And...

[Jessweeee♪]

After playing the game through a few times I've noticed that whenever I beat Ultimecia, the furthest she ever gets to in her little speech thing is "And..." and then my character kills her in the next blow.

Does she say anything after that? I gots ta know!!

[Venom]

Nah, I'm pretty sure all she says is "and..." and thats it.

[Vyk]

She probably says that when she's about dead so that it'll be a cliff-hanger. Programmed that way I'd imagine. Just for such a reason.

[Hambone]

She probably says that when she's about dead so that it'll be a cliff-hanger. Programmed that way I'd imagine. Just for such a reason.
my thoughts exactly.

[Yuffie514]

i always believed that whenever she is done blabbering, then she will die. i don't actually waste time on her, because she is getting the pulp beaten out of her with powerful limit-breaks. guess whenever she is going to pop, she'll pop.

[Moon Rabbits]

Yeah, doesn't she say something about reflecting on emotions and sensation etc.? Or is this before she says And...?

[Chris]

The first time I thought she had to finish her speech before I could kill her. Costed me like 2 hours of battling! :(!

[Sir Bahamut]

Since Ultimecias moral speech (or whatever) is about time running away from you and whatnot, it is only appropriate that this is further nailed in by the fact that she never has time to finish what she's saying.

If you look at what she says it's really quite logical.

[Future Esthar]

She only says And...

But it´s not kinda obvious what is happening here?

Seed fought Edea without knowing she was their Matron.
Fortunately they knew about it before the last barttle.
After Edea was defeated they stop fighting her.
Edea then reveals everything to our characters.
It is quite the same here with one difference:
They know her but don´t remember about her.
And this time they don´t find anything.
When Ulti is free of her possession our friends keep fighting her.
Therefore Ulti counter attacks to defend herself.
Meanwhile,she tries to convince them.
But stupid characters keep attacking her don´t giving her time to complete the sentence.
She is probably going to say she had been possessed by doctor Odine.
If you look at the way she dies it looks like as if someone set a bomb inside her body to kill her.

[Shin Gouken]

:rolleyes2 FE you never give up :D

[Future Esthar]

Of course not.I see no reason why I should.

[Shin Gouken]

I don't think you should rest until the whole world have heard your theories :greenie:

[Future Esthar]

Kinda like.
I am not the kind who would told it to people without the internet,though.
Don´t give up this thread because of me please.I pretty much posted everything I wanted to say.

[MJN SEIFER]

Look if guys if all she says is "And..." Future's theory is just as good as anyone elses.

(And hey, It's a good one...)

[Ramza Beoulve]

Nah, I just think of this "and..." like if in the next turn (there isn't, because at this moment any hit would kill her) everything would end existence and only her would left.

[Future Esthar]

I respect your opinion.

[Ramza Beoulve]

Thanks :D

[Markus. D]

She only says And...

But it´s not kinda obvious what is happening here?

Seed fought Edea without knowing she was their Matron.
Fortunately they knew about it before the last barttle.
After Edea was defeated they stop fighting her.
Edea then reveals everything to our characters.
It is quite the same here with one difference:
They know her but don´t remember about her.
And this time they don´t find anything.
When Ulti is free of her possession our friends keep fighting her.
Therefore Ulti counter attacks to defend herself.
Meanwhile,she tries to convince them.
But stupid characters keep attacking her don´t giving her time to complete the sentence.
She is probably going to say she had been possessed by doctor Odine.
If you look at the way she dies it looks like as if someone set a bomb inside her body to kill her.

a crap load of spoilers there.

[nik0tine]

She is probably going to say she had been possessed by doctor Odine.I fucking laughed out loud.

[MJN SEIFER]

She only says And...

But it´s not kinda obvious what is happening here?

Seed fought Edea without knowing she was their Matron.
Fortunately they knew about it before the last barttle.
After Edea was defeated they stop fighting her.
Edea then reveals everything to our characters.
It is quite the same here with one difference:
They know her but don´t remember about her.
And this time they don´t find anything.
When Ulti is free of her possession our friends keep fighting her.
Therefore Ulti counter attacks to defend herself.
Meanwhile,she tries to convince them.
But stupid characters keep attacking her don´t giving her time to complete the sentence.
She is probably going to say she had been possessed by doctor Odine.
If you look at the way she dies it looks like as if someone set a bomb inside her body to kill her.

a crap load of spoilers there.

Dude, Where talking bout a line JUST before the Ending! These spoilers will have ALREADY been spoiled by then!

[Jessweeee♪]

possesed by Odine? That would be cool!!!
You vant to fisticuffs???
lol...

[Future Esthar]

No wonder Cid is a coward.He i possessed by Odine.

Actually I believe there were at least 4 shumis possessed by Odine.

I call them,the "political" shumi,the "fisherman" shumi,the "resting" shumi and Norg.
I don´t know if there are others.
Headmaster Cid is a possessed "political" shumi.

My guess about the identity of the shumis before they were possessed goes like this:

Political shumi-Elder
Resting shumi-Attendant
Fisherman shumi-Difficult decision.Either Sculptor,either artisan,either specialist.My guess goes to specialist since trade resembles more to fish than to sculpt or artisanship.

[xX.Silver.Wings.Xx]

She is probably going to say she had been possessed by doctor Odine.
If you look at the way she dies it looks like as if someone set a bomb inside her body to kill her.

uh... Some of your theories are really good...but that's just a little dumb....

[Rocket Edge]

I don't think you should rest until the whole world have heard your theories :greenie::D same here

[Jessweeee♪]

XD
did you say Cid was a posessed shumi?

[Nick Schovitz]

I really don't remember any of this has anyone ever beat her with more than just Rinoa and Squall just alive?

[Masamunemaster]

I always beat her before she said and using Irvine(Limit break), Squall(limit break), and Rinoa Healer

[Sir Bahamut]

It's impossible to defeat her before she says "and" so you must have forgotten something.

[Future Esthar]

Jessie,the elder will evolve into Cid at some time after he left the village and became possessed(don´t forget time is "compressed" explaining how they can appear on the game at the same time).
Cid will then meet Norg who has just left Trabia era where the Elder is still sane.

[Ryushikaze]

And Squall is a Pupu. Future, remember that you still have yet to prove any of your inane WOTC theory, and that's any theory you make based on it is equally flimsy

[Future Esthar]

Good to see you.Had you been on vacances?

The proof of WOTC resides on Eden GF,the "color check" poligon map and basically everywhere on the world map of FF8.There are so many contextual(historical),graphical,topological and geological evidences that I can´t count them all.
It is the theory of mine with the greater number of evidences.
One just needs to observe things carefully,use a lot of imagination and deduce an history from geological conditions and game quotes.

[The Last Oath]

FUTURE ESTHAR, you are a champion, some people say you have lost the plot, but you have just dived into the games intelligence a bit more than other people. I know where your coming from, i got your back on this.

[Ryushikaze]

Actually, your geographic evidence was shot to pieces, then you came back with an unfalsifiable excuse.

Besides, FF8 Ultimania is entirely silent on the matter, and it was supposed to answer all the important questions.

Seems to me something like WOTC would be important enough to warrant mentioning if there was any internal validity.

[Future Esthar]

It seems evident to me that it won´t appear.

FUTURE ESTHAR, you are a champion, some people say you have lost the plot, but you have just dived into the games intelligence a bit more than other people. I know where your coming from, i got your back on this.

Thanks.I don´t understood the last statement though.
It seems you are prepared to know where is the machine that the doctor uses to possess people.

[Vivisteiner]

She has to say "And" as her last word. I once did 4 lionhearts against her final form + loads more damage but I still had to wait for her blabberring on till "And".

[Druggelz]

Good to see you.Had you been on vacances?

The proof of WOTC resides on Eden GF,the "color check" poligon map and basically everywhere on the world map of FF8.There are so many contextual(historical),graphical,topological and geological evidences that I can´t count them all.
It is the theory of mine with the greater number of evidences.
One just needs to observe things carefully,use a lot of imagination and deduce an history from geological conditions and game quotes.

Ow gosh, all your arguments are difficult to follow, arrgh

but I think it makes sense though, maybe I should play the game again and pay more attention to it ...... :-d

my opinion on the "and....."-thing: The writers were bored and wanted to confuse us all :-)

[Future Esthar]

Esthar is just Timber city on a far future.
Try to look for evidence on it.

[Jessweeee♪]

Ok, so she definately doesn't say anything else after and?
Well that settles that then.

[*__*)]

Esthar is just Timber city on a far future.
Try to look for evidence on it.

indeed?

Ultimecia could tell them so many things after "and". "And I am Rinoa" even ;)

[Darth Cid]

Zidane: Exactly Ultimecia could have said anything. "And...I'm drunk." or "And...I love Sephiroth." or "And...FFIX is gonna pwn you all." or "And...Squall, I...am your father." or *imitates Eric Cartmen*"..and...screw you guys." I'm sorry I have to do something for comic relief, anyway it makes sense for Ulti not to be able finish her sentence, her time ran out.

[Moon Rabbits]

Esthar is just Timber city on a far future.
Try to look for evidence on it.

I'm not even gonna bother arguing with you.

And, I looked at your profile to check your age and when I saw 25...I died a little inside :D

[Future Esthar]

Why will you not bother?
I mean Esthar city,not Esthar.

Guys,Ulti never dies no matter how much damage you inflict.She only dies when she is about to say the sentence after "And".
She explodes at that time.There was a bomb inside Ulti.

[Moon Rabbits]

-.-; there wasn't a bomb. you're just over analyzing. Square just put in some flashy graphics to wow players. and it worked. I love her death scene D:

[Jessweeee♪]

your theories can be as annoying as hell sometimes, FE, but what would the FFVIII forum be without them?

[Moon Rabbits]

I mean Esthar city,not Esthar.

WTF. ARE. YOU. TALKING. ABOUT.

Esthar city not Esthar...isn't Esthar City the same AS Esthar...you know....what? I don't get it.

[The Last Oath]

A bomb inside Ultemchia, hmmmm? perhaps doctor Odine put it inside her because he did not want her to reveal anything to Squall and co

[Moon Rabbits]

A bomb inside Ultemchia, hmmmm? perhaps doctor Odine put it inside her because he did not want her to reveal anything to Squall and co

Like how Ultimecia is Squall's father!?

Or how she's really a moomba?!

[Skyblade]

your theories can be as annoying as hell sometimes, FE, but what would the FFVIII forum be without them?

Sane?

C'mon, this is supposed to be discussion on Ulti's lines, not more discussion about FE's theories.

[Jessweeee♪]

GAH!!! don't kill me for saying i'd miss FE's theories!
anyway...I think we've established the fact that yes, and is all she gets to and doesn't say anything else.

[Future Esthar]

A bomb inside Ultemchia, hmmmm? perhaps doctor Odine put it inside her because he did not want her to reveal anything to Squall and co

You got the point Last Oath.

And if you think that the concept of Esthar city being Timber city on the future is farfetched do know that FF8 is as farfetched as that(one of the reasons I like ff8).
In a world where it is possible for waves to time travel everything is possible.

[MJN SEIFER]

I mean Esthar city,not Esthar.

WTF. ARE. YOU. TALKING. ABOUT.

Esthar city not Esthar...isn't Esthar City the same AS Esthar...you know....what? I don't get it.


Esthar the contry. which contains (Among other places) Eshar CITY.

[Sergeant Hartman]

And...

[Future Esthar]

Exactly MJN Seifer.

[MJN SEIFER]

I thought so.

As for the Esthar (City?) and Timber being the same place. I'll have a look at the evience soon...

[Future Esthar]

Esthar city is also Winhill on the future.There is a straight evidence for this on the presidential palace.

[MJN SEIFER]

ok.

So did they all start of as on place? And then seperate somehow?

(If you've already covered this, i'm sorry you've got so many posts on these theroys It's hard to know what I've already read sometimes)

[Moon Rabbits]

Esthar city is also Winhill on the future.There is a straight evidence for this on the presidential palace.

Where?

[MJN SEIFER]

ok.

So did they all start of as on place? And then seperate somehow?

(If you've already covered this, i'm sorry you've got so many posts on these theroys It's hard to know what I've already read sometimes)

[Jessweeee♪]

...why do i post in the FFVIII forum....

[Moon Rabbits]

...why do i post in the FFVIII forum....

[Future Esthar]

Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
Esthar city is also Winhill on the future.There is a straight evidence for this on the presidential palace.


Where?


Hint 1:We all know that Laguna don´t want publicity on Winhill.
Hint 2:We would agree then that a painting of Winhill from Laguna on Esthar city would not be a possible event.
Hint 3:There is no evidence of Estharian civilians attacking or entering past Winhill.Only Soldiers and Adel.
Hint4:Need to show you a screenshot of something which is impossible but is there on the game (it is made possible by my theory).
Will do it when I finally manage to install the game on my laptop and transfer the savegame files from my desktop.
Am too lazy though.

[Jessweeee♪]

Erm...what relevence does this have to the lack of words Ulti says after "and"?

[MJN SEIFER]

As far as I know nothing. He's refering to another Theory (Although they may be reated - you never know with him!)

[Jessweeee♪]

Ok. This thread is done. Seriously.