The hidden punishments

[Raistlin]

I made <a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=81797">this thread</a> asking why I couldn't change my custom title. Apparently, it's because I'm temporarily EoEO banned... which somehow affects my ability to change my custom title?

Some of the staff members (minus RSL, who is sane) said, basically, "tough." But I was banned for breaking the rules in EoEO, not for everything else I've been lumped with. Let's look at all the additional punishments I've been given:

-Lose FS title
-Lose infinte PM space
-Lose ability to post in usernotes
-Lose ability to change custom title

Now what does any of that have to do with breaking rules in EoEO? Does the staff have in the rules "if you get banned from EoEO, you lose all this other crap as well"? No. I could tolerate the first three, because I don't give a damn about a title, I'm still short of the standard 1000 PM limit, and I rarely post usernotes. But something simple like changing custom title? Give me a break.

It's entirely accidental on the first place, it was <i>admitted</i> that it wasn't an intentional form of punishment, and yet the staff still refuse to fix it. And that's not right.

[Vyk]

I think its that being banned from EoEO really doesn't make you regret what you did. You wait out your time and carry on like nothing happened. Its barely an inconvenience. Who really cares about EoEO anyway xD But all that other stuff really is an inconvenience and might make you regret what you did/said (whatever it was) hence they want to keep it as added punishment incentive. Not because it fits the crime. But because it works?

Edit: I got EoEO banned, no big deal to me. Though what I was banned for wasn't really a big deal either. And I deserved it. I shall strive to never do it again! :D Though making forum life even more awkward would make me strive harder. Thankfully I don't have infinite PM space, and don't get many PMs anyway, so that wasn't too big a deal. And I never tried to change my title during that time. And I have no other titles to lose. So neh

The usernote thing sucked though, which is quite an incentive to some to not break the rules. We love our usernotes

[Raistlin]

I think its that being banned from EoEO really doesn't make you regret what you did. You wait out your time and carry on like nothing happened. Its barely an inconvenience. Who really cares about EoEO anyway xD But all that other stuff really is an inconvenience and might make you regret what you did/said (whatever it was) hence they want to keep it as added punishment incentive. Not because it fits the crime. But because it works?
...but that's not why staff has done it. Every single one of those, if I remember correctly, was accidental. You can't just make up bull<img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> justifications for something done wrong after the fact.

And custom title? How does not being able to change custom title affect anything? Or losing my FS title?

[DK]

Quit whining and listen to your elders and betters, you little bitch. :D

[-N-]

Why haven't I been EoEO banned yet? I call Marick gay all the time. :confused:

[Raistlin]

Goddammit, Dan, if you don't have any serious input, then don't post. That and you've used the same joke everyday for the past week. At least be original.

[Agent Proto]

At least let those de-EoEO'd have their ability to change their custom title. What's there to lose?

[DK]

Hey man, you've used the same Custom Rank for a month, don't talk to me about originality.

[Dignified Pauper]

What the heck does it matter. Get over it, we all know the staff is like Shinra, who cares. I am personally sick of all you EoEO banned people who simply can't be nice.

[-N-]

At least let those de-EoEO'd have their ability to change their custom title. What's there to lose?Come on, Proto. Surely you can see that Staff has to do something to make people notice they're EoEO banned. Otherwise, as has been said, no one will care that they're EoEO banned. You have to smack them hard. Or in Raistlin's case, extra hard. Without lube.

[Shoeberto]

As I recall, when we discussed it in staff, it was something along the lines of things like user notes and custom titles being priveledges, which we can take away at our own discretion. Being a dick in EoEO seems like plenty reason to take them away, and hopefully motivation to shape up in the future so you don't have to worry about losing your priveledges again.

[Raistlin]

But I didn't lose my custom title. I just can't change it. And apparently not all the staff members follow the arbitrary ruling of Leeza, since RSL agrees with me.

[Dignified Pauper]

According to the arbitrary notions of Neel, maybe I should support raistlin because he is male over Leeza who is female. Laughable.. silly brown people..

Raistlin, just stop complaining, these are the rules, simple as that.

[Leeza]

It's entirely accidental on the first place, it was admitted that it wasn't an intentional form of punishment, and yet the staff still refuse to fix it. And that's not right.
Who/where/when was it <i>admitted</i> to be accidental?! If it is set to be that way as default then so be it, but in any case, as Vyk has pointed out, some members couldn't care less if they were EoEO banned or not so there has to be some other sort of incentive to not be a jerk in that forum. So accidental/default or set to be so on purpose (which is also a big probability, but I'm not going to go search every thread in Staff to find this), you will just have to <i>tough</i> it out. I would imagine that this is tougher on Dr Unne than it is on you anyway, so cheer up and look on the bright side...you can change your title in exactly 139 days and 4 hours. :)

[XxSephirothxX]

Are these penalties actually listed anywhere, and I've just missed them? I glanced over the FAQ and Unne's thread in EoEo and didn't see anything. If they really aren't listed, for the sake of fairness I think they should be. At least then people will know why they can't change their custom title, post in usernotes, etc. Not only would it be more fair, but it would also probably cut down on threads asking "why can't I do [whatever]," and stop some people from causing trouble to begin with, seeing as they'll realize exactly what's at stake. And if all this stuff is listed somewhere, disregard this post.:p

[Dignified Pauper]

I think it goes without saying that if you break rules, you simply lose priveleges.

[Loony BoB]

Haha, shame Raistlin, you can't change your custom title and I can. *messes*

[Agent Proto]

If it's going to be the case where Raistlin can't change his custom title for the next 139 days and 4 hours, than at least just remove the title completely fo those banned from EoEO, just so Raistlin don't have to worry about his custom title at all. :D

[Raistlin]

Finally, someone makes sense! Thanks, Azar.

But your argument still fails, Leeza, because losing simply the ability to change custom title isn't really a punishment. Losing infinte PMs, yes, losing FS status, yes, losing ability to post usernotes, yes. But custom titles? Give me a break. And since when, Leeza, do you speak for everyone? RSL said he thinks it's silly and he's an admin who can actually change it. I'd like to hear the admins' opinions on this.

[Dignified Pauper]

Why should the staff have to accomodate their actions for others, or in this case, one individual. I don't see anyone else complaining. This complaint is childish. I mean, really, Raistlin is a jerk now and then in EoEO, and he knew the rules. This is a punishment, and it may or may not be 100% fair, but what is making stupid threads and complaining going to do about it?

[-N-]

Haha, shame Raistlin, you can't change your custom title and I can. *messes*OH SH!T LOOK OUT BOB IS ABUSING POWER
Seriously man, I know it's just Raistlin, but is that really necessary?

[Raistlin]

The fact of the matter is it's NOT a punishment - it's just something the staff didn't take into account that they NOW say is punishment because Leeza thinks it should be that way. The rules in the EoEO forum say don't be a jerk or you can lose posting privileges in that forum, not don't be a jerk or you can lose PM space, lose usernote privileges, lose the ability to change your custom title (not lose custom title, just the ability to change it from whatever it already is), etc.

[Flying Mullet]

It's just a custom title. Don't you think you're over-reacting?

[Loony BoB]

I think you're a whiner. That's what I think.

Why should we list every single thing that you can and can't do? We'd have to do it for every single different usergroup and somehow make it so that people can know which usergroup they're in, not to mention the secondary usergroups which also come in to play. This sort of list that you guys are asking for would be way too freaking long.

EDIT: We took it into account a long time ago when someone else asked this kind of question, by the way. We all agreed that it's tough luck and you lose that privilege. Pretty much what Hsu said is dead on.

[Dignified Pauper]

haha, Raistlin got his title changed by Loony BoB the Shinra!

[Raistlin]

I think you're a whiner. That's what I think.

Why should we list every single thing that you can and can't do? We'd have to do it for every single different usergroup and somehow make it so that people can know which usergroup they're in, not to mention the secondary usergroups which also come in to play. This sort of list that you guys are asking for would be way too freaking long.
Who's asking for that? But you SHOULD list what punishments you deal out in the rules for the EoEO forum.


EDIT: We took it into account a long time ago when someone else asked this kind of question, by the way. We all agreed that it's tough luck and you lose that privilege. Pretty much what Hsu said is dead on.
That was for Shlup and only dealt with PMs and usernotes. The custom title thing is an obvious error.

[Leeza]

But your argument still fails, Leeza, because losing simply the ability to change custom title isn't really a punishment.
Obviously it is to you. :)

And since when, Leeza, do you speak for everyone?
I don't. I just have a better memory sometimes...and sometimes not. :cat:

[Dignified Pauper]

Well, obviously the rest of the staff is backing Leeza, Raistlin. Maybe you should just shut up about the entire thing.

[Flying Mullet]

Yeah, be sure to add "Loony BoB molested my custom title and I can't get up" to the FAQ for what happens when you're a whiney little snot rag.

[Shoeberto]

Well, obviously the rest of the staff is backing Leeza, Raistlin. Maybe you should just shut up about the entire thing.
I concur!

[Agent Proto]

I think it would be funny if the staff made a "Banned from Feedback" specifically for Raistlin....


OH SNAP. SORRY FOR THE IDEA. Don't blame me ;_;

[Leeza]

That was for Shlup and only dealt with PMs and usernotes. The custom title thing is an obvious error.
There was also a thread in Staff regarding the titles, but like I said before, I'm not about to go search for it at the moment.

[Loony BoB]

That was for Shlup and only dealt with PMs and usernotes. The custom title thing is an obvious error.
I've known about it for a long time. It really isn't an error. 8-)

[Miriel]

Do you ever not make a mountain out of a molehill?

[Agent Proto]

He's not the only one to do that. 8-)

[Leeza]

Do you ever not make a mountain out of a molehill?
That's why we all love him. He just wouldn't be Raistlin if he didn't. :)

[Dignified Pauper]

no joke, this thread is ridiculous and i think our point has been proven, Raistlin. You're just being whiney.

[Raistlin]

That was for Shlup and only dealt with PMs and usernotes. The custom title thing is an obvious error.
I've known about it for a long time. It really isn't an error. 8-)
Not exactly an error, but it wasn't intended, as you admitted to me. And it could be readily fixed.

[Loony BoB]

The fact that nobody here knows about the Fleming vs. Richardson cricket thing means I can't make a parody joke right now.

I just thought you should all know that.

EDIT: You could be easily fixed, too.
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[Dignified Pauper]

BoB, that was the worst post ever.

[Loony BoB]

I see I'll have to fix you, too.

[DK]

The fact that nobody here knows about the Fleming vs. Richardson cricket thing means I can't make a parody joke right now.

So 5 years of friendship to you and i'm still a nobody now, is it? Well cheers, mate.

[Loony BoB]

The fact that nobody here knows about the Fleming vs. Richardson cricket thing means I can't make a parody joke right now.

So 5 years of friendship to you and i'm still a nobody now, is it? Well cheers, mate.
Dude, that was such an invitation for YOU to do the parody on ME.

[DK]

Quite frankly I don't think you'd like what i'd have to say.

[Raistlin]

Damn you people, this issue hasn't been resolved yet. Stop spamming my thread. >=o

You'd think at least an admin would be able to not spam up feedback during a post that offers constructive criticism.

[Flying Mullet]

Get a room you two.

[Loony BoB]

You'd think that.

[Agent Proto]

Well, it seems they don't see it as a big concern. It's only a setback for those banned from EoEO. So I guess you're going to have to tough it out Raist. Sorry, I tried to help, but it's a lost cause in this case.

[Dignified Pauper]

Damn you people, this issue hasn't been resolved yet. Stop spamming my thread. >=o

You'd think at least an admin would be able to not spam up feedback during a post that offers constructive criticism.


I thought we all agreed that you were whiney?

[Flying Mullet]

You'd think that.
What's that supposed to mean?

[MecaKane]

What is this kindergarden? Act up in pe class and you not only get kicked out of pe, but the teacher rapes your father when he comes to pick you up? Raped by accident, no less! Uh, let that be a lesson to you, too!
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[Loony BoB]

What is this kindergarden? Act up in pe class and you not only get kicked out of pe, but the teacher rapes your father when he comes to pick you up?
We decided against the latter, it's not family friendly.

[Shoeberto]

What is this kindergarden? Act up in pe class and you not only get kicked out of pe, but the teacher rapes your father when he comes to pick you up?
That's obviously the most realistic parallel to what Raist is experiencing here.

[Flying Mullet]

...but the teacher rapes your father when he comes to pick you up?
Whoa, unresolved issues from childhood?

[MecaKane]

NOW they've deleted my <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/MecaKane/idle.gif">sig</a> for being over the 50k file limit! Oh, what's that? They just removed my sig because I was making naughty posts here, and it was totally intentional in the first place? Oh, I see! Carry on then!
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[Dignified Pauper]

worst metaphor ever. You fail at EoFF, join Raistlin.

[Shoeberto]

NOW they've deleted my <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/MecaKane/idle.gif">sig</a> for being over the 50k file limit! Oh, what's that? They just removed my sig because I was making naughty posts here, and it was totally intentional in the first place? Oh, I see! Carry on then!
I suppose it was an honest mistake on my part - I saw that you had been posting the obviously oversized Unban Doomie .gif, and mistook it for a signature. So I deleted your sig.

I suppose now that you're attempting to pull some sort of loophole tactic so that staff can't remove it via the signature control panel, we could just one-up you and remove your posting priveledges altogether.

[MecaKane]

No, I'm just posting images in my posts. Is that a terrible thing?
And you quoted my post dude!
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[Flying Mullet]

Good save. It almost looks like you didn't pull the sig on purpose now.

[Yamaneko]

Tough.

[Raistlin]

Yams, you know better. It's retarded.

[Flying Mullet]

You're being retarded over a custom title.

[Shoeberto]

Don't ever think I don't love you guys.

[Hawkeye]

Stop being retarded. When I got my first EoEO ban, I got the same punishments and I tried to fight them, but I eventually lived with them. Word of advice: don't get banned.

Mind you Raist, I agree that there should be a list out saying what entitles to what comes with a ban, that part I can see. That's what also pissed me off when I got my EoEO ban too; to you, custom user title, to me, user notes. Any relevance to EoEO? Not that I could see, but I'm SOL.

[Psychotic]

Can't you just give him his custom title back already? Then everyone will be happy and cheerful and sparkling!

[Doomie]

And he will finally shut his porky little mouth.

(No offence Wes, Powa' to the people!)

[Yamaneko]

All hope is lost! If we cannot trust the administration of a Final Fantasy message board to have sensible rules, who can we trust?!

[theundeadhero]

I've seen more feedback drama coming out of EOTW/EOEO than any soap opera I may or may not have watched when I was a kid with my Mom.

Just let him change his custom title. Punishing that for an EOEO ban is like grounding someone to their room for never playing outside. It makes no sense.

ALL HOPE IS LOST!

[Hawkeye]

All hope is lost! If we cannot trust the administration of a Final Fantasy message board to have sensible rules, who can we trust?!
I was looking forward to a more humanitarian approach, but neh.

[Raistlin]

See, other people feel the same way, you stubborn staff members. Just admit it's dumb and change it. :p

[Trumpet Thief]

Why can't the Staffers just change it to what Raistlin wants?

[Agent Proto]

Because they're lazy? Espcially that Yams.

[Trumpet Thief]

Jebus, that's not right. Then again, this is EOFF Staff. :)

And with some of the posts I've seen in this thread, man, why aren't there any more EOEO bans goin' on?

[Raistlin]

Hey, if you can lose the ability to change custom titles by getting banned from EoEO, why can't you be EoEO banned for spamming in other forums? Even if that person never posts in EoEO!

But, it's irrelevent, because I've heard from RSL and Daniel that losing custom title-changing abilities wasn't meant as a punishment.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Just be happy we didn't permanently ban you from EoEO. Then you'd never change your custom title again.

[Raistlin]

Yes, and that's silly and easily fixed.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Easily fixed, yes. But why? It's a punishment after all, and obviously it's doing its job if it's made you this upset.

[Raistlin]

Easily fixed, yes. But why? It's a punishment after all, and obviously it's doing its job if it's made you this upset.
It's not a punishment, though, nor was/is it intended as punishment. :p I've talked to Daniel, and he explained why it occurs. Even <i>I</i> figured out how to fix it.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I would like to point out, then, that if you'd just PMed him and told him this, he might have been inclined to fix it. The very fact that this thread exists pretty much ensures that it will never be fixed, if for no other reason than to spite you for being annoying.

[Raistlin]

I made a Help thread first, asking why. RSL was inclined to fix it, but was apparently overruled by Leeza. This Feedback thread was made to call that stupid.

[Vyk]

I think I mentioned something like that earlier at some point :]

[Psychotic]

The very fact that this thread exists pretty much ensures that it will never be fixed, if for no other reason than to spite you for being annoying.So when do we get to spite you for being annoying? :D

[Raistlin]

I'm sorry if publicly questioning something embarrasses the staff to such an extent that they refuse to do anything about it then. Though I'm not, really.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

The very fact that this thread exists pretty much ensures that it will never be fixed, if for no other reason than to spite you for being annoying.So when do we get to spite you for being annoying? :D

Never.


I'm sorry if publicly questioning something embarrasses the staff the staff couldn't care less about until I started whining about it to such an extent that they refuse to do anything about it then. Though I'm not, really.

There, fixed that for you.

[MecaKane]

When you "quote" people, you say "I" instead of "you"! People don't call themselves you, ever! Not even venom.

[-N-]

Behold the Void is a stinking trout!

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Neel is a watery tart!

[theundeadhero]

Brown homosexuals smell like a trout!

I like to stray the fence.

[Dignified Pauper]

Raistlin, would you just stop complaining. We are all tired of it. You got an EoEO ban. The punishment has been like that for months. Stp complaining.

[Shlup]

Everyone who posted in this thread, other than me, is retarded. So say'th the Great Queen Spider.

Just ban Raistlin and get it over with. You know you want to.

[Raistlin]

You complained about this too, Shlup. :p

And Pauper (very appropriate name in this case): the length that a stupidity has occured does not make it any less stupid.

[Psychotic]

Just <s>ban</s> sleep with Raistlin and get it over with. You know you want to.Take your own advice, Great Queen Sphincter.

Haha, aren't I clever? A Shlup x Raist joke, and a dirty body part joke, all in the space of one post! This is EoFF gold.

[Trumpet Thief]

Just <s>ban</s> sleep with Raistlin and get it over with. You know you want to.Take your own advice, Great Queen Sphincter.

Haha, aren't I clever? A Shlup x Raist joke, and a dirty body part joke, all in the space of one post! This is EoFF gold.

Psychotic, if the world owned like you did, the the world would really own.

And the Staffers will be destroyed! :chuckle:

[Del Murder]

I have no problem with adding it to the list of rules that only Raistlin checks when he's bored and wants to give us a hard time.

I like that these things are a consequence of eoeo ban. Maybe it will deter people from acting like goofs in there.

[Raistlin]

It can't deter people if they don't know about it. Yet another error in logic.

[Del Murder]

Good thing I'm not a robot or else I would have exploded!

[MecaKane]

I have no problem with adding it to the list of rules that only Raistlin checks when he's bored and wants to give us a hard time.
If no one reads the rules, you should be doing more to make sure they do read them than enforcing the unknowing!

Perhaps a quiz on rules and punishment required for registration, the EoFFATs!

[Raistlin]

Or how about just having it in the rules in the first place?

[MecaKane]

Shut up man, go with this! How many damn weiner 14 year olds would take a damn test to join a site!

[theundeadhero]

How many 23 year olds would do it? I wouldn't.

[Shlup]

You complained about this too, Shlup. :p
I know. Because it's stupid. But so are you so whatever, chickenbutt.

[Agent Proto]

Raist got told. :D

[Dignified Pauper]

pure ownage.

[Loony BoB]

Or how about just having it in the rules in the first place?
Because it's not a rule. It's an occurance. A rule is "Don't do ____". A removal of privileges is a punishment/occurance that results from breaking the rules.

We don't need it to be detailed anywhere because we reserve the right do mess with your account whenever we please. It says so in the T&C you agree to when you sign up. :)

[Shlup]

Does the T&C state that you reserve the right to be a smug asshole? 'Cause you should consider adding it.

[Dignified Pauper]

Does anyone else think this thread could be closed?

[Loony BoB]

Every thread could be closed. Unless it's already closed, in which case it would have to be opened again before it could be closed.

[Rostum]

It would have been funnier and more productive to see zero responses to this thread.

[bipper]

Everyone who posted in this thread, other than me, is retarded. So say'th the Great Queen Spider.


Sweet, I am unretarted:mog:

well, I was .... :(

I was actually under the impression it was changed when Drone of Travis changed his to eyes on your mother - and such.

Count your lucky stars that can still change your sig, your avatar, your profile - or hell even log in ;)

Besides, millions of staving puppies who don't even care about a CUT cannot change thiers! How do you sleep at night! the audacity!

Bip

[NeoCracker]

Um, Trumpet theif, why are you getting rid of your multiple personalities for a serious conversation? I think this thread became a joke by the fifth post.

[Psychotic]

It lost the serious discussion edge when Proto threw in the towel. That's the staff's strategy for Feedback battles: Make Proto submit, and we can all live in a spammy utopia forevermore.

[Flying Mullet]

The day Proto gives in is the day the freedom of the boards dies. :cry:

[Resha]

Sometimes liberal democracy hurts. :(

[Raistlin]

Because it's not a rule. It's an occurance. A rule is "Don't do ____". A removal of privileges is a punishment/occurance that results from breaking the rules.
Except it's not a punishment, but a mistaken occurence that shouldn't need to happen. And it's incredibly easy to fix! And the punishment is completely unrelated to the rule that was broken. It'd be like EoEO banning for double-posting in the FF7 forum.

[Trumpet Thief]

Um, Trumpet theif, why are you getting rid of your multiple personalities for a serious conversation? I think this thread became a joke by the fifth post.

Regardless, it was a rule I made for myself. Man, this thread is one hell of a funny joke. ^___^

[Loony BoB]

Because it's not a rule. It's an occurance. A rule is "Don't do ____". A removal of privileges is a punishment/occurance that results from breaking the rules.
Except it's not a punishment, but a mistaken occurence that shouldn't need to happen. And it's incredibly easy to fix! And the punishment is completely unrelated to the rule that was broken. It'd be like EoEO banning for double-posting in the FF7 forum.
It's easier to not care, though. And although it was originally unintended, it's not intended, so suck it. I don't give a damn if it's unrelated to the incident, either. It's a privilege. You lost it. We'll do whatever it takees to stop people from breaking rules, and quite frankly, the fact that you're annoyed by it only encourages me to keep such a thing in place. Sucker!

[Trumpet Thief]

Suck what Bob? Suck what? :D

And if Raistlin were aware that all this extra stuff happened when you get banned from EoEo, then maybe he wouldn't have been banned. So this could be helpful for the future.

[Flying Mullet]

You mean the lazy admins and mods should do something and add more to the faq?

Good luck.

[Trumpet Thief]

Why not? Sweet, luck! :cool: *departs for journey*

[Resha]

Does anyone even read the faq? :confused:

[Trumpet Thief]

From time to time in newbie threads, somebody posts to tell 'em to read it, and half the time they listen. But man, if they don't read it, they'll be gone pretty fast. :)

[Loony BoB]

FAQ updated.

[Trumpet Thief]

See that wasn't so hard, was it? *applauds Loony*

Now if you'll excuse me, I got to go back to plotting against you. :shifty:

[Resha]

Oooh, he really told you. :laugh:

Edit: Trumpet Thief....I...never read the faq. :(

[theundeadhero]

It would have been easier to just get rid of the effect :p

[Loony BoB]

It would have been easier to just get rid of the effect :p
Actually, no, it wouldn't have been.

[Flying Mullet]

Yes it would have. Don't argue with the hero! :aimmad:

[Agent Proto]

The day Proto gives in is the day the freedom of the boards dies. :cry:

I'll never give in. I'll fight for the little guy!

[nik0tine]

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[Leeza]

You're lucky I'm late for work, nik, or I would ban you for that as I said that I would before. As it is I'll just close this now.