Sorceress' Life Span

[Viator]

In the game in Deling City, Ultimecia said She was Condemned for GENERATIONS, that means She already lives for over more than a century or maybe even more.
That info game is the proof that Sorceress' aging is much slower that human.
With that game info it will destroy Square's theory : Sorceress has the same life span like human.

You can forget Square's theory about Sorceress' Life Span because that theory is wrong.
The Truth is Sorceress' Life Span is much SLOWER that Human.

[Ryushikaze]

Oh shut up. Sorceresses have been reviled throughout time. She was speaking of sorceresses as a concept, not herself.

UOG IS definitive. Stop attempting to argue against the will of the creators of the game. They do have the final say.

[Viator]

In Deling city She said Sorceress NOT sorceresses.
Play that again.

[G SpOtZ]

What Square said about Sorceress' having the same lifespans as of humans wasn't a theory, it was a fact that played a part in the game lol. Come on dude, you're just trying too hard now.

[Viator]

That fact is wrong.

[Ryushikaze]

You heard it here first folks, Viator says facts can be wrong.

[G SpOtZ]

Hahah! I literally laughed out loud. Wow, that is great... Somebody quote that.

[Viator]

You still dont understand what I am talking about?


What Square said about Sorceress' having the same lifespans as of humans wasn't a theory, it was a fact that played a part in the game lol. Come on dude, you're just trying too hard now.

I mean G Spotz said it was fact.
That is not a fact but just a theory.
Get it now?

[G SpOtZ]

It IS a fact. They SAID it was a fact. They put it in the game. What you said is a theory (and a wrong one, at that). Can you not tell the difference?

You're basing a single line from the game (I still have yet to check it) to contradict a fact that has played through out the game. Ridiculous much? Yes, think so.

[Viator]

No matter what are you saying The Truth is Sorceress' Life Span is much SLOWER that Human.

I have proved it.

[Ryushikaze]

...Lowlifes. ...Shameless filthy wretches. How you celebrate my
ascension with such joy. Hailing the very one whom you have condemned
for generations. Have you no shame? What happened to the evil, ruthless
sorceress from your fantasies? The cold-blooded tyrant that slaughtered
countless men and destroyed many nations? Where is she now? She stands
before your very eyes to become your new ruler. HAHAHAHAHA.

Sorceresses have been despised both before, and after the 'present'. Ultimecia's name has probably been despised for generations before her own time, leading to generally bad treatment of sorceresses, which could, ironically, be what led to her insanity, assumption of the mantle, and attempt to recast reality.

Addendum: Y'know, viator, you aren't helping the 'conspiracy theorist' image you've got going by saying "No! The creators are WRONG!"

[G SpOtZ]

...Lowlifes. ...Shameless filthy wretches. How you celebrate my
ascension with such joy. Hailing the very one whom you have condemned
for generations. Have you no shame? What happened to the evil, ruthless
sorceress from your fantasies? The cold-blooded tyrant that slaughtered
countless men and destroyed many nations? Where is she now? She stands
before your very eyes to become your new ruler. HAHAHAHAHA.

Sorceresses have been despised both before, and after the 'present'. Ultimecia's name has probably been despised for generations before her own time, leading to generally bad treatment of sorceresses, which could, ironically, be what led to her insanity, assumption of the mantle, and attempt to recast reality.
You took the words right outta my... mouth? Hands, fingers, mind, whatever.

Also, "generations" being used in this context can be a very general term. You haven't proven a single thing.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

That fact is wrong.
Would it make me a bad person if I was to quote this in my signature?

[G SpOtZ]

That fact is wrong.
Would it make me a bad person if I was to quote this in my signature?
No, I was hoping someone would.

[Christmas]

Does giving elixirs to PuPu have anything to do with your half page long of stuff?

[BardTard]

Hahah! I literally laughed out loud. Wow, that is great... Somebody quote that.

Me too! lol That's probably the funniest thing I've heard all week.

[Hambone]

Why don't you just listen to the creators. THEY made the game. You didn't, Viator.

[Zeromus_X]

Yeah, Lychon had this same problem. He/Her arguments were less laughable though. It's a book. Endorsed by Square. It is canon.

And I may have a new quote in my signature...

[Xurts]

Viator makes me laugh.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

The owners of Square just want you to have fun and play FFVIII for a long long time...and your money too.:rolleyes2
They don´t want you to go that deph into it...well actually they don´t care but it´s all the same:eep:

[Darkwing Bahamut]

You're making way too big a deal out of one little quote that could've meant anything.

[DoaJ]

I totally made it the theme of my sig.....cuz the only other thing in there is some frickin eggs. They're so dumb, but Im too curious.

[Viator]

Why don't you just listen to the creators. THEY made the game. You didn't, Viator.

Because they are wrong.

[G SpOtZ]

Why don't you just listen to the creators. THEY made the game. You didn't, Viator.

Because they are wrong.
Omg. This thread is like... Funny quotes galore. I'm taking this one.

[Viator]

I said "That Fact" not "The Fact".
"That Fact" is a theory.
G Spotz said that is fact but no that is a theory.

[hb2]

generations, well dont we all live more than one generation? cause like, on average a generation is like 20 years right?

and i recall squall of seed writing a theory in the time/u theory at gamefaqs. about people in the future being totally on the lookout for ultimecia and probably like hunting down sorceresses because of what was recorded in the past about squall and co. so she was condemned for a life in fear and being hunted down because she was a sorceress

i can't recall the exact theory but it's in that faq in the ultimecia section.

[G SpOtZ]

I said "That Fact" not "The Fact".
"That Fact" is a theory.
G Spotz said that is fact but no that is a theory.
You make no sense.

Square would not, will not, and DID not make a theory on their own game, because they simply created the game. They don't need to make theories on their own game. That would be ridiculously pointless, and it wouldn't make sense at all. It would probably make as much sense as about half of your posts. What they said about TIME COMPRESSION is a fact, and what they said about Sorceresses having the same lifespan as of humans is a fact. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it even says in the Ultimania Guide that sorceresses have the same lifespan as of humans, and Square has the final say of that, which makes it a fact, not a theory at all. You fail... Again.


Twice. Naked.

[Viator]

I already said before
The authors make Sorcererss has the same life span like human is to destroy R=U theory.If they dont make "that" we still argue about R=U theory and maybe we will believe Rinoa is Ultimecia.So they make that to destroy R=U theory for good.

[hb2]

dont you think they also wrote that to prevent theorys and threads like THIS on

[G SpOtZ]

I already said before
The authors make Sorcererss has the same life span like human is to destroy R=U theory.If they dont make "that" we still argue about R=U theory and maybe we will believe Rinoa is Ultimecia.So they make that to destroy R=U theory for good.
So you're saying that before they completed the game, they knew people would make an R=U theory, so they added a line in the game to contradict a fact of the game, thus creating zero truth? Even so, you would be wrong, because, as I've stated, "zero truth". If you're saying one line can contradict the fact, then the whole fact would even more easily contradict a single line. That's ridiculous.

Also, they would not make a single line just to prevent a theory that fans would make. That would simply be a waste of time and energy. What about all these other theories that people are making? Those sure haven't been prevented or disproven. Take a look at your own, for instance. These ARE theories, poorly backed up theories. In fact, there's already evidence from the game that disprove your theories, but you haven't faced it yet, no matter how many times people feed it to you.

EDIT: If you could, I'd like to see some kind of official notification by Square, saying that you are correct in what you claim to be the facts.

[Xurts]

G SpOtZ, you wouldn't have a link to the FF8 Ultimania Guide, would you? Because I can't seem to find it.

[Rinoa2005]

I already said before
The authors make Sorcererss has the same life span like human is to destroy R=U theory.If they dont make "that" we still argue about R=U theory and maybe we will believe Rinoa is Ultimecia.So they make that to destroy R=U theory for good.

They don't care about the R=U theory. For them it's probably a bunch of crazy people that took the game too seriously.

They don't need to lie and say that sorcerecess have the same life span that humans to destroy the R=U theory. They created the game if they say Rinoa is NOT Ultimecia, that means Rinoa is NOT Ultimecia and if they say sorcerecess have the same life span like humans, that means that sorcerecess have the same life span that humans.

You can't say that square lied to us just because you THINK they are wrong!

[G SpOtZ]

G SpOtZ, you wouldn't have a link to the FF8 Ultimania Guide, would you? Because I can't seem to find it.
\`,

I can't find it, but I'm sure someone's got connections with it.

[f f freak]

Viator you make me laugh with all of the BS you come out with. I can't believe you said the creators were wrong about the game that they created. If they say that sorceresses have the same life span as humans then surprise surprise they have the same life spans as humans. And if the creators say that PuPu is the hero of the game then PuPu is the hero of the game. Whatever the creators say about the games they created is fact not theory. The BS you come out with is a theory not fact. Well I hope that sorts that out.

[Sir Bahamut]

The relevant Ultimania information can be viewed here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Scan.jpg

As translated by DarkAngel, this is what it says:

"Sorceresses

Said to have existed from time immemorial to the present day, the sorceresses are women who are said to have received their powers
from the old god, Hyne. There is, however, no hard evidence to support this claim. Extraordinarily powerful, many sorceresses have harboured ambitions to rule over the world -- as a result, many people have come to equate the Sorceress with fear. However, there are also many Sorceresses who have chosen to live a quiet life sheltered away from civilized society; as such, the actual number of Sorceresses and the amount of power shared between them remains unknown.

The potential to become a sorceress is determined by one's capacity to wield such power -- their natural affinity for magic. This factor helps to determine Sorceress candidates for when a Sorceress passes on all of her power into the next Sorceress. The giving and receiving of power can be made between any two individuals -- it is not necessary for them to be related by blood. A Sorceress' lifespan is the same as a normal human's, however they cannot die until they have passed on their power to the next Sorceress."

Since every sorceress we fight give up their powers directly after being defeated, and judging by Ultimecia giving up her powers in the ending despite her defiant "I cannot die yet!" it seems clear that a dying sorceress is forced by her body to give up her powers after some time so it can die in peace.

Of course, Viator will claim this fact is wrong, so there we are.

[G SpOtZ]

I had a feeling that good ol' Sir B would come along with that. Thanks!

[BardTard]

I think I may possibly know what it may mean.

"the one" and "generations" = Ultimecia, in the bodies of other sorceresses who have been condemned for generations, BUT it was Ultimecia! SO really it was just one sorceress but nobody knew. Just maybe. Makes sense.

[Ryushikaze]

^ Viator, take note. This is an example of a theory which does not contradict observed information, NOR does it violate the principle of parsimony.

[Qurange]

I'd just say that she was using 'The Sorceress' to represent sorceresses throughout time, like some of the others.

[G SpOtZ]

Or, generations could mean the different age groups.

For example:

Grandparents = 1st generation
Parents = 2nd generation
Children = 3rd generation

Too many possibilities, but it doesn't even matter, because Viator already ditched this thread because he lost. =D

[BardTard]

Viator reminds me of Crocker from The Fairly Oddparents.

[Ryushikaze]

There's one key difference. Crocker was right.

[BardTard]

lol yeah but still. they're both kinda nutty I think.

[Arrianna]

I think I may possibly know what it may mean.

"the one" and "generations" = Ultimecia, in the bodies of other sorceresses who have been condemned for generations, BUT it was Ultimecia! SO really it was just one sorceress but nobody knew. Just maybe. Makes sense.Or they did know and were fighting her. After all it said when you get to Ultimacia's Castle that the seeds are fighting her all through time or something like that? (anyone have the exact quote?) I bet she was really sick of seeds.

[Viator]

Hyne can lives for more than thousand of years or even more.
Sorceress in the other hand who has Hyne's power has the same life span like human's... that is ridiculous.
Sorceress has Hyne's power and Hyne's power of cource can make sorceress lives longer than human like Hyne himsellf.

[Hambone]

Why don't you just listen to the creators. THEY made the game. You didn't, Viator.

Because they are wrong.
:eep: *sighs* Yes, Viator, the people that made the game and came up with every single idea for the game are wrong. :rolleyes2

[G SpOtZ]

Hyne can lives for more than thousand of years or even more.
Sorceress in the other hand who has Hyne's power has the same life span like human's... that is ridiculous.
Sorceress has Hyne's power and Hyne's power of cource can make sorceress lives longer than human like Hyne himsellf.
Hyne is a legend. It's not even stated that he's the real god of the world. Show me a direct quote and/or screenshot from the game that says Hyne lives and HAS lived for thousands of years. Also, show me solid direct proof that he exists within the game during the time. Right now, you're making ridiculous assumptions that aren't backed up and are solely based on perspective, and you already said the creators are wrong. You've already pushed it too far, and you lost, face it.
You realllly need to get your facts straight, and start analyzing the game for WHAT IS THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. It's almost like (in all of your threads, not just this one) that you're looking AROUND the obvious facts, and making ridiculous assumptions of your own. I think reality needs to come along and kick you in the face. (That's not a personal attack, it's an analogy, or something.)

[Viator]

Legend of Vascaroon

Once upon a time there was a person named Hyne. Hyne was the ruler of the world. He became lazy and decided to make a tool to make his life easier. Hyne made a neat tool. His tool could make more tools by itself. Soon there were a lot of tools in the world. These tools were actually people.

When Hyne woke up, he was surprised because there were a lot of people. Hyne wanted to reduce the number of people, and used magic to burn up a lot of small people. The small people were children. The people cherished the children very much. So the people rebelled against Hyne. Hyne used powerful magic to fight them. The people couldn't use magic, but they had wisdom.

Eventually, Hyne began to lose the war, because there were too many people to fight, and they were getting smarter. Therefore, he decided to make peace with people by offering them half of his body along with his powers. Hyne cut his body in half and gave the people half as he promised.

Then, another war started. People began to fight over the power Hyne offered them through his body. This war lasted decades. Finally, King Zebalga and the Zebalga tribe emerged victorious and demanded Hyne's body-half to get its pwers. But the body ignored their commands.

Then, Vascaroon came to the rescue. He appeared before the confused Zebalgas and revealed to them that Hyne's half-body was corrupt and possessed no real power. The body-half was actually Hyne's castoff skin. The Zebalgas were angered by this truth, and decided to destroy Hyne. The Zebalgas never found Hyne. People began to call him "Hyne the Magician" and continued to hunt him for centuries to come.

That story shows us that Hyne already lives more that thousand of years

[G SpOtZ]

Again, it's a legend and a story. That story is told by a girl to some children in the white SeeD ship. It's told ONCE in the story, and you don't even have to listen to it. That's not even valid for your arguement.

[Viator]

No matter what are you saying Hyne is alive;Hyne is real.

[Zeromus_X]

No matter what you are saying you are wrong; you lose.

[G SpOtZ]

No matter what are you saying Hyne is alive;Hyne is real.
I was gonna comment you on using the semi-colon correctly... but you didn't. Besides that, you're completely wrong.

You have no proof that Hyne is alive. I'll give you one thing: you have proof that Hyne was a legend. However, it does not go any farther than that. Please contact Square to let them know you're raping and fudgepacking their stories with theories and nonsense. Or a psychiatrist. Both. You can't really back up your theories by saying I'm wrong, with absolutely ZERO proof to back it up.

[Viator]

In the game only Esthar soldiers who searching for successor Not Adel.
Esthar soldiers want to find another sorceress who can beat Adel.

[G SpOtZ]

In the game only Esthar soldiers who searching for successor Not Adel.
Esthar soldiers want to find another sorceress who can beat Adel.
I'm not going to deny you of that... But please give me a direct quote and/or screenshot of it for solid backup.

[DoaJ]

I love this entire thread. This thread should go into that section with all the ones "they couldn't let die" becuase it fits so well....but if it does, somebody should delete this post. lol. Viator. Viator, Viator, Viator. You so funny. Did somebody forget to take their pill...again?

[G SpOtZ]

I love this entire thread. This thread should go into that section with all the ones "they couldn't let die" becuase it fits so well....but if it does, somebody should delete this post. lol. Viator. Viator, Viator, Viator. You so funny. Did somebody forget to take their pill...again?
That's not very fair. How do you know he takes pills? Maybe he has his nurses give him shots. You shouldn't just jump to conclusions like that... Or make random assumptions. :shifty:

[DoaJ]

I love this entire thread. This thread should go into that section with all the ones "they couldn't let die" becuase it fits so well....but if it does, somebody should delete this post. lol. Viator. Viator, Viator, Viator. You so funny. Did somebody forget to take their pill...again?
That's not very fair. How do you know he takes pills? Maybe he has his nurses give him shots. You shouldn't just jump to conclusions like that... Or make random assumptions. :shifty:

I love you, too.

[f f freak]

No matter what are you saying Hyne is alive;Hyne is real

Please give us proof of this and not just some story. I want a screenshot of hyne alive and talking. Of course this is impossible so you might as well give up.


Sorceress in the other hand who has Hyne's power has the same life span like human's... that is ridiculous.

No it isn't. It says they have Hyne's power so what makes you think they have his life span if Hyne exists at all.

[Rinoa2005]

In the game only Esthar soldiers who searching for successor Not Adel.
Esthar soldiers want to find another sorceress who can beat Adel.
You are wrong... Esthar soldiers were searching for a successor under Adel's orders.

[Fonzie]

All of this makes sense to me.



























































































































Just kidding :D

[abrojtm]

Am I the only one who thinks Future Esthar and Viator are the same person purposely trolling the FFVIII boards?

[f f freak]

Am I the only one who thinks Future Esthar and Viator are the same person purposely trolling the FFVIII boards?

No you are not.

[enigma1234]

There was a thread like this before right?

[Arrianna]

Yes... but they're so funny!

It makes my day to open the forum and see that Viator has started another thread.

[G SpOtZ]

Am I the only one who thinks Future Esthar and Viator are the same person purposely trolling the FFVIII boards?

No you are not.
I can give you both proof that they are not the same person. Watch:



"Because you are wrong."


^ See? I proved it.

[Xurts]

Am I the only one who thinks Future Esthar and Viator are the same person purposely trolling the FFVIII boards?

No you are not.
I can give you both proof that they are not the same person. Watch:



"Because you are wrong."


^ See? I proved it.
I'm sorry G Spotz, but that fact is wrong. And I am right. So you have to listen to everything I say.

[G SpOtZ]

Am I the only one who thinks Future Esthar and Viator are the same person purposely trolling the FFVIII boards?

No you are not.
I can give you both proof that they are not the same person. Watch:



"Because you are wrong."


^ See? I proved it.
I'm sorry G Spotz, but that fact is wrong. And I am right. So you have to listen to everything I say.
You did not correct all the capital letters in my username that need to be capitalized, therefore, Ulti is trying to absorb time, not compress it, meaning Hyne lives forever, which means Edea will live forever because she said so, even though in the game they said they live the same lifespan as humans, therefore your facts are wrong also. I see you don't understand me, so why bother? Read it over again, or read my other posts in various unrelated threads to see if you can understand.

[Xurts]

Am I the only one who thinks Future Esthar and Viator are the same person purposely trolling the FFVIII boards?

No you are not.
I can give you both proof that they are not the same person. Watch:



"Because you are wrong."


^ See? I proved it.
I'm sorry G Spotz, but that fact is wrong. And I am right. So you have to listen to everything I say.
You did not correct all the capital letters in my username that need to be capitalized, therefore, Ulti is trying to absorb time, not compress it, meaning Hyne lives forever, which means Edea will live forever because she said so, even though in the game they said they live the same lifespan as humans, therefore your facts are wrong also. I see you don't understand me, so why bother? Read it over again, or read my other posts in various unrelated threads to see if you can understand.
But that does not explain why Ellone never uses her power to go to the future. That's why your above statement is false. Ultimecia's evil twin, Ultimesir went back into time and brainwashed Ellone and made her forget how to go to the future. Then Ultimesir creates a new universe and spells out the word 'ox' with time loops. But Ultimecia doesn't know how to do this so she goes to the past and kills Ultimesir. I will explain it in this simple diagram:

/<<<--------B-------@@#-----E--><<>
-------------///.-.-.-.-.^><=\||||||||||
54########D-----------T
>------------<>------MMM?

That is why I am right and the game is wrong.

[G SpOtZ]

/<<<--------B-------@@#-----E--><<>
-------------///.-.-.-.-.^><=\||||||||||
54########D-----------T
>------------<>------MMM?

That is why I am right and the game is wrong.
That's allllllll wrong. Here is the real diagram.

/<<<--------B-------@@#-----3--><<>
-------------///.-.-.-.-.^><=\||||||||||
54########D-----------T
>------------<>------MMM?

You got it mixed up.

[Outer Heaven]

/<<<--------B-------@@#-----E--><<>
-------------///.-.-.-.-.^><=\||||||||||
54########D-----------T
>------------<>------MMM?

That is why I am right and the game is wrong.
That's allllllll wrong. Here is the real diagram.

/<<<--------B-------@@#-----3--><<>
-------------///.-.-.-.-.^><=\||||||||||
54########D-----------T
>------------<>------MMM?

You got it mixed up.

LMAO you guys are hilarious.
Did Viator give up?

[Ryushikaze]

No no no. I explained this all before in my thread- why bunnies are fluffy. Refer back to it, because explaining your argument is a sign of weakness.

[BardTard]

Viator should have never played Final Fantasy 8. It makes for good entertainment, though. :lol:

[vampirepiggyhunter7]

When they said generations, it was OBVIOUSLY the fastest conceiving family, the Durtstundts. At 16 (10 years after the sorceress was condemned) Gerald D. had his fisrt child with Anetta Bodina.
Their children were twins boys, who both developed at an early age. At the age of 10, the conceived children with Mittens and Flora, two local sheep. When those boys were born, they inhereted their fathers' fast-developingness, and got fresh with 5 and 7 different rabbits, Koko, Nullies, Tulli, Gibbles, and Majesty on Mittens side, and Florina, Sassles, Dera, Uncle Duckface, Shingles, Delinquent, and Wuvwy Wunderful Wucy on Flora's side. Those rabbits immediatly had children.
They were classified as their own race, so that's what they meant. A typical Durtstundt looked like this:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/grimangelbellybutton/Random%20Stuff/crack.jpg
They meant she was condemned for generations in Durtstundt terms.

[BardTard]

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:lol:






:mog:

[vampirepiggyhunter7]

So there.

[Xurts]

Well since I have been proven wrong I guess I will conveniently forget that this topic ever existed.

[G SpOtZ]

This should be archived.

[Arrianna]

Can I add to the requests for this to be archived? I read the entire thread to some friends last night and had them in stitches. I don't think my husband has laughed that hard in a long time.