English Football Thread! 2005-2006 Season [Archive]

Jess

02-27-2006, 02:54 PM

This thread is to discuss upcoming matches and matches that have already happened this season and the likes. :cool:

So, 2-0 to Newcastle when playing Everton on Saturday? This made me happy, so happy infact that I celebrated by getting very drunk! I like how much better we have been playing since we got rid of useless Souness. I thought the match was going to be lost as none of our best players were participating in the match (Dyer, Shearer & Owen)! But we pulled through and came out 2 nil up. It was a good match for Solano, I must say! :spin:

I was also suprised at Blackburns win over Arsenal but not suprised at Liverpools win over Man city, because of how well they've been doing this season! :cool:

Psychotic

02-27-2006, 03:02 PM

I wasn't surprised at Blackburn vs Arsenal. Arsenal simply cannot win away. If you were to look at the Premiership table based on home form, Arsenal would be third. But on away form, they're 14th. And next week they're away to Fulham, who suffer from the same problem (4th and last, yes, they are worse than Sunderland away) and I can only imagine them losing there. And considering that they're in 7th place, level on points with West Ham who have a game in hand, and 1 point behind Wigan, things don't look too good at Highbury.

Although their match after Fulham is against Liverpool. Ordinarily I'd expect Liverpool to win, but Liverpool are beginning to get fatigued. But then again, could Arsenal's Champion's League endeavours fatigue them? We shall see.

I think Liverpool would finish higher than Man Utd, if Man Utd weren't out of Europe and Liverpool hadn't played so many games this season. (We've already played more than Tottenham will have to, I read somewhere)

Shoden

02-27-2006, 07:49 PM

I think Solano is regaining the form that made him a saint all those years ago, I think he's the key to bringing entertainment back to the club, Newcastle should resign old players again like Speed but Milner will be excellent next season, Woodgate may not survive at Real Madrid and he was the only decent defender the club has come on we're stuck with the chuckle brothers! I'd love to see Man U get passed by Liverpool in the league.

HowlingMonkey

02-28-2006, 09:18 AM

Eh. Since Souness left Newcastle have had a run of easy games. Sure, they would have done slightly worse with Souness in charge, but they'd still have picked up a fair few points. They just need a decent central defender and a replacement for when Shearer leaves.

Rocket Edge

02-28-2006, 07:10 PM

I think Liverpool would finish higher than Man Utd, if Man Utd weren't out of Europe and Liverpool hadn't played so many games this season. (We've already played more than Tottenham will have to, I read somewhere)
in my opinion, i dont think liverpool are gonna finish higher than united. simply because i think united look the better side at the moment, and after winning the league cup, all they have to worry about is the premiership. on paper, united are better anyway.

Shoden

02-28-2006, 09:56 PM

More like good enough to get kicked out the champions league as early as possible lol.
Anything can happen, maybes Charlton could get to 2nd or Arsenal to 10th, who knows

Old Manus

02-28-2006, 10:56 PM

Next season, we're talking Chelsea winning the quadruple if we play our cards right and Arsenal and Man U do as poor as thay have this season

Psychotic

02-28-2006, 11:03 PM

in my opinion, i dont think liverpool are gonna finish higher than united. simply because i think united look the better side at the moment, and after winning the league cup, all they have to worry about is the premiership. on paper, united are better anyway.The only place where United are stronger than Liverpool on paper is in attack, imho. In goal and defence, both teams look to be very sound, whereas in midfield, Liverpool totally outgun United, although in attack, United totally outgun Liverpool. I'd say on paper, both teams are pretty much equal, and the results prove this: A 0-0 draw, a 1-0 to United, and a 1-0 to Liverpool.

But I already said I think Liverpool won't manage to finish as high as United. ;)

Lost Number

02-28-2006, 11:04 PM

I just hope Man U will do well.

tomamar04

03-01-2006, 07:54 AM

We'll finish second. I'm pretty confident on that.

Any opinions on where Le Arse will finish? I predict 6th...

Rocket Edge

03-01-2006, 11:18 AM

The only place where United are stronger than Liverpool on paper is in attack, imho. In goal and defence, both teams look to be very sound, whereas in midfield, Liverpool totally outgun United, although in attack, United totally outgun Liverpool. I'd say on paper, both teams are pretty much equal, and the results prove this: A 0-0 draw, a 1-0 to United, and a 1-0 to Liverpool.

But I already said I think Liverpool won't manage to finish as high as United. ;)
must have mis-read, my bad ^^

its true up to a point, liverpool out-do united in midfield, and by a good bit, but i think united win in defence aswell. you said united win in the attack, which is true, but i think united have better defenders, and although you didnt mention this, its there that i think united make the better team.
i mean, liverpool have outstanding players like finnan and carragher, but united have players like ferdinand(through the crititism and whatever, hes still one of the best in my opinion), heinze(arguably the BEST defender in the world, and certinaly left back), gary neville(doesn't have the natural ability as someone like Terry but is solid all the same, and if united put Vidic(i seen this guy play, he's unreal, but he hasnt gelled in with the team yet) in there, or people like evra, o'shea, silvestre, they would all do the job as they are all decent players. thats just my assumption;)

Cuchulainn

03-01-2006, 11:20 AM

United will finish 2nd or 3rd. I am not 100% confident we won't mess up & finish 3rd. Liverpool are strong everywhere bar attack. They'll be down our necks every step of the way.

In regard to Arsenal. As much as I hate the man, he is a world class manager who will always have my respect as a manager. Same as Mourinho, Allerdyce, Curbishley, Jewell & Benitz.

Arsenal are still in with a chance of the last CL place, doubtful, but it's there. 6th, as has been stated, is realistic.

Resha

03-01-2006, 12:58 PM

I don't understand why arsenal do so badly in away games. :/ It's the same team that has more of a chance winning at home! It shouldn't make a difference, discounting the fact that they're really low in confidence (and lack of fan support when away?). I thought the win over Real Madrid would give them tons of confidence for the game against Blackburn, and I thought we'd win 1 - 0 or 2 - 1 or something -- but apparently not. :(

We're seventh right now -- the lowest we can get is eighth, for now. That place in the table is really, really congested now -- they're all only about one or two points seperate from one another; and all we need is Bolton and Blackburn to lose one game, West Ham to lose two (just to be safe) and Wigan to lose one -- and then WE win one, and we should be right below the Spurs again. Uh...but it looks a lot easier on paper. The theory's too dependent on other teams losing than on us winning. :p But who knows. I think there's about 11 (or is it 10?) games yet. I have complete faith in Wenger; the man's brilliant.

Edit: But oh fuck :( I didn't realise that Bolton had TWO fucking games in hand. I really hate them. They've been the bane of arsenal's existence this season. :mad2:

Psychotic

03-01-2006, 02:33 PM

must have mis-read, my bad ^^

its true up to a point, liverpool out-do united in midfield, and by a good bit, but i think united win in defence aswell. you said united win in the attack, which is true, but i think united have better defenders, and although you didnt mention this, its there that i think united make the better team.
i mean, liverpool have outstanding players like finnan and carragher, but united have players like ferdinand(through the crititism and whatever, hes still one of the best in my opinion), heinze(arguably the BEST defender in the world, and certinaly left back), gary neville(doesn't have the natural ability as someone like Terry but is solid all the same, and if united put Vidic(i seen this guy play, he's unreal, but he hasnt gelled in with the team yet) in there, or people like evra, o'shea, silvestre, they would all do the job as they are all decent players. thats just my assumption;)Although Utd currently have better defensive cover than Liverpool, I think Liverpool's first choice back 4 is better than Utd's. I'd take Finnan over Neville, Carra over Ferdinand and Hyypia over Vidic (although like you say, he hasn't gelled yet, but Hyypia is still doing incredible things week in, week out, even though people say he is past it) anyday. I'll admit Heinze is better than Riise, although I'd take Riise over Silvestre or Evra. I think the fact that Liverpool have conceded 10 less goals than United speaks volume in itself, really.

And finally, just a note on Heinze, hmm, I wouldn't say he's the best defender in the world, but he's definitely one of the best. I'd rate him as equal to Ashley Cole as far as the best left-back thing goes, although they're both suffering from long-term injuries at the moment, so I intend to wait for the World Cup to judge.

Psydekick

03-01-2006, 07:26 PM

I'm a big West Ham fan we have had a truly superb season Harewood and Ahsdon are on excellent form at the mo and so is Gabbadon at the back. What do everyone fink about dem?:)

Loony BoB

03-01-2006, 11:19 PM

I've renamed this thread, hope you don't mind, Jess. This way it can cover any game involving an English side.

Psy: I think the #1 reason Utd have conceded ten more goals than Liverpool is the midfield problems allowing the opposition to get close enough. Also, I'd take Brown over Vidic any day of the week, so I don't know why you said "Hyypia over Vidic" instead of "Hyypia over Brown". I think Neville seems to be concentrating more on attack than defence these days and I personally don't rate those who are standing in for Heinze too highly. If both sides had a full strength defence, United would be on par if not better than Liverpool. For reference, that's Neville, Ferdinand, Brown, Heinze.

And I just noticed that you didn't mention Brown because Rocket Edge didn't mention Brown. I guess he somehow forgot about the player that got the strongest cheer in the awards ceremony at the end of the Carling Cup. Brown is in sensational form lately, saving goals with foot and head more often than any other player in the back row for United.

But again, the reason Liverpool have conceded less goals is because they have a solid back line (like United) and a strong midfield (unlike United).

If the rumours are true about the Glazers giving Ferguson an open cheque book during the summer transfer window, I see Man Utd taking on Chelsea in a very strong way next season. But then, these rumours are from the same kind of tabloids that say Ruud is leaving Man Utd for £10million purely because he was "disappointed" to not play the Carling Cup, despite immediately going on to refute any rift after the previous statement.

On another note, Carrick impressive, but Cole in particular tonight against Uruguay - sensational.

Jess

03-01-2006, 11:24 PM

Ofcourse I don't mind, BoB! :bigsmile:

I totally agree about Joe Cole in tonights England match. Usually I would not give a Chelsea player a pat on the back but tonight he did play amazingly. I think that Darren Bent played really well too, and it was a shame he didn't get his first goal playing for England, but that's okay because Crouch got his instead. :spin:

Psychotic

03-01-2006, 11:24 PM

Hyypia over Brown. :) Besides, look at the performances of the likes of Silvestre and O'Shea this season if you want to say it's the midfield's fault. Or better yet, watch Mr. Evra in the Manchester derby. Ouch.

As for Ruud leaving due to Fergie's personal feelings, it's happened before. Stam, Beckham, Keane... (if Stam and Beckham were still there, they'd be challenging Chelski, imho)

England played alright. Nothing special.

Bart's Friend Milhouse

03-01-2006, 11:27 PM

Top 5 Moaning Premiership Managers
Jose Mourinho, David Moyes, Graeme Sounness, Alex Ferguson, Bryan Robson

also congratulations to England on the 2-1 win

Psychotic

03-01-2006, 11:32 PM

Top 5 Moaning Premiership Managers
Jose Mourinho, David Moyes, Graeme Sounness, Alex Ferguson, Bryan RobsonNo Sam Allardyce? He's the absolute worse. I will scream if he is the next England manager.

Rocket Edge

03-02-2006, 12:46 AM

No Sam Allardyce? He's the absolute worse. I will scream if he is the next England manager. i think he would do brilliantly to be honest;)

forgot to mention brown back there all right, he is really playing brilliantly at the moment.

yes i do think heinze is the best left back in world, ashley cole cant touch him. he was the best player for united last season, and when playing for argentina during last summer, he was the best defender in the world, and everyone said it. i hope this injury doesnt effect him tho.
we do seem to have our differances psychotic:greenie:

what does ppl think of irelands 3-0 win over sweden?!:D

Psychotic

03-02-2006, 01:03 AM

Sam Allardyce would probably make us play 4-5-1 and we'd play long balls up to Kevin Davies or Peter Crouch all day long. *shudder*

And indeed, but I guess differences are what make life interesting.

As for Ireland 3-0 Sweden, a great start for Steve Staunton (and as an ex-Red, I'm happy for him) and for Robbie Keane's captaincy. He's used a young squad, with the likes of Steven Ireland and that Spurs guy whose name I have forgotten...damnit...Stephen Kelly? I think that's his name, and the future looks good for them. And Sweden losing is good news for us in the World Cup!

HowlingMonkey

03-02-2006, 08:58 AM

Yeah, England didn't play exceptionally well, but didn't play badly. We won, and we kept the momentum going forward and that's what matters. We really missed Frank Lampard, Darren Bent didn't get enough service, and I adore Joe Cole :love:

Loony BoB

03-02-2006, 10:37 AM

Hyypia over Brown. :) Besides, look at the performances of the likes of Silvestre and O'Shea this season if you want to say it's the midfield's fault. Or better yet, watch Mr. Evra in the Manchester derby. Ouch.
O'Shea's been playing midfield more often than defender recently with good reason - again, midfield is just that bad for us. Anyone who thinks that the defence is more of a reason for United conceding 10 more goals than the midfield is needs their heads checked. O'Shea and Giggs played midfield in the Carling Cup, right? That's a winger and a defender in the midfield. That says it all. If we had two midfielders of the quality that we had a few years back, United would definitely not concede as many goals. Definitely.

As for Ruud leaving due to Fergie's personal feelings, it's happened before. Stam, Beckham, Keane... (if Stam and Beckham were still there, they'd be challenging Chelski, imho)
Further pointing out that if we had a decent midfield we'd be right up there, as I said. As for it "happening before" - that was when it was common knowledge that there was a difference of opinion going on. Ruud has openly rejected the claims that he intends on leaving and just a week or two ago stated he plans on staying here for 2-3 more years.

Psychotic

03-03-2006, 12:16 AM

Ruud has openly rejected the claims that he intends on leaving and just a week or two ago stated he plans on staying here for 2-3 more years.If I had a penny for every time a footballer said that and then promptly left...

Loony BoB

03-03-2006, 12:57 PM

The latest two updates on that matter are that Ruud's agent says Ruud is happy where he is and has no reason to change teams, and that AC Milan have told Man Utd to keep them posted on the situation. :p Ha.

EDIT: To be honest, I do think that with the likes of Saha, Rooney and Rossi, United don't need Nistelrooy as much as they need a far, far better midfield. Not to compare him with either of those three, merely saying that United have three top class goalscorers as it is and even if Ruud wasn't in the squad, they would still have one of the best (if not THE best) attacks in the league.

Resha

03-04-2006, 05:05 PM

Shoden

03-04-2006, 05:17 PM

Newcastle once again won with another thriller from Nobby and 202 from Shearer even the useless Ameobi netted one.

03-04-2006, 06:35 PM

That arsenal - Fulham game...:D Best ever. Damn near everyone had slated Fulham to win at Craven Cottage, just because they'd not lost there since October. But *happy*. The Gunners were brilliant, but then again, I don't think Fulham put up much of a fight either.Yes! At last an away performance to be proud of! Fulham were terrible on the day, but that shouldn't take anything away from our performance, because we bossed the game from the moment the first goal went in. A good weekend for us, considering that Bolton lost, and that Spurs and Blackburn play each other tomorrow.

P.S. I'm totally on TV for the second half goals. :cool:

Psychotic

03-04-2006, 08:41 PM

I think we need to start feeding our strikers viagra.

I hope Spurs win at Blackburn tomorrow (although I've a feeling it'll be a draw) as I'd rather see them make the fourth Champion's League spot than anyone else, if only for the benefit of giving some of England's young players some CL experience.

Resha

03-05-2006, 12:50 PM

I'm praying for a 0 - 0 draw tomorrow. That'll still keep the Spurs catchable; I think they'll only be 3 points ahead, then. Neither Spurs nor Blackburn have a thing on our goal difference. :D

(I'll look carefully for you when I see the replays, oh yes I will! :p)

JunotDe

03-06-2006, 09:30 PM

Liverpool are gonna get finished by Benfica

Jess

03-06-2006, 10:05 PM

I hope Liverpool win. :excited:

I'm shocked over what just happened! I was hoping Wigan would beat Man Utd, but didn't think it was likely. I was suprised when Wigan got 1-0 up on Man Utd, but then when the Mancs equalized I wasn't suprised. I thought and was hoping the game would end in a draw, but nooo! Wigan have to go and score an own Goal. Grrrr! :mad2:

Psychotic

03-06-2006, 10:08 PM

Wigan were robbed.

Loony BoB

03-07-2006, 10:44 AM

I don't have the exact quote from the other thread (different forum) I post in about this sort of thing, but Wigan were the better team on the day for sure - but to be fair to them, Manchester United's attacking combination was far too strong for them once they got Ruud in for Park. If the own goal wasn't scored, Van Nistelrooy would have scored off the same ball.

Wigan played really well, Manchester United for the first 60 or so minutes played poorly, especially with that much talent floating around.

I hate that ref, though. He gave out cards like he was hoping both teams wouldn't be able to field a side in the next game. I hear he has more cards than any other ref this season. I'm not surprised.

Psychotic

03-10-2006, 01:15 AM

Not looking forward to Arsenal v Liverpool on Sunday. I think my gunner-taunting will come back to haunt me. They're in fine form, after ripping Fulham to pieces and standing tall against the Galacticos, and we're sadly lacking in form at the moment. As things stand, I'd be happy if we lost as long as Cisse and/or Morientes scored. Hey, I'll just blame injuries ;) (Hyypia, Riise, Sissoko and Zenden) At least Agger is avaliable in the Premiership, unlike the CL, so we won't be seeing Traore.

Rafa, get Defoe/Bent, and then maybe Yakubu/Kuyt. Or at least bring back Pongolle and Mellor. THX!

03-10-2006, 11:09 AM

Rafa, get Defoe/Bent, and then maybe Yakubu/Kuyt. Or at least bring back Pongolle and Mellor. THX!

I'd like to see Torres up front along with Defoe. Not gonna happen, but we definitely need some decent fire power upfront. I've had enough of Morientes and Cisse. They've had the chances to score this season and havn't done the job. Time to ship 'em out.

As for the game with Arsenal, I reakon it'll either be a 0-0 or a score draw. (A very low scoring score draw at that.) Liverpool won't give Arsenal the space they enjoyed against Real or Fulham, and Arsenal are playing alot better than they were a few games ago, so it's gonna be a tight game.

tomamar04

03-10-2006, 12:32 PM

Champions League draw is in:

ARSENAL v Juventus

Lyon v AC Milan

Inter Milan or Ajax v Villarreal

Benfica v Barcelona

Shoden

03-10-2006, 04:07 PM

The Man U vs Newcastle match is going to be a good game to see, Newcastle are so dar unstoppable under Roeder's rein and Manchester United are just terribly excellent anyway. The Liverpool vs Newcastle Match on the 18th will also be a good match to see.

Psychotic

03-10-2006, 10:53 PM

Juventus in the Quarter Finals, eh? Arsenal truly are this season's Liverpool!

Resha

03-11-2006, 02:38 PM

They have to be, or else...

I didn't watch the MU-Wigan game (on too late), but the Blackburn-Spurs game was beautiful and thrilling. Bellamy was a god and I thought Blackburn should've definitely drawn with Spurs. That third goal from them was so frustrating.

Bart's Friend Milhouse

03-11-2006, 02:43 PM

Can anyone produce a list of young up and coming players who they think will acheive the mega-star status (eg like Ronaldinho did). Thanks in advance (a list of 10 from everyone here will do nicely)

Resha

03-11-2006, 03:02 PM

1. Cesc Fabregas. This man is a GOD.
2. Wayne Rooney -- to be honest, I'm not sure if he hasn't already achieved such a status, but...yeah kay.

Well, I can't think right now. I'll add to this later. But Fabregas.

Oh!

3. Sebastian Larsson. I think he's great.

Psychotic

03-11-2006, 11:07 PM

Sebastian Larsson xD

There is only one person on the same level as Ronaldinho, and that's Ronaldinho. I can't really name 10 that will achieve that because only one or two, if any, will.

Wayne Rooney, Lionel Messi and Robinho are your current best bets, though.

Resha

03-12-2006, 10:56 AM

What's so xD about him?! :mad2: I think he's great.

Maybe saying mega-star status is a bit excessive for anyone, because I can't be sure. But let's just say I think everyone on my list is really brilliant, and they'll reach a pretty high level. If not World Player of the Year.

03-12-2006, 11:06 AM

Freddy Adu. At least, until he signs for Chelsea and is set upon by a thousand rabid dogs sent by Jesus and the Buddha (five hundred each, in case you were wondering).

But yeah, Cesc, Rooney and Messi are looking like the next wave of megastars. Any number of players could suddenly find their form though. After all, who would've predicted Thierry Henry would become such a dominant force, during his time at Juventus? Who knows, maybe we'll all be worshipping Leon Osman in a few years' time? :p

P.S. We've got no chance today. The laws of this season state that in the last minute of the game, Robbie Fowler will score from an offside position, look around for the linesman's flag, only to see that the goal has been given. Psy will then send me a gloating PM and I will be forced to send him a giant picture of Rafa Benitez wearing an MSPaint moustache. That same day, Ashley Cole will, in a fit of madness, attempt to wrestle a bear, breaking every bone in his body and putting him out of action for the next six years.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 02:37 PM

We'll dominate the game, not score any, Morientes will miss an open goal from 3 yards out, Robbie Fowler will score six goals but all of them will be offside, and then Hleb or then someone else that I hate for no reason (Actually I hate Hleb because his stats are as good as Ronaldinho's on PES5. Yes, I enjoyed editing them down. :)) will score from a set-piece in the 104th minute. (14 minutes of stoppage time were added because Kewell mistook Pascal Cygan's face for a mirror, and ran around the Highbury pitch screaming his head off because his precious silly hair had gone, interrupting play)

PAUL ANDERSON WILL BE THE NEXT BIG THING!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS:

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Henry: How can anyone's arse be so FAT?!

I am the next Baddiel and Skinner. Yes, both of them simultaneously. All I need to do now is insult Jimmy Greaves.

Shoden

03-12-2006, 03:30 PM

It's a good damn thing I have the internets in this hole of mine.
How come Arsenal rarely side an English player on their team? It's an English football team with no English players.

Jess

03-12-2006, 03:43 PM

I just have to declare this: I hate Wayne Rooney! :mad2:

However, Shay Given is still Europes number #1! He did really well today, stopping some really good shots. Another year where we haven't beaten Man Utd at Old Trafford. The last time we beat them there was in 1972.

We need to beat Liverpool next week or it's going to be real hard for us to push back into the top 10. I like Liverpool, but Newcastle need to win it. :)

EDIT: I demand the return of Owen right this instant. :grinpink:

Shoden

03-12-2006, 03:49 PM

He'll be back for the Chelsea match, I hope the next manager can toughen the team up, Roeder has just repaired the team but the defence in the team sucks.

You see we have the chuckle brothers, Babayaro, who's too busy baby sitting Titus Bramble the clueless ape and Boumsong who was once an acceptable player and nowhere near worth the money spent on him. Sell Boumson and Bramble to Birmingham or a championship team and buy back Woodgate and there you go, solid defending.

I laughed when Rooney missed the chance of the match in the 2nd half when he was being chased by Parker given went out of his goal and missed and Rooney took a shot and it deflected, how dumb can you get? I still think he's become a spoilt brat at Man U though, he should be in Spain or at Arsenal or Everton, I just hope Chelsea buy him.

Jess

03-12-2006, 04:02 PM

That's the way it's always been for Newcastle, though. It never changes. Sure, we have some great top of the line strikers and midfielders and we pretty much always have. However, our defence has always been terrible.

We've never really had too much trouble getting the goals in, its just preventing the other teams from scoring that's the problem.

I don't think finding a replacement for Shearer is what we need to worry about, its about getting a good defence. If we get some good defence to go along with our great goalie, we'll do fine. :spin:

Shoden

03-12-2006, 04:04 PM

If we get snow next week we'll win by miles plus the advantage we're at home and the weather lately has been wintery.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 04:33 PM

It's a good damn thing I have the internets in this hole of mine.
How come Arsenal rarely side an English player on their team? It's an English football team with no English players.They're currently beating a team with 4 Englishmen in their starting XI, so that's probably why. :(

And Bladen, do you really think it's never snowed in Liverpool? :laugh:

Jess

03-12-2006, 04:36 PM

Honestly, one nil down to Arsenal?

Liverpool can do better! :rolleyes2

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 04:41 PM

IT'S BECAUSE ARSENAL ARE FOREIGNERS!!!! THEY'RE FOREIGNISING IN OUR FACES WITH THEIR STUPID SPELLINGS OF THE NAME ALEXANDER! (Aleksander? Alexandre? wtf, Arsenal, wtf)

I like how nobody gave a crap about Arsenal being as English as Adolf Hitler until they started winning again. Then all the big names like Alan Pardew, Sam Allardyce (pot kettle black) and Bladen decide to slag them off. The idea is to slag them off when they're crap, guys.

Jess

03-12-2006, 04:45 PM

It's also because Arsenal isn't even a place.

I will continue to like Liverpool so long as they don't steal Owen back off us. :(

Shoden

03-12-2006, 05:06 PM

Up here it snows alot more heavier and Newcastle is nearer to a coast which brings in more wind and cold in this season.
Newcastle have a couple of Foreign players but some of them suck, Boumsong, Bramble. Solano and Emre are saints, I'm surprised Solano isn't a big target for Spain. Arsenal should be "le Arsenale" if they keep fielding frogs. Owen has 2 more sesons on his contract though.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 05:20 PM

Newcastle is not nearer to the coast than Liverpool. Liverpool is a port.

Solano isn't a big target for Spain because he's Peruvian.

Owen has a £12m release clause.

EDIT: UGH. The sending off for Alonso is utter bull<img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">. He just slipped. And oh goody goody, Arsenal have scored again. 2-1. Excellent, now I can hide behind Alonso's sending off just like Jose Mourinho would. :)

Shoden

03-12-2006, 05:49 PM

Maybe so but they get off lucky because all the bad crap comes from the North Sea, it's not fair because I live near the mouth of the Tyne at South Shields and when it snows and gales it really does it, you just have to hope for normal English weather next week. St James's Park is barely in Newcastle, right on the edge though. Don't ask me how I know it, I just have too much spare time. Those guys down there get slightly less cold climate for some reason, sometimes it's unfair. I remember a couple years back when we got 4 inches of snow after gales pushed scottish snow down here, my poor house. Since when do Liverpool have 12M to spare to flash around like they just don't know it? they're a better team than some teams in the premiership but tey have their money problems like many others.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 05:57 PM

Shoden

03-12-2006, 06:12 PM

Sure they have the money, I know that but they had it at the start of the season, they don't have it to flash around the chairman, like many spends it all on booze, parties and stuff like that (maybe true), Liverpool are rich but they're also too fast for their own good, what I don't understand is the reason they didn't spend the money on Owen when they had the chance, I reckon Liverpool should stop chasing Owen and focus on raising their current players. Rich teams don't spend all that money on players and stadiums now do they? Sunderland ended up as they are because of the stadium of light being too expensive and stuff.

If more money was given to the manager they would have a few more world class players now wouldn't they?
The thing with Liverpool is they're mostly English (which is a good thing) but too Hesitant, you hear that!? keep away from Owen, you'll get him back in a few years!

You know that we're wasting enough time exchanging "info'", you should get back to the other teams (before I end up hating you more, you evil person you!) How come Football is all about money now and not the actual sport and soul of the game? so many foreign players on teams dominating the tables, it's sad.

Have you ever been to Middlesbrough's riverside stadium? now that place isn't very nice, sure the smoggies are good but why do you think they're called smoggies?

Resha

03-12-2006, 06:19 PM

Yes, poor dear alan pardew shrieks about arsenal being all foreigners and all he gets is a 4 - 1 to Bolton. :) GOOD. I hate him.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 06:20 PM

I don't think we blew millions on booze and parties :laugh: ...then again, it'd explain why our strikers suck. To be honest, I'd be happier if we got Bent or Defoe than Owen, especially as Owen abandoned the club for glory at Real. (Oh boy does he ever have egg on his face?)

Anyway, 'boro. Apparently they have the worst attendance in the league. Or is that Man City? Ah well.

On Alan Pardew: He believes his four strikers, Dean Ashton, Bobby Zamora, Marlon Harewood and Teddy Sheringham, will get into the England squad. Or at least one of them will, anyway. Bless him. (James Beattie is more likely than any of those, and that's saying something!)

Resha

03-12-2006, 06:26 PM

Liverpool have lost 2 - 0 to Benfica midweek. Liverpool have a goal-scoring problem. Crouch hasn't scored in the League since the 31st (I purposely miss the month out because I'm not sure if it's January or December). Cisse isn't a natural scorer. Why the hell is Benitez benching Morientes? Or Fowler? Or Kewell? If anyone can save Liverpool it's Fowler. You saw them mid-week, Rob; they just could NOT score against Benfica.

Oh, them lovely people. :love:

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 06:29 PM

Anyone who criticises Peter Crouch is an idiot. His job isn't to score. "OMG HE'S A STRIKER HE'S SUPPOSED TO SCORE!" Yeah, he has scored thanks. Several times, in fact. However, it's not his primary role. His primary role is target man. Anyway, If Cisse and Morientes were the players they were two years ago (the player who "isn't a natural scorer" got 40 goals in a season, the other single-handedly drove Monaco to the Champion's League final) we'd be above Chelski. But they're not and we're not.

And I bet when we sell them they become awesome again.

Resha

03-12-2006, 06:31 PM

Hey, don't blame ME. That's what they said on TV. :) The pundits. Someone Redknapp, even. Former Liverpool player.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 06:36 PM

Jamie "Darren Anderton #2" Redknapp is as intelligent as his father.

I wasn't blaming you. Congratulations on winning, by the way. Same goes to Mobiletype. But not Cz. He's going to rub it in my face, and he'll feel guilty about it if I congratulate him beforehand. I'm so thoughtful.

Shoden

03-12-2006, 06:52 PM

I went to Middlesbrough a few times, the streets wreak of sewage and it's full of smog.
Crouch is my personal favourite at Liverpool, a job as a striker isn't goal scoring souley, sometimes midfielders score and you get rares like Degfenders and even goalkeepers scoring. I'll be glad to see Shearer leave at the end of the season, the man has scored alot of amazing goals he's beaten Milburn's record, what next? I'm gonna get a ticket to his testemonial against Celtic.

Jess

03-12-2006, 07:45 PM

Since when? Since we won the Champion's League. I know you're a Newcastle fan so you don't understand such things, but when you win trophies, you also win money! And the better the tournament, the more money you win!

That and Liverpool having the third highest income of British clubs last year. :)

You make me want to eat my own head, Psy. :mad2:

Don't do it, Owen! :( (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=370436&CPID=8&clid=&lid=&title=Gerrard+urges+Owen+rethink)

EDIT: Haha, M'boro are have terrible support. I wouldn't mind Darren Bent being Shearers replacement either - he is a great player and belongs at a bigger club than Charlton. :laugh:

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 07:49 PM

Take pics, Jess, it sounds hot. :jokey:

Don't do it unless we can get Bent/Defoe/Yakubu/Kuyt/Torres, Owen!

Jess

03-12-2006, 07:53 PM

If I have anything to do with it we will have Bent and Owen!

...wait. :(

You're welcome to Marcus Bent, though.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 07:59 PM

Liverpool or Newcastle is a really hard decision to make. :roll:

Jess

03-12-2006, 08:06 PM

Liverpool or Newcastle is a really hard decision to make. :roll:
Quiet you. :mad2:

We've had a bad couple of years, that's all. :weep:

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 08:10 PM

Try couple of bad decades. ;)

In fact, try a couple of a couple of bad decades. :love:

Shoden

03-12-2006, 08:18 PM

about 10 years ago we were hammering teams like Man U 5-0 and Shearer was fresh, back then football was about the sport not money, back then Chelsea sucked and Newcastle was a top 3 team, that all stopped about 2 years ago.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 08:23 PM

And what do you have to show for it in the way of nice shiny trophies?

Shoden

03-12-2006, 08:25 PM

You don't need a trophy to show you can kick ass but it would be a nice addition, premiership trophy for kicking most ass, premiership trophy for being in the premiership, premiership trophy for making this post.

Burtsplurt

03-12-2006, 09:25 PM

When we moved from Ayresome Park to the Riverside, the Riverside was supposed to be the catalyst for all that area by the river to be redeveloped. Unfortunately, naff all happened, and it's still just a stadium in a wasteland.

I don't think we have the worst attendance in the league. :confused:

8 English players took part in the match for Boro today. (But we lost! There is a moral there somewhere: don't lose.)

Edit: just checked. Our attendance is 12th out of 20. Man City are 4th best!

Jess

03-12-2006, 09:25 PM

Thanks for pointing that out, Bladen.

We used to totally kick ass! The matches such as the 5-0 hammering of Man Utd. The 7-0 (I think?) beating of Sheffield Wednesday when Shearer scored 5. The 9-2 against Liverpool. Good days.

We may have not won a trophy in a long time, but we've played some pretty god damn good football.

Edit: I want to see this attendance. Link please?

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 09:31 PM

When the hell did Newcastle ever beat Liverpool 9-2? Was it in the 1920's or something?

Burtsplurt

03-12-2006, 09:33 PM

http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

It's down the bottom. The top bit shows the percentage of the stadium filled.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 09:38 PM

I think the top table is in order of percentage, and the bottom in order of maximum capacity.

EDIT: I looked up the 9-2 v Liverpool. I wasn't far out. The 1930's. I don't know how you can say "good days" about that, as none of us were even born. Heck, our parents weren't born either. And I've never claimed pre-war Newcastle were crap. :p

Jess

03-12-2006, 10:54 PM

THE POINT IS WE WERE STILL GOOD. That is all that counts. And it would be nice to be that good again, so I could witness it! Even though it will never happen. Unless we become extremely rich, or something. :(

EDIT: Dude, I was alive then. Didn't I ever tell you that I'm 79? :laugh:

EDIT 2: It's nice to see we're in the top 3 in something!

"Average Attendance Rankings
Team Pld Total Highest Average Capacity Pct
1 Manchester United (2) 13 881972 67972 67844 68174 99.5%
2 Newcastle United (12) 14 727123 52327 51937 52218 99.4%
3 Liverpool (3) 15 664602 44983 44307 45362 97.6%" :laugh:

Shoden

03-12-2006, 10:57 PM

Jess

03-12-2006, 11:06 PM

Build a Time machine, these days the sport is all about the money with money whoring chairmens pulling the strings of helpless managers to rake in more money for booze and drugs.

Newcastle were a top 5 team till 2 years ago.
Football for me is supporting Newcastle no matter what. However, I wouldn't complain if we came across lots of money too. I'll be happy as pie if we can get back into the top 5 next season.

Funnily enough, I just had the "Newcastle were a top 5 team until 2 years ago" conversation with somebody else. I'll never forgive Souness. :mad2:

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 11:09 PM

We were a top 1 team until Souness came along. :(

Top 6 was the target for Newcastle this year, (I think Shepherd set it) and I don't think it'd be an unreasonable one for next year, considering the likes of Chelski, Liverpool, Man United, Spurs, Arsenal, Bolton, Blackburn, etc.

Shoden

03-12-2006, 11:11 PM

We should get together and "send away" Souness, he had a heart attack on the pitch once didn't he? One thing's for sure Sunderland are going nowhere, sacking Mick McCarthy was stupid and the chairman should be shot.

Psychotic

03-12-2006, 11:14 PM

I dunno. I know Gerard Houllier once did against Leeds. The fact that Sunderland have just 10 points is more than enough justification to sack Mick McCarthy, in my book.

Jess

03-12-2006, 11:16 PM

I think if we find a good replacement for Shearer, and don't build our whole team up around Owen so that the team don't tumble down when he gets another injury. (Oh come on, he clearly will!) And let's not forget to shoot Boumsoung, Ramage and Bramble and get some decent defence.

I think top 5 will be easy - depending on who our new manager is. :spin: I hope Liverpool get second in the table this season, just because of my pure hatred for the red devils. :mad2:

EDIT: lol sunderland. What a disgrace to the north east of England.

Cuchulainn

03-12-2006, 11:35 PM

I think top 5 will be easy - depending on who our new manager is. :spin: I hope Liverpool get second in the table this season, just because of my pure hatred for the red devils. :mad2:.

You're off my Christmas list.

The match today was one sided. I am totally amazed how we disn't win by a bigger margin. We still need one midfielder, but we are getting there now.

Chelsea have luck on their side. They aren't entertaining anymore. They are scarpping wins by the odd goal & if that luck runs out, last minute wins & dodgy decisions will disappear along with their stranglehold on the premiership. It's theirs this season, but next, I'm not so sure.

Jess

03-12-2006, 11:50 PM

Dude, you can't take me off your Christmas list. :weep:

The match was one sided, yes. We played appaulingly, except Given. He really was our saviour today. :)

Bart's Friend Milhouse

03-12-2006, 11:56 PM

i reckon we should have goal of the week competition.
I vote for Camara's goal for Wigan

Shoden

03-13-2006, 12:00 AM

Parker, Solano, Emre and Given were the ones who saved the match from a bigger defeat, the 2nd half was equally sided IMO.

03-13-2006, 02:55 PM

The dodgy (yet hilarious) sending off aside, we thoroughly deserved to win yesterday. In the end, justice was done just as it was at Anfield last time our teams met. I'd make a jibe about Stevie's defence-splitting through ball to Henry, but to make fun of a player who is otherwise so totally brilliant would be petty. I have to say that Liverpool didn't look themselves though, and that their exit from Europe may have long-term consequences for the team.

As for Newcastle, losing to United is hardly a disappointment, particularly considering that it hasn't been long since Souness the Destroyer left. Next season, with a good manager under you, you'll be right as rain (which isn't very right at all, come to think of it...oh well).

Resha

03-13-2006, 03:11 PM

Parker, Solano, Emre and Given were the ones who saved the match from a bigger defeat, the 2nd half was equally sided IMO.
It was better than the first half, sure :p but equally sided is such a gross overstatement. The only things that saved you lot then was Given and Saha kicking all his shots wise. I saw plenty of times when he was this close to scoring, and so was Nistelrooy, who had a darn good attempt literally as soon as he came on. But to give you lot some credit, you didn't completely play in pieces the second half, like you gone done in the first. :rolleyes2

Shoden

03-13-2006, 03:54 PM

I still cannot stop laughing at Rooney's missed goal, Given was out the way and goal wide open, *shoots, DEFLECTION!* Parker and Solano were some help so was Emre, everyone else was sleepy.

Loony BoB

03-13-2006, 04:06 PM

Manchester United make a £5m signing! (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2082672,00.html) :D

Shoden

03-13-2006, 04:10 PM

ROFL, what is the bloody point in that?

03-13-2006, 04:10 PM

Manchester United make a £5m signing! (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2082672,00.html) :DHey, he'd make a better purchase than Kleberson.

Psychotic

03-13-2006, 04:50 PM

Here's an interesting philosophical question: Who would you rather have in your team, Kleberson, Eric Djemba-Djemba or Darren Fletcher?

Loony BoB

03-13-2006, 06:31 PM

I don't know the first one, but of the last two it all depends on how good their last game was. If their last game was good, I wouldn't pick them. If it was bad, I would. They're that inconsistent that after a bad game you'd expect them to play well.

Cuchulainn

03-13-2006, 07:45 PM

Here's an interesting philosophical question: Who would you rather have in your team, Kleberson, Eric Djemba-Djemba or Darren Fletcher?

Kleberson isn't actually a bad player, just injuries & wrong team for wrong player syndrome (happened to Viera at Milan & Bergkamp at Internazionale).

I'll give you Djemba-Djemba & Fletch though. Fletch isn't awful he's just not brilliant, a decent professional player who woul;d do well in a lower club.

Djemba...I've no defence.

Psychotic

03-13-2006, 07:48 PM

Fletcher is like Djimi Traore. They try as hard as they can, but they simply don't have the skill. Why is it that skillful players don't give a toss, and crap players do?

03-13-2006, 08:23 PM

At least Darren Fletcher nabbed that goal against Chelsea to put them off their unbeaten run. For that, he shall always have a place in my heart. Besides, as long as they don't play for your team, crap players are pretty entertaining. Diego Forlan is perhaps the only Manchester United player that I haven't wanted to kick in the neck. :D

Resha

03-14-2006, 02:39 PM

Manchester United make a £5m signing! (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2082672,00.html) :D
Is that for real? :p If it is, then good job. The more of Glazer's money they waste the better. :)

Psychotic

03-15-2006, 09:59 PM

5-1 v Fulham, awesome. Not least because Fowler, Crouch and Morientes scored! (And Stephen Warnock, who scored his first goal for us.)

West Ham v Bolton goes to extra time, while Middlesbrough cling on v Roma.

Old Manus

03-15-2006, 10:01 PM

I'm landed because I'm going to the Millenium Stadium to watch Swansea win the LDV Vans Final

...Well it's not like I can afford the FA Cup

Jess

03-15-2006, 10:07 PM

5-1? Wow. Last time I heard it was 2-1.

It's good though because I quite like Liverpool. Except on Sunday when I will dislike them for the day.

I'm watching the West ham vs Bolton match. West ham just scored.

Psychotic

03-15-2006, 10:09 PM

'boro are though, and I think that's the furthest an English team has gone in the UEFA Cup since we won it in 2001.

I guess I want West Ham to beat Bolton, but I'd like it to go to penalties. I love shootouts when I'm a neutral, although during the last one I saw I was definitely not a neutral. (I won't mention THAT match again ;))

03-15-2006, 10:11 PM

Damn. I wish there was an outcome to this match that saw both teams go out. Perhaps an all-out fistfight between Pardew and Sam? Please?

P.S. Oh yeah, last season's FA Cup shootout was awesome. ;)

Burtsplurt

03-15-2006, 10:15 PM

Oh yes! Boro are through. I've just been listening to it on local radio and being super nervous. Talk about clinging on! Thankfully Schwarzer made some top drawer saves.

Boateng and young Cattermole (17 and playing against Roma!) are suspended for the quarter final, though. :(

03-15-2006, 10:20 PM

Well played Middlesbrough. Hope you go all the way. :)

Jess

03-15-2006, 10:38 PM

West ham supporters are indeed blowing bubbles.

It was a good game. :spin:

Shoden

03-16-2006, 05:47 PM

Those bloody smoggies better win, North East pride!... I just had to say that, hehehehe.
My dad used to be a West Ham supporter, I nearly suffocated laughing the day I found out.
My School's head teacher supports DARLINGTON! Christ, so many shocks, it;s like reality TV but without all the cheesy acting and hobos.

Loony BoB

03-16-2006, 07:24 PM

"used to be" - what made him change?

Resha

03-17-2006, 03:18 PM

His son, probably.

Grrr. I wanted a draw. :irked: Dumb own goal -- Jaskelainen is usually a god in his own rights. Middlesbrough have to be the best team ever. xD They lose 7 - 0 to us, then beat Chelsea 3 - 0. :) How can one not love them? I hope they get the UEFa, especially after all those stabbing incidents.

Shoden

03-17-2006, 04:21 PM

All North East teams are like that, they get owned and then own a big team next match, unless it's sunderland. then it's get owned, then owned again and again til you go back down to the deep damp hole from where they came aka the championship.

Jess

03-17-2006, 04:26 PM

Your theory will be tested on Sunday when we play Liverpool, Bladen. :p

Shoden

03-17-2006, 04:32 PM

I've dug another hole for you Jess, incase we lose into hiding we must go! Liverpool are too underestimated but a very vicious team to play, they're very aggressive when attacking, that's there strength but the problem is it can lead to players being sent off if it gets any more violent.

Psychotic

03-17-2006, 11:21 PM

Newcastle fans lecturing people about violence? Have we all forgotten the Bowyer and Dyer comedy act of last season?

Liverpool have only had two sendings off this season, and the FA as good as admitted the second one was a mistake. The only Liverpool player likely to get sent off fairly is the sublime Momo Sissoko, and he's currently injured. Interestingly enough, our mini-slump began as soon as he got injured. Coincidence? Hmm.

Shoden

03-17-2006, 11:30 PM

Not that type of violence, the players tackle extremely rough and hack alot, that's what I'm saying, they could still get the ball even if they were gentler, the problem is they seem to enjoy it, if only I could get away with stuff like that.

Resha

03-18-2006, 10:11 AM

I don't think that Liverpool would foul or play rough unless they were losing -- most teams won't, because they don't need to. That said, I don't think Liverpool will be losing either. :p

Loony BoB

03-18-2006, 01:00 PM

Of course, Liverpool fans could use a few lessons on respect and the like. Chelsea fans haven't been too great either.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 03:02 PM

03-18-2006, 04:23 PM

Liverpool have some big tough players such as Crouch, maybe great footballers but they'd pwn at Rugby too, if Liverpool score it better be him because he deserves a few more goals. Liverpool are bloody tanks man, they tackle hard and charge hard even if they're winning.

I obviously havn't seen the same Peter Crouch you have. A toddler could take out Peter Crouch, he's as soft as ice cream! The only reason he usually gets pulled up for a foul is when the ball's coming into the box, and ref's penalise him because of his height.

I also wouldn't agree that Liverpool are a physical team either. Look at Blackburn for what I would say is a physical side. We close down players and get men behind the ball and defend as a team, but the players don't go flying into tackle's, like your making out.

Look (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/club_stats/default.stm) at the stats on the BBC's site. Only one of our player's has more than 5 yellow cards for the season.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 04:45 PM

Resha

03-18-2006, 05:49 PM

Just because a player avoids a yellow cards doesn't make them clean, Crouch maybe soft but he's a big guy, players struggle against him and if he tries to get the ball of someone even if he's soft his sheer size and long legs can easily get the ball. Yellow cards aren't a measurement of how rough a player can be.
Crouch is not rough; he's such a nice, good-tempered guy. Like NM said, it's his height that gets him into trouble during free-kicks and corners and the like. If you're speaking stats-wise, too, Newcastle have one more red card than Liverpool do, and I shouldn't even consider Reina a red-card.

Great game against Charlton. :D Hleb was uber-god, and it was great to see RvP back again. Now if only Tottenham lose....joy...

Shoden

03-18-2006, 05:56 PM

It's his size that can be used against him too, it;s also a disadvantageas a small lunge for a ball to him could be terrible if it fails, But Jermaine Jenas isn't even in Newcastle anymore!!! Crouch wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally but like I said when he gets rough it aint intentional to him but referees these days are paid so much by managers they foul the opposite team even if the other guy trips, yellow and red cards aren't a measuring of aggression. One thing I would like to see, Bellamy vs Rooney, that's very, very rough. Bowyer just thinks he;s cool because he played for Leeds once.

Resha

03-18-2006, 06:21 PM

If he gets rough, and the referees mistake his actions for a foul, then why would it matter to you? :p I think Bellamy would come out on tops over Rooney; he's more consistent (especially of late). Rooney's got good internationals, and he had a good Newcastle match -- but it was made easy for him at Newcastle! Bellamy's been playing brilliantly, match after match.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 06:24 PM

Glenn should bring him back if he knows what's good for the team, I'm sure he'd be forgiven, well Souness old the people who questioned him or knew he sucked.
The thing is Crouch maybe a bit rough but players like Gerrard are extremely physical when attacking someone who has the ball, I remember earlier in the season around September time he alone smashed a few opposing players, if the refs knew not to take bribes then we'd have fair games. You're right Bellamy could rip Rooney apart.

BTW: Ruud Van Nistelroy killed the Feedback forum.

03-18-2006, 06:33 PM

Can't wait to see the highlights of West Ham - Portsmouth tonight. :D

Resha

03-18-2006, 06:38 PM

I reckon you're being rather harsh on refs, Bald-en.

Souness was an idiot to let him go; but we've established that long ago. Now, Newcastle should really get rid of Freddie Shepherd -- he's unpleasant and seemingly incapable of getting a manager that stays in. Then Shearer -- HORRIBLE. Let him GO.

Edit: I laugh at Pardew. I gloat at him. :laugh:

Shoden

03-18-2006, 06:49 PM

But Shearer has scored so many goals and has some left in him, he's a hero here and local, your precious Henry is foreign and foreign players spoil the sport.

The problem is who can get rid of fat freddy?

Resha

03-18-2006, 07:00 PM

FOREIGN PLaYERS SPOIL THE SPORT??!?!?! You invoke my wrath, Bald-en.

Henry is one of the most brilliant players in the EPL ever, and let's face it -- without foreign players I don't think there'd be much of an interesting sport! :p The top two scorers in the League, may I remind, are both 'foreign'? (Henry and Horse) People ENJOY watching Henry. Shearer has scored many goals -- in the past. Time's up, now. He's not even in the top 15 scorers of the League at the moment.

Someone needs to. Desperately. Maybe the Queen could...?

Shoden

03-18-2006, 07:07 PM

03-18-2006, 07:20 PM

No club should be obliged to buy players on the basis of their nationality. If English players good enough for the Arsenal team come along, then fine. But if not, I see no reason for us to compromise our squad for the sake of supposed national loyalty. Yes, this is the English Premier League, but Arsenal is a football club first and a member of the League second. Besides, by that logic, there would be no problem with us fielding an all-european side in the European Champions League, which was Pardew's initial complaint anyway.

To best demonstrate the difference that foreign players make to our game, I direct you to our match against Charlton this afternoon. Watch the way that the two teams play, and you'll notice that Arsenal's football is not only far more attractive, but more effective than that of Charlton. I'm not saying that English players are incapable of playing this sort of football, but they have to be of a certain standard, and very few actually reach this level. Not to mention that English players are far more expensive than their foreign counterparts. Why buy an English player when you can get a superior Frenchman for the same price?

So yeah. Alan Pardew is a jerk.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 07:30 PM

Resha

03-18-2006, 07:34 PM

But the Alan Shearer in the past has scored more extraordinary goals within the last 4 seasons. I found this AMV with his top 10 throughout his NUFC career, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0SLWl_4RSc&search=Alan%20Shearer .
Come on Resha, Arsenal is almost all French, hardly any English players in their starting 11 these days, Speaking of which Chelsea are bad for this too, This the EPL not the World Premier League.
Balden! :nonono:

It's an international sport. If everyone played with an English-only English-majority it just wouldn't be the same. Patriotism is all very well when it comes to the WC or something, but why so much in a domestic League? When foreign players are willing to come and play with their heart and soul for an English club, shouldn't it be admired? I admire the way Bergkamp loves arsenal so much he stays on to play even though he's retired from international football. Do you think his love for arsenal is less than Sol Campbell's, then?

What difference would it make to a MU or a Liverpool fan if the Gunners won the CL with a team full of English players? They'd still find a reason to rip us. :p Heck, what difference would it make to an arsenal fan if we won the CL with or without a team full of English players? I don't think anyone would be less ecstatic either way.

In fact, welcome this as a chance to learn. If everyone played all-English or all-Spanish, then players wouldn't get a chance to interact and learn new styles and stuff they wouldn't otherwise know. Our having so many non-English players HELPS England. They can watch and learn! (Oh yes, argue y'don't need to -- but why not? Everything helps.)

It's annoyed me so much when people make the "so un-English" comment. I have vented my spleen! :D

03-18-2006, 07:39 PM

If that's the case wwe should have foreign players in the England squad! Sure foreign players are ok but when they make up a whole team then it spoils it, there should be a limit for how many foreign players a team can have.Heh, that brings back memories of this old Football Management game for the PC, with this glitch that allowed you to select any player from an English club for your English side. This one time, Andrei Kanchelskis scored a hat-trick against Germany in the World Cup semi-final. :D

Anyway, UEFA is going to implement a system over coming seasons that requires clubs to enter a certain number of domestic players for European matches. This completely screws over English clubs, who are far more reliant than other nations (like, say, the Italians) on foreign talent. Talk all you want about how Arsenal and Chelsea are overloaded with foreigners, but the fact is that without those players neither of them would've got past the group stage of the Champions' League.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 07:42 PM

I'm saying that there should be a LIMIT to foreign players, sure they want to come play but a limit in the starting 11 could make things more interesting but people like Bergkamp are rare, alot of foreign players only play for money like Rudd Van Nistelroy for example. It's either put a limit on quantity or put a limit on wages and I think we'd have a much, much better EPL, but then again we may have teams like Peterbrough in EPL top 5 for all we know, but then again unpredictable results are interesting.

Good point BM, but then again teams would be making their star English players do manual labour till they're good enough for UEFA tournaments.

Resha

03-18-2006, 07:53 PM

I bet unpredictable results are interesting :p Newcastle may still beat Liverpool.

Pardew wants us to have at least two or three home players starting? Is Henry replaceable by an Englishman? :p He might be, but then that'd be ripping the soul out of football. Not letting talent play because of nationality -- and people are making this sound like it's some sort of mini-World Cup. It's a domestic League, for god's sake. Nationalities shouldn't even matter, if we take it literally -- it's a game between arsenal and Liverpool. Not between France and England. In our defence, I'll just spew the same old: we do have the said 'two or three English players' -- Cole and Campbell are just injured, that's all.

You just ask Michael Owen why he left his brilliant English team to go play with the Spaniards. Or Beckham. Why anyone does it.

Loony BoB

03-18-2006, 07:59 PM

Van Nistelrooy only plays for money? I'm sorry, last time I checked he plays because he wants to play, hence the whole uproar about him not starting in the last three games. Don't go around saying things unless you know it's true. That always bugs me. That would be like me saying that Lampard or Henry only plays for money - why would I unless I knew it were true? They both enjoy scoring goals more than anything, last I checked. Yes, money is involved, but you show me a superstar who would rather play for their home side for £30,000 a year than play for a major side for millions.

I do have a problem with Arsenal having such an overload of foreign players - not because it's an excuse to rip at them but because it defeats the purpose of being an English club. Why not move every one of them to France if they're not going to field any English players at all in their starting XI? Seriously, there is a point to it being the English Premiership. Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool all manage just find to field a lot of English players, let alone Tottenham and co, and they can do well. If Arsenal wants to spend big bucks, tell them to spend big bucks on English players.

I agree that a limit would be nice. 3-4 English players in every starting lineup would work. Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool would all be fine. Arsenal would have, what two players (when they are in full health) they could field? Cole and Campbell is all they have, I think.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 07:59 PM

Loony BoB

03-18-2006, 08:07 PM

I can answe that. Money, these foreign players are moving in and out for money, hardly any of them are in it for the soul of football.

Talent can still play and you can cheat the rule, substitutions, there should be a limit to around 4 or 5 players foreign max on a team, but here's one, if wages for footballers were reduced and put into a system such as Rugby's then I think less players would want to come here.
And if rugby was increased to the likes of football then you'd have rugby players over here. Goes both ways. *shrugs* You targeted Van Nistelrooy unfairly, though, as if he was the one, when it's clear that English players and others all do the same thing - look at Owen for a good example.

Once you come down to it, the wages for footballers is a global thing, not an English thing. England just happen to have one of the two most prominent leagues in the world, so they tend to have more money to spend. English players are just as likely to travel to a club that isn't their own as any other player in the world is. It's great for football in that it means that you get to see more talent-filled games. The key is finding a balance, hence I think 3-4 in each starting lineup should do the trick.

Shoden

03-18-2006, 08:10 PM

Probably, but I was using Ruud as an example, alot of people up here believe he's out for the money, glory seekers like Owen and Beckham are leeching off money, that's why Chelsea have so many good players
overpricing and giving hyped wages.

But still, who can buy out Fat Freddy, he owns the club, sadly.

Resha

03-19-2006, 01:05 PM

I do have a problem with Arsenal having such an overload of foreign players - not because it's an excuse to rip at them but because it defeats the purpose of being an English club. Why not move every one of them to France if they're not going to field any English players at all in their starting XI? Seriously, there is a point to it being the English Premiership. Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool all manage just find to field a lot of English players, let alone Tottenham and co, and they can do well. If Arsenal wants to spend big bucks, tell them to spend big bucks on English players.

I agree that a limit would be nice. 3-4 English players in every starting lineup would work. Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool would all be fine. Arsenal would have, what two players (when they are in full health) they could field? Cole and Campbell is all they have, I think.
I'm sure Wenger would spend big bucks on English players; but think about this: we're competing against the likes of Chelsea and MU and Liverpool. We need a team capable of giving them competition and something to worry about. Yes they field English players, and they field world-class English players; they field Gerrard and Neville and Lampard and Rooney. There's also a limit to the number of the said world-class English players that exist. Who's left on the market now that Wenger can rope in? (Not a rhetorical question; if there is someone, please enlighten me! I want to know!) I don't see why Wenger would want to bring in poor players just because they're English, when he has to compete at such high standards. No, leave that job to Pardew.

There's speculation Wenger might rope Beckham in -- would Beckham want to come and play for former club's bitter rivals? Would he leave Real friggin' Madrid to play for arsenal? If he doesn't, then would it still be Wenger's fault?

'Fat Freddy' seriously needs to go. :p He seems to me the root cause of all the problem at St. James'. What a horrible man.

Cuchulainn

03-19-2006, 02:47 PM

Psychotic

03-19-2006, 02:55 PM

Of course, Liverpool fans could use a few lessons on respect and the like. Chelsea fans haven't been too great either.Liverpool fans are the greatest fans in the world, bar none.

Now, if you're going to drag up things like the assault on Smith's ambulance, that's not the work of fans. That's the work of morons looking for trouble. Same as when Everton played Man Utd. From what I've heard, a bunch of morons, who I would not call Man Utd fans, pulled Everton fans out of their cars and beat the crap out of them for being scousers, whilst the Everton fans' kids watched in the car. Every club has morons associated with them, but I would never call them fans.

NOW ONTO ARSENAL AND ENGLISH!

Are you seriously telling me there's no English defenders as good as, or better than, Pascal Cygan? There are no English midfielders better than Song or Flamini? And don't give me the "THEY COST TOO MUCH!" line. Raise them in your academy, like we did with Carragher, Gerrard, Fowler, Mellor and Warnock, and you can get them free. ;) Or get them from lower league clubs. Carson and Anderson are good examples of this. (Anderson is only 17, and was an unused sub against Benfica. I can't wait for his full team debut)

Having said that, if there's a limit to foreign players, this seriously screws over countries with poor quality leagues. Like, for example, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, and failing that, Africa. How good would Toure and Drogba be if they played only in the Ivorian league, or Sissoko and Traore (I daren't think) if they played only in the Mali league?

However, personally, I am in favour of 4 or perhaps 5 English/whatever players per side.

Shoden

03-19-2006, 04:41 PM

I watched the match, and my theory was right to my surprise, they were disgusting, I thought Bowyer was bad but jesus christ those boys in red are seriosuly bad at tackling, so many fouls, so many kicking, I still think it should of been 3-2 to you's though, The next manager needs to buy back Jonny Woodgate and another defender because boumson is as useless as a spyware loaded computer with no removal software.

Psychotic

03-19-2006, 04:52 PM

How come Newcastle got one player sent off and just as many bookings as Liverpool (I don't count Cisse's, because that was for showing a message on a t-shirt, not for a foul) if Liverpool are much dirtier?

I'm very intrigued by our formation. 3-5-2, or 5-3-2, depends on if you count wing-backs as defenders. No, wing-backs aren't the same as full-backs (left-backs/right-backs), basically they're more attacking than full-backs but more defensive than wingers. 3-5-2 never usually works against good opposition, and I hope Rafa doesn't use it again. Glad that Cisse and Crouch both netted again too, now Crouch has scored in both Newcastle games. It's a good result, especially when we didn't start with some of our most creative players like Finnan, Alonso and Garcia.

And now we have more points than we did last season (61 to 58) with 7 games remaining, so it's been a vastly improved season.

Shoden

03-19-2006, 04:55 PM

I enjoyed the match though I was screaming "kick the bitch dammit!" Liverpool should take part in a new karate/kung-fu movie!

Psychotic

03-19-2006, 05:02 PM

Fouls (Conceded)
Newcastle: 21
Liverpool: 18

Okay, is that enough for you?

And referees usually tend to be biased in favour of the home team, before you say he was biased against you. The stats don't lie.

Shoden

03-19-2006, 05:05 PM

That can;t be right you missed out the 79 did by Cisse, Kieron Dyer and Emre were knocked down alot more times then the others and don't seem right.

Psychotic

03-19-2006, 06:02 PM

Fulham have beat Chelski. Looks like teams are figuring out how to beat them. Next season's title race will hopefully be more open.

Shoden

03-19-2006, 06:07 PM

Next season is going to kickass! Who knows who'll win but I hope it's Liverpool, even though my respect for them is low from today's match they deserve it more then the other teams in the race, Newcastle should aim for a UEFA cup place.

03-19-2006, 07:32 PM

Bladen, you do realise football is a contact sport don't you?

From what I heard on the radio the Newcastle players where giving as well as they got, more so in fact. Especially Shearer, who is a persistant fouler, backing into defenders.

I'd like to know where your proof is to back up your claims. From the match stats, your team commited more fouls, and had a player sent off! So please explain to me how Liverpool are, and i'm going to use your words here! "Disgusting." & "Seriously bad at tackling."

And as a little extra. Here's some stats from Sky Sports web site.

Team/Fouls/League Rank

Liverpool (http://home.skysports.com/optastats.asp?clid=14&clubname=Liverpool&cpid=8)/363/20
Newcastle (http://home.skysports.com/optastats.asp?clid=4&clubname=Newcastle+United&cpid=8)/497/1

Going by those stats, Newcastle have commited more fouls in the league than any other club and Liverpool the least.

So please. Tell me how Liverpool are a dirty team?

Jess

03-19-2006, 07:45 PM

I'm a Toon Army supporter and I can admit that we do play dirty. Todays match was entertaining to say the least - as Newcastle v Liverpool matches usually prove to be.

Ofcourse I'm not happy with our loss, but Liverpool are the better team out of the two. Boumsong is about as useless as you can get, and in my opinion he was a total waste of money.

I think the way Cisse acted towards the crowd was disgraceful, though and I think he should of been sent off. He is probably the only Liverpool player have absolutely no respect for in the slightest.

Chelsea losing to Fulham is quite amusing. Hopefully we'll be able to do the same come Wednesday and knock them out of the FA cup. :)

Psychotic

03-19-2006, 08:26 PM

What did Cisse do wrong? Newcastle fans booed him and threw stuff at him for lifting his shirt over his head to reveal a t-shirt saying that he loves his kids, and then he gestured to the fans to boo him more. He got a booking, which was punishment enough.

Resha

03-20-2006, 03:33 AM

The Newcastle fans screamed blue murder everytime a Liverpool player so
much as touched a Newcastle player. Give up Balden; Newcastle did play dirtier -- they fouled from the very beginning. Why would Liverpool foul unnecessarily? They had no need to. :p They outplayed Newcastle from the start, and ameoba's goal was pretty darn lucky, imho -- it came from a hole in a formation that otherwise was like a brick wall.

I thought Boumsong was playing pretty well up till the point he let that ball slip past him; Ramage screws up more than him, from what I've seen. Crouch's goal -- the first one -- came from a Ramage mistake, as did Rooney's first goal last week.

I like Fulham and Middlesbrough. Very much. What godly teams.

Jess

03-20-2006, 01:56 PM

Loony BoB

03-20-2006, 02:01 PM

In a dream world, Chelsea would lose four more games and Jose would become a laughing stock as he continues to blame the refs, and the FA would tell him to sod off before they cut his knackers off with a chainsaw. Man U would have an unbeaten rest-of-season and outdo Chelsea by three points, thanks largely to Rooney who would find a very high goal-scoring form just in time for the World Cup. If we're really lucky, Chelsea would lose every game and end up third behind Liverpool, then lose out in the UEFA Champion's League qualifiers.

Oh, in a perfect world...

...but yeah, haha, Chelsea lost, that's all that matters to me. :D

Psychotic

03-20-2006, 02:25 PM

Cisse stood there and taunted the crowd. That's not acceptable as far as I'm concerned. I didn't have a problem with him running around with a t-shirt over his head, but when he stood infront of the fans gesturing "Come on" I thought he shouldn't of done it. If he was closer to the fans they probably would of ripped him apart there and then, all other Liverpool fans that I've talked to yesterday and today agreed with me that he should of been sent off. It's like when Neville gestured things towards the Scouse fans not so long ago - nobody liked that either. :p It was nothing like the Neville thing. Neville ran the entire length of the pitch to the Liverpool fans when Utd scored - undeservedly given the balance of play, may I add - and started, as I think the BBC called it, "sexually pumping". When the Cisse thing occurred, Newcastle fans were already booing Cisse for showing a t-shirt, which, as I said, was about how much he loves his kids. (I'll get a pic if you want!) So, while they were booing him, he told them to do it more. Hey, he didn't know why they were booing him. Maybe he thought they were being racist.

I'm not saying he's in the right, but it's nothing like the Neville thing - which in my opinion, there was nothing wrong with anyway, other than the fact that Neville is a twat :D - and it's certainly not so heinous as to deserve a red card. The crowd were abusing him, so they should be able to take what they dish out imho.

Loony BoB

03-20-2006, 02:43 PM

I don't think either deserve red cards, that's for sure. Still, regardless of what you're doing, if you do it in front of opposition fans then you're doing it in the wrong place. It's not that hard to run to a different area of the pitch.

I don't think that either of them have done much wrong aside from that little mistake of celebrating in front of opposition fans. However, when a player celebrates a goal in front of home-fans and still gets disciplined - a la Ronaldo (even if he did look like he was trying too hard to look awesome) - then I think it's a bit dumb. Let them have their fun when they score goals, it's good for the game.

Psychotic

03-20-2006, 02:47 PM

Loony BoB

03-20-2006, 02:51 PM

Reminds me of when Chelsea's Arjen Robben celebrated his goal earlier in the season against the mighty Sunderland. The guy went ballistic and dived into his own fans. He got booked, but as it was his second yellow card, he got sent off.
See, that's just freaking dumb. Seriously. It's a sport, let them enjoy it. If anything there should be some kind of time limit, but that's about it.

I think it's poetic justice for going crazy about scoring against Sunderland, really.
It's funny 'cause it's true.

Shoden

03-20-2006, 04:12 PM

In football you don't kick players in the back, you don't kick the legs, sure Boumsong imitated his idol Hulk Hogan but he's a useless twat anyway, Liverpool are more like actors in a karate movie then actual footballers, Shearer hardly ever tackled or got the ball, The defenders were <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> and there were jumping kicks all over the place coming from the reds, in my opinion Cisse should of been sent off for pissing off the crowd and sticking his finger up, yes he stuck his middle finger up and did what he did. I do realize fotoball is contact because My god damn fucking knee is fucking hurting, if you're going to be an ass NM then drop out because I aint in the modd for fag debates at all, Liverpool were dirtier then a naked man covered in wet mud.

Resha

03-20-2006, 04:29 PM

... Shearer hardly ever tackled or got the ball...

:rolleyes2 Uhm.

Shoden

03-20-2006, 04:34 PM

That's true Resha, If he did got the ball it would of been him who scored, he was all over the pirch waiting for some motherfucker to pass to him, that's the reason Ameobi is a useless tosser, he cannot keep up with Shearer, if you seen when he actually tried to score Ameobi was 20 seconds behind Shearer, too late to get the ball. Ameobi is one of those on my hit list of doom! Same with Bramble.

03-20-2006, 05:00 PM

Guys, guys, let's not fight! We're missing the issue here, and that issue is HAHA Chelsea. Who cares if some red team won a match against a black and white team that may or may not have kicked them? The fact is that a blue team were shown up by their (relatively) poor neighbours, and that a Portuguese man was hilariously upset about it. Even more juicy is the fact that those same poor neighbours were dominated and soundly defeated by two red teams in previous weeks.

And did anyone else notice how much Chelsea have screwed up SWP's career? I was delighted to see him start, but pulling him off after just twenty minutes shows how little they value his talent. It's blatantly obvious at this point that they only bought him to stop us from getting hold of him (Shaun being a perfect example of an English player who is worthy of pulling on an Arsenal shirt). So yeah, poor SWP. :(

Shoden

03-20-2006, 05:03 PM

We all know Chelsea had it coming and I don't know if there are any Chelsea fans on EoFF.

03-20-2006, 05:05 PM

There weren't any Chelsea fans in my living room either, but that didn't stop me laughing my head off. :D

Psychotic

03-20-2006, 05:07 PM

Yes there are, Bladen. One has posted in this thread.

And I'm just going to ignore all your comments about Liverpool being dirty and Newcastle being saints, as NM has proved you wrong.

Haha Jose! Hopefully Man United can get the double over them.

Shoden

03-20-2006, 05:15 PM

Well at least you're not being a total dick about it Psy, that's good, before this closes notice it's the useless players that are dirty in most teams.

Chelsea are communists!

03-20-2006, 07:29 PM

So i'm a "Fag" & a "Dick" because I proved you wrong!

This is supposed to be a discussion about football. You posted multiple times about Liverpool being a dirty team full of persistant foulers. I replied with proof to the contrary.

Shoden

03-20-2006, 07:33 PM

You only replied with bull<img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">, simple as, end of story, bull<img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">ters are both of those.

I reckon Chelsea will lose the final of the FA cup.

Jess

03-20-2006, 08:03 PM

NEWCASTLE ARE DIRTY BASTARDS. We all know it, and you all love it. :cool:

Yes, yes and about Chelsea. HeeHee Har Har! :grinpink:

West Ham vs Man City - who is going to win it? I'd say West Ham but its at Manchester Stadium so I'm tempted to go with them.

Shoden

03-20-2006, 09:40 PM

Maybe but I blame Souness and communism!

West Ham should win, me dad used to support them before he came up here.

Psychotic

03-20-2006, 09:47 PM

Your dad changes team depending on where he lives?

I'd have to change team twice a week!

Clearly now only the Hammers can win. 10 mins to go, (same amount of players City have on the pitch) and 2-0 down, thanks to Dean Ashton. He'll be an England hopeful after the World Cup.

EDIT: Hello, 2-1. Musampa.

Shoden

03-20-2006, 10:12 PM

He supported the Toon army since he was 8, that's 30 years, hey you get shot for supporting the hammers up here! Really! GO HAMMERS GOD DAMMIT, OWN THESE BITCHES! ..

That had to come out....

Resha

03-21-2006, 02:05 PM

And did anyone else notice how much Chelsea have screwed up SWP's career? I was delighted to see him start, but pulling him off after just twenty minutes shows how little they value his talent. It's blatantly obvious at this point that they only bought him to stop us from getting hold of him (Shaun being a perfect example of an English player who is worthy of pulling on an Arsenal shirt). So yeah, poor SWP. :(
Isn't that what Chelsea do best? :D Buying a team full of world-class players and then benching them, letting their talent go to waste?

West Ham, whoa. I'm kinda glad for them even though Pardew :irked: But the first time in fifteen years is something. I wanted MC to win; Manchester City in and United out -- how delightful that would've been.

Loony BoB

03-21-2006, 03:09 PM

If Chelsea put either Lampard or Ballack on the bench then it's going to be too much, though. I think it would be a shame if such a thing were to happen, even if they're the same kind of player.

Psychotic

03-21-2006, 03:14 PM

I think it would be Essien that would make way for Ballack, which is good, because Chelsea don't play as well as they usually do without him, for example, the Barcelona games.

EDIT: (seeing as none of y'all are willing to make an interjecting post)

Liverpool 7
Birmingham City 0.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ouch. That is the joint-highest win I've ever had as a Liverpool fan, equalling the 7-0 against Rochdale in the same competition 10 years ago. What makes it even more extraordinary is that we played a game just two days ago, leaving little time to rest. Hyypia, Crouch (2), Morientes, Riise and Cisse all scoring (and an og from Tebily too).

That's 15 goals in 3 games (average: 5 a match) And people say we're boring and can't score! :p

Loony BoB

03-21-2006, 10:05 PM

I'm oddly amused by how well "Birmingham" almost rhymes with "Nil Seven" and "Liverpool" almost rhymes with "Seven Nil". I see the away fans took advantage of the latter.

EDIT: Should be interesting to see how Birmy's next two games go. What's the record for most goals conceded in three consecutive games?

Kappy

03-21-2006, 10:26 PM

Just shouting out that my team will be promoted to the Premiership on Saturday if we win!

I'm so happy.

Jess

03-22-2006, 07:59 PM

Do us proud, NUFC! :hopeful: :p

Psychotic

03-22-2006, 08:38 PM

Man United, Liverpool, then Chelsea. Not really an enviable group of fixture for the magpies.

And 1-0 down already. (I love having my TV next to my computer!)

Jess

03-22-2006, 10:51 PM

And it remained 1-0. To be honest, I think we deserved a goal - Shame that Shearer aint what he used to be.

The match was very entertaining, and also very dirty (as all Newcastle matches are!) but I am gutted that we lost. Elliott definately did not deserve a red card though. :mad2:

Charlton next game, still a challenge with Darren Bent on hand but other than that a good match considering who we've been playing against for the last three matches. After Charlton they are all pretty much (mainly!) easy games until we reach the final game of the season where we play Chelski again. This time round, at home. :grinpink:

Shoden

03-22-2006, 11:03 PM

That's the thing Chelsea had a home advantage and only 1-0 defeat and 10 men, that's very good, if it was at St James's I reckon it could of been 2-1 maybes, I knew we were going to lose but I knew it was meant to be entertaining but this was a good match.

HowlingMonkey

03-23-2006, 09:19 AM

Damm, that match was far too boring. As soon as Terry scored we just took our foot off the gas pedal completely. So dull, I ended up switching over to the Apprentice at 9.

Resha

03-23-2006, 02:33 PM

I hope Charlton beat Middlesbrough tonight; if the past [Premiership] score is anything to go by, they will do. But then again...3 -- 0 last Saturday. :D If Charlton do win, then probably it'll be a really good game versus Newcastle too.

Oh my gawd it's Juventus on Tuesday :(

Shaun

03-23-2006, 02:44 PM

Pfft, football. :p Why is such a casual interest...interesting in any way? It's just a bunch of people kicking a ball around.

(p.s. Don't flame me! :D)

Resha

03-23-2006, 02:48 PM

Loony BoB

03-23-2006, 02:55 PM

Luckily for the regular posters of this thread, it isn't a thread for the discussion on whether or not you like football.

Jess

03-23-2006, 04:19 PM

I hope Charlton win tonight, too. Marcus Bent won't be playing so that will leave all of the work down to Darren Bent. I'm not too bothered though, as now Newcastle are out I want Liverpool to win the FA Cup.

As for the Charlton v Newcastle game this weekend, Charlton have the advantage of playing at home. We'll still be missing Boumsong (Thank god!) and Elliott due to his unfair send off last night. I'm hoping that upon his return from his visit home, Luque will be put on the pitch for the full 90 minutes and will finally do us proud with a goal. I also have hope for Emre to be playing. I think we may just snatch the win, but it could possibly go the other way with Darren Bent's luck. :grinpink:

Shaun

03-23-2006, 04:23 PM

Pfft, football. :p Why is such a casual interest...interesting in any way? It's just a bunch of people kicking a ball around.

(p.s. Don't flame me! :D)
Oh Shoefly. :rolleyes2

Haven't you ever felt the passion when you're one - nil down and there's seven minutes to go, and your team is in the opposition's half and attacking? Haven't you ever felt like retching when someone equalises when they shouldn't? :( It does funny things to your blood pressure.

Tsk, silly Poojie.

I just don't like the entire feel for football. You live in a nice area, where you can happily discuss things...like football. I, on the other hand, live in a crap working-class environment, where the average football fan is likely to call you a "fucking dickhead". Or they'd call you gay. The irony in that is, that they're watching sweaty men run around a pitch, jumping on each other whenever they score a goal.

That, is why I hate football. Yes, others ruin the experience. Maybe if I live somewhere like where you live, Pooj, I'd enjoy football.

Loony BoB

03-23-2006, 04:28 PM

Shaun

03-23-2006, 04:35 PM

Actually, most football fans aren't like that. If they were, football would probably end up banned. Most UK residents are football fans, and the majority of them don't act like that - you just only notice the downsides. All the people I work alongside support some football team and they're all respectable people. Most of the people I know in the UK are likewise. Just because a person doesn't have their team's emblem plastered over them doesn't make them a non-football fan. Football fans are pretty good on a whole, but there are those that let them down. I'm pretty sure a lot of bad people in all areas of the world are football fans, they just don't go around wearing the shirts as often.

You have a point, I'll give you that. If only you lived in Stockport. You really word understand the sheer horror of the situation. If I lived up in wee Scotland however, I'm sure I'd meet some great football fans. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure there are some nice people who are football fans over here. But as I firstly don't care about football really (whether I'll like it in the future is another matter), and considering that finding them is a rarity, I don't bother looking. Almost daily when I walk home I'm terrorised by little <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">s wearing Stockport County or Manchester United t-shirts. With young people, I believe football can encourage hooliganism in general.

Burtsplurt

03-23-2006, 04:57 PM

I hope Charlton beat Middlesbrough tonight

Boooooo.

I think the Boro stand a good chance. We played well against Charlton the other week and we were unlucky to lose. And that was with 9 changes from the team that played Roma!

Andrew Davies is cup-tied which is a shame. And I hope he plays Morrison on the right rather than Mendieta.

Re: the Newcastle match. I don't know why Newcastle fans talk about replacing Shearer costing a lot of money. You could get a similarly statuesque lump from the lower divisions for less than £100,000. :)

Shaun: I'm from Teesside, which probably isn't too different from Stockport. I find football brings people together more than anything else. It's probably the only thing I have in common with most of the people in my local area.

Resha

03-23-2006, 05:45 PM

Oooh, I got booed. :(

I like 'Boro very much :p But I thought that since you guys were rocking the UEFA, we could let Charlton have the FA? McClaren has been making a ton of changes to his team, and who knows but it might be effective? Likewise, Curbishley's not making too many changes to his team despite Highbury. That could be good or bad. I know Marcus Bent is back in training, but he's definitely not playing 'Boro -- I don't think he'll play the Newcastle game either?

Shoefly, I don't know but it sounds to me as if you're just unlucky enough to live in a place full of unpleasant, chavs and chav-like people who also watch football. It's not very nice being a Gooner in Malaysia either :p They (the 99% Manchester United fandom) still haven't forgive arsenal for jostling their poor ickly Horseface in some tempestuous game a few years ago.

Psychotic

03-24-2006, 11:56 PM

Great, this'll be the 10th time Liverpool have played Chelski in two seasons. Is this a record? Liverpool v Chelski is the new Man United v Arsenal in terms of rivalry, partly due to Messrs. Keane and Vieira's absences. And we've only beaten them once in 9 (3 were draws, 5 were defeats) although the one we won was the one that mattered most, and I wouldn't trade that for 5 domestic wins with a lot of stupid refereeing decisions.

Loony BoB

03-25-2006, 12:37 AM

I'm pretty sure that Chelsea have the "new rivalry" with pretty much every major team around right now, including Liverpool, Barcelona and Man Utd to name a few. If one had to be top of the lot, it would be Barcelona, despite the fact that they rarely play. Rivalries are only really good if either side has a good chance of winning, though. Otherwise they aren't really rivalries so much as angsty feelings. At least Liverpool is in top form right now. If they don't win the FA Cup and Chelsea do, I'm blaming Chelsea's victory as Liverpool's fault for knocking out Man Utd, the team who are most on level with Chelsea. But I've got a soft spot for Liverpool since they're my second team, given my brother-in-law supports them - he does the whole buy the shirt, get the magazines and so on. I'm not allowed to talk to him about any of the games until 48 hours after they're played because he doesn't get to see many straight away now that he's in NZ. :p

Resha

03-25-2006, 01:41 PM

Straight, everyone hates Chelski. :D

OH. The Liverpool - Everton game is brilliant. I'm a neutral party and even I'm enjoying it. Was Gerrard honestly given a yellow card for kicking the ball away?! o_O The first half had red cards, yellow cards, mini-boxing games and an own goal. Wonder what the second half'll have. I feel a bit sorry for Everton because they were playing better, imho, but that corner kick in was really a beauty. I guess the important thing now is for Everton to keep playing like they have been playing...which is easier said than done. Cahill is playing so wonderfully :love:

Edit: :( The arsenal game is off.

Edit 2: Back on!

Edit 3: I GIVE UP.

Psychotic

03-25-2006, 08:57 PM

I'm pretty sure that Chelsea have the "new rivalry" with pretty much every major team around right now, including Liverpool, Barcelona and Man Utd to name a few. If one had to be top of the lot, it would be Barcelona, despite the fact that they rarely play. Man Utd and Chelsea don't really have a rivalry because Mourinho and Ferguson love each other, just like Liverpool and Arsenal don't really have one. As for Barca and Chelski, yeah, there's a lot of hate there, too, but personally I think Liverpool v Chelski is more intense because of the amount of times they've played/are due to play.

And pssh, Liverpool deserved to beat Everton. Just for that, I'm going to cheer for Spurs in the North London derby next month!

Shoden

03-25-2006, 09:24 PM

yay Newcastle have 2 derbies next month!

Chelsea are a bunch of evil divers, come on Elliot never youched Phillips at all, same with the incident Liverpool vs Chelsea where the goalie was sent off.

Jess

03-25-2006, 11:31 PM

I can't believe Steve Gerrard was sent off. I love him more than any other Liverpool player. :(

I hope Liverpool win the FA Cup, now that we are out of it. Unlike most other Newcastle fans I really like Liverpool. I don't think they are boring at all.

As for tomorrows match - Howay the lads! - Please don't lose against Charlton. :(

Shoden

03-25-2006, 11:37 PM

Liverpool are the only ones who can teach Chelsea a lesson, and if Liverpool pour their heart and soul into the match they can dive and give Chelski a taste of their own medicine.

Jess

03-26-2006, 01:35 PM

24 minutes in we are 1-0 down to Charlton, due to a Penalty scored by Darren Bent. :(

EDIT: 1-1, I love Scott Parker.

EDIT 2: 2-1 to them, own goal by Lee Bowyer. Not happy. :mad2:

Psychotic

03-26-2006, 01:59 PM

If you guys got rid of the treble-B alliance of Bowyer, Boumsong and Bramble, and replaced them with players of the quality of most of your other players, you'd be very deadly indeed.

Didn't Lee Bowyer used to play for Charlton before Leeds got him? Hmmm, double agent. :shifty:

Jess

03-26-2006, 02:01 PM

I totally agree. We could get rid of Ramage along with those. I'm hoping Emre can do us proud and get us an equalizer in the second half. :cool:

Burtsplurt

03-26-2006, 02:41 PM

4-3 against Bolton. A last minute Stuart Parnaby goal gave us the three points. Century Radio's "enthusiastic" commentator, Alistair Brownlee, just got a little excited: "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. It's Stuart Parnaby. And what's he doing in the opposition six yard box in the last 30 seconds?! BUT WHO CARES!"

Shoden

03-26-2006, 03:21 PM

Ramage!!! He's quality, he is what the club needs, young skill. sell THose Bloody Bleeping Bitches and Ameobi, use the money to get Woodgate, use Chopra or Luque up front and voila, fixed.

Once Milner comes back I think it's gonna get better.

Jess

03-26-2006, 03:49 PM

I can't stand ramage at the moment. I swear everytime he touches the ball he screws up. Same goes for Boumsong.

Psychotic

03-26-2006, 03:52 PM

Ramage? Quality? He's just a poor man's Stephen Warnock, (and that's not saying much) and wouldn't look out of place in the Sunderland team. Same goes for Chopra, but without the Stephen Warnock bit. :D

As for Woodgate, I don't know why he would want to sign for Newcastle now that he plays for Real Madrid, a team in the Champion's League, and gets paid a lot of money to do so. Nor do I know why said Real Madrid, the richest club in the world, would feel the need to sell one of their best (and only ;)) centre backs.

And I'd be very surprised if Milner does come back.

Resha

03-26-2006, 03:53 PM

Right now, at any rate, Ramage is fucking up big time. :) First against Wayne Rooney, where it was a pass back from him that gave MU the first goal. Then against Liverpool, when he let Crouch score. Then today -- ungh. That pass back to Thomas was dumb dumb dumb; that's no way to clear a ball.

themagicroundabout

03-26-2006, 03:54 PM

Yeah. I hate that Ramage guy. :aimsun:

Jess

03-26-2006, 04:09 PM

I was hoping for signing Torres at the end of the season, but that isn't going to happen now that a few other teams want him too. :(

Shoden

03-26-2006, 04:10 PM

Ramage maybe doing crap but he can alot better when he can get off his lazy arse and play.
He's better then Bowyer, Ameobi, Boumsong and Bramble put together but he just likes to doze off, too much of a wuss.

Real Madrid are having a clear out though. Chopra is a legend in the reserve team but he hardly plays 1st team, he's 6x better then Ameobi though and he;s the only alternative avalible, you can see how Souness screwed Newcastle, right in the arse.

Psychotic

03-26-2006, 04:21 PM

Torres? For Newcastle? That's like linking Alan Shearer to Atletico Madrid. Torres loves his team as much as Alan Shearer loves Newcastle, really, and Atletico are bigger than Newcastle are, and the only reason he'd leave Atletico is because they're underperforming. The only Premiership sides I can see signing Torres are Chelski, and possibly Man Utd if they sell Van Horselface, to be honest. Arsenal are too poor, Benitez wouldn't spend £20m on a player, and Newcastle & Spurs are too small-time to entice him away from the club that he loves.

Real Madrid aren't clearing out centre backs. When did being good in the reserves equate to being good enough for the Premiership?

Resha

03-26-2006, 04:32 PM

Um, I think Torres is going to those jerks, Spurs. :irked: They've offered 15 million for him.

Psychotic

03-26-2006, 04:39 PM

Atletico said they'd accept £25m, because they're strapped for cash.

Still, if Spurs qualify for the Champions League, that boosts their chances significantly.

Shoden

03-26-2006, 04:41 PM

Chopra has scored around 3x more goals then Ameobi, he's had first team experience and I think he's scored a few times in first team, but then again anyone can better Ameobi.
Woodgate is doing crap at Real Madrid too so he has a reason.

Psychotic

03-26-2006, 04:49 PM

Since when has Woodgate been doing crap at Real Madrid? I heard he's been doing really well, hence why Eriksson wants to call him up (although he always seems to get injured just beforehand) and secondly, supposing he is doing crap, why would you want to sign a crap player for an extortionate fee anyway? You could probably get Matthew Upson when Birmingham go down for a lot less.

Resha

03-26-2006, 04:49 PM

Wasn't Woodgate INJURED recently? If I remember correctly he had only just recently come back during the first Real Madrid - arsenal game. But I'm not sure. (If he was injured, then he's hardly played enough for you to say doing crap, yo.)

Jess

03-26-2006, 04:52 PM

Torres? For Newcastle?
Clickety Click Click. (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=371753&CPID=8&CLID=4&lid=&title=Torres+won't+be+rushed&channel=)

EDIT: Oh, and I think that Shay Given should get paid more. :laugh:

Shoden

03-26-2006, 04:52 PM

He's just crap at Spanish football, he was amazing at Newcastle and they promised him he could return anytime he wanted, Real Madrid have him on offer, Middlesbrough are after him too.
Woodgate is the best altenative avalible to us.

HowlingMonkey

03-27-2006, 08:48 AM

Firstly, Woodgate spends 90% of the time injured. He got injured in the Champions League game against Arsenal, and that was after he just got back from another injury, which happened just after he returned from a 15-month spell on the sidelines. Worst 15 million ever spent in the world. Ever.

And also, I just wanna say a big yay for Reading! They're coming up to the Premiership next season! Well done to em!

Shoden

03-27-2006, 11:59 PM

Well we all know that you have to have big, fat, muscle legs to survive in Spanish football, Woodgate's legs just aren't manly enough to withstand the Spanish, could be worse, he could be in France or Italy.

Psychotic

03-28-2006, 12:00 AM

Does this mean that Ronaldo is the greatest player La Liga has ever seen?

Shoden

03-28-2006, 12:03 AM

I dunno, look at his legs, you can tell a quality spaniard footballer by the size and shape of his legs, I have no idea why the legs are so messed up but it isn't rare to see them.

Resha

04-01-2006, 02:10 PM

*bumps* I'm sorry. :(

BUT I DO DECLaRE. If Newcastle beat Tottenham through this beautiful Bowyer goal, I will love them forever and ever and ever and ever. Brilliant.

Edit: No arsenal - aston villa on TV. How depressing....grgh.

Shoden

04-01-2006, 02:24 PM

I don't fucking believe it, the useless tosser actually did something useful for once, his first goal FOR Newcastle this season, bloody hell, Solano is amazing.

Resha

04-01-2006, 02:27 PM

I wouldn't call him useless. :/

But smurfing Robbie Keane. :( I hope the leprechauns eat him; it's important that Newcastle keep playing the way they've been playing despite this goal -- I swear Bowyer should've gotten a free kick then.

EDIT: Oh, ameobi!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A GOAL! Though he's injured. That kinda sucks but I reckon it's worth it.

Shoden

04-01-2006, 02:33 PM

It's 2-1 at the moment, this match is going to be good, if only my TV wasn't being a bitch....

Resha

04-01-2006, 02:35 PM

Darn you >=E

OH! OH OH OH. Penalty! Shearer does something, hurray. Brilliant. Bowyer is being such a god today -- you call him USELESS? This is the third time he's been one-on-one with the goalie today. The second was a foul too; I reckon if he'd fallen down that would've been a penalty too. 3 - 1.

and good news from Highbury too! adebayor scores, and we're 1 - 0 up. :) Wish I could've seen it but this is thrilling enough.

Edit: Why did Wenger substitute Diaby in so soon, does anyone know? :/

Shoden

04-01-2006, 02:39 PM

He usually is useless, Roeder must have did something to Bowyer. Shearer is doing better then last season where it was all Kluivert and Bellamy.

Resha

04-01-2006, 02:40 PM

2 - 0 at Highbury! This time a goal from Henry, I do believe. This is unbelievable -- if Spurs and Bolton lose today, the coveted #4 will be closer (we have a game in hand over Spurs, although Bolton have one...or two...in hand)! Until next week (but we'll see then).

Shoden

04-01-2006, 02:49 PM

Bowyer might end up like another Bellamy, violent as hell but skilled enough to pwn anything, maybe, he just needs to stay at the club longer, he aint as useless as Ameobi who trips over the ball all the time. Half time and Ameobi finishes with a handball ROFL!

04-01-2006, 05:01 PM

Whee! A 5-0 victory, Chelsea suckiness and a Spurs defeat make this an almost perfect day of football. It's a shame that Cesc's injury put a damper on the performance, but hey, a five goal win is a five goal win. I think it's safe to say that we officially don't suck any more. :D

Loony BoB

04-02-2006, 10:17 AM

Man Utd edge to within 7 points of the top with one game against Chelsea to come. Only four points of the title race are now out of MU's control. I really do hope that Chelsea lose a game and draw a game so that it comes down to a do-or-die match for the title at the end of the season between Man Utd & Chelsea. That would be awesome. Still don't think it will happen though :(

04-02-2006, 01:51 PM

It's nice to see that there's something resembling competition at the top of the table now. If Chelsea's poor form continues it could go right down to the wire, and with three or four teams all within sight of the last Champions' League spot there's still a lot to play for in the top half.

Of course, the real dogfight is going on in the relegation zone. While it may not be as intense as last season's four-way tussle, it still looks like it'll be an exciting, unpredictable race to avoid the drop. Personally I think Portsmouth are looking like the most likely survivors, considering they're the form team at the moment, and have more home games remaining than the other two. Who do you guys think will escape this season?