Like-abilaty of FF8

[Squall_VIII]

Is it me or are there not as many fans of FF8 as other FF titles?

[G SpOtZ]

A lot of people are impatient, therefore they don't get the full effect of FF8. Also, most people don't take the time to learn and master the junctioning system, which is key.

But yeah, there aren't that many FF8 fans... but I know that most FF8 fans absolutely love FF8, including myself.

[Squall_VIII]

yup me to best FF title in my opinion:)

If your gonna buy an FF game you know it wont be easy and im not satisfied untill i reach the end

[BardTard]

FF8 is my favorite of all of them. I loved the storyline and characters and music. :D Then FFX-2 is my second favorite.

FF8 kicks ass!

[Chris]

On the contrary, I think this site have many FF8 followers. They're just more relaxed about their fanboyism, well, except for Future Esthar. :(

[Squall_VIII]

liberati fatali.....legendry:D

lol maybe so

[Leeza]

Squall_VII: you are new to the site so maybe it might be a good idea for you to read our FAQ. Especially this section. (http://forums.eyesonff.com/faq.php?faq=vb_board_usage#faq_eoff_rules)

Please to no double post, that is, post more than once in a row. Use the edit/delete button if you wish to add to your last post if no one else has posted yet after you.

[SeeDRankLou]

It's not that there aren't many FFVIII fans, it's that the FFVIII haters are really loud, second only to the FFX-2 haters (most members of one are members of both). You see various people hate on every FF, but none quite so loudly as the aforementioned two.

[Xurts]

I think it's because FF8 is different from other FFs, and it isn't as easy to understand. People who dislike it usually suck at it and/or don't understand how the Junction system works. So instead of blaming themselves for being complete idiots, they blame the game.

I love FF8, and I have spent more work on this one than any other FF that I have played. I have a hard time choosing whether I like 7, 8, or 9 the most. They are all magnificent games and should be played by anyone who is a fan of the series.

[Captain Maxx Power]

On the contrary, I think this site have many FF8 followers. They're just more relaxed about their fanboyism, well, except for Future Esthar. :(

Hey, let's not bring down FE, master of the insane non-sensical theory.

And it's true, FF8's one of those games you've just got to get into. The relationship between Squall and Rinoa is cute at best, but it gives you a kind of warm fuzzy feeling inside.

[Lychon]

Is it me or are there not as many fans of FF8 as other FF titles?

What the hell are you talking about? Final Fantasy VIII is arguably the MOST popular Final Fantasy, only surpassed perhaps by the original fan boys of Final Fantasy VII.

FFVIII is the greatest FF ever made, and it will only continue to grow in popularity.


-LYCHON

[Darkwing Bahamut]

I personally liked FFVIII, it's probably my second favourite FF game, next to FFX. But I suppose it's really one of those "love it or hate it" types... most people were put off by the Junctioning system.

[Arrianna]

Most people I know of who don't like VIII never finished it, and yes, Junctioning is key.

I don't know how many fans there are of any of the FF's but I do know that this section of the forum is very active. So whatever that's worth.

[Yuffie514]

i look back down the road of all the Final Fantasy games i've finished, and there is nothing like Final Fantasy VIII. i spent a lot of time on it, quite possibly more than Final Fantasy VII. the only reason for hanging around Final Fantasy X too long is to get everyone Break HP Limit. i played Final Fantasy VIII each time with joy...

[Zeromus_X]

Final Fantasy VIII, unfortunately, does get it's share of 'horrible idiots'. I still believe it isn't that bad of a game. Granted, I couldn't care less about little things like 'omg Rinoa is so annoying!' and 'Time Compression doesn't make sense', and a surreal ending hooks me anyway, but still. (Not talking about the people who think it's 'too modern' or what other rubbish.) The Junction System, flawed as it is, was nonetheless innovative and pretty unique.

And Zell. :cat: :love:

Edit: I'll never forget the person that actually said a 'gun-sword isn't realistic'. That made my day.

[~SapphireStar~]

Im a huge FF8 fan, got the collection of figures and the OST which cost me £60 5 years ago :D It was the first FF and RPG I played, so it ranks as the number one game for me.

[Laguna]

I love FFVIII.

That's all I can say really, its awesome.

[Squall_VIII]

Thanks Leeza for the FAQ tip, but let me just say that I am amassive fan of Final Fantasy 8 and I just find it anoying when people dis it when they havn't even played it or as aforementioned; could'nt cope with the junctioning system

[~SapphireStar~]

I just find it anoying when people dis it when they havn't even played it or as aforementioned; could'nt cope with the junctioning system
Dont go down this road. So what if people diss it. Its not ruining the game is it? People will still continue to play and enjoy it. Just ignore those who hate it.

[daggertrepe]

This game is pretty likeable, I'll give it a 7 out of 10. FFIX is my favorite, as you can see, and FFVII is my second favorite. X and VIII are tied with me right now, but I think I'm leaning towards VIII. :D

I think I never enjoyed the game before because I didn't understand how to junction. But, I recently learned that I have to collect 100 of each magic, and it's a hassel, but it's fun. The results are great after that!

[Rocket Edge]

I love FFVIII.

That's all I can say really, its awesome.

[Angelroo]

"well, except for Future Esthar"

Har Har I love Future Esthar and all of his bizarre entertaining theories. Anyone else find him amusing? :p

[Shiny]

Is it me or are there not as many fans of FF8 as other FF titles?
There must not be too many FF8 haters since it's the second top selling FF I think. Or maybe third...other FF's are better imo.

[IceAngel]

I loved this game and still do. It has to be my favourite. It was my first FF so that might be why I love it. Everyone keeps on about the Junctioning system being confuzzling but I thought FF7 was confuzzling (equiping and all that) but that could be because I got used to this one. Its true though, I've found that not a lot of people continued to buy FF's because of this game. Again its probably one of those 'hate it or love it' things.

[Xurts]

This game is pretty likeable, I'll give it a 7 out of 10. FFIX is my favorite, as you can see, and FFVII is my second favorite. X and VIII are tied with me right now, but I think I'm leaning towards VIII. :D

I think I never enjoyed the game before because I didn't understand how to junction. But, I recently learned that I have to collect 100 of each magic, and it's a hassel, but it's fun. The results are great after that!
You can't stock 100 of every type of magic. You can only stock 32 different spells. There is much more than 32 spells that can be drawn, so you have to be careful what you draw, and you should only draw the magic that you absolutely need. Because those slots fill up quickly.

[Slade]

FFVIII was my first and is my all time favorite. I also believe it has some of the best summon and magic animations of the series and the best cast of characters with the most believable personalities. People will argue, but I don't really give a crap :D

[Jessweeee♪]

I personally liked FFVIII, it's probably my second favourite FF game, next to FFX. But I suppose it's really one of those "love it or hate it" types... most people were put off by the Junctioning system.

Word for word that is exactly what I was going to say!

I loved the Junction system!! After you get the ragnarok and have access to Cactuar Island and the good drawpoints the game is just way to easy. (a tip for you guys who don't get it, good draw points are at the island closest to heaven/hell and you gain 20ap from 1 cactuar. refining items is a good way to get magic)


As for X-2, I used to hate it then I realized that it was my fault for not doing everything. Now I don't mind it much, but I killed it.

[Kamrusepas]

Is it me or are there not as many fans of FF8 as other FF titles?

Just you. I don't know, it just seems to me like a lot [=more than I thought I'd find] of people do seem to love FFVIII after all.

[Squall_VIII]

Good to hear! Well I started this thread becouse the people I know who are FF fans all prefer VII or X. (allways knew they were wrong but the would'nt accept it!):)

[Moon Rabbits]

Play FFIII and IV, and then VIII...

Then you've played the best three Final Fantasies!

[daggertrepe]

This game is pretty likeable, I'll give it a 7 out of 10. FFIX is my favorite, as you can see, and FFVII is my second favorite. X and VIII are tied with me right now, but I think I'm leaning towards VIII. :D

I think I never enjoyed the game before because I didn't understand how to junction. But, I recently learned that I have to collect 100 of each magic, and it's a hassel, but it's fun. The results are great after that!
You can't stock 100 of every type of magic. You can only stock 32 different spells. There is much more than 32 spells that can be drawn, so you have to be careful what you draw, and you should only draw the magic that you absolutely need. Because those slots fill up quickly.

That's what I meant. :)

[Devourment]

I like FFVIII just as much as VII, & VIII was the first FF game that I played. I think it is a great game, & equals up to VII in terms of how hard the game is to complete.

I don't mind the juntioning system, but after a while it gets a bit annoying. Could have just stuck with the norm...

I hate the fact that you have to wait until near enough the end of the game before you can level up until you have all the GFs. Otherwise you're stats will get messed up & you'll be weak, which in the long run means you really aren't going to win the final battle.

[atlanteay]

ffviii is my first final fantasy game and my first RPG game. I loved it. I played it many times through and spent a long time on it because i'm fascinated by what each character might say. The junction system never bothered me even when i didn't get it because it seemed cool and i got it after my second time playing the game and the junction system became more useful than i thought and it's easily the best thing ever for me at taht time.

this forum has many ffviii lovers. If you want to see ffviii haters, go to adventchildren.com...that place has lots of ffviii haters, it's sad:eep:

[Xurts]

I like FFVIII just as much as VII, & VIII was the first FF game that I played. I think it is a great game, & equals up to VII in terms of how hard the game is to complete.

I don't mind the juntioning system, but after a while it gets a bit annoying. Could have just stuck with the norm...

I hate the fact that you have to wait until near enough the end of the game before you can level up until you have all the GFs. Otherwise you're stats will get messed up & you'll be weak, which in the long run means you really aren't going to win the final battle.
Noes! The Junctioning system and magic are what makes FF8 so unique and different. If it wasn't for that, then it would be just about like any other FF. It's such a relief not having to fuss about MP and learning other magic and abilities. It gives you more time to enjoy the storyline. At the beginning of the game, the GF's abilities take awhile to learn, but once you are mobile you can just go over to Centra and fight Cactaurs. You can easily get 500 AP in just a couple minutes.

You characters will be far from weak without stat boosting if they have the proper magic junctioned. Ultimecia is perfectly easy without doing it. Stat boosting just makes her even more of a pushover. You could do the whole game without boosting, and probably even take down Omega. It just makes your characters even more badass and unstoppable. It is no where near required to beat the final bosses, though.

[Peabob]

I think square made the junctioning system far too difficult to get into for the average gamer. I know that on my first two plays through I just hit auto-attack for the set up. Was only after I spent an hour or two one day reading a junction guide that I started to understand it. After that it was one of the most fun magic systems in an FF game. But you can see how some people didn't have the time for it with the release of FFIX which had a pretty much idiot-proof system.

[~SapphireStar~]

Good to hear! Well I started this thread becouse the people I know who are FF fans all prefer VII or X. (allways knew they were wrong but the would'nt accept it!)
You sound like an arrogant fanboy here. No they werent wrong cause they prefered 7 or 10 to 8. Its your friends opinions on what they chose to like, not yours.

[Squall_VIII]

ok sorry I meant in my opinion they were wrong :(

[darkchrono]

I am not sure where you guys are getting this whole thing where the main reason people don't like ff8 is because of the junctioning system.

In all honesty the junctioning system doesn't have a thing to do with it. The main reason people do not like ff8 is because of the poor character development and the fact that only two people in the entire game really matter at all. Everyone else is pretty much just there to fill in gaps in the party.

The only reason people bring up the junctioning system is because they do not want to take the time to learn it because they have no interest in the characters they are playing with. If the characters were actually interesting people would take the time to learn the junctioning system and it wouldn't bother them.

I know the whole poor character development thing has been said over and over again and even the ff8 fans admit the development was pretty weak in many areas.

But the gripes about the junctioning system is a direct result of the characters in the game that just aren't that interesting. And the uninteresting characters is the main reason why alot of folks don't like 8.

[Qurange]

That's pure opinion, though; I played it, and loved the characters. There was a lot to them, and a lot of subtle development, even if it might have been better had they been given more. To say that only two characters mattered is to show that a person didn't care enough to /look/ at the others--which is fine, different things for different people, but.

Most of the people who didn't like FF8 just didn't like it because it wasn't their kind of game.

[darkchrono]

Well from alot of discussions about the game on boards like these that seems to be the opinion of alot of folks.

[_yeojina_]

I was put ON by the junctioning system. Dunno why, maybe I just wanted to see all the coloured numbers.

[snakebyte91]

Good to hear! Well I started this thread becouse the people I know who are FF fans all prefer VII or X. (allways knew they were wrong but the would'nt accept it!)
You sound like an arrogant fanboy here. No they werent wrong cause they prefered 7 or 10 to 8. Its your friends opinions on what they chose to like, not yours.

sorry but that doesnt mean he is definetly being arrogant when i read it i thought lol.

[snakebyte91]

any way i love ff8 ithink its one of the best if not THE BEST however when poeple say the junctioning system is flawed i get a bit irritated. cos i love the system now that im old enough to understand it (when i bought the game i was a 10 year old and REALLY IMPATIANT).

[Shin Gouken]

I am not sure where you guys are getting this whole thing where the main reason people don't like ff8 is because of the junctioning system.

In all honesty the junctioning system doesn't have a thing to do with it. The main reason people do not like ff8 is because of the poor character development and the fact that only two people in the entire game really matter at all. Everyone else is pretty much just there to fill in gaps in the party.

The only reason people bring up the junctioning system is because they do not want to take the time to learn it because they have no interest in the characters they are playing with. If the characters were actually interesting people would take the time to learn the junctioning system and it wouldn't bother them.

I know the whole poor character development thing has been said over and over again and even the ff8 fans admit the development was pretty weak in many areas.

But the gripes about the junctioning system is a direct result of the characters in the game that just aren't that interesting. And the uninteresting characters is the main reason why alot of folks don't like 8.


Are you suggesting that FFVIII's character development is worse than VII's? FFVII has the same problem you just pointed out with VIII. And that is that the majority of the characters are irelivent to the plot. You wanna explain to me how Yuffie, Cid, Cait sith or redxiii have anything to do with the plot after their initial introductions? Most of the side characters developments comes from sidequests and requires you to do the work to develop their character

[darkchrono]

No, VII's development is many times better than VIII's is.

In VII you get a rather lengthy and detailed backstory on each main character (and even a few non playable characters).

In VIII all you really find out about characters other than Squall and Rinoa is that they ended up being in the same orphanage together (which is an absolutely ridiculous plot point. And just confimed many people's opinions about 8 not being an interesting game).


And if you say you have to develop the other characters through sidequests well then that brings up one very big point.

If you have to develop the characters through sidequests than there must not be much development there (those are the types of things you do for Yuffie or Vincent who are two completely optional characters . Not for characters like Zell or Quistis who were there from the very beginning of the game practically.

Most people if they do not enjoy the characters they will not enjoy the game. And in order to enjoy them you need to learn things about them. So you shouldn't make getting to know the main characters an optional part of the game.

That is why ff8 is overall one of the least liked games in the final fantasy series. Because there just wasn't a whole lot to many of the characters.

[snakebyte91]

No, VII's development is many times better than VIII's is.

In VII you get a rather lengthy and detailed backstory on each main character (and even a few non playable characters).

In VIII all you really find out about characters other than Squall and Rinoa is that they ended up being in the same orphanage together (which is an absolutely ridiculous plot point. And just confimed many people's opinions about 8 not being an interesting game).


And if you say you have to develop the other characters through sidequests well then that brings up one very big point.

If you have to develop the characters through sidequests than there must not be much development there (those are the types of things you do for Yuffie or Vincent who are two completely optional characters . Not for characters like Zell or Quistis who were there from the very beginning of the game practically.

Most people if they do not enjoy the characters they will not enjoy the game. And in order to enjoy them you need to learn things about them. So you shouldn't make getting to know the main characters an optional part of the game.

That is why ff8 is overall one of the least liked games in the final fantasy series. Because there just wasn't a whole lot to many of the characters.

i find that going through side quests to learn and develop the characters a good point in the game. it is a unique feature to this game and if you dont want to develop ur characters at least you wont have sit through hours of pointless fmvs if you have already played through the game.

[Shin Gouken]

No, VII's development is many times better than VIII's is.

In VII you get a rather lengthy and detailed backstory on each main character (and even a few non playable characters).

In VIII all you really find out about characters other than Squall and Rinoa is that they ended up being in the same orphanage together (which is an absolutely ridiculous plot point. And just confimed many people's opinions about 8 not being an interesting game).


And if you say you have to develop the other characters through sidequests well then that brings up one very big point.

If you have to develop the characters through sidequests than there must not be much development there (those are the types of things you do for Yuffie or Vincent who are two completely optional characters . Not for characters like Zell or Quistis who were there from the very beginning of the game practically.

Most people if they do not enjoy the characters they will not enjoy the game. And in order to enjoy them you need to learn things about them. So you shouldn't make getting to know the main characters an optional part of the game.

That is why ff8 is overall one of the least liked games in the final fantasy series. Because there just wasn't a whole lot to many of the characters.

i find that going through side quests to learn and develop the characters a good point in the game. it is a unique feature to this game and if you dont want to develop ur characters at least you wont have sit through hours of pointless fmvs if you have already played through the game.


Agrred.. I get so bored with character development when you dislike the characters. It's so much better to see the development by doing sidequests

[snakebyte91]

wow a forum full of people who actualy back you up (this is great)

[darkchrono]

To each his own. But that is a big reason why alot of people didn't care for alot of the ff8 characters. And why ff8 will never be viewed in the same regard as ff7 is.

[Qurange]

That works, except that FFVIII /did/ present much more information than just the bits about the orphanage at the Trabia scene; each of the main characters /was/ given spotlight, both on their roles in the Garden and on what happened with them after the orphanage. Sure, not all of the details are given, just as not all of the details were given in FF7, but it's an exaggeration to say that FF8 had no character development, unless I was hallucinating all of the clear differences in the characters. That, and the ridiculousness of the memory loss plot point is completely based in opinion.

The trick to most of this, though, is opinion--and it bothers me a bit to see people deliberately ignore a game's good point to make their favorite game look better, when it's certainly not perfect, either. FF8 does have a lot of fans, and did very well--but it's one of those games that one usually either loves or hates.

[darkchrono]

Can you list some of the backstories of characters like Zell, Quistis, and Irvine..... excetra.....
What did they tell about these characters through the sidequests.

Not trying to say anything bad about the game by any responses somebody may give. I just never caught any of those backstories the time I played the game and I don't really want to go back and replay the game in order to find them out.

[Qurange]

Through sidequests? We mostly just got personality elements out of most of them, with a couple of background things thrown in. In the game, though, they threaded most of their history--Quistis being from the orphanage, for instance, but also having had an adoptive home, coming to Garden, essentially being a prodigy, studying at Galbadia, etc. Reading between the lines can expand this even more. Selphie's friends are an important background bit because they tie into her obsession with the Garden festival; Zell is the easiest on that mark, because of his family ties in Balamb, and so forth.

The background information is there, it's just presented differently than in FF7--and, I admit, one of the things I liked about FF8 over FF7 is that it had a much more coherent setting, as far as I saw.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

Can you list some of the backstories of characters like Zell, Quistis, and Irvine..... excetra.....
What did they tell about these characters through the sidequests.

All of those characters had their backstory told within the game. The all grew up in the same orphanage, joined SeeD and forgot about it.

Really, it wasn't so much that no backstory was given that made the characters boring; it was the fact that most of them virtually had the SAME backstory.

[darkchrono]

Honestly I thought the first disc of ff8 was really good. I liked the military setting that they created as the basis for the game. And I thought the whole idea about them sending these guys out to assassinate somebody was pretty interesting.

But then the plot development really seemed to slow down. Instead of them advancing upon this military and war setting that they started out with they instead turned it into some love story full of characters they were making it difficult to get to know.

One thing that I do find a little odd is that a game which is meant to be a character drama for the most part had quite an awkward way of developing those characters. You would think that if any game needed a solid and defined character developing system it would be ff8 (a game which pretty much was supposed to revolve around how the characters felt towards eachother.)

[tomamar04]

Woo! My first post on the FFVIII forum!

FFVIII is my second favourite after FFX, and surpasses FFVII in ever area in my opinion. I just find the chracters so much more likeable, diverse, and realistic than any other Final Fantasy title (other than FFX)

Everyone I talk to at college hates FFVIII though, they say it has no story what-so-ever.

I think it's lack of relative popularity compared to VII is because it's the most realistic of the FF titles. Many people don't like that.

[snakebyte91]

Woo! My first post on the FFVIII forum!

FFVIII is my second favourite after FFX, and surpasses FFVII in ever area in my opinion. I just find the chracters so much more likeable, diverse, and realistic than any other Final Fantasy title (other than FFX)

Everyone I talk to at college hates FFVIII though, they say it has no story what-so-ever.

I think it's lack of relative popularity compared to VII is because it's the most realistic of the FF titles. Many people don't like that.

i feel sorry for you mate...i mean no story at all?! what game have they been playing?:p

[The Last Oath]

Yep, All is True. People dont accept the whole concept of ff8, but ff8 fans love it heaps! (ME)