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Dreddz
02-21-2006, 06:09 PM
I forget where I heard about this, but can they, cause thats wrong if they could.

Yamaneko
02-21-2006, 06:20 PM
Yes, we COULD read PMs, but we don't unless a complaint is raised regarding harassment via PM. In other words, we only check member's PMs if permission is given beforehand.

This could've been PMed (!) to a staff member.

ShunNakamura
02-21-2006, 06:25 PM
I forget where I heard about this, but can they, cause thats wrong if they could.

I would think it obvious that they could. The data for the PM has to be stored somewhere on thier server(or another I guess you could use another server that they had access to(not sure though, never played with forums), but regardless the data is there. And if it is there it can be read. Just like e-mail.

Bear in mind that doesn't mean they do read it or would want to.

Old Manus
02-21-2006, 06:34 PM
Some PMs get mysteriously lost during travel

Bit like the Royal Mail really

Del Murder
02-21-2006, 06:41 PM
It's not wrong. This is a privately owned site, and therefore all posts and pms made here are the property of Eyes on Final Fantasy. Don't worry though, no one's reading your pms.

Raistlin
02-21-2006, 06:52 PM
It's not wrong. This is a privately owned site, and therefore all posts and pms made here are the property of Eyes on Final Fantasy.
Beat me to it, SD. :p

I remember in vB2 there was a "check members' PMs" part of the admin CP. Although that seems to be gone in vB3 (pre-3.5, anyway, as I still haven't bought that renewal-membership thingy for upgrading for tGA), though there's still definitely a way to do it. But for anyone at tGA: you can be sure I'm not reading your PMs, because I don't give a damn to figure out how to do it. :p

edczxcvbnm
02-21-2006, 06:53 PM
Because they can read PMs I leave them hate mail in my PMs...just in case :D

Psychotic
02-21-2006, 07:00 PM
What about if the PM has been deleted? Can you still read it then? As that'd be lot of PMs you people are keeping stored somewhere in the bowels of EoFF.

Yamaneko
02-21-2006, 07:08 PM
I'm pretty sure it gets deleted from the DB.

crono_logical
02-21-2006, 07:55 PM
We can see anything stored in the database using SQL queries if we really wanted to :D But yes, being able to and wanting to are completely different things :p

Dreddz
02-21-2006, 10:55 PM
Well, dosent PM stand for Private Message, kinda loses the purpose of being called a PM. As its not.

Yamaneko
02-21-2006, 10:59 PM
There's nothing we can do about it. Anything stored on the server or database is avaliable to those with the proper permission. We cannot just magically hide your PMs and yet still keep them on the database. The point here is that the admins do not look at your PMs without prior consent. If you cannot accept that then I suggest you stop using the PM service.

Dreddz
02-21-2006, 11:03 PM
Its a game of trust now is it, Hmmmmm

Shoeberto
02-21-2006, 11:08 PM
Maybe as part of a fundraiser we could start selling tin-foil hats.

crono_logical
02-21-2006, 11:09 PM
Same with any computer and network access :p Do you trust your ISP enough to chat with people and send unencrypted emails, probably logging in with plain-text passwords? :D

Raistlin
02-21-2006, 11:11 PM
I demand that "private messages" be changed to "not-so-private messages," since the current name is obviously a blatant lie.

Behold the Void
02-21-2006, 11:20 PM
I've seen some IM conversations I'd rather not. Do you people honestly think we WANT to read your PMs? Seriously.

crono_logical
02-21-2006, 11:23 PM
They're private as in toilet - someone can still barge in on you :p

MecaKane
02-21-2006, 11:24 PM
I would! <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">, no more cable TV bills for me if I had access to all that!

Flying Mullet
02-21-2006, 11:26 PM
They're private as in toilet - someone can still barge in on you :p
And that doesn't stop Yams.

rubah
02-21-2006, 11:31 PM
Change them to queries like on IRC.

Someone can overhear you if you're whispering in a quiet room, but are they?

You should only believe that if you're paranoid.

(Besides, they're too busy reading their own PMs to read anyone else's. I mean, RSL is totally covered, yams is too lazy, and munty is a robot and doesn't care about human affairs. That just leaves the others.)

Dr Unne
02-21-2006, 11:36 PM
The people who own LiveJournal can read all your entries including private ones. Some pervert at AOL could be sitting there listening to your AIM conversations. Someone at Yahoo could be printing your emails and passing them out to co-workers for amusement.

Only if you use those services though. No one forces you to use them. Someone at the Post Office could be reading your mail too, after all. Someone could be hiding outside your window right now.

Yamaneko
02-21-2006, 11:38 PM
The TV is watching me.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-21-2006, 11:59 PM
I read Amanda's Private Messages one time, but she was cool. Pretty good reading, too.

rubah
02-22-2006, 12:14 AM
The post office stole my livesaver. I haven't been pleased with them since.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-22-2006, 12:18 AM
The Post Office Stole My Lifesaver haven't put out a decent album in twenty years.

RSL
02-22-2006, 12:46 AM
I don't even know how to do SQL queries (and I don't think I have access to that anyway). So I myself cannot read your PMs, even if I wanted to.

Please just trust that we aren't reading your PMs. We certainly have better things to do with our time.

Cruise Control
02-22-2006, 12:58 AM
Only if they are literate.

Samuraid
02-22-2006, 02:26 AM
It's pretty simple...

Number of admins: 8
Number of admins who can execute SQL queries in the forums: 5
Number of admins who have abused this privledge to wrongfully invade privacy: 0

Psychotic
02-22-2006, 02:30 AM
Who are the three who aren't trusted enough?

Obviously Samur Aid isn't one, or he wouldn't be gloating about it.

RSL
02-22-2006, 02:33 AM
Myself, Kishi, and I'm not really sure who the third would be. Roogle perhaps?

Samuraid
02-22-2006, 02:34 AM
Actually, I don't have adminCP permissions to run any queries. :p

Trust is not the right word for it. It's really need. And those who need to run queries rarely even do so as it is.

Shlup
02-22-2006, 02:36 AM
Dreddz is clearly talking smack in his PMs. Cuff 'im!

Raistlin
02-22-2006, 02:36 AM
Myself, Kishi, and I'm not really sure who the third would be. Roogle perhaps?
That was my guess, too. Both wrong on the last one. Guess the "full" admins know better than to trust Samuraid. :p

Yamaneko
02-22-2006, 02:38 AM
Actually, I don't have adminCP permissions to run any queries. :p
You could always give it to yourself. :p

Most of the time SQL queries are only run to compile stats for BoB's unending stats fascination, and ever since we got the inline moderation features it has been used even less.

RSL
02-22-2006, 02:39 AM
Turns out I can run queries. I don't know when this happened. Time to go read all your PMs!

Yamaneko
02-22-2006, 02:42 AM
We're passing the wanker around.

crono_logical
02-22-2006, 03:04 AM
Am I the only one to actually modify the tables with the queries then rather than get information out, such as mass deleting user notes? :p

RSL
02-22-2006, 03:05 AM
Probably. Why would you want to mass delete usernotes?

Rye
02-22-2006, 03:09 AM
Maybe as part of a fundraiser we could start selling tin-foil hats.

If you pay 10 dollars, the admins promise to never read your PMs. :p

Behold the Void
02-22-2006, 06:51 AM
If you pay 10 dollars, the admins promise to never read your PMs. :p

...for a year.

Hawkeye
02-22-2006, 07:14 AM
Guys, be sensible. Burn the PMs.

On a side note, has anyone seen the correlation between PMs, and PMS, or is it just me?

Samuraid
02-22-2006, 08:12 AM
That's why capitalization matters. :p

Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-22-2006, 08:19 AM
That's not really what "correlation" means.

Yamaneko
02-22-2006, 08:48 AM
It has to do with which way the toilet water spins depending on the hemisphere.

Rusty
02-22-2006, 09:04 AM
It could be Pre-Moderation Syndrome.

Miriel
02-22-2006, 09:10 AM
Yamaneko is always saying creepy things like "I can see EVERYTHING" so I'm guessing that includes private messages too. >_>

Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-22-2006, 09:17 AM
Instead of wasting your time on guesses, you ought to be locking your doors.

-N-
02-22-2006, 11:56 AM
It has to do with which way the toilet water spins depending on the hemisphere.Dude, it's different. I swear.

Loony BoB
02-22-2006, 01:38 PM
Private Messages are private. They're only readable by yourself and the admins. That's private! As in, not public. :)

I've read PMs from other people without their permission, but only if they were reported for PM advertising and I wanted to find out the scale of which they were doing such a thing. Otherwise, yeah, permission is requested.

Samuraid (and I guess Cid and myself) doesn't need SQL query access via vB because he can do that stuff via phpMyAdmin or other such tools. Although if he wants to allow himself to run queries via the admin CP he just has to type his id into a field on a file on the server and he'll be sorted. *shrugs*

Roogle
02-22-2006, 01:42 PM
Administrators of this forum have no need nor want to read any private messages of a user unless there is a report or violation of the rules the user agreed to upon their initial registration.

Loony BoB
02-22-2006, 02:25 PM
It's also notable that PMs get sent something like once every two minutes on average (if I remember correctly), and that's way too much reading for me - I barely have enough time these days as it is :p

Flying Mullet
02-22-2006, 02:28 PM
This would actually be a problem if anyone had any PMs worth reading.

Loony BoB
02-22-2006, 02:53 PM
Oh, don't worry, they do! I mean, uh...

fire_of_avalon
02-22-2006, 05:04 PM
The post office stole my livesaver. I haven't been pleased with them since.
Mine too. :(

NeoCracker
02-22-2006, 05:29 PM
It's pretty simple...

Number of admins: 8
Number of admins who can execute SQL queries in the forums: 8
Number of admins who we are aware have abused this privledge to wrongfully invade privacy: 0[(Possibly Yams and Bob)

Just thought I'd fix that up a little.

Flying Mullet
02-22-2006, 06:11 PM
Mine too. :(
I don't want to know what "life saver" is a euphemism for to you kids .

Leeza
02-22-2006, 09:13 PM
I received my life-saver all safe and sound and uncrunched. :cat:

Old Manus
02-22-2006, 10:31 PM
I'm sure that nobody here actually cares that much if somebody reads their pms

Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-22-2006, 10:43 PM
Yeah, Ashley's an exhibitionist anyway.

TheAbominatrix
02-22-2006, 11:10 PM
It's true.

Stay out of my PMs, Kishi. Mandee and I are gossiping about you <3

rubah
02-23-2006, 12:09 AM
my PMs are pretty hot, but rsl can read them for himself already.

Shoeberto
02-23-2006, 12:12 AM
It would be tragic if the foaxhsu PMs were revealed to the general public

wait




o crap :(

rubah
02-23-2006, 12:17 AM
What

Loony BoB
02-23-2006, 12:17 AM
oh oh oh

I've seen this episode

RSL & foa end up hooking up!

Shoeberto
02-23-2006, 12:21 AM
oh oh oh

I've seen this episode

RSL & foa end up hooking up!
MY WORLD CRUMBLES AROUND ME AND YOU JEST



I SAY GOOD DAY, SIR.

Loony BoB
02-23-2006, 12:24 AM
MY WORLD CRUMBLES AROUND ME AND YOU JEST



I SAY GOOD DAY, SIR.
Dude, it's 11:22pm!

Cruise Control
02-23-2006, 12:26 AM
XD

RSL
02-23-2006, 03:22 AM
what

Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-23-2006, 03:33 AM
<img src="http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/grokyou/mg-gb-075.png" title="Please be careful not to be taken advantage of by that man.">

Behold the Void
02-23-2006, 04:21 AM
*closes with extreme prejudice.*

What?

Cid
02-24-2006, 10:03 PM
I start my day with a fresh cup of coffee and suffle through the last 24 hours of PMs.