What did you think about Sailor Moon? [Archive]

cloud_doll

03-25-2006, 10:53 PM

I have just finished watching the first season (1-40) and I liked it so far. But I want to see what other people think about it. One thing I didn't like is how they did the same stuff over and over again ,like how each of the ite's (*Jedite Malakite Zoisite and Neflite*might of spelled those wrong) would think of one way to take away energy, and do the same thing over and over, so it would get annoying and sometimes i would skip an episode. So does it keep doing that? Does it get better?

Venom

03-25-2006, 10:56 PM

Its the best show ever.

TheAbominatrix

03-25-2006, 11:19 PM

The filler episodes have a lot to do with the evil side trying to gain energy, crystals, whatever.

I suggest you watch the Japanese episodes if at all possible. The dub is a tragedy.

That being said, it's one of my favorite shows of all time. I think it's amazing.

Luther X-Rated

03-25-2006, 11:40 PM

The best anime ever!!!!

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-26-2006, 12:00 AM

Sailor Moon is awesome and it gets better as you continue on. The last three season are awesome.

Also the whole "-ite" thing is explained in the manga. It has to do with them being named after certain stones. *forgets the exact explanation*

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 02:19 AM

The heads of the Dark Kingdom are all named after stones and metals.

Queen Metalia, the ultimate ruler of Dark Kingdom, obvious connection there.

Then Queen Beryl, and a beryl is, of course, a stone.

The four shiitenou, Kunzite, Zoicite, Nephlite, and Jadite are all named after specific stones, I believe from the same 'family' of minerals.

The four of them were once on the other side, and functioned as Prince Endymion's (Tuxedo Mask's previous incarnation) guardians, much like the four inner senshi protected Princess Selenity. Even Beryl wasnt evil to begin with.

As for the series getting better, it does, but the filler episodes never stop. In classic and the beginning of R, its a constant quest for energy. Further on in R, it's Crystal Points. Then in S, pure hearts, SuperS had Dream Mirrors, and Stars had Sailor Crystals. The enemy is always after something, and so there's a LOT of filler.

Reeno the Alchemist

03-26-2006, 02:28 AM

best show eva did you know theres gonna be another season it was in my anime mag. ....cant wait for it

Madame Adequate

03-26-2006, 02:30 AM

Dubs are atrocities. I've said my piece, now onto Sailor Moon.

I've not watched a great deal of it, but what parts I have seen I've generally liked quite a bit. It's good stuff, is Sailor Moon, and I could stand to have it on DVD.

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 02:31 AM

best show eva did you know theres gonna be another season it was in my anime mag. ....cant wait for it

No, there isnt. That rumor has been around for ages. There will be no more anime because there is no more manga. The only new stuff was the wonderful live action series, and that's done as well.

Reeno the Alchemist

03-26-2006, 04:04 AM

soo yer sayin my anime becket magazine was lying to me i dont tink so

Lychon

03-26-2006, 04:05 AM

Sailor Moon rocks.

-LYCHON

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 04:53 AM

soo yer sayin my anime becket magazine was lying to me i dont tink so

Care to point out their sources for me? It has been outright stated that there will be no new Sailormoon anime by that lovely woman who created the show. The only new Sailormoon was the live action, and that, sadly, is over and done with.

Sorry, I trust the word of the creator over the word of some obscure anime mag.

Slade

03-26-2006, 06:05 AM

I loved Sailor Moon. I was distraught when they cancelled it over here :cry: That was about.....hmm....must have been over 10 years ago now. They didn't even finish the series they were showing and they just up and cancelled it! Bastards :mad: Anyhow, yeah I love Sailor Moon, it was also the first anime series I ever watched. One day when I'm out of debt I'll buy the entire series on dvd, till then I can only dream :greenie:

Zeromus_X

03-26-2006, 06:10 AM

I love all of the YYH references to Tuxedo Mask. :cat: (I'm guessing it's because Togashi married Takeuchi, or they're just being funny:p)

Edit: Well, I thought he married her during Hunter X Hunter, so...well, SM was pretty popular in Japan, I'd imagine, so a funny reference wouldn't really be out of the question :cat:

Reeno the Alchemist

03-26-2006, 06:18 AM

hmmmmmm maby your right -_- stoopeed anime becket magazine YOU LIED TO ME :crying2: :crying2: :crying: :whimper: :weep: i trusted you >_<

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-26-2006, 06:30 AM

Even Beryl wasnt evil to begin with.

Wasn't Beryl in love with Endymion, therefore jealous of Princess Selenity. I assume Metallia played on this to manipulate her into attacking the Silver Millenium.

I think Beryl's love was more hinted in with the manga, though in the original Japanese anime they do show a short scene of Beryl looking jealously at Endymion and Selenity after Sailor Moon and co. finish her off.

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 06:35 AM

Yeah, Beryl was... I believe a priestess. She worked at the castle on Earth, from what I remember. She was in love with Endymion, and jealous that he loved Selenity, and so when Metalia started to gather forces on Earth, Beryl was a perfect turncoat. The other people of Earth were mainly motivated out of jealousy that the people of the Moon lived so long, and they did not.

Beryl's past love was more in the manga, but the anime was pretty big on her manipulating him to be her love slave and all that.

It's a lot like the story of Adonis in Code Name: Sailor V.

FallenAngel411

03-26-2006, 07:23 AM

I love the tv series, but maybe I should pick up the manga. Sounds like I'm missing a lot of story here...

Rengori

03-26-2006, 08:07 AM

I thank The Summoner of Leviathan for giving me that link to the Sailor Moon torrent site and I believe that's the only reason I have bit torrent program.

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-26-2006, 08:34 AM

I thank The Summoner of Leviathan for giving me that link to the Sailor Moon torrent site and I believe that's the only reason I have bit torrent program.
You are welcome. The first torrent I ever got was the Sailor Moon manga one and I still had dial up then...

Trumpet Thief

03-26-2006, 08:37 AM

chaos: I really didn't like it much. When I was young, I watched the first season (go laugh, but I was intrigued), and I have to say, it was allright. I loved Nephlite because he was just cool.

Rubedo: But after thinking back to my young days + seeing some of the new episodes, it's really, REALLY bad IMO. Maybe the American version's just messed up, but I swear, there are like five episodes a whole season in which something Important really happens.

Lychon

03-26-2006, 08:37 AM

Best quote from Sailor Moon:

"You're lying!! And you're never getting my crystal!!"

Lol, classic.

-LYCHON

The Devourer Of Worlds

03-26-2006, 08:45 AM

Hehe, Makoto has quite a bit of 'Talent'.

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 10:06 AM

I love the tv series, but maybe I should pick up the manga. Sounds like I'm missing a lot of story here...

You are. The manga is soooo amazing, and it has a lot of backstory for everyone. Plus no filler nonsense.

xD I loved that talent joke.

Kawaii Ryûkishi

03-26-2006, 10:22 AM

Code Name: Sailor V.Code Name Is Sailor V. Such precious few titles of works are sentences in their own right.

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 10:24 AM

Code Name: Sailor V.Code Name Is Sailor V. Such precious few titles of works are sentences in their own right.

Like I ever go by that >:O

cloud_doll

03-26-2006, 04:16 PM

so the english version leaves out a lot? i liked it so far, its killing me that sailor moon r is taking so long to download, hopefully ill be able to get the manga version, since its sooooo amazing. but its nice to hear that a lot of people still like sailor moon! it seems ever since it went off TV people have forgotten about it...

Tavrobel

03-26-2006, 04:30 PM

I used to be annoyed by the fact that my sister watched it ALL the time. I'd have to get up at 6 AM before school just to tape the episodes. Over time, my tolerance of the show has increased.

The first season is the best one, in my opinion, but the future episodes are ok. Poor Neflite, just because he fell in love with a [girl from Earth], he HAD to die. By the time you get to the Flying Circus episodes with the Amazons, and Draconia, the show is a bunch of crap. Absolute CRAP. The season before that was barely tolerable. The extra Sailors past Jupiter are really so the outer planets don't get left out, except Pluto, who has power over Time, and that freaky short one from Saturn, wh0 h4s teh p0wah 10 pwnage 3v3n m7 leetsp34k.

Beryl is alot more senseless manipulation in the English TV showsthan in the Japanese manga. And isn't Zoecite a dude in the manga? What is up with that? Guess the Japanese thought the Americans were too squeamish to handle homosexuality.

~SapphireStar~

03-26-2006, 04:32 PM

This is the best anime from my childhood. I bought series 1-5 plus the 3 movies from Ebay for £80 for my 21st :D My fav is Sailor Mercury cause I use to pretend to be her when I was in high school. We had our own Sailor Scouts, it was so cool! The rest of the years thought we were crazy, but it was so much fun and that series will always remind us of our childhood.

Poor Neflite, just because he fell in love with a crazy white girl, he HAD to die.
What are you talking about? Nelfite was white also, so what if he fell in love with a white girl?! Thats racist I cant believe you said that!

Reeno the Alchemist

03-26-2006, 04:36 PM

i loved the show but i didnt like the movie hearts in ice it sucked i liked the one where riny gets kidnapped on the flying ship (dont remember the name)i barrowed it from rikku_yuffie_girl hey let me barrow it again some time okay lumpy

Tavrobel

03-26-2006, 04:37 PM

Poor Neflite, just because he fell in love with a [girl from Earth], he HAD to die.
What are you talking about? Nelfite was white also, so what if he fell in love with a white girl?! Thats racist I cant believe you said that!

Neflite was Lunarian. There's a difference. Although I see your point about the racism.

~SapphireStar~

03-26-2006, 04:40 PM

Neflite was Lunarian. There's a difference. Although I see your point about the racism.
He was white in the American shows though. I havent seen the Japanese episodes where he shows up yet.

Tavrobel

03-26-2006, 04:48 PM

He looks white, but in spirit and in origin, he was Lunarian. If I remember correctly, he was one of the original guardians who were said to have protected the princess' personal fan club, consisting of Sailors Mercury, Mars, Venus, and Jupiter. But unlike the current Sailors, the Guardians' spirits were NOT reincarnated as humans, which is why they follow Beryl.

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-26-2006, 04:58 PM

Zoecite was a dude in the anime also, it is just they change him to a girl in the dubbed.

Anyways Neflite is from Earth, as we already established he was a guardian of Prince Endymion. Though he could be from another planet like Kaitou Ace (Adonis was his real name right?), there has not been, as far as I remember, any evidence to show that Neflite is from the Moon. Also this happens solely in the anime for Neflite does not live long enough to know Molly (I forget her original name) well enough.

Yes there is a taboo against the coupling of those from the Moon and Earth. See people of the Moon live longer, thus making normal Earthlings jealous. Another reason is because those of the Silver Millenium are intrusted to guard the Earth. Princess Selenity broke this taboo, which she then paid for with her life. Well after Prince Endymion got killed, she used the sword meant to protect her to commit suicide upon. (She also died in the anime by the hands of Beryl which her actions could be seen as suicidal, but it is much more evident in the manga). Well this is all according to the manga, which has been a while since I read.

~SapphireStar~

03-26-2006, 05:53 PM

Im going to have to read the manga, its difficult to get the first volumes. I found 2 back magazines in Forbidden Planet afew years ago, but it barely explained anything cause it was half way through a sequence if you catch my drift.

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-26-2006, 05:59 PM

When I come across the manga I can only get it in French. I have actually found all three volumes of Codename: Sailor V in French, second hand. I did not buy them though...I should have...Damnit...

BTW I read the manga, both BSSM and Codename, after downloading them.

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 06:25 PM

The outer senshi arent even the last of the senshi. There are about 30 (or a little bit less) who are named. And by the way, Saturn is so short because she's a child.

Yes, Zoicite is a man. Not just in the manga, but in the anime as well. Because of his feminine appearance and America's general homophobia, they made him into a girl (just meaning they gave him a female voice... ever notice how flat Zoicite is?). In the manga it isnt an issue, as Zoicite and Kunzite do not have a relationship.

Other 'changes' to avoid homosexuality in other countries include Fisheye of Amazon Trio being voiced by a girl (since he's always trying to get on guys, especially Mamoru) and Haruka and Michiru's lesbian relationship being changed to a familial one (cousins).

cloud_doll

03-26-2006, 06:28 PM

Zoecite was a dude in the anime also, it is just they change him to a girl in the dubbed.

Well, in the dubbed Malachite(however you spell it) and Zoecite were in love. Does that mean they were gay in the manga?

TheAbominatrix

03-26-2006, 06:34 PM

Kunzite (Malchite) and Zoicite were both men in the anime and in a homosexual relationship. Zoicite is a man in the anime, just voice by a girl in the dub to keep Westerners from freaking out. There is no relationship between them in the manga (the manga, including Sailor V, hint quite strongly at a romantic relationship between Sailorvenus and Kunzite in the past).

edit: As for Nephrite, he is indeed from the Earth and not the Moon. Adonis was from Venus.

Nephrite's relationship with Naru got him killed because he was betraying the Dark Kingdom by doing so. That and Zoicite hated him and was really just looking for a reason to off him.

edit2: Oh, and as for the shiitenou being the guardians of the Inner Senshi, no. They were the four guardians of Prince Endymion. The Inner Senshi were the guardians of Princess Selenity, and more than capable of taking care of themselves.

This misunderstanding probably comes from a very popular manga picture showing the four shiitenou holding the four Inner Senshi.

MJN SEIFER

03-26-2006, 07:26 PM

Well I live in the UK and it's still on here.

And I still think it's briliant!

~SapphireStar~

03-26-2006, 07:48 PM

Well I live in the UK and it's still on here.
Where? I thought it had finished on Fox Kids years ago. And no one said it had stopped being shown.

cloud_doll

03-26-2006, 07:53 PM

Well I live in the UK and it's still on here.
Where? I thought it had finished on Fox Kids years ago. And no one said it had stopped being shown.

In America it has stopped showing on TV

MJN SEIFER

03-26-2006, 07:59 PM

Well I live in the UK and it's still on here.
Where? I thought it had finished on Fox Kids years ago. And no one said it had stopped being shown.

It's sometimes on Sky One in place of adverts. Kinda sucks but that's sky one for ya.

DMKA

03-26-2006, 08:22 PM

I think it's awesome, in it's original unedited form anyway. The dub is fun to watch so you can laugh at all the early 90s slang though, and for trying to cover up a still blatantly obvious lesbian relationship by making them cousins and turning it into an incestuous relationship...accidentally.

TheAbominatrix

03-27-2006, 01:27 AM

Yeah, the dub is awesome to make fun of. My friend and I have recently taken to reciting old dub lines (especially quoting Molly and Nephlite) and it cracks everyone up.

Rachel is the ish.

03-27-2006, 02:14 AM

How I loved you. :love:

But I don't understand why they cancelled it though.

I liked it when it first came out, and it had the original voices. But that's just me.

TasteyPies

03-27-2006, 02:49 AM

That was the most fucked over series ever. US censorship could bearly make one eppisode out of 3 or 4 shows. Everyone was gay, bi, les, or nude at least one whole show. Back then none of that was near alowable to air. They had to kill any original script to meet censorship requirements. Uranus and Neptune were changed from les to platonic loving cousins or somethin. One of them was changed to a guy. Also one of the aliens with that doom tree was changed to a girl... DAMNIT, everything was so fucked up I can't remember who was what, what loved who, and how the damn thing even passed as a posible show for kids! The manga was good though. If you were able to get you parents to buy it because it wasn't sold to kids.

^I want to watch that version

TheAbominatrix

03-27-2006, 03:05 AM

Haha, I remember listening to rumors like that. So ridiculous.

FallenAngel411

03-27-2006, 03:25 AM

Does anyone have any clue where its possible to obtain the english version of the manga? I can't seem to find it anywhere....to buy or download, its just nowhere...I don't even know how many volumes long it is...;__;

Zeromus_X

03-27-2006, 03:38 AM

I recall seeing alot of it at my local comics store, and my girlfriend does own the first few volumes. (They're kinda thin though...)

So, maybe local comics store for you? :confused:

FallenAngel411

03-27-2006, 03:50 AM

Maybe...I know of one nearby, maybe I'll check it out...

DMKA

03-27-2006, 04:48 AM

Yeah, the dub is awesome to make fun of. My friend and I have recently taken to reciting old dub lines (especially quoting Molly and Nephlite) and it cracks everyone up.
Wasn't half of the dub converstation in the episode where Nephlite dies between him and Molly about chocolate parfaits? I remember wondering what the hell a chocolate parfait was back then too.

FallenAngel411

03-27-2006, 04:53 AM

The conversation is still about chocolate parfaits in the Japanese version, I believe. Haven't watched it in a while, but I'm pretty sure.

TheAbominatrix

03-27-2006, 05:02 AM

Yeah, the chocolate parfait conversation is more or less the same. The main amusement comes from Molly's God awful voice. She's wonderful to mock.

DMKA

03-27-2006, 05:41 AM

Molly's voice is great because not only is it a Brooklyn accent on a character set in Japan, but it's a fake Brooklyn accent on a character set in Japan.

I do recall the cholotate parfait conversation in the original, but I remember it being alot more stupid and annoying in the dub, and lacking in emotional significance. Though, it's been years since I saw that episode in English, and there is the voice difference.

Kawaii Ryûkishi

03-27-2006, 07:41 AM

A sweet young girl with a bizarre accent gets sentimental about a particular dessert with a dying negadude. The chocolate parfait bit sticks with me more than any other part of the show.

MJN SEIFER

03-27-2006, 06:35 PM

cloud_doll

03-27-2006, 09:52 PM

Wasn't half of the dub converstation in the episode where Nephlite dies between him and Molly about chocolate parfaits? I remember wondering what the hell a chocolate parfait was back then too.

I though that Nephlite and Mollys love was really cute and almost cryed when he died, but that part just kinda took out the sadness! it was funny though, but a little annoying

TheAbominatrix

03-27-2006, 10:49 PM

Zoecite was a dude in the anime also, it is just they change him to a girl in the dubbed.

That's only half true.

There are TWO japanese versions one (The first) had him as a man (And Gay) the 2nd she was a GIRL (And Straight). These to versions were made in japan to give people a choice of how they wanted it to be I know this because I have seen for my self.

No, that isnt true in the least. Zoicite is a man in the anime. He was never a girl in ANY Japanese version. I have proof, and I know you dont, so please dont spread utterly ridiculous rumors.

The Japanese didnt give two whits about Zoicite and Kunzite being homosexuals. Its a recurring theme in the anime.

edit: A few facts for those of you who dont know.

Zoicite has been a male in all original versions. In the manga, in the anime, and in the live action. In the anime he is voiced by Keiichi Nanba (also note that there are NO other credits this character, only ONE voice actor, which is proof enough), the same seiyuu also voices Umino (Melvin). In the live action he is played by Yoshito Endoh.

Zoicite is one of the shiitenou... which roughly means 'Four Heavenly Kings'. They are something of a mirror to the four female Inner Senshi... and of course, the shiitenou are all male.

The only times Zoicite is seen as a 'female' are in various dubs for other countries. In all these, he still retains his flat chest... he's simply an extremely feminine looking man, and the dubs use the easy route and give him a female voice.

Oh, there is one instance where Zoicite appears as a female... when he dresses up as Sailormoon in order to trick Tuxedo Mask. However, he doesnt 'become' a female in the least, he just uses his feminine appearance and a pretty costume.

Tavrobel

03-27-2006, 11:48 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. It's been 7 years since I cared/watched the show, so I don't remember it that well.

~SapphireStar~

03-28-2006, 12:54 AM

Does anyone from the UK know where I can purchase the manga? Ebay have next to nothing and Amazon are too expensive for me. I'd rather pay £6 for the novel there and then, not adding an extra £2 on top and waiting afew days.

Kawaii Ryûkishi

03-28-2006, 06:56 AM

When it was translated over to England (And dubbed to America..uhhh:mad: ) Only the FEMALE version was done, I don't know why that was in America but in England it's because it was the 80s and being gay wasn't stictly "normal" yet...The 80s? The show didn't exist until 1992, and it wasn't dubbed into English until 1995.

MJN SEIFER

03-28-2006, 01:45 PM

I mean the origanal. I have veideos of it made in 80s

And I'm talking about the translated version not dubbbed

Kawaii Ryûkishi

03-28-2006, 02:01 PM

Yeah, that makes sense.

MJN SEIFER

03-28-2006, 03:00 PM

For thoese who don't know

Dubbed = when it get's changed i.e. the American versions.

Tranlated is the exact same scripts of the japanese versipn the only thing that changes is the names sometimes. to give them more internatinal which makes sense. Although sometimes they use there JPN names.

Zoecite was a dude in the anime also, it is just they change him to a girl in the dubbed.

That's only half true.

There are TWO japanese versions one (The first) had him as a man (And Gay) the 2nd she was a GIRL (And Straight). These to versions were made in japan to give people a choice of how they wanted it to be I know this because I have seen for my self.

No, that isnt true in the least. Zoicite is a man in the anime. He was never a girl in ANY Japanese version. I have proof, and I know you dont, so please dont spread utterly ridiculous rumors.

The Japanese didnt give two whits about Zoicite and Kunzite being homosexuals. Its a recurring theme in the anime.

edit: A few facts for those of you who dont know.

Zoicite has been a male in all original versions. In the manga, in the anime, and in the live action. In the anime he is voiced by Keiichi Nanba (also note that there are NO other credits this character, only ONE voice actor, which is proof enough), the same seiyuu also voices Umino (Melvin). In the live action he is played by Yoshito Endoh.

Zoicite is one of the shiitenou... which roughly means 'Four Heavenly Kings'. They are something of a mirror to the four female Inner Senshi... and of course, the shiitenou are all male.

The only times Zoicite is seen as a 'female' are in various dubs for other countries. In all these, he still retains his flat chest... he's simply an extremely feminine looking man, and the dubs use the easy route and give him a female voice.

Oh, there is one instance where Zoicite appears as a female... when he dresses up as Sailormoon in order to trick Tuxedo Mask. However, he doesnt 'become' a female in the least, he just uses his feminine appearance and a pretty costume.

He/she wasn't "flat" in the version I saw. And I have on video a japanese version where SHE LOOKS FEMALE, and one where HE LOOKS MALE

Edit by Kishi: Don't double-post.

Kawaii Ryûkishi

03-28-2006, 03:36 PM

~SapphireStar~

03-28-2006, 04:32 PM

I got confused when you started talking about the videos from the 80s cause I thought it was only released in 1992. I really need to get some serious Sailor Moon reading done.

DMKA

03-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Zocite was always male. If you saw a version that was in Japanese where he had boobs, it was fan edited in some way. Even in the ADV set he's male.

And yes, despite what some people seem to think (probably because of the first season's animation), Sailor Moon is from the 90s, not the 80s.

Rikku_Yuffie_girl

03-28-2006, 05:28 PM

i used to love it was like my first anime i still have the tapes and dvd's and magna, and kid_cronocrossrocks that tape was called black dream hole and you can borrow it next time i go to your house i dont care

DMKA

03-28-2006, 05:45 PM

Black Dream Hole is the movie out of the three I really, really didn't care for. So of course it ended up having the prettiest animation in all of Sailor Moon.

Well, aside of the Eternal Sailor Moon attacks and transformations in the fifth season.

MJN SEIFER

03-28-2006, 06:40 PM

Please understand that your claims are outlandish and your <a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showpost.php?p=1297099&postcount=8">credibility</a> <a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showpost.php?p=1329275&postcount=86">is</a> <a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showpost.php?p=1445201&postcount=21">zilch</a>.

Kishi, "Credebility" and Zilch" went to the same topics...

I'll stop for now *I* know I saw these shows but as I can't prove this YET I'll put this on hold along with the "All FFs are connected" stuff.

Moon Rabbits

03-28-2006, 07:37 PM

I just started re-watching the first season after like...easily 10 years of not seeing a single ep. I was about five or six when the dub came on the station YTV and they played it through to the end of the second season (i think that one...with the Doom Tree?) and it was the first anime I ever watched. Two days ago I started watching subs on YouTube and found out that there are a few episodes that were never dubbed.

"I'll Punish You! The Fortune-Telling House is a Youma's Mansion!", the second episode, was never dubbed and brought over seas, so I thought the second episode was the Love Talk radio one...which is really the third.

So yeah, I really like sailor moon and it's one of (if not my all time) favourite anime shows, i'm now intrigued to find some of the manga since it sounds so much better than the subs./dubs./

EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong but episode 4 "Usagi Teaches! How to be Slim!" was never dubbed either...or am I just unable to remember this ep?

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-28-2006, 08:15 PM

How can Sailor Moon have existed in the 80s when Codename: Sailor V was only written in '91? To make my point clearer, the idea for the anime was birth of Codename: Sailor V which Naoko Takeuchi then expanded to give birth to BSSM. This was only in '91, therefore it is inconceivable that there was any sort of Sailor Moon stuff before this date. You cannot have stuff about Sailor Moon, before the show and manga were even conceived.

~SapphireStar~

03-28-2006, 08:20 PM

The Summoner of Leviathan is so full of Sailor Moon wisdom :D

The Summoner of Leviathan

03-28-2006, 08:31 PM

The Summoner of Leviathan is so full of Sailor Moon wisdom :D
I had to check the dates on Wikipedia though...I was not too sure about when it was release though I knew it was in the 90s.

cloud_doll

03-28-2006, 10:09 PM

TheAbominatrix

03-28-2006, 10:48 PM

DMKA

03-28-2006, 11:27 PM

MJN, you dont have one ounce of proof. Stop making stuff up.

Anyway. aisle, the episode you're asking about was dubbed, actually. Its weird what things they'll cut and why, and then they'll leave things that are just whacky. But yeah, the get fit episode was there, just butchered as always.
No, it was one of the episodes from the first season that was never dubbed, for who knows what reason. There was a scene in it where Umino flipped up Haruna's skirt, but I don't see why they couldn't have just cut that out with all the cutting they did in all the other episodes.

http://www.smuncensored.com/comparison.php?episodeid=2

TheAbominatrix

03-28-2006, 11:30 PM

That was the fortune tellers house episode. I'm refering to the weight loss episode, which was dubbed. See where I said the 'get fit' episode? *points*

Moon Rabbits

03-28-2006, 11:39 PM

DMKA, that link is interesting.

The fortune teller's episode im positive was never brought here, and as Abom said the Get Fit! episode was...I guess I just don't remember it (i was 5 or 6 afterall).

There's another episode called like "Usagi plays a Cupid" that wasn't brought over here, it's got to do with a musician or something...I haven't watched the whole sub yet.

I'm on episode 6 or so now that I've begun watching the whole series over, in a subbed form on youtube...the episodes they cut were relatively good, especially the "The Perfume of Youmas! Chanellas steal love!" episode i liked alot.

Most of my friends find the names of the japanese episodes funny because they're so long, but I personally like them better than the ones they were given in the dubbed versions...anyone else dislike dubbed ep. names?

Actually, that link is far more than interesting...it's really really good, and i've now taken to crawling that page for the next 3 hours.

DMKA

03-28-2006, 11:41 PM

Oh, my mistake. I thought you were talking about that one.

Yeah, I actually still have a recording of that weight loss episode somewhere. It was indeed dubbed, and I remember them showing Molly on the exercise bike twice, the second time sped up. Yet another of the misterous edits that have no apparent reasoning behind them.

TheAbominatrix

03-28-2006, 11:43 PM

Yeah, I prefer the Japanese names. They're far superior.

The Cupid episode was cut because of Usagi using the transformation pen to sneak into a bar, even though she only orders a soda, or some sort of non-alcoholic beverage. Though, oddly enough, they left in two seperate episode where Usagi actually does get drunk, though on accident.

Man, all this talk reminds me of just how much I love this show.

DMKA

03-28-2006, 11:45 PM

The Cupid episode was cut because of Usagi using the transformation pen to sneak into a bar, even though she only orders a soda, or some sort of non-alcoholic beverage.
That episode had absolutely nothing objectional in it. They could of easily just called the "bar" something else, like they did consantly with other things in the show.

Moon Rabbits

03-28-2006, 11:54 PM

Yeah, I prefer the Japanese names. They're far superior.

***

Man, all this talk reminds me of just how much I love this show.

I prefer Usagi to Serena...I don't know how they got Serena from Usagi. I also like Umino to Melvin, Mamoru(sp) to Darien etc.

I remember in the dub that the episode where Usagi meets Sailor Mercury (Ami in the dub...i've not gotten to this point in the sub) was within the first 3 or 4 episodes...but i'm on episode 6 in the sub and it's still not there yet.

All in all, i like the subs far more.

Teek

03-29-2006, 01:13 AM

They got Serena from Serenity. It's not too much of a stretch.

What did you think about Sailor Moon?
I'd tap it.

TheAbominatrix

03-29-2006, 01:34 AM

Most 'questionable' episodes could have easily been fixed, but they chose not to. You know Im speaking from their reasons, not my point of view. I wouldnt have cut any of them.

And yes, Serena came from Serenity, which is how the Japanese pronounce Selenity. Of course, it was ridiculous that she was also Princess Serena, especially when Prince Darien didnt recognize being called Darien, but answered to Prince Darien when Beryl spoke to him. I much prefer Princess Selenity and Prince Endymion.

Anyway, Ami Mizuno is Sailormercury's name, and she's known as Amy Anderson in the dub.

DMKA

03-29-2006, 01:40 AM

Anyway, Ami Mizuno is Sailormercury's name, and she's known as Amy Anderson in the dub.
It's funny how in a Super S episode they called her "Amy Anderson" but in the S episode where Amy stops Amara and Michelle from killing Hotaru the member of the Witches 5 who held the same academic ranking as Amy (forget her name) came in and called them all by first and last name and called her "Amy Mizuno".

I think Sailor Moon is the only anime dub that was that inconsistent from episode to episode with it's own self re-written scripts. It's fascinating.

TheAbominatrix

03-29-2006, 02:16 AM

They also call her Amy Anderson in the first season... or rather, when she answers the phone when Greg calls, she says "Anderson residence".

As inconsistant as the dub is, the translated manga is even worse.

DMKA

03-29-2006, 02:22 AM

As inconsistant as the dub is, the translated manga is even worse.
That's scary.

TheAbominatrix

03-29-2006, 02:27 AM

Yep. I think Mandee has all the manga we bought, but basically they would switch between names on a fairly regular basis. What bothered me the most was near the end, with the Animamates, when they called Lead Crow Red Crow instead. It just threw off the whole thing and pissed me off.

On the whole, its a fairly decent translation, ignoring the inconsistancies... and really, it was a trendsetter. Now we can buy translated manga with ease at almost all major bookstores. Mixx, as crappy a company as they were, really did us a big favor. Now I just wish we could get a better company to translate them again, hopefully with bigger pages.

Moon Rabbits

03-29-2006, 04:18 PM

I found a bittorrent of fan translated Codename Sailor V, it seems pretty well done...but I can't compare it to anything because a) i dont know any japanese, and b) i havent read any other scanlations of the manga.

There was also a complete fan translation of the Sailor Moon manga, but it was 1gb and thats almost all of my free space e.e; (damn computer sucks)...

manga torrent (http://www.sailormooncenter.com/index.php?id=torrent)
scroll down to the manga part, it's got both...

MJN SEIFER

03-29-2006, 08:10 PM

MJN, you dont have one ounce of proof. Stop making stuff up.

Just because I don't have any proof doesn't mean I'm making stuff up. even if it turns out to be false in the end (I'm sure it's not but... It was years ago)

I have a habit of post memories/what I have heard/Assumed as fact with out getting proof or even checking if it's true (occasionally).

Any way we'll leave this debate for now. Whether I'm right or not I don't care anymore.

cloud_doll

03-29-2006, 10:02 PM

The dub left so much out, and it's really a shame. Especially the episode on Sailorvenus' past, which added so much depth to her character.

Oh! I have to see that! is there a sub for that episode? whats it called?
(sailor venus is my favorite scout, have to know bout her)

also, im downloading the sailor v manga, its on the site the person posted up there.(sailorcenter) but its so small...it says only 89.46 MB...is that right?

Moon Rabbits

03-30-2006, 12:08 AM

Oh! I have to see that! is there a sub for that episode? whats it called?
(sailor venus is my favorite scout, have to know bout her)

also, im downloading the sailor v manga, its on the site the person posted up there.(sailorcenter) but its so small...it says only 89.46 MB...is that right?

Yes, that's the one I dled. Whether or not it's the complete Codename Sailor V manga I'm not sure, but it comes with 3 volumes...which as far as I know is complete.

As for the Sailor venus episode, it's on youtube riiiiiight here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfNOZiW6icI

It's really too bad that in the live action version of Sailor Moon that Queen Beryl looks like Cher. ,_,:cry:

TheAbominatrix

03-30-2006, 12:09 AM

I dont know about that file size, but it sounds right. The Sailor V scanlation (if its the same one I have) is beautiful and much better than the Mixx release of Sailormoon. I havent read any scanlation of BSSM, though.

The Venus episode is... I believe number 42 of the first season called "Sailorvenus' Past? Minako's Blighted Love!" It's a rather sad episode, and it adds a lot to her character.

edit: Yeah, there are only three volumes. When you read, watch for cameos of Sailormoon characters!

I love PGSM's Beryl. She's so... busty xD

cloud_doll

03-30-2006, 01:19 AM

OMG!! that episode of sailor v's past is so sad.... they really should've dubbed that, that was a good episode

TheAbominatrix

03-30-2006, 02:14 AM

So what?

Moon Rabbits

03-31-2006, 03:13 AM

I dont know about that file size, but it sounds right. The Sailor V scanlation (if its the same one I have) is beautiful and much better than the Mixx release of Sailormoon. I havent read any scanlation of BSSM, though.

edit: Yeah, there are only three volumes. When you read, watch for cameos of Sailormoon characters!

I love PGSM's Beryl. She's so... busty xD

Was the scanlation done by Grand Theft Fansub?

I've read the first 4 chapters or whatever and I already saw Usagi, which was pretty cool.

Yes, yes she is, but is still Cher in disguise.

ShunNakamura

03-31-2006, 06:14 PM

Well I am currently watching the sub of sailor moon. The one thing I noticed in the early episodes is I like the american opening theme better. But meh, it isn't like the the japanese opening is bad, just not to my taste as much as the english opening is.

Anyways, one thing that stands out most about sailor moon in my mind is the following:

My english teacher back in 9th grade(I think, it was on Cartoon Network whenever it was) told us that he wouldn't let his daughter watch it because it was too 'revealing'. I laughed so hard inside and it still makes me smile to this day. If he thinks the dubbed sailor moon is bad, well I have stuff I could show him that would curl his hair.:choc2:

anacacia

03-31-2006, 06:19 PM

Oh my gosh! I love that show! I used to watch it so much! I collected the comic books, the movies, recorded the show, and manga.

I was a big geek for that back in the day. :p

Moon Rabbits

04-01-2006, 03:30 AM

The english opening is too Sclub7ish to me. I like the Japanese one. Moonlight Densetsu = YAY.

Does anyone know what band/singer does that song? I want more of their stuff.

The Summoner of Leviathan

04-01-2006, 03:35 AM

DALI sings Moonlight Densetsu

cloud_doll

04-02-2006, 03:05 AM

Well I am currently watching the sub of sailor moon. The one thing I noticed in the early episodes is I like the american opening theme better. But meh, it isn't like the the japanese opening is bad, just not to my taste as much as the english opening is.

yeah me too. i like the opening in the egnlish version. also, i like all the DUB songs better too. they fit more.

TheAbominatrix

04-02-2006, 03:07 AM

Ew, I cant stand the dub songs. Save for the basic nostalgia. I really love the Japanese soundtrack. Ai no Senshi > She's got the Power.

The Summoner of Leviathan

04-02-2006, 11:10 AM

I have to admit I do love "My Only Love", "The Power of Love" and "Carry On" (I think it was Carry on when she fought Beryl in the Dub, right?).

Morgoth_Bauglir

04-02-2006, 11:25 AM

sailor moon is worth a fuck

Ballistix Man

04-02-2006, 11:33 AM

I thought this about the show. Click the link in my sig.

TheAbominatrix

04-02-2006, 12:03 PM

I have to admit I do love "My Only Love", "The Power of Love" and "Carry On" (I think it was Carry on when she fought Beryl in the Dub, right?).

Yep. I think the songs are really awful, but I cant say I dont get a perverted amount of enjoyment from them on occasion.

cloud_doll

04-02-2006, 08:11 PM

TheAbominatrix

04-03-2006, 03:40 AM

Heck no. It's so horridly done.. I mean, after watching the whole thing in Japanese, I realized just how much they cut. That and the 'valley girl' speak... it was just awful awful.

I'm not bagging on it, mind you. Just saying I despised it. But I appreciate it for getting me into Sailormoon and hence getting me hooked on anime, for being one of the series that paved the way for having lots of anime on tv and manga in the stores, and for giving me and my friends something to quote incessantly. xD

Plus the soundtrack... now dont get me wrong, I loved the dub songs when I was a kid. But after hearing songs like Ai no Senshi, Moon Revenge, Moonlight Densetsu, and Makenai!, the dub songs just dont cut it.

Of course, I still own the cd.... xD

Hambone

04-03-2006, 04:51 AM

I loved Sailor Moon when I was 6. But now, I'm older and they don't play it anymore.

Rikku_Yuffie_girl

04-05-2006, 08:12 PM

I loved it I still have the tapes and DVD's

~SapphireStar~

04-05-2006, 08:13 PM

cloud_doll

04-05-2006, 11:36 PM

I got the manga today and it is sooo different to the anime. I dont which I like more. I like the manga cause the Scouts meet up in the first 6 magazines, but they take forever in the anime! Animes cool because I love Usagi's voice, I didnt like her as 'Bunny' or 'Serena.'

i've never seen the manga, but i think the artwork (like ive seen in pictures) is absolutly gorgeus. thats what made me want to see it.
i like serena's voice in the DUB in the first season, but after that she sounded really annoying.