler)
as I am in all.(in all of everybody...could be magic i suppose...or something else - Incorrect (We'll get to this later)
I am the beginning.(could refer to the beggining of the game or could refer to lagunas story - Incorrect (Same here)


The Obel Lake Quest
Nope, sorry.

Junk Shops?
Nope, not Junk shops.

I have a hunch it may be related to Triple Triad.
Not the slightest bit :)

and in array (in the right order
does this mean we have to change the order of the first paragraph?
No, the first paragraph is in the order it should be.

Oh, and Psi, you're actually only allowed one guess at a time (you'll have to wait for your guess to be verified/rejected before you post another). Reasoning is OK to post as much as you'd like, though.

[thegirth]

im rethinking what i said, you have created the greatest riddle ever

[Timster]

Rantzien are you sure that YOU know the answer ;)

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg, (Esthar)
and The red saviour (Ragnarok)

Am I all? No.
Am I some? (The answer is not all the answers to the lines in first paragraph)

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. (One you find out the answer to all lines, the true answer will be revealed.)

I am the beginning.

So far we have four lines in the first paragraph we have yet to decipher, and the last line as well.

[Rantz]

Pretty much so, Heero, except for this:

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. (One you find out the answer to all lines, the true answer will be revealed.)
It won't be revealed directly, but you'll be half finished with the riddle. :)

The riddle:
Myself,
The victim of the preceptor,
Avoidance,
The dilatory assassin,
The daedal burg,
and The red saviour

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.

Wrong guesses:
Cid
Eden
Ellone
GeroGero
Gilgamesh
Ifrit
NORG
Rinoa
Ultimecia

Clock puzzle in Ultimecia's castle
First disk
Junctioning system
Junk shops
Obel Lake quest
Squall's love/process of discovering love
Time compression
Side quests
Machines

Deep Sea Research Centre
Esthar's shield
Lunatic Pandora
Moon

Hints:
The answer is not a major part of the game (i.e. main characters, time compression etc.)
The answer is not an enemy.
The answer is not abstract (no feeling, mood, event or process for example).
The answer is not related to Triple Triad.
The answer is not a machine.

The later part directly refers to the earlier part.
The second, third and fourth paragraphs all give clues about how to solve the first paragraph. The first one is possible to solve without their help, but easier with.
Try to put the first paragraph in other words.
The answer has little to no ties to any story or plot at all. It is involved in a process, though.
The first six lines are not a description of the answer's attributes or surroundings, but rather a list of individual "things" that can lead you to the answer.
The riddle is much more trivial than it may seem. There is little to no metaphorical speaking.
One of the remaining lines looks for an enemy, another line simply looks for a synonym.

"Myself" refers to the answer.
"The victim of the preceptor" refers to X-ATM092.
"The daedal burg" refers to Esthar.
"The red saviour" refers to Ragnarok.
"Am I all? No. Am I some? No." refers to the paragraph before: The answer is neither one of the above nor all of them. The answer is rather given by solving the first six lines, and "processing them" according to what the rest of the riddle says.

[snakebyte91]

damn i just dont have the time to think about this right now...but if i did i probably couldnt do it anyway lol

[jaxun]

time compression??

[thegirth]

no, it is not a main thing

[Rantz]

It is also not anything abstract.

Hint: Preceptor means instructor. Victim is as in death. Who or what got killed by an instructor?

The riddle is also much more trivial than it may seem. There is little to no metaphorical speaking.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Adel's prison?

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Can't be the prison since it was not destroyed by an instructor, since Rinoa is not.

I don't see what could be related to Esthar and the Ragnarok. Is the instructor an NPC in this game?

[Timster]

The only thing I can think of is the X-ATM092 which Quistis... well you know...:shoot: ;)

[Rantz]

Adel's prison is not correct, whether you meant it as an answer for the riddle or the second line.

I don't see what could be related to Esthar and the Ragnarok.
Again don't look for connections there. It's close to impossible to find the key to the first paragraph from the first paragraph. Either you'll have to solve the whole first paragraph, and then look for the key, or you'll have to figure out what the three other paragraphs wants you to do with the first, and then solve the riddle from that.

X-ATM092 is correct for the second line! Good job.

[BG-57]

I'm wondering if there isn't an anagram of the first letters of the first six lines. Ragnarok, Esthar, and XATM092 would give R-E-X, which are included in several monster names, among others.

I doubt it's T-Rexaur, since that's a monster and technically has seven letters.

[jammi567]

is it the side quest missions you can do in it, as they involve the Ranarock, but are optional to the main story.

[Cledarius]

The dilatory assassin, (could this mean the lunatic pandora?)
Avoidance, (could this be a car you can drive? Then you don't have to fight enemies.)

If that so, i come to think, that the first paragraph describes all machines in the game.

And Myself, may be the missing machine, the answer.

[Rantz]

BG-57, you're getting close but you're not quite there yet. Keep thinking in those lines, though.

The answer is not Sidequests or Machines (or a machine).

Hint: One of the remaining lines looks for an enemy, another line simply looks for a synonym.

[BG-57]

Is the synonym I for Myself?

[Rantz]

No, "Myself" is the name of the answer, which complicates it (but just a little), since you don't know the answer yet :)

[Timster]

OOOOOOOMMMMMMMMGGGGGGG! I think I solved the thing!





It has to be the Exeter, the first letters in the lines of the first paragraph spells exeter when translated into that which they are referring to.

Myself, the exeter... first letter:::::::::::::::::::::::::E
The victim of the preceptor,XATM092,:::::::::::::::::X
Avoidance, synonym is evasion:::::::::::::::::::::::::E
The dilatory assassin,enemy beginning with t::::::::::T
The daedal burg,esthar::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::E
and The red saviour. ragnarok:::::::::::::::::::::::::::R

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.

[Rantz]

Correct! The line you missed (T) was supposed to be Tonberry.

Well, the answer should explain the riddle pretty well, but if you're wondering anything, please ask, otherwise get on with the new riddle :D

[Timster]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Well here's my riddle, which will probably seem way too easy compared to Rantzien's. Hope it's not too easy:(

Some may say that I have a split personality,
but with Raijin and Fujin,
I unleash a fury more powerful,
than the sorceress's.

I come from down below,
but won't hesitate to use,
the ground I stand on,
as my weapon.

[jammi567]

Correct! The line you missed (T) was supposed to be Tonberry.

Well, the answer should explain the riddle pretty well, but if you're wondering anything, please ask, otherwise get on with the new riddle :D
i don't get it.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Brothers?

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Rantzien, plz explain the subtlety behind these clues


Am I all? No.
Am I some? No.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all.

I am the beginning.

[Timster]

Brothers?

Nope, it's not Brothers, I knew that this would be guessed...

And to try and answer Bart's Friend Milhouse's question...

Am I all? No.
Am I some? No. these 2 mean that the answer isn't one or more of the things that are described above, ragnarok, esthar etc.

Mayhaps, in clearer light
and in array
my true self will come forth,
as I am in all. this means that we had to translate the first paragraph by finding synonyms and answers to the first section, to be able to find out the real answer

I am the beginning. this I'm not sure of but I think it's referring to that the answer is the first letter in each line, check my post to see what I mean.

If you still don't understand, PM Rantzien or something...and I must say to Rantzien: that riddle was incredible.

[Lost Number]

Pandemonia?

[Timster]

nope not pandemona....

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Is it one of the Triple Triad cards?

[Timster]

Is it one of the Triple Triad cards?

If that's a guess you need to be more specific as to which card...

[Rantz]

i don't get it.
Please tell me more precisely what it is you don't get, and I'll explain it. Unless the following answers it of course.

Rantzien, plz explain the subtlety behind these clues
Sure thing.

Am I all? No. - The answer is not all of the above.
Am I some? No. - The answer is not some of the above.

Mayhaps, in clearer light - When the lines are "translated" into what they refer to,
and in array - and lined up, in order,
my true self will come forth, - the answer may be found.
as I am in all. - The answer has a part in each word.

I am the beginning. - The answer is in the beginning of each word.

Oh, and thanks Timster :jess:

[jammi567]

sure, that explains it quite clearly.

[Cledarius]

My first guess for the new riddle: Cerberus card

Some may say that I have a split personality (three heads)
but with Raijin and Fujin, ( i think this means the card of 'em)
I unleash a fury more powerful, ( item you get by transforming both cards)
than the sorceress's. (you get better item than from transforming Edeas Card)

I come from down below, ( The Hades, Underworld )
but won't hesitate to use,
the ground I stand on,
as my weapon. ( When you fight Cerberus, he often use earthquake (don't know if this correct in english)

[Timster]

And cledarius got it!!!!!!!!...................well kind of......

I was actually thinking of the real cerberus and not at all about cards.

Some may say that I have a split personality, the three heads
but with Raijin and Fujin, is immune to thunder/wind and also uses them
I unleash a fury more powerful,
than the sorceress's. I was kind of referring to that he uses triple a fury 3x as powerful would have been my hint after a few more guesses and the sorceress line refers to his use of magic combined with triple

I come from down below, The Hades, Underworld
but won't hesitate to use,
the ground I stand on,
as my weapon. When you fight Cerberus, he often uses quake

Anyway that's it you're up cledarius!

[Cledarius]

Yay, nearly correct. Phew so its up to me for a new one. ooooooook here we go:

Dancing for me
you don't know the danger
But time will pass
and you get close to me

An evil thing happens
You can't stop it
neither can I
the only thing i can do
is cry

So i wonder if it's easy... we'll see

[jammi567]

rinoa causing the luna cry?

[Cledarius]

no, but not so far from the answer

[jammi567]

Squall being in the middle of the luna cry

[Cledarius]

again no.

some reasoning would be nice

[jammi567]

Dancing for me = squall dancing for Rinoa at the beginning of the game
you don't know the danger = he doesn't know what he will eventually have to do
But time will pass
and you get close to me = over the course of the game, Rinoa and Squall get into a relationship

An evil thing happens = the luna cry
You can't stop it = it's so massive
neither can I = again, so massive
the only thing i can do
is cry = he cries in the escape capsual

[Cledarius]

you're all wrong with the first part. With the second you're on the right path, but you got one line wrong.

[Timster]

I think it's the moon itself.

Dancing for me = maybe referring to the moon how it's dancing around earth
you don't know the danger = no one knows what rinoa will do
But time will pass
and you get close to me = going up to the spacestation via the lunar gate

An evil thing happens = the lunar cry
You can't stop it = it's so massive
neither can I = again, so massive
the only thing i can do
is cry = all the moon can do is cry

[Cledarius]

100 points for TiMsTeR_Of_hEaVeN.

reasoning was good. but let me say this:

Dancing for me = squall and rinoa dancing in balamb garden. It also referst to the music waltz for the moon.
you don't know the danger = nobody knew bout the luna cry at that time.

rest was correct.

so your turn now

[Timster]

Yaay, I'm back!
Hopefully with a harder riddle...

Some from the schizofrenic,
and some from the weakest,
but that's not all...

Something that Fujin could use,
and yet we see it every day.

I'm a veteran,
going round and round...
flying like an arrow in the sky...

[Mercen-X]

Does this have anything to do with Wind?

If that's the answer, just skip me.

[Timster]

nope it's not wind...

[thegirth]

hey im gonna guess bahamut,
Some from the schizofrenic,
and some from the weakest,
but that's not all... , this i dont get

Something that Fujin could use, the Pinwheel, in ff 10 he has one on his back, i cant recall 8's
and yet we see it every day. in the final fantasy world we see bahamut everday

I'm a veteran, bahamut is in about every final fantasy game
going round and round...
flying like an arrow in the sky...he is a DRAAAAGOOONN so he flys

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Silence magic?

[Enjolras]

Is it Rinoa's weapon, Rising Sun?

Some from the schizofrenic, - Saw blade is needed from Belhelmel.
and some from the weakest, - Screws are needed from a Geezaur.
but that's not all...

Something that Fujin could use, - Is a type of Razor Ring.
and yet we see it every day. - We see the Sun rise everyday.

I'm a veteran,
going round and round...
flying like an arrow in the sky...

[Timster]

And Enjolras282 got it right it's the rising sun, most of the reasoning is right too...

Some from the schizofrenic, - Saw blade is needed from Belhelmel.
and some from the weakest, - Screws are needed from a Geezaur.
but that's not all... you also need gil

Something that Fujin could use, - Is a type of Razor Ring.
and yet we see it every day. - We see the Sun rise everyday.

I'm a veteran, rising sun was in ff7 too if i'm not mistaken
going round and round... it spins when flying
flying like an arrow in the sky... it's a projectile weapon

[Enjolras]

Someone can take my turn.

[Mercen-X]

I'm a veteran, rising sun was in ff7 too if i'm not mistaken

I think you steal it from Diamond Weapon

[thegirth]

i dont think so, i will try to think up a riddle

[thegirth]

Ok got it

i spin round and round with my pal Rinoa
a trip from prison to peace
the pale spore
and the uprooted garden
trapped in a town
and the three headed beast

well i hope this one isnt too easy, its pretty abstract

[jammi567]

Galabria garden?

[thegirth]

nope

[Timster]

want to check my ideas:

i spin round and round with my pal Rinoa pinwheels, which are also used by fujin
a trip from prison to peace balamb liberation?
the pale spore really unfriendly thought but; fujin?
and the uprooted garden balamb?
trapped in a town galbadia occupying balamb?
and the three headed beast cerberus?

so maybe... headmaster martine... i haven't got a clue but i have to guess SOMETHING...

[thegirth]

and the uprooted garden balamb?
trapped in a town galbadia occupying balamb?
and the three headed beast cerberus?

these are all correct the others and the answer are wrong

hint think times

[Mercen-X]

Is it someone with a grave? Is it Angelo? :rolleyes2 :p

[thegirth]

nope, think more abstract than that

[thegirth]

sorry for the double post if it happens, but my compy is messin up and it doesnt seem as though noone would post in 5 days

[Enjolras]

I think it's the Second Disk itself.

i spin round and round with my pal Rinoa - The Second disk has a picture of Rinoa on it.
a trip from prison to peace
the pale spore
and the uprooted garden
trapped in a town
and the three headed beast - And all these lines describe events on the second disk.:cool:

[thegirth]

ding ding ding, good job enjolras, sorry for the wait, my internet was out

[Rantz]

Wow, very clever Enjolras282 :)

[thegirth]

i did the whole with my pal rinoa cuz i new she was on the PAL disc, but i wasnt sure on the others

[Enjolras]

You can have my turn Rantzien, you're a good riddler. If not then it's up for grabs.

[Rantz]

Thanks ^_^
I'll at least wait a while, I've had more than my fair share of riddles and I think there are others hoping to get a turn. If no one has grabbed it by tomorrow I'll get a riddle done. :)

[thegirth]

ok your up rantzien

[Rantz]

Eh, it's not great, but here goes:

An asthma mind
can help you find
the way to raise your strength

When not alone
the power stone
may help you go a length

Without ado
you still can grow
the power to call forth

with greater force
the fire source
and the cold wind of north

[thegirth]

i think its GFs
An asthma mind, they make you forget
can help you find
the way to raise your strength but they can raise your strength with things such as junctioning

When not alone
the power stone
may help you go a length, i dont get this


Without ado
you still can grow, you keep leveling (?)
the power to call forth, you have to call them

with greater force
the fire source, ifrit
and the cold wind of north, shiva

[snakebyte91]

i think it may be an item or something...but im not sure

[McLovin']

Ifrit vs Shiva in the Fire Caverns.

[BG-57]

GF Compatibility items?

An asthma mind (Amnesia Greens)
can help you find
the way to raise your strength (You can equip new junctions if you erase others to make room)

When not alone
the power stone (Shaman Stone)
may help you go a length

Without ado (GF Compatibilty items improve the speed of the summon)
you still can grow
the power to call forth

with greater force
the fire source (Bomb Fragment)
and the cold wind of north (North Wind)

[Rantz]

None are right so far. Oh, and the two last verses could be read as one.

[~Cloud Strife~]

hmm

Something to do with junction?


And the last verse to do with ifrit and shiva?


An asthma mind
can help you find
the way to raise your strength

Meaning GF's make you lose your memory but they help you raise your strength

When not alone
the power stone
may help you go a length

Stones I can think of:
Rosetta stone - Ability x4 + Bahamut?
Wizard stone - Refine magic
M - Stone Peice - Refine magic
Something to do with bahamut or magic?


Without ado
you still can grow
the power to call forth

Summoning a GF

with greater force
the fire source
and the cold wind of north

Ifrit and Shiva

[Rantz]

The last two lines does refer to Ifrit and Shiva, yes. The first line has nothing to do with memory though.

[~Cloud Strife~]

An asthma mind
can help you find
the way to raise your strength

Something to do with the laguna dreams?

[Rantz]

Nope.

[McLovin']

GF Compatibility items.

I believe there is a stone that can raise your compatibility with a GF.

[Timster]

phoenix pinion?

[Rantz]

Magus of Zeal, GF Compatibility items has already been guessed by BG-57. Phoenix Pinion is not the right answer.

[ReloadPsi]

I looked up asthma and basically the best way I can think of is that it's meant to mean a narrow mind in this case. Does that help anyone?

I'm thinking of the menu to force a GF to learn a particular ability (you pick one and all AP earned are spent on it)

[Rantz]

Sorry, asthma does not refer to having a narrow mind. I don't think you're going to benefit from looking it up, unfortunately.

[Da5nake]

An asthma mind
can help you find
the way to raise your strength
(that sounds like a magic...... sounds like berserk)


When not alone
the power stone
may help you go a length
(Ultima Stone), (Aura Stone)

Without ado
you still can grow
the power to call forth
i know it's not the leveling since after 100, you can't go further and can't level up your GFs
But i do think, it's that the timer on bottom right near the money and SEED Rank, the time doesn't stop, it keeps going and turns bold red to signify that you have played alot of hours........o.O


with greater force
the fire source
and the cold wind of north
obviously this was given (Shiva + Ifrit)

[Rantz]

Nope, not the timer. You shouldn't separate the two last verses, they're in the same sentence. For the sake of rhythm and rhyme they're divided up in lines and verses, but it really could all be in one line.

The two first verses are also connected with each other and with the latter part, but more loosely.

[Timster]

is it character abilities/gf-abilities, (or abilities in general)?

[jammi567]

i think that it's just specifically gf's

[PhoenixAsh]

An asthma mind (Asthma, breathing - Pandemona)
can help you find
the way to raise your strength (I'm guessing entirely here, but I remember learning how to use Boost with Pandemona, so she might be uniquely related to it somehow)

When not alone (Brothers)
the power stone (Again Brothers)
may help you go a length (Something to do with maxing Boost?)

Without ado (If you're quick...)
you still can grow
the power to call forth

with greater force (... you can boost highly...)
the fire source (...Ifrit...)
and the cold wind of north (...and Shiva?)

Something to do with Boosting GFs? I dunno, in the highly unlikely case that I'm right, someone else can take my go.

[Rantz]

No one is right so far.

"Strength" in the first verse simply refers to the Strength stat.

[Timster]

is it junction abilities...?

[Rantz]

Nope, but related to some.

[Timster]

is it your stats?

[Enjolras]

Is it something to do with refining the Zell, Quistis and Minotaur cards into Hyper Wrists, Samantha Souls and Adamantines respectively?

An athsma mind - Perhaps a reference to Zell and his occasional airheadedness?
Can help you find
A way to raise your strength - His card refines into Hyper Wrists, which teach the ability Strength+60%

When not alone - Perhaps a reference to the Brothers?
The power stone
My help you go a length - Minotaur's card refines into Adamantines (Power stone?) which teach Vitality+60%

Without ado
You can still grow
The power to call forth

With greater force
The fire source
And cold wind of the North - If we follow along with the same theory, this could mean refining the Quistis card into Samantha Souls, which teach SumMagic+40%.

It may be right off, but it's worth a shot.

[Rantz]

It's not your stats, and it does not have anything to do with card refining, yet you're not too far off, Enjolras. Keep guessing :)

[psyniac_123]

Verse 1: Berserk?

An athsma mind
Can help you find
A way to raise your strength

Verse 2: Aura Stones and Limit Breaks?

When not alone
The power stone
My help you go a length

Verses 3 & 4: Boost and GFs

Without ado
You can still grow
The power to call forth

With greater force
The fire source
And cold wind of the North

How wide of the mark? :D

[Rantz]

Pretty far, unfortunately, although not entirely. :)

"An asthma mind" does not refer to any "state of mind", or any mind itself.

[Timster]

ooo i think i have something here!

An asthma mind is an anagram for Samantha Mind = Samantha Soul= SumMag+30%

The power stone is energy crystal = SumMag +40%

Without ado you still can grow= you learn the abilities immediately instead of earning ap and thus become stronger when summoning fire source and cold wind which are ifrit and shiva, meaning you can summon them with greater force...

So the SumMag Abilities (or the items that teach them, pretty much the same though...)

[Rantz]

You're not spot on, but you're close enough, so I give you right. The correct answer was simply Samantha Soul. Here's the reasoning:

An asthma mind
can help you find
the way to raise your strength - 20 Samantha Soul can be refined into Elem-Atk-J. Note: My hint about "strength" referring to the strength stat was a mistake, I just noticed. Sorry :-\

When not alone
the power stone
may help you go a length - When in a quantity of 50, the Energy Crystal refines into a Samantha Soul (helping you go a length with what was said in the first verse).

Without ado
you still can grow
the power to call forth
with greater force
the fire source
and the cold wind of north - Samantha Soul, without any refining ("without ado") can teach you to summon a stronger Ifrit and Shiva (for examples).

You're up! And also, I think this'll be my last riddle on EoFF :)

[Timster]

What! why Rantz, you make excellent riddles... they're not too hard ...

hmm someone can take my turn this time i can't think of anything now... :(

[Rantz]

Well it's just that it's a little too much work writing them up and checking on them all the time. :)

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Wow, I'm so amazed that this is still going. Awesome! :D

[Da5nake]

What! why Rantz, you make excellent riddles... they're not too hard ...

hmm someone can take my turn this time i can't think of anything now... :(
well ok let's see if i can take a shot at it :D

I know this one is too easy but lets get it :)


I Hang Around All The Time,
I'm Just Not Easily Noticed.
I May Be Small
But I'm Very Impacting,
You're Able To Give Me A Name.
When You Do Notice Me,
I Help Create A Massive Ball of Energy,
That Leaves A large Explosion That Engulfs The Enemy.

Goodluck :D it's not like you need it anyways >.<:tongue:

[Hazzard]

Carbuncle?

[Timster]

noo i think it's the griever ring/squalls ring...

kinda obvious reasoning but if you want i can post it...