Thoughts of the movie

[Oasis Writer]

This is simple, a thread merely devoted to thoughts about the movie, reviews, or rants. So, what'd you think about it?

[lady yunalesca]

awesomeness!!! :D :D

it was a really cool movie!!! i know alot of people disliked the voice but they were fine!! the only one i had a problem with was tifas!! but maybe her lines didnt translate well!!

[Oasis Writer]

I'd have to agree, I was stunned by the voice plays myself, the graphics were stellar, the action was nice, the dialogue was exceptable. All and all, a great movie. 9/10

[IceAngel]

The only thing that bugged me a tiny weeny bit was the fact at the beginning they had to put subtitles up for the text. I thought that they could have changed that.
Also the fact they didn't change the mouth movements. That didn't bother me that much though.

Overall I thought the film was great! :D

[Oasis Writer]

I noticed that about the movement of the mouth. I was confused why it was like that, but then I figured it was the other version. Is that so?

[IceAngel]

I think so. I watched the Japanese version that was shown on the second disk of the 'Special Edition' DVD. The mouth movement fit exactly. I thought that if they put the time in to do the English lip movements that would have been very good. :D

[Oasis Writer]

Aw, I still haven't popped in the second disc :lol: Good idea. Well, what do others think? Any other rants/ideas/reviews/thoughts?

[Spawn of Sephiroth]

i thought the english was ok. i was dissapointed to see that they didn't take the time to fix the mouth movements, and that did get really annoying when you hear a voice but the mouth movement was off. but it was pretty cool. i also liked how they added more movie time to the english than what was on the original japanese version. but all for all, it was fairly good. ill give it a 7 out of 10. :choc2:

[Oasis Writer]

Legitimate statement, thank you very much for your imput. What do others have to say, regarding what others have or what your own thoughts are?

[darkchrono]

I kind of wonder how you guys can call this an awesome movie when the plot, the story flow (meaning how well all of the scenes meshed together) and the newly made characters were all extremely weak.

I have noticed that all of the people who say that the movie is awesome bring up the graphics, voice acting, or the action scenes. But never say a thing about the plot or the character development.

Advent Children was two thumbs down in the two most important aspects that make up a movie. So I don't think it could be considered anything other than just average at best even with the great animation, good battle scenes, and good voice acting (for the most part).

[Oasis Writer]

You have to take in account, the character development for most of the characters were all ready made in the game. If you were to have them go back and explain everything about what happened, we would have one) had to wait another year or two for this to come out: two) would have been a 30 hour movie: and three) taken away from the aspect of the movie. If you know the story, then you know the plot and the characters, while, if you've never played, they catch you up to speed, long enough to understand who they are.

[darkchrono]

When I implied poor character development I implied it about the newly made characters for the movie (who were all poorly thought out and poorly developed).

[Oasis Writer]

Depends on how you look at it. Ex-Soldiers that were the same suicidal followers of Jenova, just like the first one. That was my first thoughts. They had cells of Jenova, so they were in Soldier, and they wanted to be the best, like Sephiroth, so they had to want the same things. The men in the black capes in the game, I think is where they fall under the catagory. That's what I was thinking. And I understand what you were thinking, it's a very good point. I think more along how they acted, as in the voice with the mouth movement was off, making their characters a little less likeable with me. But they seemed fine, other than the repeatition with "Mother"

[BG-57]

I think character development and action are equally important in an RPG or adaptation of one. AC feels like it was edited down from a longer movie though. An additional 30 minutes of well-written character interaction would have been enough.

As it it feels like it's rushing headlessly from one action sequence to the next, which are exciting in of themselves but have to be grounded in the characters and their goals to be the most effective.

I found the fights involving the Turks more exciting because it was clear they were fighting with all their strength just to keep up, and their personalities heavily influenced their fighting styles. Much more than say, Tifa or Cloud. Even secondary characters like Barrett and Cid clearly showed their character more clearly in the way they fought.

There is a lot to like in this movie, but character interaction was half of what made the game so great in the first place and it was more lacking here.

[sephiroth3991]

i really like it 10/10 for me I thought the voice acting was good except for Kadaj's lackies Yazoo and Loz and Loz was such a...dumb character the graphics were good the plot was good everything was good but yeah the mouthing was off.

[LunarWeaver]

I thought the movie was the godsend Anti-Uwe Boll I've been wanting all along.

Since it's a story continuation, I think it can get away without a lot of character development... As we all already know what happened and why they are the way they are. As for the baddies, they were just like Sephy... Mommy obsessed, what's to know.

I thought the idea of Jenova's cells infecting people through the lifestream, Sephiroth's intentions made clear at the end, Cloud's anti-social behavior, Rufus's manipulations, everything involving Reno, and the general state of the world were quite brilliant pieces of plot actually.

The movie is worth 20$ just to hear Barret say "Thaz some crazy water GAHAHA" at the end.

[darkchrono]

The problem with them choosing not to put a whole lot of character or plot development into this movie is that the main enemies of this movie were characters completely made up from scratch.

If they had chosen to center the story around already existing characters than they could have gotten away with it. But the fact that they centered the movie around these undeveloped new characters was the films downfall.

[LunarWeaver]

I think the new villains were simply a catalyst for Cloud to begin a new journey of releasing his past regret and guilt. Kadaj is directly tied into Cloud as well, so I'm not sure if I'd call him underdeveloped... He's sort of like the Cloud that could have been in some ways. I rather thought the entire thing was about Cloud and all 20 of his swords and not about Kadaj and company.

Besides, Kadaj does his part. His general personality comes through the screen, his intentions are properly motivated, he causes mayhem for the protagonist, and he has flunkies (Yazoo and Loz) who do most of his dirty work. Sounds exactly the same as every villain in every movie made to me...

But it's all in the realm of opinion, so certainly you are not wrong. Opinion Realm is awesome like that.

[Necron]

I was kind of dissapointed by the movie. There was too much action, and not enough dialogue. Sephioroth's appearance wasn't as good as I had expected it to be. And, the bit where Cloud if soaring through the air after the gang push him up (wth?), Aeris somehow also manages to give him a little push. Weird.
I think Clouds Buster Sword has been ruined. (If it's even the same sword, i dunno).
Not exactly a bad movie, just a lil dissapointing.

[Euan_hmfc]

I really enjoyed this movie. I hadn't really been keeping up to date on the movie so I had literally no idea what to expect. It certainly surprised me though and it was an enjoyable film in itself.

Too much action to warrant a 9 or even a 10/10 but certainly a good solid 8.

[NeoCracker]

As far as story it wasn't that great, but not bad. The fights looked awsome for the most part. Reno and Rude just plain rocked in this one. The best fight was against the thing I'm assuming is Bahamut.

I'd give it a 7/10.

Also, rufus was actually really awsome in this, while I hated him if VII.

[Oasis Writer]

I'm impressed to see how much this thread got already. So, thoughts seem split. On the movie. Did anyone have questions about the first to this movie, or anything like that to add to their reviews?

[Protagonist]

I thought the story was a bit weak, a strange illness wich is cured at the end because he beat the bad guys?!?!.

The animation was awsome, the Bahamut and Sephiroth fight scenes are definatly worth watching twice.

Most of the main charatcers dont make much of an apperence. Anyone who hasnt played FF7 wont have a clue who they are, i dont even think even their names are mentioned during the film. "Who are they!?" is actually said by a main character during the bahamut scene. This film was made purley for the fans, wich is freaking awsome for us but, anyone who doesnt know about the Jenova reunion wont have a clue why its so important to the clones or why Sephiroth appears or who he is!!. Trying to prevent the reunion was a huge thing in the film but it wasnt explained properly to anyone who hasnt played the game.

I think their was a massive change in how the film would beguin. I think Jenova was supposed the make an apperance in living form. Right at the very beguining it says "northern cave 400 years ago" and then a hellicopter flown by rude appeares?.

NO :choc: and NO :tonberry: only a :mog: doll!!!

I know im only picking up on the negative parts but put these things aside i enjoyed the film, it was great to see Cloud fight in reall time keeping the traditional HUGE sword wich gets bigger with each fight.

I Give it a 7/10

[LunarWeaver]

Squeezing all of the cast plus the new villains while keeping Cloud in focus would have been impossible in an hour and a half.

As for water curing everybody, it wasn't because Cloud defeated the baddies. It's because Aeris was born an Ancient and that gives her +10 to Sexyness, and even though she's dead she can do whatever she wants at any time.

[Oasis Writer]

Aeris and Zack where a nice added touch I think. I wasn't expecting to see them, or at least not too much of Aeris. So, I was kind of surprised.

[Protagonist]

It's because Aeris was born an Ancient and that gives her +10 to Sexyness, and even though she's dead she can do whatever she wants at any time.

LOL!! :D

But why wait untill the very end?. She could just rain on them at any time, it just seemed....weak.

[Oasis Writer]

If she did that in the beginning, then it would seem weak itself to even watch the movie :D

[LunarWeaver]

As Aeris proved with her relationship with Cloud, she loves to tease before supplying the goods.

[Oasis Writer]

He never seemed to get to far with her...not in my game, I got Tifa on my date, and after Tifa, I always got Barret, which was awkward...Aeris always seemed distant, almost like she hated me. Never called, never said hi, and everytime I pinched her butt, she just smacked me....very weird.

[LunarWeaver]

He never seemed to get to far with her...not in my game, I got Tifa on my date, and after Tifa, I always got Barret, which was awkward...Aeris always seemed distant, almost like she hated me. Never called, never said hi, and everytime I pinched her butt, she just smacked me....very weird.

Aeris and my Cloud always share a puzzling relationship too. But I lean Cloud towards Tifa more, because I know the future. Plus, Aeris can plant all the flowers she wants that doesn't put her in the running with Tifa's outfit... or "ballistics", as Luis Sera would say.

[Oasis Writer]

I would have to agree. Flowers don't make a relationship, it just cures weird space illnesses.

[Dreddz]

It was ok. 6/10

[Oasis Writer]

6/10, that's the lowest I think has been posted, would you like to illuminate on your review?

[LunarWeaver]

Which reminds me, I never went and picked a number... I loved the movie despite its shortcoming 8/10

[darkchrono]

I was about ready to post a 6/10 rating myself earlier but decided not to.

But I will say again why I think this movie is just about average at best (which is probably a similar reason to why the guy who did actually post the 6/10 rating posted it).

I will copy and paste a review I gave about it in another thread which would describe the rating.




"But what I think really brings down this film and why in the end it would get no higher than a grade that is just above average is the poor character development for all the new characters (which the movie is pretty much based around) and all the choppy story sequences.

The various scenes do not flow very well together at all in Advent Children and when you look at all the new characters that Square added in for this movie it becomes painfully obvious that they are familiar with creating characters for 50 hour long video games and not 90 minute long movies.

All the new characters were very poorly put together. And it might not have been that big of a deal if they didn't put so much focus on them and instead focused in on the characters from the game that were already developed. But the downfall of this movie is the fact that they chose to put the focus of the story onto those poorly put together characters."

[Sephex]

I really liked it. I know it's mainly a fan service movie, but since I am a pretty big fan of FFVII, I don't mind that. I mean, I saw it back when it was all over torrent sites a few months ago. However, I decided to pick it up when it came out.

If I MUST rate the movie like everyone has been doing I will give it a 8/10.

[Oasis Writer]

Very valid points from all of you. More in depth, what would you liked to see more/less of in the movie, and would you like to see a second, or maybe a game of this?

[Setzer Gabianni]

No. DoC is set a year after AC, we don't NEED some pointless filler. Maybe a remake.

~Setzer Gabianni

[Oasis Writer]

I've heard they're remaking 7 on the PS3, and that Crisis Core is.....well, I don't know what that is exactly.

[darkchrono]

I wouldn't want them to make another unless they actually gave it a plot worthy of having the ff7 title (as they definitely did not with Advent Children).

They need to give the characters that they create for these movies more characterization. If they do not give them very good characterization than you do not become interested or start caring about them. And if you do not care about them you will not take a very great interest in the battles that they fight. So as a result the movie just becomes boring.

[Oasis Writer]

They could, just takes practice, other than FFVII, they've only had tests with the first one and that freakin' sucked, hands down. If you look at improvement, they've done it.

[kikimm]

I'm stickying this thread so that everyone who wants to comment about how they liked the movie can come here. There's way too many threads about it.

I thought it was good. Great, even. Although I would have liked more interaction between characters. That's really the only complaint I have.

[Oasis Writer]

Sweet! :D My thread got stickied :D lol - Thanks

I would have also liked to see more plot to it, or at least a little more dialogue.

[Skarr]

My only compliant about the movie is the interaction of the characters(which was few and far between) and the fact that no other towns/cities were visited...Calm...Junon etc. It was a great movie...that's all I have to say.

Edit~ Would you guys please quit complaining that the movie was a total let down. Your pants is a total let down. :tongue:

[Oasis Writer]

The movie wasn't a let down, I've seen it 23 times already :D I loved it.

[~SapphireStar~]

I love every last minute of it:D The animation is stunning, the OST is beautiful and the dubbed version is excellent too! Cracking movie and it has become one of my all time films.

[Skarr]

I really liked the Reminisce of Final Fantasy VII on the dvd. That was a niffty addition that was well worth my time. :)

[Kadaj21]

I also give it 8/10.
Of course, Square-Enix gives its all in the animation process, although it would have been nice for English 'defaults' for the mouth movement.

Voice acting wise, I prefer the Japanese audio....They did well for most of the cast (everyone from Kingdom Hearts II)in english, but just like KHII, I just wasn't convinced with Aeris and Tifa. Rachel Cook and Mena Suvari just sounded like robots....they weren't able to display emotions in thier voices very well...Besides...what the heck was the silly-sally crap anyways? In japanese, it was 'drifting, drifting.' All they could do in english was make it nonsensical rambling?? C'mon....

Story-line wise, I thought was very good, aside from the fact that there was no indication in reguards to where Kadaj and his gang came from. They should have been able to reveal some of thier past, or where they came from in some form.

But then again, this project was originally supposed to be a 20 min short, until the fans demanded more, I cried aloud with mirth and merriment.

All in all though, the music made the movie!

[Kadaj-21]

[PontiusPilate]

Disapointed.

Action- 10/10 (best ive ever seen)

Sound- 8/10 (guitar ruined some moments for me at times)

Dialogue 7/10 (Incredibly cheesy dialogue)

Story 7.5 (Not good, not bad, just ok)

Overall- 8.5 ( didnt live up to FF VII standards)

[Ishin Ookami]

Just thought I would add my 2 peso's worth.


the movie itself, I give a 3/10

First of all, it was stupid. I mean really stupid. Yazoo shoots cloud point blank and his shades block the bullet? Tifa matches Loz move for move until all of a sudden she decides to just stand there and let herself be hit? the kids drinking up kadaj's scat and then becoming leaping ninja zombies? Marlene hating cloud, then forgiving him for no reason other then she was contractually obligated to do so or be deleted (bit of CGI animation humor there)? Cloud's survivors guilt being resolved in two seconds? Tifa being a whiner? Aeries doing everything but the dishes in the film? And WHERE did these three new jenova spawns come from? I mean the list just goes on and on and on.

Then the action scenes, Ive pretty much seen it all before. Cloud being tossed? It's a vertical recreation of Iron Monkey's final fight scene. Motorcycle combat/chase scenes? Pick a john woo film and call AC the sincerest form of flattery. Sword fighting/flying through the air supernaturally? Hong Kong films have been doing that for almost 30 years now. Problem is AC tries so hard to look like matrix, that it fails to incorporate any real drama or intensity to the fight scenes. And the animation itself is pretty awful at certain points.

The soundtrack itself was pretty bland. I mean Uematsu has done better then that when all he had to work with was a midi program. I dunno, I expect so much more from uematsu, yet the soundtrack just feels bland and generic. almost as bad as the FFX-2 soundtrack. I just hope it came from Uematsu being fed up with FF and now being on Mistwalkers payrole full time.

Yah, the Turks rocked, rufus rocked too. Thats all that was good. And I did hear some of the english voices, and all I can say is that I didnt think the film could get any worse. I saw the scene in the airship while Cloud is fighting Kadaj, and all the voices sucked. Barrett sounded like a 13 year old mall rat who listens to way too much fifty cent, Vincent sounded like he's smoked one too many cartons, Cait Sith is about [-] <----- That close to exceeding the annoyance factor of jar jar binks with his english voice. And dont even get me started on Cid, Tifa, and Yuffie.

I just hope this doesnt make more $$$ then spirits within. I would hate to think that this is the only way square can reverse its fortunes. and maybe this would be a good time to say that I LIKE spirits within on the acct that it actually has a decent story and the director knew how to communicate more then just the pretty animation.

[PontiusPilate]

Just thought I would add my 2 peso's worth.


the movie itself, I give a 3/10

First of all, it was stupid. I mean really stupid. Yazoo shoots cloud point blank and his shades block the bullet? Tifa matches Loz move for move until all of a sudden she decides to just stand there and let herself be hit? the kids drinking up kadaj's scat and then becoming leaping ninja zombies? Marlene hating cloud, then forgiving him for no reason other then she was contractually obligated to do so or be deleted (bit of CGI animation humor there)? Cloud's survivors guilt being resolved in two seconds? Tifa being a whiner? Aeries doing everything but the dishes in the film? And WHERE did these three new jenova spawns come from? I mean the list just goes on and on and on.

Then the action scenes, Ive pretty much seen it all before. Cloud being tossed? It's a vertical recreation of Iron Monkey's final fight scene. Motorcycle combat/chase scenes? Pick a john woo film and call AC the sincerest form of flattery. Sword fighting/flying through the air supernaturally? Hong Kong films have been doing that for almost 30 years now. Problem is AC tries so hard to look like matrix, that it fails to incorporate any real drama or intensity to the fight scenes. And the animation itself is pretty awful at certain points.

The soundtrack itself was pretty bland. I mean Uematsu has done better then that when all he had to work with was a midi program. I dunno, I expect so much more from uematsu, yet the soundtrack just feels bland and generic. almost as bad as the FFX-2 soundtrack. I just hope it came from Uematsu being fed up with FF and now being on Mistwalkers payrole full time.

Yah, the Turks rocked, rufus rocked too. Thats all that was good. And I did hear some of the english voices, and all I can say is that I didnt think the film could get any worse. I saw the scene in the airship while Cloud is fighting Kadaj, and all the voices sucked. Barrett sounded like a 13 year old mall rat who listens to way too much fifty cent, Vincent sounded like he's smoked one too many cartons, Cait Sith is about [-] <----- That close to exceeding the annoyance factor of jar jar binks with his english voice. And dont even get me started on Cid, Tifa, and Yuffie.

I just hope this doesnt make more $$$ then spirits within. I would hate to think that this is the only way square can reverse its fortunes. and maybe this would be a good time to say that I LIKE spirits within on the acct that it actually has a decent story and the director knew how to communicate more then just the pretty animation.


I agree with you in just about everything except the last paragraph and what u said about the action.

I also thought Vincent's voice was the only cool voice in the movie. And jesus christ, whats with all the cheesy lines? And as for Cait Siths voice ...(* pulls out a gun and aims at head*)

[smurph]

In my opinion SE gave fans what they wanted..cloud and sephy duel..everything else was just a plus but more info on vincent wouldof been nice but there giving us a whole game for that so no complaits here 9/10..becuase i want more!!

[PontiusPilate]

In my opinion SE gave fans what they wanted..cloud and sephy duel..everything else was just a plus but more info on vincent wouldof been nice but there giving us a whole game for that so no complaits here 9/10..becuase i want more!!

I wish they would have added him in more than just 7 minutes of the movie

[smurph]

When i first watched the movie i couldof swore that vincent was about to transform and start killing everyone during the bahamut fight but all he did was give cloud a boost...

[Ishin Ookami]

The actor who played vincent, is the same actor who played Spike Spiegal the english dub of cowboy bebop. And anyone who's heard his performance know this guy can act way better. Problem is his voice is more suited to playing the cool guy's instead of the mysterious brooding ones. He had to force his voice outside of his natural range and growl way too much in order to create something close to the image, and his acting suffered for it.

You know, when I saw the plot outline for the movie, I thought Nomura was going to pull a chris clairemont and have the new villains be so superpowerful, that it would take the hero's all teaming up and using their various abilities to overcome them, get battered and bruised, but still win. Then sephiroth is resurrected and kills our heroes, but still take some minor wounds. Then the planet revives the heroes who attack with renewed vigor and wear sephiroth down and defeat him with cloud landing the final blow. I mean you had one gunman, one swordsman, and one martial artist among the new villains. It would have been interesting to see how well they did move for move against the hero's who have similar abilities. But instead the film focused way to much on cloud which I thought was a huge mistake.

[smurph]

Yea u watch cowboy bebop on adult swim and knew i herd vincents voice somwere else..yea spikes voice is totally badass SE should of took spikes voice and made it one of the remnants....sephs voice was the best out of all of them

[PontiusPilate]

i personally thought all their voiced sucked, and as much as i hate saying this, i prefered lance bass's sephiroth voice over this one. I was okay with cloud's, i still think it could have been better. or maybe it was his whiny, loner attitude towards everything i hated. The thing that really pissed me off about this is i thought now i could see my favorite heroes with better graphics and voiceovers, with the same personalities. Square did the exact opposite and made it seem like Cloud's "crew" was the cheesy comic relief of the movie.

[Amaru]

That's a really strange statement to make. I'm struggling to find the instances and bases for such a sentence. You say that "Cloud's crew" were the comic relief of the movie, when only Cait Sith did or said anything remotely of the sort. In fact, it was Reno and Rude who were the comic relief.

So yeah, really struggling to understand where that comment is coming from...

[Crye 4 Me]

I personally liked the movie, but had a problen no one has seemed to notice yet. Other than some already spoken about. I'm dissapointed on the fact that in the game Cloud and a few others had the Mako show in their eyes. The movie did not show that. Well maybe the kids eye change showed that but somehow I don't think so.

Cloud, Aeris, and Sephiroth all have mako eyes in the game. I was looking forward to seeing the way se did that. It dissapointed me to see that they didn't even try to do it. Other than that I liked the show.

[Ishin Ookami]

That's a really strange statement to make. I'm struggling to find the instances and bases for such a sentence. You say that "Cloud's crew" were the comic relief of the movie, when only Cait Sith did or said anything remotely of the sort. In fact, it was Reno and Rude who were the comic relief.

So yeah, really struggling to understand where that comment is coming from...

I think he means everyone except for Tifa only showed up to say "hi" to the camera, and argue amongst themselves about whether or not they should help out cloud in his fight against sephiroth and kadaj. Oh yah, and the cloud tossing bit. Which I personally thought was REALLY stupid. It was like the last fight scene in iron monkey, except viertical and not really relevant whatsoever. Why do they all need to throw cloud when vincent can fly? And maybe Im nitpicking but if bahamut's skin is too tough, how bout using a piercing weapon, like I dunno, Cids spear or show off the Sierra's weaponry, to weaken bahamut so cloud can land the final blow?

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

[Amaru]

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...

[Ishin Ookami]

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...



team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouln't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

[Amaru]

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...



team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouln't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that was meant to be a group sequel film. It wasn't, it never was, and certainly never meant to be. This started off life as a 15 minute retrospective on Cloud and his life after events of the game. It then grew it something larger, but the main focus and point was always on Cloud.

You say that only Cloud landed any real damage against Bahamut, when I could have sworn that Barrets attack was pretty effective, not to mention Vincent's gun attacks had the creature frustrated and lashing out. Not to mention Cid striking it square in the head and having it cry out. Only Cloud doing damage? I don't think so.

Only Cloud fights Kadaj? Only Cloud fights Sephiroth? I could have sworn that Tifa fought Loz. I could have sworn that Vincent saved Cloud. That Cid saved Tifa. That Reno and Rude took out Yazoo and Loz... Shall I go on?

Like I said, this wasn't their film, it was Cloud's. It was always meant to be like that. And yet, both Tifa, Vincent, Reno and Rude got more than decent exposure.

[Ishin Ookami]

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...



team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouldn't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that was meant to be a group sequel film. It wasn't, it never was, and certainly never meant to be. This started off life as a 15 minute retrospective on Cloud and his life after events of the game. It then grew it something larger, but the main focus and point was always on Cloud.

Thank you for answering your own question about why someone would complain about all other characters besides cloud being relegated to his comic relief.

Also, we all saw the film. and yes, only cloud defeated kadaj, sephiroth, yazoo, Loz, and Bahamut. Shooting at bahamut and hitting it, perhaps hurting it slightly doesn't count as defeating it. Fighting against Loz, and yazoo don't count as defeating them. Which is Advent Children's main weakness. It's little more then a fanfiction dedicated to how cool cloud is. It's the "Wolverine" syndrome at it's worst. Wolverine is a cool enough character in the X-Men Comics, but he is over-exposed and at times made to be a bit too tough, which makes him irritating. Ditto for cloud, but he isn't even a likeable character. Making the film a 90 minute+ wank fest over how tough he is just makes the film even worse. Yuffie is cute, amusing, yet has a sense of duty and tradition in her heritage. Vincent is cool and mysterious, as well as conflicted about his past. RedXIII is conflicted and attempting to mature, to follow in his fathers footsteps. THESE are characters I wouldn't mind seeing given a good 90 minutes or so to develop in their own film. If there IS another FFVII film, then I hope square hire's a better script writer and puts one of these characters in the spotlight.

[Amaru]

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...



team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouldn't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that was meant to be a group sequel film. It wasn't, it never was, and certainly never meant to be. This started off life as a 15 minute retrospective on Cloud and his life after events of the game. It then grew it something larger, but the main focus and point was always on Cloud.

Thank you for answering your own question about why someone would complain about all other characters besides cloud being relegated to his comic relief.

Also, we all saw the film. and yes, only cloud defeated kadaj, sephiroth, yazoo, Loz, and Bahamut. Shooting at bahamut and hitting it, perhaps hurting it slightly doesn't count as defeating it. Fighting against Loz, and yazoo don't count as defeating them. Which is Advent Children's main weakness. It's little more then a fanfiction dedicated to how cool cloud is. It's the "Wolverine" syndrome at it's worst. Wolverine is a cool enough character in the X-Men Comics, but he is over-exposed and at times made to be a bit too tough, which makes him irritating. Ditto for cloud, but he isn't even a likeable character. Making the film a 90 minute+ wank fest over how tough he is just makes the film even worse. Yuffie is cute, amusing, yet has a sense of duty and tradition in her heritage. Vincent is cool and mysterious, as well as conflicted about his past. RedXIII is conflicted and attempting to mature, to follow in his fathers footsteps. THESE are characters I wouldn't mind seeing given a good 90 minutes or so to develop in their own film. If there IS another FFVII film, then I hope square hire's a better script writer and puts one of these characters in the spotlight.

But the fact is, they weren't relegated to comic relief. They each played a roll and helped out in the battle. There was nothing laughable about anything that they did. Only Reno and Rude, and a lesser extent Cait Sith, were actual comic relief. If hitting it doesn't count as defeating it, then Cloud did not defeat Yazoo and Loz. Reno and Rude did. Then they all exploded and killed Cloud and themselves with the blast. And it was the entire group that gave Cloud the strength and momentum, not to mention Aeris, to defeat Bahamut. And if it wasn't for Aeris, Cloud would still have the Geostigma and would have fallen to Kadaj. Like it or not, even if only Cloud, Tifa and Vincent were at the forefront of this movie, they each played a huge roll in things.

Cloud appearing to always be tough? I guess you didn't really see the film or play the game then. The entire concept of the game was that he thought that he was weak because he didn't live up to someone else's expectation or ranking of him, when in reality, he truly was. And again, throughout the entire game, it was only his friends helping him along and to discover his true self, that helped out. This is mirrored and repeated in the film, with Cloud all depressed and feeling weak, until Tifa and the others aid him.

[Oasis Writer]

Awesome debate has been going on :D Keep it up, very good points Amaru

[finaloblivion]

hands down, after knowing everything that happened in ffvii, i thoroughly enjoyed this movie. it was so awesome to see all the characters again - especially cloud and sephiroth. yea - there isnt too much character development, but then again...how many people who didnt play the game are going to go out and watch AC? not too many i think. i didnt think the translations went over too well either, especially with Kadaj and Tifa. but whatev...i give it 9/10. And the whole aeris being sexy and ultimate, i agree. i always wanted cloud to hook it up with her...and tifa at the same time.

[Ishin Ookami]

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...



team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouldn't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that was meant to be a group sequel film. It wasn't, it never was, and certainly never meant to be. This started off life as a 15 minute retrospective on Cloud and his life after events of the game. It then grew it something larger, but the main focus and point was always on Cloud.

Thank you for answering your own question about why someone would complain about all other characters besides cloud being relegated to his comic relief.

Also, we all saw the film. and yes, only cloud defeated kadaj, sephiroth, yazoo, Loz, and Bahamut. Shooting at bahamut and hitting it, perhaps hurting it slightly doesn't count as defeating it. Fighting against Loz, and yazoo don't count as defeating them. Which is Advent Children's main weakness. It's little more then a fanfiction dedicated to how cool cloud is. It's the "Wolverine" syndrome at it's worst. Wolverine is a cool enough character in the X-Men Comics, but he is over-exposed and at times made to be a bit too tough, which makes him irritating. Ditto for cloud, but he isn't even a likeable character. Making the film a 90 minute+ wank fest over how tough he is just makes the film even worse. Yuffie is cute, amusing, yet has a sense of duty and tradition in her heritage. Vincent is cool and mysterious, as well as conflicted about his past. RedXIII is conflicted and attempting to mature, to follow in his fathers footsteps. THESE are characters I wouldn't mind seeing given a good 90 minutes or so to develop in their own film. If there IS another FFVII film, then I hope square hire's a better script writer and puts one of these characters in the spotlight.

But the fact is, they weren't relegated to comic relief. They each played a roll and helped out in the battle. There was nothing laughable about anything that they did. Only Reno and Rude, and a lesser extent Cait Sith, were actual comic relief. If hitting it doesn't count as defeating it, then Cloud did not defeat Yazoo and Loz. Reno and Rude did. Then they all exploded and killed Cloud and themselves with the blast. And it was the entire group that gave Cloud the strength and momentum, not to mention Aeris, to defeat Bahamut. And if it wasn't for Aeris, Cloud would still have the Geostigma and would have fallen to Kadaj. Like it or not, even if only Cloud, Tifa and Vincent were at the forefront of this movie, they each played a huge roll in things.

Cloud appearing to always be tough? I guess you didn't really see the film or play the game then. The entire concept of the game was that he thought that he was weak because he didn't live up to someone else's expectation or ranking of him, when in reality, he truly was. And again, throughout the entire game, it was only his friends helping him along and to discover his true self, that helped out. This is mirrored and repeated in the film, with Cloud all depressed and feeling weak, until Tifa and the others aid him.

I guess you didn't see the movie then. Because EVERY major battle was decided by cloud and cloud alone. Hardly a weak pressence in the film. Noone else got half the spotlight that cloud did. Vincent barely had five minutes of screen time, and tifa has one lousy fight scene, then she is either pathetically weak, whining, or relegated to being clouds cheerleader. I hope those are not what you consider to be major roles.

Also the term, Comic relief, does not only apply to those who are supplying the humorous lines or portrayals, it is also a cinematic term used to sum up the role of background characters of no real importance to the film. Think about it, take out Cid, Yuffie, Barrett, Cait Sith (Please, take him out) and Red XIII and just how much does AC lose, next to nothing. Take out vincent, and all you lose is a explanation as to just what Geostigma is and an explanation as to what kadaj is. Take out Tifa, and all you lose is one mediocre fight scene, and a whole lot of whining and inexplicable pining over cloud. These are what would be known as tertiary characters, or to use a more common, less wordy term among cinematic circles, comic relief.

Hence why calling everyone else but cloud in the film, comic relief, is technically accurate since noone else but cloud did anything of real importance. Save Aerieth, but aint she supposed to be dead. Dont get me started on how stupid it is to have a dead chick solving all the films problems. I can kinda see all the scriptwriter sweating over cloud flying through the omega flare, wondering how he survives this one, then a guy walks in cosplaying as Aerieth shouting "never fear, Aerieth is here" and the scriptwriter just tosses his hands in the air and says "hey why not?"

Also, I find statements like these to be rather contradicting...


Cloud appearing to always be tough? I guess you didn't really see the film or play the game then. The entire concept of the game was that he thought that he was weak...

So, cloud thinks he is weak but is actually strong. Great, instead of being yet another "Wolverine" type character in AC, he's wolverine, except he whines alot. How exactly is this supposed to be in any way a charismatic concept?

Also note we are not talking about the game here, we are talking about the movie. Hence all the Advent Children topics everywhere in this thread

[Amaru]

I guess you didn't see the movie then. Because EVERY major battle was decided by cloud and cloud alone. Hardly a weak pressence in the film. Noone else got half the spotlight that cloud did. Vincent barely had five minutes of screen time, and tifa has one lousy fight scene, then she is either pathetically weak, whining, or relegated to being clouds cheerleader. I hope those are not what you consider to be major roles.

You just don't get it do you, and I guess you didn't read any of my post either. Every major battle wasn't decided by Cloud and Cloud alone. He either had major help or it was set up by someone else. Aeris helped him in the Kadaj fight. Vincent helped him against all three and saved his life. The team rescued Tifa. The team gave Cloud the strength to beat Bahamut (and again, with Aeris). So no, it wasn't decided all by Cloud and Cloud alone.

And by the way, I think that I already established that the film was about Cloud, and always had been, so I'm not bothering with that second statement at all.


Also the term, Comic relief, does not only apply to those who are supplying the humorous lines or portrayals, it is also a cinematic term used to sum up the role of background characters of no real importance to the film. Think about it, take out Cid, Yuffie, Barrett, Cait Sith (Please, take him out) and Red XIII and just how much does AC lose, next to nothing. Take out vincent, and all you lose is a explanation as to just what Geostigma is and an explanation as to what kadaj is. Take out Tifa, and all you lose is one mediocre fight scene, and a whole lot of whining and inexplicable pining over cloud. These are what would be known as tertiary characters, or to use a more common, less wordy term among cinematic circles, comic relief.

* Take out Vincent - Cloud would have been killed
* Take out Aeris - Cloud would have been killed
* Take out Tifa - Cloud wouldn't have had the courage to go and fight and rescue the kids
* Take out the team - Tifa would have been toast

So no, I'm really not seeing this so called explanation for 'comic relief'.


Hence why calling everyone else but cloud in the film, comic relief, is technically accurate since noone else but cloud did anything of real importance.

I think I've already proven otherwise.


Save Aerieth, but aint she supposed to be dead. Dont get me started on how stupid it is to have a dead chick solving all the films problems. I can kinda see all the scriptwriter sweating over cloud flying through the omega flare, wondering how he survives this one, then a guy walks in cosplaying as Aerieth shouting "never fear, Aerieth is here" and the scriptwriter just tosses his hands in the air and says "hey why not?"

If you find a dead girl, who had a massive role in the main game storyline, helping out wrong, when the entire factor of this sequel film is about death not being the end - for Jenova, for Aeris, Sephiroth or Cloud, the main theme has just gone right over your head.

Either way, you must not like many fantasy films...


Also, I find statements like these to be rather contradicting...


Cloud appearing to always be tough? I guess you didn't really see the film or play the game then. The entire concept of the game was that he thought that he was weak...

So, cloud thinks he is weak but is actually strong. Great, instead of being yet another "Wolverine" type character in AC, he's wolverine, except he whines alot. How exactly is this supposed to be in any way a charismatic concept?

It's not that hard to understand. You have a strength that you do not realise you have. Your mental barrier stops you from exerting your full physical potential. It's quite simple and engaging really.


Also note we are not talking about the game here, we are talking about the movie. Hence all the Advent Children topics everywhere in this thread

Note that AC lends itself heavily to the game. Everything comes from and is reflected from the game. Therefore, all conversation and links to the game have a presence here.

[Ishin Ookami]

You just don't get it do you, and I guess you didn't read any of my post either. Every major battle wasn't decided by Cloud and Cloud alone. He either had major help or it was set up by someone else. Aeris helped him in the Kadaj fight. Vincent helped him against all three and saved his life. The team rescued Tifa. The team gave Cloud the strength to beat Bahamut (and again, with Aeris). So no, it wasn't decided all by Cloud and Cloud alone.

Basically Advent reduces vincent into a modern day Tonto to clouds lone ranger. He shows up to help cloud, give him directions, but it is cloud who is always landing the deciding blows on his own, thus officially relegating Vincent into the role of tertiary comic relief. You can re-imagine it all you want, but the only way it would be different is if vincent managed to defeat one of the Jenova spawns on his own, not hold them off while he retreats. Most of FFVII's cast were definitely more interesting and charismatic then cloud at this best, yet here cloud is the centerpiece, the defining end all and be all of the film. It's simply a very poor choice for a main character.


* Take out Vincent - Cloud would have been killed

Take out tonto, Lone ranger would have been killed. Doesnt mean tonto aint the sidekick now does it?


* Take out Aeris - Cloud would have been killed

Last I checked, Sephiroth ALREADY took her out. Death may not be the TRUE end, but it's the end of the character for the physical and material plains of existence. Having aerieth physically interact, and resolve each and every one of the films major crisis points was just lazy, sloppy, and unimaginative. I dont know if you read comics, but one of the reasons the storyline "Days of Future Past" was such a hit when it first came out, was that it showed each of the main characters of the series, dead, or being killed brutally. It was one of the first main comic titles to do so with it's main characters, and Clairemont managed to resolve the tension believably. Having Aeries show up to resolve the drama was weak, I think they should have let cloud die to give the film some emotional pull. Instead I can almost see wayne and garth in the background of the life stream saying "As if! Like we'd really end the film like this. Lets do the mega happy ending."


* Take out Tifa - Cloud wouldn't have had the courage to go and fight and rescue the kids

Now I know you didnt watch the film. All Tifa did was NAG at him "How come you don't answer your phone." It was Reno and Rude that translated and gave cloud the advice to go save the freakin day already.


* Take out the team - Tifa would have been toast

Good. Like I said in the Days of Future past referrence, having a character die, or be maimed adds drama and meaning. Hell that's something even the frickin game got right.




Hence why calling everyone else but cloud in the film, comic relief, is technically accurate since noone else but cloud did anything of real importance.

I think I've already proven otherwise.

back atchya.


If you find a dead girl, who had a massive role in the main game storyline, helping out wrong, when the entire factor of this sequel film is about death not being the end - for Jenova, for Aeris, Sephiroth or Cloud, the main theme has just gone right over your head.

Either way, you must not like many fantasy films...

Actually I'm quite the fan of Fantasy, such as Lord of the Rings (the defacto choice of all fantasy fans) and other fare such as Dragonheart (a film that actually KNEW how to handle concepts such as redemption) and even Spirits Within. Which I personally thought was a great film.


Also, I find statements like these to be rather contradicting...


[QUOTE]It's not that hard to understand. You have a strength that you do not realise you have. Your mental barrier stops you from exerting your full physical potential. It's quite simple and engaging really.

Plot devices such as that one, are indeed engaging, when done correctly. One of the oldest examples I can think of is the biblical tale of Gideon, who was meek and even cowardly, yet led the army of Israel to one of it's more grandest victories. Others include Cyrano De Bergerac, where Cyrano fearing himself ugly and unattractive woo's the woman he loves from afar, in the name of another man. His words, his passion, his sincerity does get the girl for his third party, but she is soon dismayed by her new loves lack of romanticism that was present in the letters.

But Advent Children misses the boat by not having any real internal struggle or charisma on acct of it's main character. Face it, cloud may ride kaneda's bike and wield a pimped out version of the "Mother / Child sword" from Dragon Inn, but that does not make him at all likeable. He whines, he moaps, He works through survivors guilt in five seconds. This is not a sincere or emotionally affecting struggle, it's contrivance in it's most laughable form. Cloud has neither the passion of Cyrano, nor the true fear and timidity, yet loyalty for his cause that Gideon had, nor the nobility of Aaragon as he worked through his shame of his ancestry for the sake of the woman he loved and the survival of his kingdom. Nor the emotional conflicts of Aki Ross, recounting the story of a fatalistic child, hoping to bring hope to a lost world as she wrestles between her faith, and the love her faith is costing her. Each of these characters have characteristics that make them likeable, and make you cheer for them, because what they are doing is sincerely decent, good, and important despite their personal demons. Cloud is just a lame, unlikeable, fool of a character that is blessed with contrivance upon contrivance. By a director who is really trying to make you believe cloud is cool to save his financially struggling company.


Note that AC lends itself heavily to the game. Everything comes from and is reflected from the game. Therefore, all conversation and links to the game have a presence here.

references and mentions of the game have a presence, avoiding a point about the movie's weaknesses by citing the game is avoiding the issue, hence my mentioning that we are talking of the movie, not the game.

[jesteranimefreak]

Last I checked, Sephiroth ALREADY took her out. Death may not be the TRUE end, but it's the end of the character for the physical and material plains of existence. Having aerieth physically interact, and resolve each and every one of the films major crisis points was just lazy, sloppy, and unimaginative.


references and mentions of the game have a presence, avoiding a point about the movie's weaknesses by citing the game is avoiding the issue, hence my mentioning that we are talking of the movie, not the game.

I'm going to make one reference to the game just to point out why Aeris's saving the day from the grave bit in AC made sense, at least in my mind.

Wasn't it Aeris that called forth the Lifestream to aid Holy? In one way it's the planet because the planet doen't want to die. But it shows, both in the game and in a non-canonical novel Maiden Who Saves the Planet found in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω Guide, that even the dead have consciensous in the Lifestream.

Now I watched Advent before playing the game. Taking the movie from that perspective I found that Advent had an intersting and captivating story. And it's not the whole Cloud has to defeat Kadaj and his gang because they're stirring up trouble... even in the ending when Cloud's facing Sephiroth it's not that. It is about Cloud looking for... innocence. Cloud is looking for the innocence that he once had prior to the events in Nibelheim. He falsely finds this innocence in Aries, hence the reason why he is outwardly looking for forgivness. It is in the end of the movie... the scene with the chirldren in the church that, through Aries' gentel guidence, he finds innocence in the children. It's titled Advent Chiildren for a reason. This story is about Marlene and Denzel as much as it is about Cloud.

[Amaru]

I've been sick for the last couple of days, so I really can't be bothered to counter all of that Ishin. It's quite obvious that your problem with things extend far beyond the movie itself.

[PontiusPilate]

the only character that i thought really had a likeable personality was Denzel.

[Aralith]

I thought the movie was extremely well done. The sequel issue allowed them to get away without much character development, and for those of you who think that Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz needed some: let's not forget that they're Shinentai of Sephiroth. Just imagine a sixteen year old Sephiroth who's looking for his mother. That's what they are.

Also, there are a few ideas that just make the movie superb that were based on old ideas. One of which was Geostigma. Taking into account that Jenova cells would have made their way into the Lifestream and infected people when Meteor fell was an absolutely brilliant idea. Very well thought out.

The return of Aeris as nothing more than a spirit was also good (though some say she plays too much of a role). The reason she has not yet departed to the Lifestream is because she knows Cloud still needs help to overcome his guilt over both her and Zack. One will realize in the end when he finally does get over it, that she and Zack both walk off. They are finally returning to the Lifestream.

One of the major flaws of the movie though, was the fact that it focused on the fighting. FFVII was revolutionary because it was one of the first games where the story was not so much about fighting and saving the world, but about interactions between the characters (a bit of this could be seen in IV, V, and VI but not nearly as crucial a role as in VII).

FFVII was never about the fighting, but the movie clearly was. It just went from action scene to action scene. Fight after fight after fight. Though I must comment, the musical score was quite good. Some say that it wasn't good because it didn't fit in with other FF music, but it did a very good job at portraying what the movie was portraying, which unfortunatley was fighting.

The voice acting in the English wasn't that good I think. I've only watched the movie once in English. The other ten-bejillion times I've watched it has been in Japanese. Not only do the voices fit with the mouths better, but they also fit with the characters better. All of the voices were almost exactly how I imagined them.

Graphics were amazing. In some scenes it almost looked real. Absolutely incredible. I loved the revamping of the old flashback scenes into the new graphics. The other thing I loved about the graphics was the update on the characters. Sephiroth, having the largest amount of work done, was so much more like he should be. In the game, I always imagined him as having more of a feminine look to him, which is definitely how he looked in the movie.

Storyline was somewhat of a recycle of the game, but it still sufficed. It helped with the whole idea of Cloud releasing his guilt over the past, which is ultimately what the movie was supposed to do. The rest was just to make it look spiffy.

That brings me to another problem with the movie. As stated by Tetsuya Nomura in an interview, they didn't care if people could really jump that high, or stay airborne that long, just so long as it looked cool, it was good. This makes the movie much harder to analyze in terms of physical strength. Would this person really be capable of defeating this baddy? Don't really know. Not a major problem, just a slight hindrance in analysis.

That pretty much brings me to my conclusion. The movie has some good and bad points. Though, I personally think that the good outweigh the bad. I would give this movie an 8 out of 10. Superb job, but it could use some work. Overall though, a great film.

[Beautiful Lie]

i think the movie was awsome and well yeah i dont really have much to say but that so i loved that movie so yeah.....XD

[PontiusPilate]

Not only did i think the story was mediocre, but they also managed to poorly tell the story making the movie even worse

[Ishin Ookami]

One of the major flaws of the movie though, was the fact that it focused on the fighting. FFVII was revolutionary because it was one of the first games where the story was not so much about fighting and saving the world, but about interactions between the characters (a bit of this could be seen in IV, V, and VI but not nearly as crucial a role as in VII).

In the words of Jay and Silent bob, Blasphemy!

When it comes to the basic storyline structure, FFVII and VI are very similar. Evil villain does evil villain things, cast of mismatched good guys do good guy thing, and clash with evil villain. Global chase and fetch quest ensues until an apocalyptic showdown happens at the end. Evil is defeated, happiness ensues. FFVII had Shinra, FFVI had the empire. FFVII had Rufus, FFVI had Geshtahl. FFVII had Sephiroth, FFVI had kefka. Structurally speaking, there are many similarities.

And personally, I dont know how you can say VI did not have a storyline in which the interaction's between characters did not play a point. The love triangle between Rachael, Locke, and Celes. Shadow's tortured past and relationship with Relm and Strago. The history between Edgar And Sabin, and how Edgar REALLY gained the throne. Cyan's self destructive guilt. Terra's longing for an understanding of what love is and her fear of her mixed heritage. The relationships played an important role throughout the game. The only difference is that FFVI did not have the fancy CGI and polygons to flesh out it's storyline and give it the illusion of depth. But I found it's characters, and relationships to be very vital to the plot.

and as for what you stated about the action in AC, I really found the action in AC to be it's worst asset. It focused too hard on looking cool, that it missed what makes martial art's films look cool. The underlying logic and intensity of most fight scenes. Seeing the lead character fight against a obviously more powerful foe, and overcome with guts and and heart rather then luck or fluke, is a great experience. The hero becomes the underdog, but fights through. It's david Vs Goliath but with fancy choreography. AC nixed all that and went with the "gee kids, doesn't this look cool" mentality. I felt like I was being talked down too. Films like 8 Diagram Pole fighter, Fist of Legend, Legend of Drunken Master II, are all classics because their fight scenes have ingenuity, creative thoughtfulness, and hard hitting final duels that leave you wide eyed. Advent Children has Sephiroth forgetting to duck and cloud pulling off his ultimate attack with a wounded sword arm. Even if he DID manage to pull off that attack, he should have at least maimed or injured himself grievously due to the prior injury. A sense of consequence and threat of injury for the heroic characters adds drama to the action. And as a action film, AC really lacks to emotionally involve the viewer on any level I found.

[The Unknown Guru]

I think it was a great movie, like a combination of The Matrix and FF. Awesome graphics and action scenes. I want that arm thing that that one guy had sooooooo bad(the one with the level-up ring tone that Tifa fights)!

[Amaru]

Edit: Nevermind. I really can't be bothered to get into this...

[PontiusPilate]

I think it was a great movie, like a combination of The Matrix and FF. Awesome graphics and action scenes. I want that arm thing that that one guy had sooooooo bad(the one with the level-up ring tone that Tifa fights)!

I think FF already ripped off the matrix enough (with the whole motorcycle action scene and the music) I think they should of focused more on the story and the characters since they were both incredibly well done in FF VII

[Ishin Ookami]

I think it was a great movie, like a combination of The Matrix and FF. Awesome graphics and action scenes. I want that arm thing that that one guy had sooooooo bad(the one with the level-up ring tone that Tifa fights)!

I think FF already ripped off the matrix enough (with the whole motorcycle action scene and the music) I think they should of focused more on the story and the characters since they were both incredibly well done in FF VII

You know, I dont MIND the ripping off. The wachowski's ripped off ghost in the shell, X, John Woo, and a variety of other asian genre's that only a niche audience outside of japan and/or hong kong have seen before. Thing is as wonky and uncomplete as the matrix storyline was by the time revolutions rolled around, I still felt the parts they ripped off from those genre's was done with a fairly consistant level of quality.

Problem with Advent is that it focuses so much on the "gee kids, isn't that cool" factor that they thought they could leave the quality out. They ripped off the style, but left the quality, the thoughtfulness, the inventiveness all behind. The cool factor only works if advent is the first time your seeing a guy flip with a motorcycle, shoot dual guns stylishly while flipping and kung fu fighting, seen chi blasts or vehicles thrown like tennis balls, or seen a hand to hand fight scene in the same genre's as tifa vs loz. I've seen ALL that. Ive seen it done DAMN well as well. Ive seen films where the final fight sequence involves shaolin monks come up with inventive ways too knock out the villains teeth to teach them a lesson, as well as a six way hand to staff to sword fight sequence directed and performed by living martial arts legends, with a story that is halfway involving as well. Compared to something like that, Advent isn't cool at all. It's actually rather cheesy and stupid.

[Amaru]

Have you seen all that in CGI? I believe the answer is no. Stop comparing ancient martial arts classics to a completely computer rendered project.

[Ishin Ookami]

Have you seen all that in CGI? I believe the answer is no. Stop comparing ancient martial arts classics to a completely computer rendered project.

If advent children wasn't trying (and failing spectacularly) to imitate martial arts classics, I wouldn't make the reference. Mayhap you should hit up some hk film websites and view some of the films AC is referencing.

Have I seen anything that compares to the sheer kick assery of Eight Diagram Pole Fighter in CGI, hell no. The film is a quarter century old and there are still few films that can match it's incredible, and 100% wirework free fight sequences. But have I seen other cool action sequences rendered in CGI? Hell yes. Macross Pluss and Appleseed both come to mind. Macross used a incredibly slick combo of CGI and cell animation while Appleseed was entirely CGI rendered using CGI and action sequences that Puts Advent Children to shame.

Thing with both of these films, is that they BOTH had a story that holds water, and had some logic and creativity to their action scenes making them more impactful. Advent isn't even at the cutting edge with their CGI (that would be arguably appleseed), which means they definitely could have used some good storytelling or choreography to make the film more absorbing. Like I said, the whole cool factor only works if you HAVN'T seen the genre's AC is imitating. if you have, then AC just comes off as a lame imitator. It's the Cinematic version of a bad elvis impersonator.

Impersonating the fat elvis.

Badly.

[Amaru]

In your opinion, your opinion isn't fact, no matter how much you dress it up. 9 out of 10 people who saw Advent Children were blown away by the CGI and the action sequences the first time that they saw it. Regardless of The Matrix or any other film that uses such a style. It's completely idiotic to compare the film's CGI sequences to martial arts classics with real life actors and martial arts skill. How in the world could it? CGI can never beat watching pure martial arts in motion. Furthermore, it is completely idiotic to compare a videogames movie at all to anything classic. The fact that you try to do so with Advent Children confuses me no end.

You can continue on this hate campaign of this movie all you like, but you aren't altering any one else's opinions.

[Ishin Ookami]

In your opinion, your opinion isn't fact, no matter how much you dress it up. 9 out of 10 people who saw Advent Children were blown away by the CGI and the action sequences the first time that they saw it.

Note the "first time" part of that statement. I can watch martial arts classics time and again, and still be entertained by the choreography, storytelling, and martial prowess of the stars. Ditto with Macross Plus, Appleseed, Spirits Within, and other CGI works. thats because they have something called storytelling and competent direction.

Also, using referencing group mentality to prove points is often a sign of an already shaky argument. Everyone I know hated advent Children. Even Square's premier hype magazine EGM bashed Advent Children's storytelling after seeing the film. But I dont need to reference anyone's opinions or thoughts to prove my own points or to say why I consider AC to be a poor film.


Regardless of The Matrix or any other film that uses such a style. It's completely idiotic to compare the film's CGI sequences to martial arts classics with real life actors and martial arts skill. How in the world could it? CGI can never beat watching pure martial arts in motion.

Not entirely true, martial arts anime manages to often be very absorbing. Dragonball Z and Rurouni Kenshin both come to mind as anime that manage to deliver martial arts entertainment that rivals the classics. That's because they both have storytelling and focus on martial principles rather then gee whiz cinematography ripped from other sources. When the storytelling is solid, and the choreography well thought out and interesting, martial art displays can work in ANY medium. Even early CGI works like Beast Wars and Reboot, managed to support some genuinely engrossing action sequences with lesser technology and funding.


Furthermore, it is completely idiotic to compare a videogames movie at all to anything classic. The fact that you try to do so with Advent Children confuses me no end.

That statement in itself is the definition of idiocy. Thats like saying different genre's or films based on novels or myth's should never compete at the Oscars. Advent Children is a movie, it will be judged as a movie, and it is a very poor one at that.

[Amaru]

Also, using referencing group mentality to prove points is often a sign of an already shaky argument.

Except, I'm not arguing anything here. Your opinion is simply that, your opinion, as is my own. I was simply stating that the majority of people were blown away by the action sequences in the film when they first saw it, clearly evident in the majority of opinions expressed on this very board, amongst others.


Everyone I know hated advent Children. Even Square's premier hype magazine EGM bashed Advent Children's storytelling after seeing the film. But I dont need to reference anyone's opinions or thoughts to prove my own points or to say why I consider AC to be a poor film.

Of course you don't need anyone else to back up your thoughts, as they are your thoughts.


Not entirely true, martial arts anime manages to often be very absorbing. Dragonball Z and Rurouni Kenshin both come to mind as anime that manage to deliver martial arts entertainment that rivals the classics.

Absorbing - yes, classic beating - absolutely not.


That's because they both have storytelling and focus on martial principles rather then gee whiz cinematography ripped from other sources.

Advent Children is not a Martial Arts film or falls anywhere in this filming genre.


When the storytelling is solid, and the choreography well thought out and interesting, martial art displays can work in ANY medium. Even early CGI works like Beast Wars and Reboot, managed to support some genuinely engrossing action sequences with lesser technology and funding.

Beast Wars featured inhuman CGI and Reboot never featured such amazingly human character likenesses or close-combat fighting as Advent Children.


That statement in itself is the definition of idiocy. Thats like saying different genre's or films based on novels or myth's should never compete at the Oscars. Advent Children is a movie, it will be judged as a movie, and it is a very poor one at that.

Movies based on videogames are the bottom of the literacy ladder. They are usually created soley for the fans. It is idiotic to compare them to classic films. Completely.

Whatever. I loved it for what it was, pure fanservice. It's a shame that others can't see and judge it as such.

[Ishin Ookami]

Whatever. I loved it for what it was, pure fanservice. It's a shame that others can't see and judge it as such.

Hey, Im one of those who let out a instinctual "wickedness" when X-3 gave us the cinematic incarnation of the fastball special. I dont mind fan service, but it helps to use some thought to the preceedings. The fastball special, a classic aspect of old school X-men itself, was backed up with referrences to classic X-story, days of future past. X-III also had the sense to involve some creativity and divergencies from the Dark Pheonix saga, and develop characters sperately from the comics. Thus it had fan service, but managed to be it's own incarnation at the same time. A fairly well written, acted, and filmed incarnation at that.

Advent Children however, not at all. What's the point of the intro? 498 years earlier eh? What was the point? The rest of the film followed suit. Sephiroth rising from the dead, Aerieth rising from the dead (multiple times), cloud rising from the dead. Nyah nyah, you cant kill us. The franchise is too successful, muahahahaha. All of that was basically the film masterbating over it's heritage, instead of celebrating it's roots as fan service tends to do.

[LunarWeaver]

I think we all understand you hate the movie at this point :O_O:

[jecht 567]

good but needs more action

[Halenite]

Except, I'm not arguing anything here.


Really? Looking back at the last few posts by you and Ishin, it would seem the both of you are arguing.

Yes, the story was focused on Cloud. It was meant to. But Cloud wasn't alone. I'm surprised you guys haven't added what the wolf was supposed to symbolize.

[BG-57]

Yes, the story was focused on Cloud. It was meant to. But Cloud wasn't alone. I'm surprised you guys haven't added what the wolf was supposed to symbolize.

Wasn't it supposed to be the Fenris Wolf? If memory serves, it appears as summon in FFVI and FFIX.

[Halenite]

The wolf symbolizes Cloud's grief and self-blame IIRC. The Fenrir is mentioned in the movie with the name of Cloud's motorcycle.

And yes, Fenrir did appear as a summon in FFVI and IX.

In VI, it cast Image on the whole team.
In IX, it cast an earth or wind attack on all enemies, depending whether or not Eiko had the Maiden Prayer equipped or not.

[Amaru]

Really? Looking back at the last few posts by you and Ishin, it would seem the both of you are arguing.

Well when one person states that something is complete and utter vile rubbish and the other can see some merit and enjoyment in it, there's bound to be some clashing of opinions.

[atlanteay]

i loved teh movie. My friend who never even heard of final fantasy watched it and loved it. My first thought was:"WOW! pure eye candy and super moves!!" then after playing the game, i understood the movie and i thought it was rather deep. I'm just happy taht i get to see Aerith and best of all her eyes. They kept her face rather mysterious after helping out cloud :confused: then again..she is an Ancient and she can do many thing let alone helping out cloud.

and Ishin, we know u hate the movie. It's not as good as teh classics and it's copying scenes and moves from other classics. So please stop arguing with Amaru. we want to hear more opinions from others. You hate the movie fine, other people don't so quit arguing.

my score for it: 8/10

[Ishin Ookami]

and Ishin, we know u hate the movie. It's not as good as teh classics and it's copying scenes and moves from other classics. So please stop arguing with Amaru. we want to hear more opinions from others. You hate the movie fine, other people don't so quit arguing.

You like the movie, fine. Others didnt so stop arguing. :p

and it's not about it being "Not as good", It's about the film being not good period. I like FFVII in the sense of it being a "decent RPG" rather than the "BEST GAME EVER OMG I NEED A TISSUE AERIES DIED" following. I Also Like pure action movies and series. New Getter Robo (a series Im currently watching, some who watched cartoons in the 80's may remember Getter Robo G As Starvengers) takes a classic 70's anime and turns into a pure godzilla style monster mash with the world ending a quarter of the way through, and that's not even the most intense scene. Hard Boiled, Ninja Scroll, Ong Bak, Con Air, I can think of and name alot of movies and series that are about pure action, and nothing but, and are perfectly likeable. But what makes them enjoyable is the action makes a lick of sense. In advent, nothing does. It's just pure showboating, fan service, nonsense logic (thank goodness cloud was wearing his bullett proof shades huh :rolleyes2 ) and whatnot. Just because a film is all action, doesn't mean a director can throw all rules of directing, scripting and writng out the window. I've seen Adam Sandler films with a more cohesive sense of writing and directing. And I HATE adam sandler.

Don't think my stance is disrespectful to those who liked the film, you don't have to agree with me, you dont have to disagree. Go ahead and like it, but part of a message board discussion is discussing your ideas and stances. There are plenty of "OMG ADVENT CHILDREN ARE THE EFFING ROXXORRZZZ" threads here that I don't touch due to my not having anything to say about them. but in a "thoughts about the movie thread", well Im gonna post my thoughts, and discuss them. That's what a message board is all about.

[atlanteay]

what i meant is that you don't have to argue with extremely long posts with another member. it's like you're trying to prove them wrong no matter what. Anything they object, you deny/object. It's tiring and other members are irritated too.
You left enough opinions and we all know you hate this movie and love those ones you like. You keep objecting to others and their opinions would end up with an arguement instead of changing their minds because they enjoy it and you don't. No matter what you say they'll still think the movie is great and they won't dislike it because of something you said.

once again, let's hear some new opinions.

[Marluxiaswife]

The movie scared me....
Kadaj,Yazoo,Loz and Sephiroth They all scared me
mostly Kadaj he scared me the most.
TTY (To Tell You) That my sister made me watch it

[Ishin Ookami]

what i meant is that you don't have to argue with extremely long posts with another member. it's like you're trying to prove them wrong no matter what.

Actually, Im just naturally wordy like that. Even when I try to be brief, I tend to go on when making a point. Don't take it as a personal attack on your stance or opinions, but i do disagree that there was anything of quality in AC besides Reno, Rude, and Rufus. Heck, I even knock on Uematsu for what feels like a phoned in soundtrack. And I happen to think Uematsu is the best composer in the video game biz, right up there with elfman and williams as far as soundtrack's go.

Also, keep in mind that Amru is the only one piping in. I'd love to get some fresh blood, or to have that guy that thought FFVII's narrative was the most character driven FF at that time up in here to talk more. I'd also love to get more opinions on here.

And I also think Kadaj scared everybody, anyone who can convince a group of children to drink up his fresh bowel movement is definitely a villain worthy of fearing.

[a nirvana fan]

I thought it was great!

A bit letdown between the fight of Sephiroth and Cloud. Seph could've put up a bigger effort.

[atlanteay]

The movie scared me....
Kadaj,Yazoo,Loz and Sephiroth They all scared me
mostly Kadaj he scared me the most.
TTY (To Tell You) That my sister made me watch it

Yazoo and Kadaj scared me since i thought they were girls at first and then i was like "WTF!! Those are girl hairdos!"
Loz acted like a girl. I was like:" you drunken fool...." because he was all "wanna play?"

sephiroth is the big baddie so he is naturally evil and scary.

lol those are random but the japanese really needs to separate the guys from the girls. I can barely tell them apart.
still.. it was good fanservice.

[crazy chocobo]

People are saying there wasn't enough character develpment, But its was for the fans and they actually pulled it off quite nicely in a 90 minuted film that was originaly was intended to be only 20 minutes long. Although I honestly thought they could have made the plot worthy to be called FF7( which the best plot of all time). Making the movie in the first place was a gamble between success and failure if they made it any longer for character development, etc it could have cost them more in the end. Since everyone else is rating...8.5/10

[Dark_Waltz]

Oh I loved it, I think they captured clouds general moodiness down to a tea!
It seemed over pretty quickly *rocks in corner*
Must
have
More!

Did anyone else notice lots of mumbles and groans LOL I mean LOTS
Yes oh yes thumbs up make another one :D

[Vincent, Thunder God]

Actually I watched it but I wasn't impressed- what it was really lacking in was a good storyline. Sure, the graphics were great, sure, the battle scenes were cool, but the story was like 4 on 10. It's like the reverse of the game- the game had sh*tty graphics but an awesome story, and the film had amazing graphics but a fairly lackluster story. I was expecting more of the loose ends from the game to be tied up- there were so many things in the game that were hard to understand that should have been cleared up.

[YTDN]

It was good, but i thought the new characters weren't detailed enough, and they focused too much on cloud kicking but, not really on the whole party.

And personally, I think X-2 would make a better movie, 'coz it sucks as a game.

[drunkymonkey]

I watched a bit of it in HMV. I was horrified at the lack of random battles, and also how they didn't take turns to attack. Broke the atmosphere immensely. :(

[BardTard]

I loved the movie! Great music, beautiful characters, but when Kadaj summoned Bahamut the materia was the wrong color... did anyone else notice that? Anywho... yeah. It rocked!!! :D

[Dilly]

movie rocked. i made 23 amvs from the movie and im lookin foward to make more. all and all i have to say....cloud was my favourite character. not cuz hes the main character, CUZ his hair is spikey and its yellow:p the movie was soooo good it inspired me to complete the game for the playstation, but its soo gay i cant beat that gay emerald weapon, but i getttin closer and closer. im out


PEACE!

[Shadowdust]

What can I say, no matter how hard I want to I'll never get the time back that I took to watch this movie. :( Though it was completely unnecessary to make a sequel of any kind to FFVII, it still had potential for a second story. So I figured I would give it a chance.

Quite frankly, the plot moved to fast in the movie. If anything, it felt like it was a summarized version of whatever the original story was meant to be. And no wonder, the movie is only 101 minutes long. Most of that time involves several fight sequences that go on for several minutes. If you like the typical action movie with a underdeveloped storyline, then this movie is for you. Sadly, if a storyline isn't well developed, how can the characters be well developed?

The only positive thing I can say is that the animation was done superbly. The CG was top-notch.

This is my second experience with an FF sequel that suffers from similar problems. This has so far convinced me that perhaps it would be wise to stop trying these direct sequels to FF games. For some reason, the formulas just don't work like they did the first time around. Unfortunately, based on how these games and movies have sold, I have to sadly admit that SE will not stop releasing direct sequels to games that were well closed the first time around.

[Swift Strike]

i liked the fast action battels.like the one with tifa in the church.
i have one question who is the man in the weelchair?
i have not completed ff7 yet and my file was just resently erased i think it had a virus

[BG-57]

i liked the fast action battels.like the one with tifa in the church.
i have one question who is the man in the weelchair?
i have not completed ff7 yet and my file was just resently erased i think it had a virus

The man in the wheelchair is Rufus Shinra, who supposedly died from a WEAPON attack on Midgar. The weird thing is that no effort was made to hide his identity. Cloud addresses him by name when they first meet in AC.

[TinyRikku]

OMG IN MY OPINION, GREATEST MOVIE EVER!! God i effin loved it!!! Cloud looked effin sexy n the graphics where amazing!! Most of the voice acting was really good!! And it had a great story to it, following the game...God I loved this movie, they could have made a few different changes to it like making the Sephy n Cloud scene longer and more action packed AND made Aeris come back to life, *sniff, tear* God I miss her :(.....But it was awsomeness and amazing, it was sooo worth my time and money!! I watch it almost every-night lol =^^=

[Ishin Ookami]

This is my second experience with an FF sequel that suffers from similar problems. This has so far convinced me that perhaps it would be wise to stop trying these direct sequels to FF games. For some reason, the formulas just don't work like they did the first time around. Unfortunately, based on how these games and movies have sold, I have to sadly admit that SE will not stop releasing direct sequels to games that were well closed the first time around.

I dont want to derail the topic, I thought I would just add that it's Nomura who has this thing for direct sequels. Hironobu Sakaguchi, who did final fantasy I-IV and IX-X, when he realized he had a legit pheonomenon on his hands after the first final fantasy rivived a small, struggling studio that was on the verge of shutting down called square, and made it an industry powerhouse, sort of envisioned the franchise as a readers digest, a series that told some truly deep storylines with no connection to one another. Nomura on the otherhand, well they are two very different directors who have two different styles and attitudes.

Sakaguchi was the guy who put out spirits within (which I've always liked). Which really shows just how different these two are.

[Bearofu]

I hope you guys can respect my opinion.

I was deeply disappointed at Advent Children. It felt... useless. It didn't offer anything. Just overblown fighting scenes.

Yes, I know it's Final Fantasy, but the thing they did with AC's fighting scenes felt just stupid. There was too many, they were too long, they were confusing and also damn boring. I wished there would be even a bit of realism in the fighting.

The new three characters were totally unnecessary and I felt like they were designed just for some fangirls who watch these movies for pretty boys. Their characters weren't even given a chance to develop, because they were like, fighting all the time.

I was also disappointed because the old characters were in the movie just for being there. They had no special purpose in the movie, they were just there for nostalgia.

The movie wasn't that amazing visually either. The Spirits Within, a movie from three years afar, is still MUCH more detailed and beautiful than Advent Children, not mentioning something like Onimusha 3's opening video. No, I'm not saying the movie looked ugly, simply there are better visuals out there.

Nomura may know what it takes to make a good videogame, but he has no idea on how to make a full-length movie. It seems he doesn't understand anything about making a movie. So, meh.

I wanted to like this, but the movie was just bad, horribly bad.

[Shadowdust]

[QUOTE=Shadowdust]
Sakaguchi was the guy who put out spirits within (which I've always liked). Which really shows just how different these two are.

I loved TSW as well. And not to throw the topic off, but I can't help but compare these two movies. I think the comparison is that TSW was very dialogue driven whereas, FFVII: AC was just your typical old action movie. I like dialogue. The more dialogue the better (thus my love for Xenogears :D). Without good dialogue or at least a monologue, a story doesn't reach its full potential.

[Topcat]

On the whole i thought the film was good and entertaining, but i was left wanting more, it's already been mentioned before, but it was too short! I feel Square concentrated so much on the visuals that they forgot to add a fantastic storyline that FF7 is so famous for. I'm sure for non-fans it was good fun but it did not live up to the epic that is FF7, but to be honest that was allways gonna be hard, maybe even impossible.

[HowlingMonkey]

FF7:AC, then. As a fanservice, it's great. As a sequel to FF7, it's passable. As a movie? It's light popcorn fluff that is not good but not irredeemable either.

The problem is that the main thinking of the creators was "how many fights can we fit in?" and "how can we make this one top the last?". Yes, the fights do look cool but there were far too many of them for me to see this as a serious movie. AC sits at the same table as the likes of MI:3, Men in Black and so. In other words: "No, don't think about it! Just watch the pwetty action!" Unfortunately, action movies can and should be about more.

Being an action movie is no excuse for a poor plot, which is what AC has. It's clearly just there to move from fight scene to fight scene, is very repetitive of the game and carries very little emotional weight. And apart from Cloud, there's no characterisation at all.

Saying character development all happened in the game is no excuse. Movie sequels don't just reuse the characters from the first, they take them and build on their experiences with further development. Like I said, Cloud changes, but nobody else does. It's all a tad too static.

On the plus side, Reno and Rude are great whenever they're around. And they're around much more than in the game. They're easily my favourite thing in the movie, and give some great laughs. Rufus also steps up his role and comes out of it looking pretty awesome.

Unfortunately, with every positive comes a negative, and this screen time means most of the game's main characters barely come out to play. Now, I didn't know Cloud was the main focus but I did expect him to take the most screen-time cause he was the game's main character. However, I expected him to share some of that with the likes of Barret, Cid, Nanaki and co. These guys have plenty of fans as well, and leaving them out for so long was a poor move.

Lastly, the villains. Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz aren't just clones of Sephiroth's characters, they're dilutions. Less interesting, less exciting and 2-dimensional. I think it was a mistake to use weak versions of Sephiroth for most of the movie. Now, I know he had to be there, but he either should have been the villain right from the start or been brought back by a villain who was nothing like him.

In short, it wasn't an awful 90 minutes of my life and I enjoyed it a bit, but I wouldn't really regret it if I hadn't. 5/10

[Numb]

when i watched Advent Children at that time I did not finish ffvii but i knew the ending since my brother played it years ago. i found it actually good and my cousin (who never played any final fantasy games) loved it and bought the DVD, but the problem was that i didn't sleep for about two days before i watched the film so i felt that it was really slow and quiet i'm not sure if that was the films problem or was it just me, and i thought the skipping from scene to another was a bit strange i don't know why :confused: I really loved the fighting scenes but at times they get really cool but still quite and a bit slow..:confused:

thanks:D

[Shiny]

I thoght the movie was pretty entertaining overall. However, I wouldn't pay money to see it in the movie theather. My only peeve is that they didn't have enough screen time for alot of the characters (like Barret, Cait Sith and Cid).

[boys from the dwarf]

id give it at least 8/10. probly 9 out of 10. the storyline is good and although there are complaints about too many battles i disagree. the battles are amazing and without them the film would not be long enough. its exciting, interesting,impressive and hilarious.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

The end result is better than what it was originally meant to be. The graphics were impressive, the fights were awesome and the newly introduced characters (Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz) fitted the role of antagonists. I thought the main storyline of Advent Children was really shallow and simple, but the cool fight scenes gave me reason to like this film.

[cid highwind]

after i saw it i thought like OMG, best movie ever by the way

[Dragon Mage]

I've been reading these forums for some time now and would like to throw in my two cents worth.

First off, I thought it was a very good movie and was neccessary to FF7 because it finished the storyline. If you recall, in the game, there wasn't much of an ending. If (and only if) you watched to the end of the credits did you see that the world had indeed been saved. But what about the characters? This movie provides an answer and an ending as well. I thought that a little more character interaction would have been nice but overall, it was nicely done. (I also believe that the movie was meant to provide a good look at the characters; no more Lego people.) The mouth movements could have been changed to make it better though. 9/10

This is not a stand alone movie. It's definitely for those who've played the game.

I've read a lot about how the characters fly around and it being unrealistic. I would like to point out that in the game Cloud and Sephiroth could really fly. Example: At the part of the game when Cloud gave Sehpiroth the Black materia he was flying. Levitating, hovering, whatever, it sure looked like flying to me. Sephiroth on the other hand flew around all the time in the game. So both of them can fly. It appears in the movie that they're just making insanely huge jumps; I would think it appears this way because they're 'jumping' to other objects to push off on (to luanch themselves in the air again) to quickly change direction, as opposed to stopping and changing direction in mid-flight which would prove to be much slower. So no more bad mouthing the whole flying part.
(Remaining stonily silent on the Bahamut battle)

I also belive that if this story were to be turned into a book, it would provide a much better insight to the characters and to the story and world overall. You simply can't draw a very good conclusion from the info and hints given in the game and movie.

[Firenjar]

Yeah deadly movie but i think they tried too hard to make Reno and Rude funny and kinda wrecked there characthers

[-Riku-]

i need to watch it at my friend's house,
sure i never got any farther in ffvii but the movie looks cool,
but flower moon is scared of that movie (LOL)

[TinyRikku]

after i saw it i thought like OMG, best movie ever by the way

Omg I totally agree with you, who cares what these other people think, we waited for a long ass time for this movie and it great was and worth the wait^^ hehe

[boys from the dwarf]

its probably my favourite film too but like said before its mainly for people who ahve played the game. the DVD is good though because it has that recap of FF7. its a pity that a lot of the characters dont get much screentime but i dont mind because the scene on the airship while cloud is fighting kadaj seems to make up for a lot of that. its is a shame that red XIII only says one line though. its nearly impossible for the film to have a storyline anywhere near as good as the games so considering that i think square did incredibly well. and easy 9/10 and possibly higher.

[Ishin Ookami]

Yeah deadly movie but i think they tried too hard to make Reno and Rude funny and kinda wrecked there characthers

Actually I thought Reno and Rude were the best part of the movie. They seemed to be the only two that had a lick of sense (ummm, cloud? Can you work out your personal issues later and just go save the children already?) and their fight scene with the seph clones were the only part of the movie where I was actually entertained. Well, actually thats a lie. Yuffie sneering at tifa over her inexplicable fascination with cloud was also delicious.

In the end, my main problem with the film was that they tried WAY too hard to make the film look "stylish" that they neglected to give the thought and character development any real thought. And no, cloud's relapse does not count as development IMO, more like a rehash.

[Disco Potato]

Random thoughts:

I was a little disappointed with the movie. As a few people have said, good graphics, sound, and fight scenes seemed to have been used to make up for a good storyline (I got bored with the fight scenes halfway through the movie - it seemed like every time something important to the plot was gonna happen, another fight scene started). Not that there was anything wrong with the good graphics (they actually made Reno, one of the ugliest characters in the game I thought, really good looking imo :p), but as people have said it contributed to that "flash over substance" idea that dominated the movie.

I think Square could've done more with the premise and new characters. But maybe they were under time constraints or something so I dunno :\.

I thought Cloud had already resolved his guilt in the game itself :confused:.

I could forgive the character's fantastic actions ("flying," etc.) during the fights, because the game and movie are fantasy-based and a good deal of suspension of belief is usually necessary to enjoy things of that genre, though as I said before, there were just too many fights >_<.

Kadaj confused me for the first few minutes - I was sure he was a woman, but then he spoke with a deep voice :p

[Swift Strike]

after the first time i watched it i saw it another 20 times (litaraly)in the next 2 days! the only thing that anoyed me was with cait sith.when he was on red (the dog thing)i could not tell who was talking.was he the one with the high piched voise?

[Cloud_Omnislash124]

I loved the movie. I thought reno and rude were really funny. There were a few lines though that were really lame but overall great movie. If i was to rate it i would give it a 9 out of 10

[Frustrated ChocoboBreeder]

I wanted to hear more about the chacters and stuff they really didn't say much.

[Distain]

Couple of lines in the english version where chessy as hell and some where just stupid ( dilly dalliy shilly shally?!?!??:hot: :frust: :nonono: :mad2: :eep: ) Great movie though. I wish it was longer!!

[Molnir]

I watched the movie last night for the first time and it was incredible. The should make another sequal to this movie.

[Molnir]

The "Dilly Dally Shilly Shally"... That is saying Cloud is just messing around. He is not doing much productive stuff... Heard the term: You are just dilly dallying? (or something like that.) Then, forgive me for not remembering his name, but the guy that then come in the room and says: "I think she wants you to MOVE ON." As in he is not going any where. That is just what my friend and I realized / though. Just sayin.

[Vaincast]

Couple of lines in the english version where chessy as hell and some where just stupid ( dilly dalliy shilly shally?!?!??:hot: :frust: :nonono: :mad2: :eep: )

I totally agree with you man, I hated that they had to change some of the parts of the movie, but it was good enough

[LUKEJAKE17]

hey guys the english voices never bothered me...you know why? BEACAUSE I NEVER WHATCHED IT IN ENGLISH BEACAUSE I KNEW I WAS GONNA HATE THE VOICES! whatching it in japanese is no problem for me , seriously subtitles dont bother me

[x Yunnie x]

I askt the moviemakers for a sequel (in my mind ya) ...
no i really wanna see another part from ff in movie i think the scene are so beautifull i just get the feeling that tifa isn't the love of cloud's life :cry:
i pitty her :p:p
i really wanna see yuffie and vincent as a coupple... or reno and yuffie... i love yuffie she's so playfull :p
i don't think that reno and rude are to funny but they have a quite sense of humour ... :D :p:p they're soooo funny :p

and vincent's funny to
i really liked the part wen he enters the fighting scene saying: "where can i buy a phone?" that was like the part wen i cried and laught at the same time:p:p:D :D :D :D :D :D

:choc2: my end score: 9.65/10 >> it has to be longer :p

[salvaje]

Wonderful graphics. Breath-taking fight scenes.

But I severely dislike how they completely changed Tifa's entire look, whilst everyone more or less stayed the same. Why was it so important to change Tifa's outward appearance? I really liked her long hair...

When I saw the movie the first time (an online download with subtitles and spoken Japanese), I was like "...I've been waiting for this?"

I must admit a bit of disappointment. Perhaps it was all the hype that made me go "O_O OMG - MUSTHAVEMUSTHAVEMUSTHAVE!!!" and when I got it, I felt "MUSTSELLMUSTSELLMUSTSELL!!!"

Again, it's about Cloud angsting. Angst angst angst. And whilst angst is all good, I've never been a big fan of Cloud. Not sure why.

Vincent, however, is a beautiful specimen... if a bit.... troubled. Perhaps it's my inner, fangirl-superficiality, but I adore Vincent and Tifa.

And Vincent got very little screen time (more than some characters, but little nonetheless).

Reno was adorable, however; he and Rude made me laugh during the movie - which is a plus. Whomever said that the lack of character interaction killed a lot of the movie was 100% correct in my book - it tended to stick to only a few people, with occassional interaction. With Cloud.

I still say people only like him because he has a big sword. :mad:

All in all? 4/10

Perhaps I should get the english dub...

[Dragon Mage]

Well, sure he had issues...again. If he didn't then there wouldn't have been much of a plot.


I still say people only like him because he has a big sword.

And the hair. You can't forget the hair.

[CodeVeroby]

Great Great Great Movie !!!

[Black_Mage_Hiyasha]

The graphics were amazing, voices were pretty good too. but the movie had a bit of a weak story. It was a good movie, but it didn't make a whole lot of sense. what was with Kadaj (i think that's how you spell it?) and his gang? were they spawns of Sephiroth? Was their "mother" Sephiroth or Aerith? could someone please fill me in?

[Dragon Mage]

Was their "mother" Sephiroth or Aerith

LMAO!!!!! Aeris(lol)their(lol)mother(lol).....I always knew Sephrioth was a girl!!!! *dissolves into laughter*

[BG-57]

The Mother that the Kadaj gang constantly refer to is in fact Jenova. They call her that because they are imperfect clones of Sephiroth and that's what he always called her. Kadaj simply confuses Aeris' voice with Jenova's. Which leads to some amusement on her part.

[Ryushikaze]

No, they were Shinentai of Sephiroth, and they thought Jenova was their mother. Kadaj, who had never heard the true voice of his 'mother', thought Aerith was his mother and that he has been accepted over Sephiroth.

[Araciel]

i liked it...good action...not a lot of character development because most of the characters were pretty simple...but that's ok...beautiful graphical work, though the concept design was mostly already done about 10 years ago, it still looks cool. if i had to do a full review of the movie from a jaded moviegoer POV as is the trend, i would have to give it a low score .... but i DON'T have to hehe so there

[Black_Mage_Hiyasha]

No, they were Shinentai of Sephiroth, and they thought Jenova was their mother. Kadaj, who had never heard the true voice of his 'mother', thought Aerith was his mother and that he has been accepted over Sephiroth.

Thank you!:choc2:

[Dragon Mage]

To Black_Mage_Hiyasha-

Hey man, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make fun of you or anything. I just couldn't help myself.

[Cetra Angel]

It was brillaint i loved the part with aeris and cloud in the field of flowers and the ending was brilliant they made sure you didn't see her whole face till the end

[XandrewX]

Nice movie...but a doubt remains...is Sephiroth dead?Or is he still alive?Is there anymore Jenova Cells in this world?A suspension to this story...

[Raebus]

Nice movie...but a doubt remains...is Sephiroth dead?Or is he still alive?Is there anymore Jenova Cells in this world?A suspension to this story...

Silly rabbit, sephiroth was just something for the fanboys, neither dead or alive.

[XandrewX]

Nice movie...but a doubt remains...is Sephiroth dead?Or is he still alive?Is there anymore Jenova Cells in this world?A suspension to this story...

Silly rabbit, sephiroth was just something for the fanboys, neither dead or alive.

I guess...but I'm not a fan of sephiroth though...I mean Sephiroth is Lucrecia's son...and when did he died?I mean he is a human before...so must have returned to the lifestream...when is that?I'm sorry if I'm stupid but all the FF7 games and FF7AC movie I'm still not 100% get it yet...

[AdVenT]

Good, but not the best

[BG-57]

I guess...but I'm not a fan of sephiroth though...I mean Sephiroth is Lucrecia's son...and when did he died?I mean he is a human before...so must have returned to the lifestream...when is that?I'm sorry if I'm stupid but all the FF7 games and FF7AC movie I'm still not 100% get it yet...

Sephiroth dies in the Nebelheim reactor when Cloud throws him over the side of a bridge. His body travels to the Northern Crater via the lifestream, where we see it again entombed in a crystal. Cloud gives the black materia to it and then all hell breaks loose with the Weapons.

This of course is very confusing as the party has been following Sephiroth ever since his appearance in Midgar. So this second Sephiroth is most likely an avatar of sorts of Jenova (which was a shapeshifter). How much individuality this second Sephiroth possesses is a subject of quite heated debate. Clearly Jenova is influences his actions, although it's unlikely that Sephiroth is simply a mindless puppet carrying out Jenova's will.

[Ryushikaze]

Sephiroth doesn't die in the crater. He might nearly die, but he lives the whole time between Nibleheim and Crater events.

The second Sephiroth is still Sephiroth, using the body of 'Jenova' as his puppet, since he has become the will of Jenova cells across the world.

[XandrewX]

Sephiroth doesn't die in the crater. He might nearly die, but he lives the whole time between Nibleheim and Crater events.

The second Sephiroth is still Sephiroth, using the body of 'Jenova' as his puppet, since he has become the will of Jenova cells across the world.

I agree that Sephiroth is using Jenova's sel as a puppet...but I don't understand how did Kaday and co. existsed?

[Enjolras]

Vincent says that Kadaj and his cronies are part of Sephiroth's 'memetic legacy', meaning i think that traces of sephy's DNA (or whatever you want to call it) were left behind after his destruction, and from those traces the lifestream created Kadaj and co.
At least thats kind of how i've come to understand it.

[Ryushikaze]

Mimetic, as in mind. They are his shinentai- will made thought, but fragmented from the straing of making them. So, close, Enjol, but not quite.

Think of them like incomplete unsent from FFX

[XandrewX]

So..they're are like the unsent souls?But why didn't they appear earlier in the game or some sort but only to appear in the movie?And...lifestream creates people??I thought in FF7AC it's still the same human is created by giving birth :eep: anyway...did Yazoo and Loz died?After a clashing with Cloud in the final stages of the movie.

[Enjolras]

Okay then Ryushikase I suppose the memetic thing makes sense, but I don't think they're like the unsent from FFX, more like Shuyin from FFX-2. As for the fate of Yazoo and Loz, you'll either have to leave it open to you're own imagination, or ask Tetsuya Nomura.

[Ryushikaze]

So..they're are like the unsent souls?But why didn't they appear earlier in the game or some sort but only to appear in the movie?And...lifestream creates people??I thought in FF7AC it's still the same human is created by giving birth :eep: anyway...did Yazoo and Loz died?After a clashing with Cloud in the final stages of the movie.

Yes. They were already losing definition by the time Kadaj bites it. It was a last ditch suicide strike.
And not quite on the "lifestream makes people", Sephiroth, with his will, can command a small portion of the lifestream to arrange itself into a human body, and create a being- which was supposed to be him, whole and intact- like the shinentai of FF10. However, he only partly succeeded, and so the SHM were created, whole and aged instead. Normally, however, sex is still responsible for younguns.


Okay then Ryushikase I suppose the memetic thing makes sense, but I don't think they're like the unsent from FFX, more like Shuyin from FFX-2. As for the fate of Yazoo and Loz, you'll either have to leave it open to you're own imagination, or ask Tetsuya Nomura.

Shinentai- that is the word used to describe both the beings from FF10 and the SHM from AC. Kadaj disperses into pyreflies as do the Shinentai in FF10. They are expressedly described in supplements as being born from Sephiroth's will.
And Shuyin had no body. These guys do. Hence shinentai- will made form.

[Raebus]

Honestly, kadaj was a great character and they shouldnt have brought sephiroth into it, just kept him out all together.

[Enjolras]

Okay then you've persuaded me Ryu. Now I know what the word 'Shinentai' means. No wonder there are theories regarding a link between the worlds of FFVII and FFX.

[Ryushikaze]

More than theories, actually. Confirmation.

more info here. (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=93440)

[NINJA_Ryu]

The only part that annoyed me very much was the ending part with cloud in the water with the boy and all the cheering.....

although, the bahamut scene was awesome! Go cid with a quearterstaff!

[Ryushikaze]

The only part that annoyed me very much was the ending part with cloud in the water with the boy and all the cheering.....

although, the bahamut scene was awesome! Go cid with a quearterstaff!

Agreed, though Spear, not staff.

[XandrewX]

Why didn't Cloud chase up to Aerith I wonder...anyway...ya it's a spear :D

[Ryushikaze]

Why would he? It's not like she hadn't been foisting herself on him every five seconds in the last three days.

Besides, that scene was about closure, not them reuniting.

[Pure Aerisbeauty7]

I didn't get to watch the entire movie, but I really like the movie.:)

[Avarice-ness]

I liked it to an extent. Naturally I paid more attention to the graphics and such, but what I -did not- like was how Sephiroth just poof'd. It was sort of anti-climatic, sure Cloud did a whole bunch of flashy moves but the fact that Sephiroth just nonchallantly disapears kind of off sets that to me. A busy beginning and middle but the end just kind of ran out of steam.

[chrisfffan]

i was ok i think a game would of been much better though.

[Mercen-X]

Top ten selling points
(what made it a great sale; 1 being the best):

10: Aside from diving into the crater, the opening generally reminds of the game's opening.
9: An action sequence three scenes in.
8: Fenrir.
7: Limit Breaks.
6: Materia & recognizable spells (Laser anyone?)
5: Bahamut and the ensuing battles.
4: Cloud.
3: Zack not only appears, but has something to say.
2: Omnislash V5 (cherry blossom in the States >p)
1: Sephiroth.


i think a game would HAVE been much better though.Maybe

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

I kind of wonder how you guys can call this an awesome movie when the plot, the story flow (meaning how well all of the scenes meshed together) and the newly made characters were all extremely weak.

I have noticed that all of the people who say that the movie is awesome bring up the graphics, voice acting, or the action scenes. But never say a thing about the plot or the character development.

Advent Children was two thumbs down in the two most important aspects that make up a movie. So I don't think it could be considered anything other than just average at best even with the great animation, good battle scenes, and good voice acting (for the most part).
How dare ye call thy self a Final fantasy fan, r not worth. Begon from us u evil omen. I personally thought it was perfect. the battle scene with Cloud and Sephiroth is most absolute perfect. I really don't care what any1 says....it is as i say 'perfect'

[Ryushikaze]

2: Omnislash V5 (cherry blossom in the States >p)

No, it's Omnislash V5 in the states. The name Omnislash is the simplified english name. Besides, it doesn't even look much like the Cherry Blossom Special from FFT.

[Ishin Ookami]

I kind of wonder how you guys can call this an awesome movie when the plot, the story flow (meaning how well all of the scenes meshed together) and the newly made characters were all extremely weak.

I have noticed that all of the people who say that the movie is awesome bring up the graphics, voice acting, or the action scenes. But never say a thing about the plot or the character development.

Advent Children was two thumbs down in the two most important aspects that make up a movie. So I don't think it could be considered anything other than just average at best even with the great animation, good battle scenes, and good voice acting (for the most part).
How dare ye call thy self a Final fantasy fan, r not worth. Begon from us u evil omen. I personally thought it was perfect. the battle scene with Cloud and Sephiroth is most absolute perfect. I really don't care what any1 says....it is as i say 'perfect'

I've pretty much been saying the same thing about Advent all through the picture ever since it came out. The story was absolute trash, no logic or thought whatsoever. And it seemed that every time they wrote themselves into a corner with cloud getting hurt, or dying, or about to die, Aerieth would show up and save him or resurrect him. That was pretty much the worse part. And the cloud/sephiroth fight was the definition of stupidity. you mean to tell me sephiroth blocks clouds leaping overhead downward slash, bare handed, yet can't block omnislash vr. 967111? Lame. And I've always said that after cloud took that sword wound in his shoulder, the fight should have been over. No physical way he could have continued sword fighting with the muscles in his shoulder cut like that. None. I don't care how strong you are, when your muscles get severed, no amount of strength is going to make them move.

Im a final fantasy fan, but I'm a Fan of Sakaguchi's final fantasy. Nomura couldn't tell a coherent story to save his life. Every story he's worked on I've found is utter crap. Except in FFVII where sakaguchi stayed on as an assistant scenario writer, which means I suspect anything decent as far as characters or story you can thank him for.

Oh, and I also thought the animation was a bit crap as well. As for the action scenes, I think someone needs to sit down and teach nomura the meaning of choreography, because those fight scenes were just mindless. EVERY ONE OF THEM!

[Mercen-X]

The name Omnislash is the simplified english name.So what's the Japanese version literally translate to?

[KazexLisa]

Cait sith is going to have to die..... Riding Red XIII like a common chocobo and then only letting him have one line..... I HATE YOU!!!!:mad2:

[Aerisfanatic]

i thought the english was ok. i was dissapointed to see that they didn't take the time to fix the mouth movements, and that did get really annoying when you hear a voice but the mouth movement was off. but it was pretty cool. i also liked how they added more movie time to the english than what was on the original japanese version. but all for all, it was fairly good. ill give it a 7 out of 10. :choc2:

i dont know the mouth movement seemed ok to me i didnt really notice, but the voices were great i know some people didnt like the voices i loved aeris' voice it was excelent i didnt realy like kudajs and the long silverd haired guys

[Aerisfanatic]

2: Omnislash V5 (cherry blossom in the States >p)



\
ok then i dont live in the states i live in canada and omni slash was called omnislash when i was playing,and if its omni slash in canada then its a pritty good chance it was omnislash in states to

[Arcanus1]

what do you guys think about advent children, let me know soon:magus:

[Sergeant Hartman]

Watched most of it on YouTube, but I keep forgetting to watch the end :(
Kick ass fight scenes though.

[Christmas]

I THINK IT OWNZ THE BIG ONE LIKE THE WAY I REPLY TO YOU REAL FAST AND SOON IN SIZE 7 ARIAL BLACK FONT WITH A MAGUS SMILEY INCLUDED TOO! :magus:

[ReloadPsi]

There's an Advent Children subforum if you try reading the list.

I thought it was crap, I knew from the start it was going to suck, and the only reason I did watch it is because I saw a still of Tifa about to kick someone. Tifa's fight scene was the only part of the movie I enjoyed, and I was furious when Squeenix banned that awesome video reenacting it in live action, basically :skull::skull::skull::skull:ting on the one part of the movie I did enjoy.

This topic will either be moved, closed, or both.

[BarelySeeAtAll]

it will be wont it
ANSWER QUICK
wait, i answered on the other one you did
OH WELL
ya it kicked ass

[Levian]

*moves to Advent Children forum* :mog:

I haven't seen it yet, and I probably won't. ;o

[Raebus]

Its just a terrible film really with only a few good fight scenes, the others are too rushed. Interesting characters were ignored and a five minute scene near the end with someone in particular is now praised above all for some reason.

[Meat Puppet]

Best movie ever based on the best game ever two (hundred) thumbs up.

[Roto13]

It was ok. The story sucked, but it was fun to look at.

[Ashley Schovitz]

it was just okay, it wasn't even a true sequal too me it's just sort of a spin off sequel like Dirge of Cerberus because it mainly revolved around Cloud and the others hardly participated.

[demondude]

sucked!!!

[James Leopold]

brilliant, but other party members should have been in it more

[Hazzard]

It was kinda crap, but the fight scenes were good. A bit hurried, and the voice actors weren't exactly ideal for some of the characters, and most of them sounded the same.

Vincent probably doesn't sound like that, and has more a poetic twist to his voice. Sephiroth definitely would sound like that. Tifa spoke worst than Aerith, and sounded so robotic. Barret was ruined from the start, when you hear him on the cell phone. Yuffie was what you would expect, and Cid just looked weird. Cait Sith isn't Scottish or Irish, and how would they programme that voice for him? Reeve wouldn't do that.

Reno said a couple of stupid lines, which weren't funny. He isn't supposed to be a comedian, he's the casual guy who everyone loves. Don't even get me started on how they messed up Rude.
RedXIII was quiet, and Kudaj's gang were totally emo. "Where's mum?" I heard that every 2 minutes.

Best part was when Sephiroth came, and livened it up a bit, but the unbelievably and far-fetched strength of Cloud, beat the holy hell outta him.

[Rase]

It was ok. The story sucked, but it was fun to look at.
Pretty much.

[Dragon Mage]

I thought it was very good. Not anything extraordinary, no. But overall, it was entertaining. I think the dialouge was cut short and more would've been desireable.
Action scenes were VERY nice, but maybe a little too fast for the viewer to catch everything that was happening. Some of the details were lost in the speed, and would require the viewer to watch the movie again to catch them.
I think it was too short. There should've been more!
Also, the creators of this movie were very vague (like the game) on quite a few things. That should've been cleared up, even a little would've helped.
The graphics were simply mind-blowing. I can truthfully say that the graphics of this movie inspired me to pursue my career choice. Simply amazing.

Overall, I think it was very good.

P.S. You misspelled 'Advent' lol.

[Dr. Acula]

It was OK, the fight scenes were good and the graphics were absolutely mind-blowing. The story I didn't really get, but the character voices I thought were pretty good (then again, I only saw the Japanese version), but seriously, if you focus on the graphics and the fight scenes, it's a very entertaining watch.:D

[Sam250]

Just my opinion on some of your points:


Vincent probably doesn't sound like that, and has more a poetic twist to his voice.

First, how would you know what Vincent sounded like? The game had no vioce acting, so it was up to the player to decide what they sound like. This goes for all your vioce comments btw. If you mean that thats not how you would imagine him to speak, then thats fine.

Anyway, i think Vincent was brilliant, not how i imagined him, but exellent nontheless. He was sorta dark and dry, which completely suited him.


Sephiroth definitely would sound like that.

Uggh, i hated Sephiroths vioce. Jusy my opinion, but he just sounded so lame.


Tifa spoke worst than Aerith, and sounded so robotic.

I liked Tifa, she wasn't that bad, but theres only so much you can do with lines such as "Dilly Dally Shilly Shally", and refering to the villins as 'the bad guys'.


Barret was ruined from the start, when you hear him on the cell phone.

Barret was very sterotypical, but he was like that in the game, he was the sterotypical angry black man. They at least got that much right (that is, they got him from the game to the movie with his 'character' intact).


Yuffie was what you would expect,

Yes she was.


and Cid just looked weird.

He looked like he had come from his Sofa with a bottle of bear and a doughnut, straight to the battle, without even a change of his greasy shirt that he'd been wearing for five days. I liked it, hes the sort of character i can relate to :tongue:


Cait Sith isn't Scottish or Irish, and how would they programme that voice for him? Reeve wouldn't do that.

Cait Sith is based of a Scotish mythical creature:

Cat Sidhe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Sidhe)

So they gave him a scottish accent. It still not sure about the Reeve thing, it been awhile since i played the game. Was Cait Sith Reeve's robot, or just his servant. I think Cait Sith being a robot is a bloody stupid idea, but whatever.


Reno said a couple of stupid lines, which weren't funny. He isn't supposed to be a comedian, he's the casual guy who everyone loves.

I don't remember Reno much in the game, but i do remember a scene which seems to mirror his character in the movie quite well. Its the one when you first meet him, in the Church, and he steps on the flowers.

Anyway, Reno made a few jokes, but then so did almost everyone else. Reno was the casual guy in the film, and even though he was absolutly put in there for the humour, i think it suits his game character. All the turks (minus mabye Tsung) added humour to the game, and thats what they do here aswell.


Don't even get me started on how they messed up Rude.

I don't understand, please elaborate.


RedXIII was quiet, and Kudaj's gang were totally emo. "Where's mum?" I heard that every 2 minutes.

Red XIII wasn't supposed to talk. Mabye because they couldn't find a vioce actor that sounded like a dog, or mabye just because hes the silent type, i dunno, but it worked out fine.

And Kadajs gang being Emo, they was nothing wrong with that.


I think i'm done....

[x-cookies_Nd_milk-x]

The English voice acting sucked sooo much, i couldnt stop laughung.. {Reno sounded good though [;}, but the japanese voice acting was much better, more serious anywayz!.. I kinda expected more from this film, but in general it was okay, but not fantastic..

[Hazzard]

I don't think the rolde they gave Rude, really suited him. He was enigmatic in the game, but a bit foolish in the movie with some events- like falling off the wall, when climbing up after Reno.

They over-exaggerated with all the flashiness, and what I meant about Cid was that he's nearing his forties, and they made him look 25 years old. He looked too fresh, and I expected him to look rougher and more ragged.

[scrumpleberry]

Story sucked, villains sucked, Reno bishification sucked, lack of Elena and Tseng sucked.
(Yea, I know they got about 5 seconds in 3 scenes, but they didn't speak most of the time and you didn't get shiny close ups.)

Pretty to look at, the new costumes are much better.

[Orophin]

It was ok. The story sucked but some of the fight scenes were good. I would give it a 7/10 for the japanese version and 5/10 for the english one since the english voices were horrible for most of the characters...

[{cloud}]

The movie was one of the best movies I had saw that month. aslo it DID kick ass in Japanese.

[Laddy]

It lacked the show anything of other characters, the film was too rushed, and hardly had any plot. An extra hour or so would fix it up, though.

[BG-57]

Visually stunning but too little character development in between the action scenes, giving it a frenzied pace. Another half an hour of characters interacting would have vastly improved things.

It needed a lot more scenes between the main characters other than Cloud and Tifa (would a scene with Barrett and Marlene been too much to ask?). A good example of where this was well done was when Marlene meets Vincent. Very little spoken dialogue, but you get a good impression of their relationship. Also the villains needed more work, motivation and complexity. Kadaj was the only one with more than one character note.

Reno and Rude were handled just about perfectly. They were the only ones I was really rooting for, not because they made the fighting look effortless, but exactly because they had to work hard at it. Plus they balanced action and comedy nicely. Too bad the other Turks were reduced to cameos.

So it's great eye candy, but the story is lacking. But seeing the Turks in action goes a long way to overlook its other shortcomings.

[Ishin Ookami]

It was awful. The action scenes were terrible. I mean they tried to be flashy, but all they really did was create something thats similar to a hyperactive ten year old pantomiming their favorite fight scene from Dragon Ball Z. Not a single fight scene had any real logic or flow or sense of consistancy in representing technique or power or skill in any of the fighters. It was just so poorly choreographed and directed.

Then there was the story, which played out like a four year olds fan finction. I swear did square have a contest where the winning child could write the script? The story was just terrible. And having Aerieth resolve every major cliff hanger and crisis point was arguably the worst part.

Then there was the dub... But I'm not one to beat a dead horse.

It just cemented the theory that Tetsuya Nomura is a hack who gets by, by assembling a crack team of animators and programmers for his projects.

[Rostum]

There are a lot of things that make it a bad movie. Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching it, but it's incredibly far from perfect -- I don't think Square put much thought into it whatsoever. Though I always admire the artists behind the actual making of it. It's a very tough thing to do.

By the way, I think it's fairly pathetic to make it out this movie "cemented" the theory of Nomura being a hack. Whether you like it or not, he has done some pretty good stuff that many other people like.

[Ishin Ookami]

Every nomura title that people like has either flashy animation, or fan service going for it. FFVII he had backup from sakaguchi as the assistant scenario writer. Every project him and kitase have collaberated on solo have been storytelling disasters, everyone of them.

Then there are his character designs. SOME of his male designs are decent, Auron has SOME personality and coolness, despite being every bit as derivitive of Anime stereotypes as every other one of his male designs. And what is up with his female designs. Can someone please get this guy a girlfriend. In FFX he had high priestesses and holy icons walking around in G-strings, and don't get me started on his own personal final Fantasy (pun very much intended) that took place in FFX-2. now THAT was just storytelling crap, and the fun job system doesn't go to his credit, but to the battle designers.

And as for kingdom hearts... the first one got off to a decent start, then just imploded spectacularly on the final quarter of the story with rediculous exchanges and developments that made no sense whatsoever. How is it that in one cinema, we saw ansem, who is the king of the heartless by this point, killed by the light from kingdom hearts, then in the very same cinema we see Kingdom Hearts sealed because it is overrun by heartless? Can anyone explain the logic in that to me? KHII was just as redundant and didn't have much of a real story either. Just Sora acting all bardarse.

So yah, as a director and storyteller, the man is a hack. Advent Children is just the ultimate piece of garbage that he put out. I like action films. One of my favorite films EVER is John Woo's Hard Boiled. But AC was just not a good, or even adequette action film. It was awful from fan service beginning that made no sense whatsoever, to the awful "please pour bleach in my eyes to relieve the pain", ending.

[Rostum]

What are you on about? It doesn't sound like you played Kingdom Hearts or understood it at all. >.>;

A lot of that is just your opinion, but it seems evident that you are making it out to be an actual fact. Sure, he's done some bad stuff, but no body is perfect. There are thousands upon thousands of people throughout the world the actually do like his stuff (where you do or not), so I'd hardly consider him a hack.

[Ishin Ookami]

What are you on about? It doesn't sound like you played Kingdom Hearts or understood it at all. >.>;

A lot of that is just your opinion, but it seems evident that you are making it out to be an actual fact. Sure, he's done some bad stuff, but no body is perfect. There are thousands upon thousands of people throughout the world the actually do like his stuff (where you do or not), so I'd hardly consider him a hack.

reasons people like nomura titles.

Flashy Animation (thank the animators there)

Fun battle systems (thank the battle designers)

his female characters dress like sluts. Even the serious and religious ones. Hell Yunalesca was walking around in nothing but body paint.

Big pimped out swords.

All grown up male characters are badarse but are deeply sensitive on the inside.

Fan service.

Sorry, but the novelty of putting square and Disney characters does not a good story, or a story make. Like I said, I defy you to explain to me the story developments in the final act in Kingdom Hearts. Sora throwing himself on the keyblade, becoming a heartless, then being turned back to a human was so arbitrary. Then there was that awful ending. And I've said it before on other message boards, the man just cannot write and direct a female character to save his life. The first kingdom hearts is likely his best work as a director and storyteller. The story was actually decent for a while, but the final act just utterly imploded and went back to the nomura style plot contrivances and flashy action sequences in order to hide just how he had no effing clue what the story was about by this point. and KHII? Seifer talking like a 14 year old mall rat (like he wasnt annoying enough before) the return of cloud and sephiroth so they can talk about feelings, him butchering vivi's design, and Sora being about as interesting as dried paint just killed the game for me. The prime reason for me to play RPG's is for the story first, not production values or fey bishonen or big swords or cinema's or fan service, and thats really all the guy has going for him. When it comes down to how to tell a story... He has no effing clue. All his own projects, FF8, KH, FFX-2, Advent Children, and the crap that is the FFVII rehash are all evidence of this fact.

If you disagree, please feel free to point out what you feel makes him a good story teller.

Oh yes, and keep in mind that numbers of sales do not equal talent. Nomura has a crack team of programmers and battle designers at his beck and call. Doesn't make him a storyteller. Avril Lavigne has a crack team of sound editors, song writers, and musicians provided to her by her music studio, it doesn't make her any better a singer or artist.

[Rostum]

reasons people like nomura titles.
Flashy Animation (thank the animators there)
Fun battle systems (thank the battle designers)

"A game director is a person who is in charge of significant creative aspects of a video game." - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_director). I'd say that there's more to just story telling in his role as a director, and this could surely include the overview and management of CG work as well as the design of the battle system. Working in the industry isn't that clear cut, there's a huge pipeline in every project that a company or team takes on.



his female characters dress like sluts. Even the serious and religious ones. Hell Yunalesca was walking around in nothing but body paint.

There's no reason to suggest they dress like "sluts" just because they have exotic costuming and designs.



Big pimped out swords.

Uh, what's wrong with big swords? They attract a lot of people that think they are "badarse". I don't really see this as a bad thing. Infact, I can only really think of Final Fantasy VII having huge swords, other games you might say have big swords, but I think that just makes it a bit more interesting in design than having some fairly bland small longsword.



All grown up male characters are badarse but are deeply sensitive on the inside.

So why is that a bad thing exactly? I think you'll find that many males in this world are very sensitive on the inside. It actually is quite cool that he has put things like that in, so that it relates to a wide range of audiences.



Sorry, but the novelty of putting square and Disney characters does not a good story, or a story make.

You see, I actually find it to be fairly decent, as do many other people. So, it's your opinion.



Sora throwing himself on the keyblade, becoming a heartless, then being turned back to a human was so arbitrary.

To you.



Then there was that awful ending. And I've said it before on other message boards, the man just cannot write and direct a female character to save his life.

Examples please on why it is a bad ending and why his female characters are bad. I actually liked the ending.



The story was actually decent for a while, but the final act just utterly imploded and went back to the nomura style plot contrivances and flashy action sequences in order to hide just how he had no effing clue what the story was about by this point.

I still don't see how the game ended bad, and I really didn't see any "flashy action sequences" to cover such a thing up. Did you seriously pay attention?



and KHII? Seifer talking like a 14 year old mall rat (like he wasnt annoying enough before) the return of cloud and sephiroth so they can talk about feelings, him butchering vivi's design, and Sora being about as interesting as dried paint just killed the game for me.

They are cameos, and once again your opinion.



The prime reason for me to play RPG's is for the story first, not production values or fey bishonen or big swords or cinema's or fan service, and thats really all the guy has going for him.

There are people who like those sorts of things, but I don't believe that its all he has going for him. Just because you are not into them, doesn't automatically make him a "hack". In which case I'd actually wonder why you come around in these forums.



When it comes down to how to tell a story... He has no effing clue.

So how exactly do you know he has no "effing" clue? I mean, he seems to have wrapped it up from KH1 to 2 fairly well, and not with "flashy animations". Or maybe I'm just not seeing it, either way it's still just your opinion.



All his own projects, FF8, KH, FFX-2, Advent Children, and the crap that is the FFVII rehash are all evidence of this fact.

Fact? That's your opinion mate. There are plenty of people out there who love those games you just listed.

Basically, to me it just seems you keep trolling around here to beat your own dead horse on why you think Nomura is the worst thing to hit the video game market. It's a bit unfair to present those opinions as facts and impose them on other members.

They are your opinions and you are very well entitled to them; I would even agree with some points. Whether or not you like him, he is still doing fairly well and has a good fanbase behind him -- I'd say that makes him successful in one way or another and not a "hack".

Damn, I didn't want it to get this off-topic really, and sorry if anything comes across as a flame, I don't particularly mean it. Feel free to come and post a reply, but I just don't want to go too far off-topic.

[Nifleheim7]

Well said Omecle.^^

Just to make one thing clear.Having a writer doesn't mean he can write whatever he wants just as having a battle director doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants.Everything has to pass through the game director which often gives his own input in those kind of things more or less.
And i consider mr.Nomura a very charismatic director (but not as good as a concept artist) with a very clear vision on what he wants in his projects.

Yeah,i enjoyed AC,the graphics were really pushing the cg industry but i admit that the story could have been better...maybe some more development to the characters and their actions would have been better.But as a fan of VII i'm really grateful for this movie,especially if i compare it to the travesty that Spirits Within was.

[Hayabusa]

It was pretty awesome.

[Ashley Schovitz]

X-2 had more story than this movie :tongue:

[Ishin Ookami]

Omacle, you don't have to worry about offending me. But I do think you are in the wrong. Nomura is undoubtibly a storytelling hack. He fancies himself a competent director, and worthy successor to sakaguchi. He is neither. You claim this is my opinion, but the fact is his style is one of style over substance and intelligence. His direction in AC was absolutely hideous. Twirling a sword or posing does not good action choreography make. And the writing, dear god it was awful. Not only that but his aping of John Woo for various scenes (kadaj leaping over fenrir, the gunplay from yazoo) was clumsy and over worked. And the whole wuxia inspired elements (leaping around like Crouching tiger on crack) was also awful and overdone. Espescially the cloud tossing. And specifically Vincent telling cloud to fly, when thats his gig. also I havn't met anyone who can explain to me how cloud pulled omnislash Ver. 967 1111 out of his arsenal when you clearly see sephiroth stab his sword arm, directly in the shoulder joint. I dont care how strong you make cloud out to be, all the mako on earth isn't going to move an arm when the muscles that control that arm have been sliced.

So yah, Nomura can't tell a coherant or well written story to save his life. I've never seen one from him. I hope someday he'll pull it off. I loved FF once and would like to see the old girl return to her former glory. But I doubt Nomura is the man to do it.

His main character's are always the same. angsty moody swordsmen, sorry but after Sakaguchi who always came up with different themes and different types of leading characters, thats just awful. The one time he (nomura)went away from his leading male character mold was in KHI, and he immediately fell back into that mold for KHII. That shows a distinct lack of creativity. and of course theres his female characters. Two dimensional at the best of times would be a flowery compliment to his incompetence on how to write a female lead. And I still think he designs his females while watching soft core porn.

You may like this style, you may not value storytelling, or value it as much as flash, but to say that nomura has any talent is sheer delusion.

As for examples to my points, I've given them. I hardly feel like repeating myself.

P.S.

Spirits Within was infinitely better then AC. Not perfect, But still better written, plotted, directed, and animated.

[Avarice-ness]

I watch it on mute. It's pretty to look at, but I'd rather not try to kill any brain cells on trying to keep with the failing story. :razz:

[Ishin Ookami]

I watch it on mute. It's pretty to look at, but I'd rather not try to kill any brain cells on trying to keep with the failing story. :razz:

That I can sort of agree with. I like the detail that went into some of the backdrops and other surrounding environments. There was a decent sense of creativity from the CGI artists (not mind blowing, but respectable) in that regard. But the animation made me laugh at times, it was so wooden at times I was wondering if I was watching a puppet show.

[Rostum]

You know, I agree with you a lot. So don't get me wrong. I really like Sakaguchi and the fact that Nobuo Uematsu is doing work for Mistwalker is absolutely awesome.

I don't really like the additions such as FF7:DoC, FFX-2, etc. But there has been some decent stuff in there. I do enjoy the KH series, and I don't really see anything wrong with it. But I guess you also have to understand that there's a lot of different people working with Nomura, and a lot of limitations that come in the industry, which need to be worked around.

However, the fact that all they seem to come out with are remakes (though I welcome them), does show they are slipping.

I guess my point was really that a lot of what you are saying is seemingly your opinion. I'm not really cool with people who just seem to criticize a lot of peoples work (that's in general), and impose it on others to feel the same way.

[cloud21zidane16]

i really like it 10/10 for me I thought the voice acting was good except for Kadaj's lackies Yazoo and Loz and Loz was such a...dumb character the graphics were good the plot was good everything was good but yeah the mouthing was off.

yeah i agree, story wasnt great but it was a decent enough movie:)

[Amin_Strife]

Hi there all..first post here in the forums^^

Anyway, i wanted to give my toughts about the movie. For me...it was dissapointing. The story lacked plain and simple. Now of course i dont expect them to create a legendary epic in a 90-minutes movie but still, lower the action scenes and put more effort in to the story. Instead of such a damn long Bahamut fight, bridge the gap between FFVII and the film more. I've had a lot of discussions with my friend about this. He adores it...and he thinks i have too many expectations which is ''lame'' according to him. Well sorry...i dont know about you guys but if suddenly since almost 10 years the news arrives of a movie sequel of my favourite game ever complete with an absolutely awesome trailer(which showed Kadaj attacking Cloud and Cloud walkin in the church..short but very sweet..i found some of those scenes better than the actual scenes in the film itself) then i DO get pumped up. I DO expect a lot. Heck, Square Enix knows that FFVII is popular. Sure the action scenes are terrific, but i felt that it's all that. No story..just fight-scenes. Again, i found the Bahamut fight way too long. And then there's Sephiroth...it felt forced imho. Like: '' hey lets put Sephiroth in so everybody can drool over him again''. I love Sephiroth as a character. Heck he's my favourite character ever with Cloud. But it felt he was just there for show. I wanted more story. More bridging the gap from this and FFVII. Instead they come with 3 villains(which are really cool designed imo) that just come for ass-kickin. Sure, there was story..no doubt. But rather than all the Jenova/Mother stuff i wanted to know what all the characters were doing. Cloud is in the spotlight. Sure Tifa as well..but Cid.. Red XIII...Yuffie..Vincent..etc. all just in that way too long Bahamut scene. And i do agree with Loz being really dumb. When he said that line: ''You meenie'' i swear i wanted to kill him. What the hell is that for cheesy stupid line. Come on..at least you can make it sound more mature and realistic. And we know Loz is childish..but that line just ruins him totally imo. All in all i can talk hours about my dissapointments and the things i liked about the film. The film looked great(not as realistic as Spirits Within and anyone who disagrees go ahead..bite mexD), i really liked the rock music...and that scene where Kadaj sits down and looks up to Rufus and flashes of Sephi's face show up is awesome. But this wasn't what i expected. The oldest trailers had scenes that were so cool but eventually all left out from the final film. The story is lacking...i applaud Square Enix for making such a big step and continuing FFVII. I liked it overall..but when you look at the total package of story and character dedication..it lacked. I hope the Compilation of FFVII brings good stuff worthy of the FFVII name(unlike DoC which was really bad aside from the FMVs imo) and while AC wasn't terrible..it doesn't hold up to that name either. Luckily Crisis Core looks great so i just have to wait and see.

[Great Sephiroth]

Hey, I watched film again and again. It is quite perfect and motive me to play FFVII again. When you played and beat FFVII, go to watch FFVII:AC....It is a super-duper combination trust me!!
Anyway, I watched the film's early version. So, if you ignore what I wrote, don't surprise, maybe they fix them in the final versions.
I see that, in the film a lot of low-frame points and weaker graphics (different than general graphics) like a PS2 CGI movie...For example, when Cloud rides Fenrir to catch Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo in the tunnel...When Cloud give a slash to Loz's motorcycle and blow it up, Loz's face is in very very bad quality graphics...Am I wrong? So, maybe they fix it eh?
Anyway, I find some stupidity in AC:
1) Why Rufus have a eye-band? Near the end, we saw that Rufus' eye is healthy? It's so ridiculous...
2) How Kadaj hug Jenova's head and turn-out Sephiroth? Why Loz or Yazoo didn't do this? OR, what if Loz and Yazoo were still alive? How can they turn-out Sephiroth? A three-silver haired man combination-and Jenova's head=Super Sephiroth (or like my nickname Great Sephiroth:p )??
That's all for now...
p.s:Amin_strife, we have same avatars;)

[Jon Thompson]

That's what I thought his movie was, a piece of turd. I was looking forward to it, thinking it would be similar to Spirits Within (not graphically) but in terms of quality. No, none, at all. Didn't much care for the plot. It was alright but the last twenty minutes simply killed it. I know it's set in the final fantasy world but the last bit looked so ridiculous on film it was ridiculous. Some things work in movies, some do not. So many final fantasy fans hated Spirits Within because it was nothing like final fantasy. Simple because there were no chocobos, moogles, magic powers or anything of the sort they didn't recognize it as final fantasy. It was, at it's core final fantasy. Characters/plot are final fantasyesc. If you took away materia from Final Fantasy Seven the plot, for the most part would be exactly the same. The story does need those things but GAMEPLAY does.

I give Advent Children 3/10

[Silver Haired Brothers]

I'd give it 120%. Amazing. Great story line. Although It would maybe be hard to understand quite a bit if you hadn't played the game.

[play-on-4eva]

I thought visually the movie was brilliant. the camera angles and scenery were both great but i did find the story hard to understand proberly because i havent play FFVII.

[IronOcean]

the movie was great. Something more for all of us who loved the game. I agree the flow of the movie is not that good and you have to read alot on the internet to find out alot of what they dont tell you. But look at how long they took to do it and how well they did it. It left me wanting more which we may never get but i give it a 9/10

[No.78]

This film is worth nothing to me without the action scenes

[LynetteCloudburst]

The game was awesome and the movie was awsome! loved it! XD

[Relapse]

Awesome, tho i didn't care much about the story :D I just watched it for the awesome graphics and battle scenes for the first maybe 10 times :$ Altogether, I think I've watched it around 30 times now.

9/10

[Gennosuke]

It is an amazing film i love it, they should bring it out on Blu-ray as that would make it all the more impressive!!

[Serapy]

I can't wait to watch the Complete Blu-Ray verison :D

[Tabris]

I have only started playing VII and never finished it, but this movie motivated me to play through the game. I do understand the negative critisism it gets, but at the end of the day I really just see it as a great, geeky and brilliant fanservice. And I love it for what it is.

[Marky Tee]

its awesome

[PeneloRatsbane]

i lurve it, but i do wish there was more avalanche scenes and less emo cloud and yazoo, loz and kadaj have to much screen time, so do Reno and Rude, i love them and all but come on! AVALANCHE before Turks please

[solidsnake420]

man im tired of people calling cloud emo hes not emo hes not in all black clouthing and black eye lineer with lipstick on he dosent look like he followes mcr around like there the dead or some thing people say clouds emo why becase hes not runing around all COME ON GUYS WE CAN DO IT IF WE WORK TOGETHER AND GIVE ME A BIG FING GAY HUG! just becase the mans not runing around shouting rainbows out his a## like some video game heros that makes him emo come on im sick of hering people say clouds emo not every one is a big happy littel fruit cup some people are the strong silent type not emo and whats the obession with being happy all the time any way all i ever here is have a good day and i say good luck at that :cool:

[Marky Tee]

amazing

[DarkBahamut]

I was kind of dissapointed by the movie. There was too much action, and not enough dialogue. Sephioroth's appearance wasn't as good as I had expected it to be. And, the bit where Cloud if soaring through the air after the gang push him up (wth?), Aeris somehow also manages to give him a little push. Weird.
I think Clouds Buster Sword has been ruined. (If it's even the same sword, i dunno).
Not exactly a bad movie, just a lil dissapointing.
I think he uses Organics a lot more and maybe Yoshiyuki.

[Quindiana Jones]

It took me about a billion watches to figure what the hell was going on, and it just got worse and worse as I saw more of it. Way too rushed and poorly...everythinged.

[Wolfen]

I have never played the game, but I liked the movie AND understood the plot.

So Cloud and Tifa have retired from the hero business and are working for the postal service. This is right around the time a disease called Geostigma afflicts children, specifically ones living on the streets. This organization rises up and gains the affected kids' favor by promising a cure and has them join up to fight for them. Also, the silver haired guy is apparently some shell that was used in order to bring back Sephiroth. Cloud and Sephy duel epicly, and then there is a rainstorm that cures the disease.

[Suvious]

It's the great gospel, Aeris' limit break

[Gilghamut]

I really am enjoying the ACC version more than I did the original. The added 30 minutes of scenes definitely added to the overall awesomeness of the movie. Cloud definitely does not get through the Seph fight unscathed, he gets messed up pretty bad for a moment.

[Quindiana Jones]

Also, the silver haired guy is apparently some shell that was used in order to bring back Sephiroth.

Mhmm. And they give no explanation of how any of this works. Probably the most important part of the film and there's bugger all explaining it. That is not a well written story.