Viator -- The Last Revelation

[Viator]

I will answer the mystery behind Ultimecia’s paintings
First you have to know that Ultimecia is the one who painting it.
So Ultimecia is a painter (I don’t want to argue about this painter thing).
I hope someone will show that painting in this thread because I can’t find it.

Intervigilium/Sleep represents “Eternal”.As long as you are sleep you are still alive.Ultimecia is Eternal (you can read the expalanation in My thread "Rev of the Truth").

Ignus/Fire represents two things; First “Passion”.Ultimecia has strong passion to achieve Time Compression.
Second “Anger”.Ultimecia angry to human and everything she hates.These two things are right no matter how you look at it.

Inandantia/Flood represents “Powerful Force”.Ultimecia has powerful magic.

Iudicium/Judgment represents “Misery”. Once Ultimecia achieved Time Compression she will create a Dimension for human to make human's life misery.

Vigil/Watchman represents “Sorceress Knight”.I dont want to explain anything about this one.

Viator/Messenger represents “Message/Secret” .Ultimecia wants to find/will to find this Message/Secret.

Venus/Love represents “Love” This is the fact that Ultimecia ever loves Someone.

Xiphias/Swordfish represents “Freedom”.Swordfish is one of the fastest of all fish.It’s scaleless, muscular body is designed for high-speed swimming. This fish can swim at speeds up to 60 miles (97 kilometers) per hour.Swordfish is free in ocean and hard to catch because of their high-speed swimming. So Ultimecia wants freedom,she can has the freedom to do anything once She achieved Time Compression.

Xerampelinae/Red Clothes represents "Mystery".Ultimecia painted a Women with red clothes and it's WEIRD Ultimecia only name it (the painting) with Xerampelinae/Red Clothes.What the Women purpose then? It is still a mystery.
So it represents the mystery of Herself.

Xystus/Tree-lined road represents "The Never Ending Journey".Ultimecia painted Someone in that painting.And this Person run through the Tree-lined road.You dont need to know who this Person is,I wont tell you.

Inaudax/Cowardice represents “Cowardice” Ultimecia sees human as a coward this “Cowardice” represents human's life in
Ultimecia’s perspective.

Vividarium/Garden represents “Happiness” Ultimecia wants happiness, the only happiness She wants is when she achieved Time Compression.

The meaning of Vividarium et Intervigilium et Viator is In the Garden Sleeps a Messenger.
Ultimecia is the one who make that painting.Ultimecia painted a Man sleeps in the garden.And this man is a messenger.
Garden represents Viator’s life in the perspective of Ultimecia.
If you look at the face of that Man you will actually see Squall’s face.
YES The Man in that painting IS Squall in the eyes of Ultimecia.That Man represents Squall.
Viator IS Squall Leonhart.
Viator sleeps and he will wake up someday to deliver message.
Squall Leonhart ; Sleeping Lionheart.
This Lion/Squall will wake up someday.
It’s a bad situation if you know the Lion is awake. This Lion/Squall will KILL You/Ultimecia if He/Squall wakes up.
Remember Odin said “The Heaven hath decreed Thy Fate PERISH BY MY SWORD!”(btw this is not the case I just take the example)
if you fail to fight Odin after time is over.
It’s the same thing,"Squall will decree Ultimecia’s Fate PERISH BY HIS SWORD!"
So Squall is Messenger of Fate for Ultimecia.
That Message/Secret is Ultimecia’s Fate.




Vividarium
Et
Intervigilium
Et
Viator

[Qurange]

A) what's your basis other than speculation

B) how is this relevant anyway other than as fanfiction fodder?

[Viator]

I already answer that mystery and you seem dont like it,who cares.

[Christmas]

INTERVIGILIUM (Sleep) - The sleep magic
VIVIDARIUM (Garden) - The Garden of SeeD
VIATOR (Messenger) - Diablo's dark messenger attack

Big Picture: In A Garden Sleeps A Messenger:

Diablos sleeps inside the magical lamp which is given in Balamb garden,


Anyone can have their interpretatons of their own like future Esthar having his but since there is nothing much to verify it, I can't say much about those pictures only that it make the boss appear that's all.

[Viator]

I will stay that Ultimecia is the one painted all the painting.
So all that painting represent Her feelings about something

[Christmas]

I will said that PuPu painted them all.

[Viator]

Come on,Ultimecia is the one painted them all,accept it.

[Christmas]

Come on,Ultimecia PuPu is the one painted them all,accept it.

[Viator]

Christmas please stop that.

[Serapy]

You think Ultimecia can draw or paint?

How does Ultimecia has a BIG castle? Her own castle? I doubt Ultimecia built it by her own hands, same concept as the painting ones because its part of the castle. I'm pretty sure that one of Ultimecia's magic or something created the castle and everything in it, doesn't mean she painted the paintings.

[Rand Al'Tor]

I tend to be... sceptical of anyone who starts his threads with an attitude of 'this is the truth' We're all just people with an oppinion here. As to who painted the picture? Considering the castle DOES belong to Ulti, it'sl ikely that if Ulti didn't paint it, it's at least there with her approval.

My oppinion of 'In the Garden Sleeps a Messenger'?

I tend to think that we have to consider the 'Greek' term of 'messenger', that being 'angelos', especially since the whole thing has a 'genesisy' feel. 'In the Garden sleeps an angel' (Diablos is a dark messenger, a dark angel) Who wears angel wings and spend some time in a coma in Garden?

Rinoa.

[insert R=U rambling here]

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

Ok just a few points:

1)How do you know that Ultimecia painted the paintings?

2)In the painting with the title "Tree-lined road" it´s not a person that you see in fact it´s a chocobo take a good look at it and you´ll see it"

3) The messenger might not be Squall since Ultimecia may die may not only his sword, cause you can kill her with Zell, Quistis, Selphie, Irvine or Rinoa

The second point might be a manner of perpesctive but the other two are correct.

[Jack]

Are you ready?

*falls asleep*

[BardTard]

wow. very interesting... I'd go look at the paintings but I can't find them online and I don't wanna leave the computer... I'm so torn right now. but that was really interesting.

[Zeromus_X]

Y'know maybe they're just paintings. Maybe the developers put them there because it makes an interesting puzzle. I highly doubt the developers put much more thought into it than that.

[Qurange]

To be fair, the developers aren't the question--some of us like to have coherent explanations in-game for in-game issues.

And while it's an interesting idea that Ultimecia painted them (I've seen it done in fanfics before and done well), I don't buy into the theories as a whole.

[G SpOtZ]

In the Garden Sleeps a Messenger...

Trauma pops out behind you. Ahh!

You fight him, and you beat him.

Bye bye room with paintings!

... That's about it. Yeah. It's a puzzle. Did you ever think it could have referred to Trauma, who is a messenger or knight of Ulti, that happened to be sleeping in a room with a lot (or a garden) or paintings?

[Viator]

You think Ultimecia can draw or paint?

Everybody can draw or paint.



1)How do you know that Ultimecia painted the paintings?

I already said that I dont want to argue about this painter thing.
If you dont believe it who cares.


I tend to think that we have to consider the 'Greek' term of 'messenger', that being 'angelos', especially since the whole thing has a 'genesisy' feel. 'In the Garden sleeps an angel' (Diablos is a dark messenger, a dark angel) Who wears angel wings and spend some time in a coma in Garden?

How the hell Ultimecia can know anything about Diablos?
How the hell Ultimecia knows that Diablos sleeps in the Magic Lamp?
Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia.
So the Man in that painting describe Squall.


The meaning of Vividarium et Intervigilium et Viator is In the Garden Sleeps a Messenger.
Ultimecia is the one who make that painting.Ultimecia painted a Man sleeps in the garden.And this man is a messenger.
Garden represents Viator’s life in the perspective of Ultimecia.
If you look at the face of that Man you will actually see Squall’s face.
YES The Man in that painting IS Squall in the eyes of Ultimecia.That Man represents Squall.
Viator IS Squall Leonhart.
Viator sleeps and he will wake up someday to deliver message.
Squall Leonhart ; Sleeping Lionheart.
This Lion/Squall will wake up someday.
It’s a bad situation if you know the Lion is awake. This Lion/Squall will KILL You/Ultimecia if He/Squall wakes up.
Remember Odin said “The Heaven hath decreed Thy Fate PERISH BY MY SWORD!”(btw this is not the case I just take the example)
if you fail to fight Odin after time is over.
It’s the same thing,"Squall will decree Ultimecia’s Fate PERISH BY HIS SWORD!"
So Squall is Messenger of Fate for Ultimecia.
That Message/Secret is Ultimecia’s Fate.


2)In the painting with the title "Tree-lined road" it´s not a person that you see in fact it´s a chocobo take a good look at it and you´ll see it"

You are right that is chocobo.I thought there's Someone ride that chocobo.
But still the meaning still the same.


Xystus/Tree-lined road represents "The Never Ending Journey".Ultimecia painted Someone in that painting.And this Person run through the Tree-lined road.You dont need to know who this Person is,I wont tell you.



Inandantia/Flood represents “Powerful Force”.Ultimecia has powerful magic.

Flood can destroy everything in its path.Ultimecia want to show that her power can destroy everything.

[Qurange]

Why would Ultimecia bother painting /after/ she started going crazy, though?

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

She had nothing better to do cause she was always stuck in the castle:rolleyes2

[Viator]

Why would Ultimecia bother painting /after/ she started going crazy, though?

That is the way how She show her feelings about something.

[G SpOtZ]

Why would Ultimecia bother painting /after/ she started going crazy, though?

That is the way how She show her feelings about something.
I kind of figured she was showing her feelings by compressing time. But I don't know, because that's just a completely random guess out of nowhere. I mean, Time Compression? Psh, I probably just pulled that right outta my ass, didn't I? What the hell do Time Compression and Ulti's anger have anything to do with each other?

Boy, I sure am crazy. :rolleyes2

[Viator]

What the hell do Time Compression and Ulti's anger have anything to do with each other?

What do you mean?Can you explain it.

[G SpOtZ]

What the hell do Time Compression and Ulti's anger have anything to do with each other?

What do you mean?Can you explain it.
Gosh, I hate explaining sarcasm haha.
I was being sarcastic, it was a joke. It's possible that Ulti would express her feelings through paintings, but anything's possible. However, we know that Ulti compressed time out of anger and the feeling of hatred... and well, because she's evil, and she wants to take over the world and whatnot. The paintings were a mere puzzle for you to figure out to reach Trauma... Take the Catoblepas puzzle, for instance. z0mg!! Th0se boxes must have to do with Ulti somehow! Mebbeh the order that the boxes had to be opened and closed has to do with how she raped the white SeeDs and then used to have a husband who is actually Rajin in the future! It all makes sense now.

I'm a bit too harsh, aren't I? =\

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've gotten my point across.

[Qurange]

Well, a little harsh, but your point stands; I can see Ultimecia as a painter before she went nuts, but that's fanfic material. After she started her plan, I don't see her using paintings as anything but maybe decoration or trapping; she's expressing her feelings by trying to compress time already, why do overkill?

[Viator]

How can you know She went nuts?
I dont think Ultimecia is crazy or something like that.She just want to find the Truth by achieve TC.
She wants to achieve TC because She has her own reason.
Well you can express your feelings through painting right?

[Qurange]

If we assume that Ultimecia isn't crazy, then certainly, she might've had reason to paint these things. She just didn't /act/ particularly sane, from what I saw. She acted more like a megalomaniacal psycho.

[Viator]

Of course She is not crazy.
Just because you see Her like crazy doesnt mean She is crazy.
And I never see Her do anything crazy.
I think She acted like .... Well I cant describe it.

[G SpOtZ]

Yeah. She went nuts with the make-up on her face too. Maybe she IS an artist.

Though... Adel... I don't know if that's make-up... S/he was just as messed up like Ulti. *shrug*

Seriously though... If the paintings were of ANYTHING else, people could STILL make theories about them, no matter what. Everything can be perceived a certain way and twisted to connect Ulti.

[Viator]

That paintings painted by Ultimecia just to show Her feelings about something.So that means all the painting has its own meaning and I already solved that mystery.

[G SpOtZ]

That paintings painted by Ultimecia just to show Her feelings about something.So that means all the painting has its own meaning and I already solved that mystery.
But what about the boxes for the Catoblepas puzzle? She must have made those too. Why don't those have significance like the paintings?

[Viator]

But what about the boxes for the Catoblepas puzzle? She must have made those too. Why don't those have significance like the paintings?

Good question,why dont we figure it out now.
I still thinking.You should think about that too.

[G SpOtZ]

Maybe she was a carpenter AND a painter! So, she was pretty good at wood-working, and she got a little frustrated with SeeDs and wanted to put them into little boxes and lock em up forever, and if they ever escaped, Catoblepas would attack! But of course, she couldn't just STUFF them in little boxes, so she built the boxes out of frustration and confusion, and Catoblepas watches to keep guard.

Now that we got that out of the way, what of the other puzzles?

[Viator]

I think Ultimecia have jail for SeeD.
So your explanation is wrong.Think again

[G SpOtZ]

How do you figure that Ulti has a jail for SeeDs? All those white SeeDs outside of her castle near Edea's place are dead...

Maybe she went shopping at the Gucci store and didn't know what to do with the empty boxes.

[Viator]

Red Giant guard that jail,remember.
So Ultimecia has jail in Her castle.

[G SpOtZ]

But... there's only one jail cell. And one skeletal corpse. Why aren't there any SeeD corpses in there?

[Viator]

Square only make a simple description about how Ultimecia looks like.
And of course in reality that must be big jail.

[Zeromus_X]

Stop assuming things are true in context to the game. You aren't even bothering to prove your nonsensical theories right, you're just adding more garbage to the heap. I seriously hope that all of this is just one big joke.

[Viator]

Stop assuming things are true in context to the game. You aren't even bothering to prove your nonsensical theories right, you're just adding more garbage to the heap. I seriously hope that all of this is just one big joke.

I already prove it and just because you dont believe that 'proof' doesnt that mean that 'proof' is wrong.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

I think Ultimecia wa a dominatrix actually, i mean the jail with the skelleton, the armoury room full of sadistic weapons....she probably took the SeeDs into the castle putted them in her jail were they were rapped by the Red Giant and herself and them putted their death and rapped bodies outside the castle to make it look like an acident.

And don´t tell me it ins´t possible cause it is!

[Mirage]

In the Garden Sleeps a Messenger...

Trauma pops out behind you. Ahh!

You fight him, and you beat him.

Bye bye room with paintings!

... That's about it. Yeah. It's a puzzle. Did you ever think it could have referred to Trauma, who is a messenger or knight of Ulti, that happened to be sleeping in a room with a lot (or a garden) or paintings?
I think this explanation is the better. ;)

[Zeromus_X]

Stop assuming things are true in context to the game. You aren't even bothering to prove your nonsensical theories right, you're just adding more garbage to the heap. I seriously hope that all of this is just one big joke.

I already prove it and just because you dont believe that 'proof' doesnt that mean that 'proof' is wrong.

You aren't providing proof, you're just providing more and more garbage. If I said TC was a bagel filled with all the cream cheese in the universe and Squall used Lionheart to cut it into pieces for the whole party, only for there to be five pieces and six party members, and then Ultimecia came along and took them all, does that make it true? No, it doesn't.

Actually, that sounds really good right now. A bagel, I mean.

Anyway, seriously, this is a recurring pattern in this thread:


A) what's your basis other than speculation

B) how is this relevant anyway other than as fanfiction fodder?



I already answer that mystery and you seem dont like it,who cares.

Which doesn't answer any of the questions. So like I said, you're just assuming these things are true, when it's just a bunch of things you made up.

[Serapy]

Sure Ultemica can draw or paint, but you should think about her big castle, it's doubtful that she built it all by herself, while she is buliding her own castle which could take MANY years to finish. Undertand my point?

Many years ago, Ultemica's relatives started helping to each other to build the family castle (Ultemica's castle), or maybe they bought that castle. By that time, Ultemica was a child.

Then, Ultemica grew up.. she developed her strong feelings, she became a bad person .. took the whole castle all to herself, maybe she killed her relatives (cuz you see the damaged parts in her castle, maybe that explains she was fighting with her relatives, causing some parts of the castle to mess up).. or they all died because of "age" that castle is still owned by Ultemica's.

Well, however, you cant see the castle before TC, that's weird.. she was casting a TC and her castle appeared? Lol

im just making these stories up :)

[G SpOtZ]

I'm gonna pull out Future Esthar's theory out of nowhere.


FE said that Ulti's castle could be a later form of a Garden! WOW! Just look at it, it floats, it has a lil cloud circling around it like the ring around the garden, and.... stuff! Yeah. Definitely.





And with that, I conclude that Ulti, is in fact, Cid Kramer as a transexual. Why? Because Cid got evil after finding out Edea was a lesbian with Selphie after Selphie dumped Irvine... And so Cid turned Balamb Garden into a giant evil looking castle. Afterwards, he discovered that nobody would love him because he's so old and looks like Robin Williams, so he got a sex change. Thus, Ulti was born... with a lot of Botox and surgery. No magic, nooo. Also, I don't know how to explain the sorcery. Maybe it came with the sex change.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

I'm gonna pull out Future Esthar's theory out of nowhere.


FE said that Ulti's castle could be a later form of a Garden! WOW! Just look at it, it floats, it has a lil cloud circling around it like the ring around the garden, and.... stuff! Yeah. Definitely.





And with that, I conclude that Ulti, is in fact, Cid Kramer as a transexual. Why? Because Cid got evil after finding out Edea was a lesbian with Selphie after Selphie dumped Irvine... And so Cid turned Balamb Garden into a giant evil looking castle. Afterwards, he discovered that nobody would love him because he's so old and looks like Robin Williams, so he got a sex change. Thus, Ulti was born... with a lot of Botox and surgery. No magic, nooo. Also, I don't know how to explain the sorcery. Maybe it came with the sex change.

You´re a genious man i would never see things from that perspective amazing!!!I´m sure that even Viator will have to submit to your explanation.

[BardTard]

I didn't see Squall. I was just playing it (actually it is still playing...) and all I saw was a boy looking down. You can't possibly see a face. And if you can't see a face, how can you see Squall's face?

... :mog: ...

[Christmas]

I still think PuPu paints all those pictures.

[Viator]

Which doesn't answer any of the questions. So like I said, you're just assuming these things are true, when it's just a bunch of things you made up.

If you dont believe Me,who cares.


I didn't see Squall. I was just playing it (actually it is still playing...) and all I saw was a boy looking down. You can't possibly see a face. And if you can't see a face, how can you see Squall's face?

Maybe you dont see Squall's face,but you have to know that Squall will aging so His face will never same,His face will change when He grow older.What I am trying to say is that Man represents Squall.

We are talking about the painting,so stay on topic.

[G SpOtZ]

You ASSUME it represents Squall, yet you have no solid evidence that says it is Squall. This theory is primarily based on opinion...

And how the hell would you know what Squall looks like when he gets older? LOL

[Viator]

I said that Man represent Squall,and if you believe it or not it's the matter of perspective.

[G SpOtZ]

So, this whole theory is a matter of perspective. Ergo, fanfiction. *points to writer's corner*

[Viator]

You misunderstand now.

Anyway I am trying to answer that mystery and you dont believe it.
It doesnt really matter,I never force you to believe it.so who cares if you dont believe it.

[Zeromus_X]

Okay, are you not reading what I posted? You still aren't proving anything. Are you blind? Saying 'if you don't believe me, it doesn't matter' doesn't do anything for your 'argument'.

[Viator]

How can I prove that My answer is right?
That painting is Mystery and even I answer it I cant prove that My answer is right.
Because Ultimecia is the one who knows the answer.

So if you dont believe My answer,who cares.

[Zeromus_X]

Uh...then don't go off acting like your theory is the 'final revelation' and the absolute truth. It's a nice fanfiction, at least.

[Viator]

I dont like it when someone say fanfiction.

[G SpOtZ]

Sorry.

It's a fictional piece of writing. You said it yourself, you can't prove it... Therefore, it's based on perspective. So, you're basing this "revelation" on what you think the solution to the mystery is, and you have no evidence, just like you said.

Now if you DID have sufficient evidence, like from the game or something, then it'd be completely different.

[Viator]

How can we find any evidence about those paintings?
All we see just beautiful pictures with mystery and of course only Ultimecia can give the evidence about Her paintings.

And yeah I think My answer is the solution of that mystery.
(Well it just My opinion).

[Qurange]

I don't really see what the problem is with calling it fanfiction--except, of course, that fanfiction requires a finished (or in-progress) story, not just notes to make one.

It's /an/ explanation, sure, but I'd hardly call it a revelation--there a couple of theories in this thread that explain it just as well. Heck, maybe she used her powers (considerable, I'm sure) to form a castle just as she wanted it out of the ground, complete with all her paintings.

(But I admit, I /do/ like the idea that she painted them--I just think she did it before deciding to destroy everything.)

[Viator]

I have read many theories about this and I dont find answer so I want to answer it myself.So far I think the explanation I give about those painating is wonderful.My explanation describe Ultimecias feeling about something


(But I admit, I /do/ like the idea that she painted them--I just think she did it before deciding to destroy everything.)

I think My explanation give much information about Her.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

I´m sorry Viator but i hardly think that stating that she painted is as plausible as saying that she was a Cid who turned transexual or that she is a dominatrix.

I mean there´s not a single fact that allows you to prove it, plus the interpretation of the paintings themselfes depends a lot from person to person.

[BG-57]

I started a thread a long time ago about this subject, among others. But we only got as far as the Garden, Messenger, and Sleeping paintings. It's an interesting perspective you have.

I thought of Diablos as the Messenger, but my interpretation of the Garden was more allegorical: the Garden of Eden. Eden is of course a GF, but it looks like an organic version of Garden itself. My link to Diablos is that he represents the devil/serpent that corrupted mankind with knowledge of good and evil. So the overall theme of the main painting was corruption, which would suit Ultimecia's taste.

I think Christmas' more literal interpretation is more likely. Although, in the end, the game designers just needed Latin words with I, V, and X.

[BardTard]

Which doesn't answer any of the questions. So like I said, you're just assuming these things are true, when it's just a bunch of things you made up.

If you dont believe Me,who cares.


I didn't see Squall. I was just playing it (actually it is still playing...) and all I saw was a boy looking down. You can't possibly see a face. And if you can't see a face, how can you see Squall's face?

Maybe you dont see Squall's face,but you have to know that Squall will aging so His face will never same,His face will change when He grow older.What I am trying to say is that Man represents Squall.

We are talking about the painting,so stay on topic.

I was staying on topic. Why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting pointless messages on here... Nobody cares. You're not always right you know.

[Qurange]

I think my only problem with the Diablos theory as you presented it would be that FF8's mythology is not our mythology; there is no garden/serpent myth there, as far as I can tell.

And sure, Viator, it makes information, but it's information that I don't think fits with the rest of the feel and spirit of the game.

[Viator]

I thought of Diablos as the Messenger, but my interpretation of the Garden was more allegorical: the Garden of Eden. Eden is of course a GF, but it looks like an organic version of Garden itself. My link to Diablos is that he represents the devil/serpent that corrupted mankind with knowledge of good and evil. So the overall theme of the main painting was corruption, which would suit Ultimecia's taste.

Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia or that picture because


How the hell Ultimecia can know anything about Diablos?
How the hell Ultimecia knows that Diablos sleeps in the Magic Lamp?
So Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia.
So The Man in that painting describe Squall.


I mean there´s not a single fact that allows you to prove it, plus the interpretation of the paintings themselfes depends a lot from person to person.

I already said I dont want to argue about this painter thing if you dont believe it,that is not my problem


I was staying on topic. Why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting pointless messages on here... Nobody cares. You're not always right you know.

Hey take it easy,you misunderstand,I was talking to other people because they talking about the castle instead the painting that's why I told them to stay on topic,got that?


And sure, Viator, it makes information, but it's information that I don't think fits with the rest of the feel and spirit of the game.

It depends on 'perspective'.

[BG-57]

There are few myths that are mentioned explicitly (Hyne and Ultimecia seem to be two), but the creators have exported real mythological characters (Odin, Siren, Gilgamesh, Tiamat, Leviathan, etc...) into the game. It would seem to be reasonable that the myths about them came with them.

As for Ultimecia's knowledge of Diablos, the fact that she's from the future could explain how she knows about him. Any historical information that survives to her time could be used.

Mind you, this is all speculation. I'm not claiming this is true, it just could be.

[Skyblade]

I thought of Diablos as the Messenger, but my interpretation of the Garden was more allegorical: the Garden of Eden. Eden is of course a GF, but it looks like an organic version of Garden itself. My link to Diablos is that he represents the devil/serpent that corrupted mankind with knowledge of good and evil. So the overall theme of the main painting was corruption, which would suit Ultimecia's taste.

Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia or that picture because


How the hell Ultimecia can know anything about Diablos?
How the hell Ultimecia knows that Diablos sleeps in the Magic Lamp?
So Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia.
So The Man in that painting describe Squall.

Unfortunately, before that statement can be accepted, you must first prove that the pictures have some meaning to Ultimecia. You have not done that. You have presented a possible interpretation of how they might be, but you have not given us proof.



I mean there´s not a single fact that allows you to prove it, plus the interpretation of the paintings themselfes depends a lot from person to person.

I already said I dont want to argue about this painter thing if you dont believe it,that is not my problem

You can hardly claim that this is a comprehensive theory when you do not even try to address one of the issues that is at the foundation of your idea.



I was staying on topic. Why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting pointless messages on here... Nobody cares. You're not always right you know.

Hey take it easy,you misunderstand,I was talking to other people because they talking about the castle instead the painting that's why I told them to stay on topic,got that?

Quite wrong, actually. Nearly everything here has been staying on topic. You may not like some of the posts, but that doesn't matter. The topic is discussing the viability of your view of the paintings. However, in order to determine how well your views fit in with the rest of the game, we have to look at the rest of the game. If you take just the paintings, certainly, you could assign them whatever meaning you want. But the paintings are not the only issue here. You claim that the paintings have special significance, yet give no evidence as to why. Furthermore, you do not explain why the paintings would be significant to Ultimecia when nothing else in her castle is. If the paintings have meaning that the game didn't tell us, why wouldn't anything else in the castle have a similar unknown meaning?



And sure, Viator, it makes information, but it's information that I don't think fits with the rest of the feel and spirit of the game.

It depends on 'perspective'.

No, with what you have presented us here, your theory cannot be accepted. Certainly, we can not disprove it, but that doesn't matter. In order to have an acceptable theory, you have to prove that it makes sense in the game world. You have given us a way that it might be interpreted, but nearly all your evidence is speculation, not in-game fact. To have a good theory requires in-game support. To have a good idea for fanfiction, you just require consistency with the game world (not being consistent with the game world is the realm of good fanfiction). Thus, while you have a nice idea, it does not stand up as a theory, because it requires too many assumptions that can't be proven if it were true.

[Ryushikaze]

There are few myths that are mentioned explicitly (Hyne and Ultimecia seem to be two), but the creators have exported real mythological characters (Odin, Siren, Gilgamesh, Tiamat, Leviathan, etc...) into the game. It would seem to be reasonable that the myths about them came with them.

Bahamut was originally a fish. Odin is a dead king in FF4. Quetzlcoatal has no feathers. There are signfigant deviations from the standard to assume that at the least, there are differences.

[BG-57]

Agreed.

But even Odin with two eyes and Sleipnir with six legs are recognizable.

[Serapy]

What is this big deal about Ultemica's castle? Isn't there any proof how the castle was created? Without proof, it's not good enough.

[G SpOtZ]

Mebbeh she bought the paintings. Ooh, I bet she likes auctions. Probably where she got her fake wings too. Or, maybe her castle used to be some sort of museum. And if she's so far into the future, what the hell is with that old-style castle? Damn it's like medieval... Get some style, woman! You look at Esthar and you see all this crazy technology then you see Ulti, who happens to be far into the future, and has an old fashioned castle. Gawd, if I were an evil sorcerer, I'd want a freaking futuristic kingdom with some high-tech security, not just some /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gifty guardians who seal your intruders' magic powers and stuff! Also, I wouldn't express my feelings through paintings. I would express my feelings through killing and time compression! But that's if I'm an evil sorcerer, of course. Which... I'm not. :shifty:
Also, I wouldn't be sittin in a crummy ol' castle alone! I would have some hot, only-slightly-evil-to-the-extent-of-her-enjoying-my-evilness-and-not-killing-me-for-it kind of girl. With a nice rack?
And screw time compression. I'd just try to figure out a way for myself to not age, and let life go on as I make life miserable for everybody else.

In conclusion, Cid Kramer is Ulti with a pair of panties and a do-it-yourself make-over kit.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

Ultimecia was a construction worker before turning into a soreceress and that´s the way she built her litle castle.

[Viator]

As for Ultimecia's knowledge of Diablos, the fact that she's from the future could explain how she knows about him. Any historical information that survives to her time could be used.

Yes,and why She bother about Diablos anyway.So far Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia.So why that picture has to be Diablos.


Unfortunately, before that statement can be accepted, you must first prove that the pictures have some meaning to Ultimecia. You have not done that. You have presented a possible interpretation of how they might be, but you have not given us proof.


How can we find any evidence about those paintings?
All we see just beautiful pictures with mystery and of course only Ultimecia can give the evidence about Her paintings.

I cant give you proof because there's no proof in the game that has a connection with the painting in-game info.I never ask you to accept that.


No, with what you have presented us here, your theory cannot be accepted. Certainly, we can not disprove it, but that doesn't matter. In order to have an acceptable theory, you have to prove that it makes sense in the game world.

I think My theory make senses with the game world and Ultimecia.

Well you dont need to believe it.
I answer that mystery just like anybody else before and My answer is not bad,I guess.

[Serapy]

Whats the sole purpose for ultemica to have a big castle like that? Has anybody ever entered into the castle before, execpt squall and others? Why are there things broken in the castle? something must have happened

[Levian]

Xiphias/Swordfish represents “Freedom”.Swordfish is one of the fastest of all fish.It’s scaleless, muscular body is designed for high-speed swimming. This fish can swim at speeds up to 60 miles (97 kilometers) per hour.Swordfish is free in ocean and hard to catch because of their high-speed swimming. So Ultimecia wants freedom,she can has the freedom to do anything once She achieved Time Compression.


Selphie's dress is yellow, which represents urine. Urine is used by various animals to mark as many territories as possible. Selphie travels the world too. Selphie is a dog.

Does that sound silly? You sound silly. :smash:

[Qurange]

She probably has the castle as a base of operations, and, given that anyone who'd want to compress time would have to be fairly arrogant, that's likely part of why it's so extravagant.

Things might've happened in it before; Squall's group was probably not the first to challenge her, given that it's implied that she'd pretty much waged war on the world of her own time.

[Christmas]

I think My theory make senses with the game world and Ultimecia.

Well you dont need to believe it.
I answer that mystery just like anybody else before and My answer is not bad,I guess.

My PuPu theory makes as much sense as yours.

[BardTard]

I agree with Christmas

[Viator]

If Square said that Ultimecia is the painter you will believe it right away but if I said that you doubt,then why should I bother to prove it if this is the case.

[Zeromus_X]

Square made the game. Although I doubt anything like Ultimecia being a painter is really that important anyway.

[Christmas]

If Square said that Ultimecia is the painter you will believe it right away but if I said that you doubt,then why should I bother to prove it if this is the case.

Cause you didn't make the game. if you dun want to prove anything and insist we believe you, I suggest you think again.

[hb2]

although i think this enitre theory is far-fetched, i will edit this post in a minute with screenshots of the painting. will that make ya happy?

edit:
i must go on with my previous saving for the "before trauma" painting of in the garden sleeps a messenger, but here are the others for now.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4017/ignusfire0wm.th.png (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ignusfire0wm.png)
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1670/inandantiaflood2df.th.png (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inandantiaflood2df.png)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8192/inaudaxcowardice3ne.th.png (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inaudaxcowardice3ne.png)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1422/intervigilium4gw.th.png (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intervigilium4gw.png)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2685/iudiciumjudgment3qg.th.png (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iudiciumjudgment3qg.png)
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2867/venuslove9fy.th.png (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venuslove9fy.png)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1200/viatormessenger2go.th.png (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=viatormessenger2go.png)
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6824/vigilwatchman8ko.th.png (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vigilwatchman8ko.png)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5086/vividariumgarden5tu.th.png (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vividariumgarden5tu.png)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3286/xerampelinaeredclothes1ty.th.png (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xerampelinaeredclothes1ty.png)
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4765/xiphiasswordfish8yw.th.png (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xiphiasswordfish8yw.png)
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2696/xystustreelinedroad5ze.th.png (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xystustreelinedroad5ze.png)
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8183/vividarumetintervigiliumetviat.th.png (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vividarumetintervigiliumetviat.png)

here, now prove your point please....

[Viator]

Thanks hb2.

Vigil,The man on the left and the right look like they want to draw their sword,it sounds there's somekind of danger happens,or maybe they just put their swords back into sheath
Intervigilium,It looks like monster but this monster looks like tree,I think.
Xystus,you can see there's Someone ride a chocobo.

[hb2]

ye, but i recall some theory of the fate of squall destined to face ultimecia, how is that connected with the pictures? or was that somewhere else (a lot of theories here on the forum :P)

[Viator]

In that picture Viator is asleep why maybe because at that time it's not the right time to deliver the message,so Viator sleeps to wait the right time to deliver th message,I hope you can understand now.

[hb2]

and the message is that Ultimecia and Squall's fate are that U dies by the hands of the SeeD names Squall?

[Viator]

Something like that

[hb2]

so basicly that's it, the end or what? of the topic. well, it's a good theory, but it's based on speculation i think. It was interesting viewing this topic though.

[Viator]

Speculation...? Maybe...

[Future Esthar]

I see no person at the picture which activates the boss.Only an ancient like city with triangular-roofed monuments(a la romans).

I also thinks the woman picture depicts Ulti.

[finalfantasyguy4ever]

not another viatorm thread plz we closed one lets not do this again plz close this thread before the tc thing happens again

[rubah]

Bad future esthar. You should know that even you are not allowed to revive threads!