My frustration with Crafts....

[Markus. D]

Any tips for Mining...

or Fishing for that matter.


I tried to get Mhenlo to do both, Fishing... grrrr it made me so angry, I followed the steps of the instruction book and continued to fail, then mined with about 7 pick Axes, all broken :P


all in good fun >_>.


I guess its one of the things that.... comes with time?

[Nimbus]

Mining isn't a craft, for there is no skill ups. The key to mining is to buy all the mining Equip to higher your successful rate.

Buy the gear, and your pick axes wont break all the time.

Fishing the same thing, but it is a craft and probably one of the hardest to lvl.

Fishing is quite advanced for a craft, so i would recommend doing something else. Fishing basically requires you to stand at a pond the whole day.

[Yeargdribble]

If you are trying to mine or fish on a secondary character I would strongly advise against it. Also keep in mind that both of thise can be painfully frustrating if you aren't careful.

Mining
Mining isn't really a craft. It's part of what is knowing as HELMing. (Harvesting, Excavating, Logging and Mining). There are theories that there are hidden skils in HELMing much like there are hidden skills in Chocobo Digging. These are very difficult to prove things however. My first adventure in HELMing was logging and I've also tried harvesting which I didn't find all that bad. I've not tried excavation but I will tell you that mining was one that I found particularly difficult and annoying.

If you are going to mine you need to have level 20 Smithing and Goldsmithing or at least use your mining to work your way up to them. Otherwise mining in lower areas will be pretty fruitless. I doubt you have GobbieBagVI done so you'll have an extreme minimum of inventory space. You'll need Field gear (all but one piece that I can't remember that doesn't affect mining) to help you out and will need to bring a ton of pickaxes. Pickaxes tend to break far more often than hatchets.

You'll need to use some online maps (http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/gulif/ziq_topeng.html) and make yourself a route to visit all or most of the mining points in an area in a continuous pattern mining (and crafting) as you go. Not sure what level you are but I'm pretty sure I can safely say you should only mine in Zeruhn or at best Palborough. The extremely limitedness of where you can mine and what you can mine there can make mining a turn off at early levels. I'd suggest maybe staying away from it until you have some crafts up and maybe have WHM to 25 so that you can sneak/invis around the harder mining spots.


Fishing
Fishing can probably be one of the easiest ways to make money at lower levels but you've gotta understand some basics about how it works. Fishing gear is less important now than it once was but I'd still invest in some to help you reel stuff in. The type of fish you catch are based on location and bait. You can use a particular bait to target a particular type of fish.

A good low level example is that you would use Little Worms to target Crayfish and Moat Carp at Knightwell. If you used Insect Balls you would no longer target the crayfish and only the moat carp. This is why most guides will tell you to use Little Worms until 7 to get extra skill ups. When you have low or no skill in fishing it'll be much more frustrating so keep that in mind. I'd highly suggest fishing at Knightwell in West Ronfaure for the best money and skill ups at your level. You'll end up catching a lot of Moat Carp that can be decent profit.

You've also got two types of rods. Wooden and Synthetic. As I recall Wooden are more responsive in that they will deplete hte fish's stamina faster but are more prone to break. Synthetic rods are much less likely to break and will deplete it a little slower. I'd suggest from 1-11 using a Halcyon rod. It's not very likely that it'll break at all at those levels and the fish aren't such a pain in the ass that the slower stamina decline is much of an issue. Keep in mind that if you break most of the higher price rods (Hume, Mithran, Halcyon) that you can sell them back usually for exactly how much the unbroken rod was worth so it's not much of a lost to get one broken... just a pain.

[Lionx]

http://s7.invisionfree.com/TheCraft/index.php?showtopic=684


Read, now!

[Yeargdribble]

That is an AWESOME post Lionx. It just oozes with truth. People can try to spoon feed you info all day long but in the end if you can't be resourceful enough to take advantage of the vast amounts of information out there you're gonna be frustrated in the end with most things in the game.

Everyone has to start somewhere learning how to learn (sounds confusing) but eventually you have to be independant.

[Markus. D]

okay then :)

well, I started crafting with ores, its confusing but amusing, thanks for ze help.


yes Yeargdribble, eventually I will be, well... I actually want to become a Mentor in a few years... so I goto provode for others then, while still learning ovcourse. ^_^

[Beyond]

http://www.vanadiel-pub.net/fishing/fishingindex.htm

Useful enough.

[strawberryman]

I'd suggest maybe staying away from it until you have some crafts up and maybe have WHM to 25 so that you can sneak/invis around the harder mining spots.

Ifrits Cauldron > WHM25+

[Yeargdribble]

Heh, once upon a time a 25+ WHM could own IC if they were really smart about sneak/invis. Sadly SE nerfed the 'drop-rate' there and getting O and A ores is rare as crap now /cry

[Markus. D]

ooooooh :)