i do not get the end!! (spoilers abound)

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so, there are 2 planets, and one's a spaceship or something, and Darth Vader is making the planet you're on collide with his to make all the blank canvas zidane type people have souls or something.??

why is there a bunch of vivis???
is vivi infact the one monologuing at the end?

so Kuja is like Zidane 2.0 right? zidane was sent to destroy the place or get it ready for the empty bodies on the other planet to obsorb the people on the main planet? (i forget the name)
but he doesnt or whatever, so kuja is sent to do it, but he's got an expiration date right?

[Zeromus_X]

I have no clue what the first part is about.

Those are Vivi's children, don't rack your brain figuring it out.

Yes, it is Vivi monolouging(sp?) at the end.

And the third part is basically correct.:cat:

[Quindiana Jones]

Right. Here goes. Your Darth Vader is Garland, and yes he was trying to make Terra (your Spaceship) absorb Gaia's energy. (don't quote me on all that)

Yeah, don't think about Vivi's kids. It's madness trying to.

I thought it was Garnet at the end? But I'm not positive because I haven't played FF9 in a while.

Yeah, Zidane was sent down by Garland to destroy Gaia (like Kuja was trying to do) but stuff happens and he became all nicey nice, so Garland sent down Kuja to do it properly. Kuja a kind of rubbish version of Zidane though, because Garland had to down-grade him so he wouldn't become nice like Zidane did. So Kuja has a life-span like Vivi and is destined to die, whereas Zidane's fine for life.


Phew. I know there's a load of stuff I've forgotten, but obviously I can't remember it, so someone else'll probably have to fill in the gaps.

[TheSpoonyBard]

There's a spoiler warning in the title, so be warned there are spoilers in this post.

There are two narrators during the ending -- Mikoto and Vivi.

Mikoto says:
"Kuja... What you did was wrong..."
"But you gave us all one thing... Hope..."
"We were all created for the wrong reason, but you alone defied our fate."
"We do not want to forget this. We want your memory to live on forever..."
"...to remind us that we were not created for the wrong reason - that our life has meaning."

Vivi says:
"I always talked about you, Zidane. How you were a very special person to us, because you taught us all how important life is."
"You taught me that life doesn't last forever. That's why we have to help each other and live life to the fullest."
"Even if you say goodbye, you'll always be in our hearts. So, I know we're not alone anymore."
"Why I was born... How I wanted to live... Thanks for giving me time to think."
"To keep doing what you set your heart on... It's a very hard thing to do. We were all so courageous..."
"What to do when I felt lonely... That was the only thing you couldn't teach me. But we need to figure out the answer for ourselves..."
"I'm so happy I met everyone... I wish we could've gone on more adventures. But I guess we all have to say goodbye someday."
"Everyone... Thank you. Farewell."
"My memories will be part of the sky..."

The question regarding Vivi's sons has been discussed by Squall_of_SeeD in the FFIX Plot Analysis, found on GameFAQs.com.
-Part 6: Where Did Vivi's Sons Come From?

One of the most enduring questions of Final Fantasy IX is "Where did Vivi's
sons come from?" Speculation has run anywhere from "Vivi died and they formed
from his spiritual energy as it dispersed" to "Vivi used the machines in Dali
to create more Black Mages like himself [before his death]" to "They're Vivi
and Quina's children" to even "They're Vivi and Eiko's children." In all
honesty, it's not simple to make an easy determination simply because there's
so little explicit evidence offered by the game with which to make a
determination, however, that is exactly what I will do here, bringing forth
the most simple and likely explanation for their origin.

While some have cited Vivi and Quina's marriage in Conde Petie as evidence
toward the small Black Mages being their offspring, it is impossible to
corroborate such a claim for various reasons:

1) The marriage occurs in an optional scene that the player does not
necessarily have to activate.
2) The marriage will only take place for the purpose of granting Vivi and
Quina passage to the Conde Petie Mountain Path, not for any emotional bond
between Vivi and Quina.
3) Quina's gender is unknown (if he/she even has a set-gender).
4) It's unknown whether it is even possible for Black Mages to sexually
reproduce in the first place.
5) It's not known whether or not Qu reproduce through sexual interaction.
6) Supposing that it were possible for Black Mages to sexually reproduce and
that Vivi had reached sexual maturity, it is not known whether or not it would
even be possible for a Black Mage and a Qu to reproduce together.

For that matter, Vivi's sons do not arrive with Quina, nor do they sit with
Quina in the audience during the Play in Alexandria.

Quina having anything to do with the matter is entirely unfounded and not a
possibility that should be inquired into any further due to the extreme lack
of evidence, as well as the extreme lack of logic behind such a concept.
Likewise in regard to Eiko, as well as the likelihood that Eiko had not even
yet reached sexual maturity (she was six years old during the game after all;
based on everyone looking pretty much the same during the ending, it's safe to
assume that seven years had not passed).

For that matter, it's not known that the small Black Mages would have
necessarily been produced through sexual reproduction were they sired by Vivi.
Reproduction can also occur through fision (splitting) and budding (basically,
a new organism growing off of another's body). While that's not to say that
either of these were the processes by which Vivi's sons came to be, it IS
intended to say that sexual reproduction is not the only possible means
by which they may have been sired.

Where, then, did they come from?

Due to the same being the case in regard to Vivi and all other Black Mages,
it's likely safe to assume that Vivi's sons were composed of Spirit Energy
that had gone stagnant and become Mist, but as to how that Mist coalesced into
the Black Mages we see during the game's ending is left rather open-ended.
That said, however, I have a theory as to their origin, and feel that it is
the most likely based on in-game information coupled with logical reasoning
and assumption:

It is known, of course, that when someone dies, their Spirit Energy returns to
the Planet to be used as the energy of life in other creatures that are born.
It is known also that the experiences of an individual in some way contributes
toward the growth of a Planet's swell of Spirit Energy that lies at its
centre, whether that swell be called "the Lifestream," "the Gaia," or simply
"the light" (as it is in Final Fantasy IX). We know this based on the Gaia
Theory of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within:

(Stated by Aki, quoting Dr. Sid's journal.)
"All life is born of Gaia and each life has a spirit. Each new spirit is
housed in a physical body. ...Through their experiences on Earth each spirit
matures and grows. When the physical body dies the mature spirit enriched by
its life on Earth returns to Gaia bringing with it the experiences, enabling
Gaia to live and grow."


However, the Mist covering the world was comprised of stagnant souls, unable
to return to the Planet. They were not going anywhere or doing anything. They
weren't being recycled and they weren't contributing to the growth of Gaia's
spirit, something it would desperately need at this point, seeing as how it
had been deprived of the Cycle of Souls for 1000 years. With that in mind,
Vivi may have decided to use the machines in Dali to expedite the Mist's
return to the Planet by giving it living vessels to inhabit once again, so
that once those living vessels died, the Spirit Energy would return to the
Planet as it naturally should.

Think of the matter as purifying water. If one has a contaminated lake, the
water can't be used. If, however, the water is taken into a machine, purified,
and then returned to the lake, the lake will be entirely cleansed and all the
water will be usable once again.

This, of course, brings up the questions of why it is that these sons of Vivi
have the same appearance as him, as well as how he would know to make them,
seeing as how he was a prototype of the Black Mages, obviously more complex
than those that were dying within one year's time. This, however, is easily
explained: As a prototype, Vivi was likely formed from compressing more Mist
than were the later Black Mages. In testing such a concept, it makes sense to
overdo it in order to determine -- over time -- how much Mist is needed to
produce the desired army of short-lived, reasonably powerful Black Mages. More
Mist would produce Black Mages like Vivi, and less Mist would produce Black
Mages like Black Mage No. 288. In trying to "purify" as much Mist as possible,
Vivi would, of course, use as much Mist as was possible in the creation of
each Black Mage. This would explain why the Mist has seemingly vanished from
the world during the ending, as well as why these Black Mages bear Vivi's
appearance.

One final thing to consider is the symbolism of Vivi's name, "Vivi" being
Latin for "Alive." That new life would emerge due to his actions would be very
fitting, I feel.

While it might be argued that Vivi abhorred the use of those Mist machines and
wouldn't have used them, it should be kept in mind that it was what the Black
Mages that were produced were being used FOR that Vivi abhorred. Them being
used as simply weapons of war and not treated as living beings with emotions
was what so enraged him.

With all this in mind, it is my personal belief that Vivi's sons were brought
into existance in the manner which I have suggested to be the case here, and
that it is the most likely possibility of their origin. It is the most likely
and most logical explanation that I know of, as well as the one which requires
the fewest assumptions.

(Note: Full credit for this concept goes to Tony Hilton (a.k.a. "Vir"); thanks
for opening my eyes. It was so simple and logical that it's brilliance at its
finest.)

The last thing you asked about was Garland's plan and the role of Zidane. Basically, Garland wanted to absorb the souls of the inhabitants of Gaia and restore Terra (a dying planet) to its former glory. He did so by using the Iifa Tree as a gateway between the two planets. Zidane's role was to bring chaos and destruction to Gaia, thus releasing the souls of the people living there. Instead he was 'turned good' and failed to complete his task (This reminds me of Smurfette's story).

[Sir Bahamut]

Excuse me, but the FFIX Plot Analysis found on Gamefaqs was written by Squall_of_SeeD, and certainly not falsehead (who wrote a rather poor plot analysis on FF8).

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thankyou guys very much. that stuff really did help make some sense of it.
who's mikoto? another black magician?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Mikoto was one of the Genomes rescued from Terra. She's the one you were following before you arrived at Bran Bal.

[McLovin']

The real question we should all be asking is...how did Vivi get all those damn kids?

I mean, he's a blob.

[Gh["]sT]

what bit of the end r u lot on about :confused: :confused: :confused:

[McLovin']

The one and only end. -_-

[Gh["]sT]

the video end bit or where zidane goes down the lifa tree and stuff

[McLovin']

The part in between.
Where the story is narrated and cut scenes happen galore.
And sad music plays. And you see Alexandria for the first time again.

[Gh["]sT]

where like every1 gets on the airship and stuff and at the end of the video stiener holds up the sword save the queen

[McLovin']

No. Before the FMV. It's a cutscene.

Zidane goes in Iifa Tree.
He finds Kuja.
*CUTSCENE BACK AT ALEXANDRIA*
Viva and Mikoto narrate the story.
Then Alexandria comes up and you see Vivis kids.
Then some talking and narrating and then the FMV.
*FMV begins*
Play begins
Zidane Shows up
Happy Ending.

[Gh["]sT]

O rite i get u know and everyone thought zidane was dead and stuff and dagger gives it legs to him:p :D :D :D

[McLovin']

Ya...I guess...

[Gh["]sT]

kk:)

[Acid Raine]

4) It's unknown whether it is even possible for Black Mages to sexually
reproduce in the first place.

Well, we DO figure Vivi has the male organs, if you know what I mean. The "ritual" that Vivi and Zidane share at Madain Sari imply this.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Have you found a female black mage in the game? All the ones in BMV appear to be male.

[Zeromus_X]

And who knows if they reproduce? It's just one of the un-answerable mysteries in the game. It's not meant to make sense, or be solved :choc2: :cat:

[nik0tine]

Thats basically right except Zidane is more like Kuja 2.0.

[Quindiana Jones]

That's what I thought at first. But Kuja IS Zidane 2.0. and Blank unawareness of character names can't help but make me think: Did he actually play the game?? :D hehe

[nik0tine]

I'm fairly certain Zidane was created surpass Kuja.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Kuja was made first, Zidane was made afterwards.

[DarkLadyNyara]

Kuja is like Zidane 2.0 right? zidane was sent to destroy the place or get it ready for the empty bodies on the other planet to obsorb the people on the main planet? (i forget the name)
but he doesnt or whatever, so kuja is sent to do it, but he's got an expiration date right?

Kuja was considered defective because he had a mind of his own. Garland created Zidane to replace him. Kuja wasn't to happy about this, so he dumped Zidane on Gaia. And, yes, Kuja was created with a short lifespan, thus his decision to destroy existance. What can I say? He snapped.

[Quindiana Jones]

Ah yes. Damn I shoulda stuck to my first thought.

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did mikoto have her own little important backstory?

now im mixed up over who was first, zidane or kuja. i was thinking zidane was but it does make sense if kuja was. but then why call kuja "zidane 2.0" if its more like zidane is "kuja 2.o"? am i right?

and isn't it true to say that Garland sucks at making people for destroying planets since both kuja and zidane pretty much failed at that goal. (i just realized garland is like, the same name of that FFI boss)

[TheSpoonyBard]

Mikoto doesn't have a backstory, per se, but she explains to Zidane who he is and what he exists for.

Kuja was first. Zidane was second. Kuja got angry when he found out Zidane was more powerful than he, so he put him on Gaia so he'd be out of the way. Little did he know what was to come...

[Quindiana Jones]

How mysteriously ended of you ET. Heh, you're ET.

[Ace14]

Yup everything some people said is true like Zidane is Kuja 2.0 and all the stuff about everything else. But what I don't understand is why did Zidane forget all that, did Kuja erase his memory?

[Zeromus_X]

You mean why he forgot his "mission" to start annhilating people? Well, he did grow up and live on Gaia. And he was pretty young when he got adopted by Baku, so he naturally doesn't remember anything but bits and pieces. (Like, do you remember when you were an infant? Probably not.):cat:

[Ace14]

Oh yeah and how he remembers that blue light.

[Quindiana Jones]

(Like, do you remember when you were an infant? Probably not.):cat:

I remember when I was 3 and got a fishing hook stuck through my finger. Oh, and also when I was 3-ish, I went dump a lil' hill on my tricycle, went over the top and scraped my face off on the gravel road. You tend to remember pain easier than happiness etc. Just thought I'd give examples :laugh:

Oh and yeah...Zidane evil blah blah blah

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Yup everything some people said is true like Zidane is Kuja 2.0 and all the stuff about everything else. But what I don't understand is why did Zidane forget all that, did Kuja erase his memory?

i think it's more like Kuja messed him up, rather than naturally not-remembering

[Ace14]

Messed him up... like beating him up?:D

[Blank]

Messed him up... like beating him up?:D
possible, but i mean like Sephiroth messed Vincent up. that kinda messing

if you havn't played FF7, vincent is a character who can turn into monsters - which isn't natural. catch my drift?

[Ace14]

Oh yeah.

[Chibi Youkai]

And on Mikoto, she was to replace, or at least be a placeholder for Kuja and Zidane should both of them have to be destroyed.
Zidane doesn't remember because his soul wasn't really active untill he came to Gaia. If you look at all the other Genomes, none of them have souls, and wouldn't recieve them untill Terra and Gaia merged into one.