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Aradae
07-23-2006, 04:49 AM
Does .999999...~ = 1 ?

Giga Guess
07-23-2006, 04:56 AM
Jeez...my head FINALLY stops hurting from the last time this question showed up, and you bring it back again, Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 04:57 AM
<a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=45989">Oh, lord.</a>

I am of the personal opinion that it does.

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 04:58 AM
God. I hated the last thread about this. :cry:

Aradae
07-23-2006, 04:59 AM
4-8-15-16-23-42

Doomie
07-23-2006, 05:00 AM
Where's Unne when you need him.

N8V_Tidus25
07-23-2006, 05:05 AM
well if you use a calculator it equals the same number .999999... so I guess it's .000001 to short, no matter the number of 9's that go on, it will always be short by .1 of being equal to 1. or am I wrong?

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 05:15 AM
well if you use a calculator it equals the same number .999999... so I guess it's .000001 to short, no matter the number of 9's that go on, it will always be short by .1 of being equal to 1. or am I wrong?
Yes, because the number of 9s that go on is infinite, therefore the number of 0s before a 1 that it would take to get the number up to 1 is infinite, therefore it takes .0000000~ to get to 1, which means that .99999~ = 1.

Aradae
07-23-2006, 05:17 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1

oddler
07-23-2006, 05:26 AM
Does .999999...~ = 1 ?

If you say yes, then you are saying that 1 = 2 and 3 = 7,302 and 1,304,632 = -42.

Simple as that.

Place value... 0.999... < 1.000... because 0 < 1.

:spin: Refute that with something more complicated and I most likely won't understand you anyway. :spin:

Xaven
07-23-2006, 05:27 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1
Sure, use this one.

I'm not very good at wording things like this. Go into the thread linked in Kirobaito's post to get your answer.

Yes, .999...! = 1.

Shiny
07-23-2006, 05:32 AM
.999999 = .99 repeating

.99 rounded = 1

I suck at math.

G SpOtZ
07-23-2006, 05:39 AM
I refuse to grace math with my wonderful presence.

Aradae
07-23-2006, 05:40 AM
What is the question to the ultimate answer of life, the univers and everything?

oddler
07-23-2006, 05:46 AM
I don't really know what you just asked. What is the meaning of life and the answer to the universe?

Easily the result is 42.

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 05:48 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 05:51 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.

N8V_Tidus25
07-23-2006, 05:51 AM
I always got F's in math and yes I dropped out as well but aradae, please tell me you were kidding cause' I'll laugh with you if you were.

Aradae
07-23-2006, 05:54 AM
I didn't know you guys already had this argument. Has this board undergone it's chuck norris phase yet

Edit: LOL, CN the texas walker ranger has been filtered to Raol Duke. I'm assuming the mods here grew tired of him too.

Xaven
07-23-2006, 05:54 AM
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
Yes. (You're better at articulating your thoughts than I am. :3)

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 05:57 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
If you add the infinity nothing does, but if there is no infinity and the number spiraled throughout forever, an infinate .00000 with a 1 at the end would as well. .9999999999999999999~ then .00000000000000000>1~. 0 does not = 1.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 06:04 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
If you add the infinity nothing does, but if there is no infinity and the number spiraled throughout forever, an infinate .00000 with a 1 at the end would as well. .9999999999999999999~ then .00000000000000000>1~. 0 does not = 1.
There's no such thing as an infinite .0000 with a 1 at the end. If something is infinite then it never ends. If there was a 1 at the end then it wouldn't be infinite.

LunarWeaver
07-23-2006, 06:05 AM
I don't understand anything that I just read.

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 06:10 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
If you add the infinity nothing does, but if there is no infinity and the number spiraled throughout forever, an infinate .00000 with a 1 at the end would as well. .9999999999999999999~ then .00000000000000000>1~. 0 does not = 1.
There's no such thing as an infinite .0000 with a 1 at the end. If something is infinite then it never ends. If there was a 1 at the end then it wouldn't be infinite.
Then how do we not know there's not something at the end of all the 9's. What if there is a 1 or a 3 or a 4 we can't see due to the fact we think that it's just constant 9's. 1.1 isn't even one. It is 1 and 1/10.
So if we don't count as 1.1 as 1. (1 1/10)
Why would we count .9999~

Christmas
07-23-2006, 06:12 AM
DOES DISLIKE ~ = HATE?

Yamaneko
07-23-2006, 06:12 AM
The Firefox vs. IE threads are better than this.

abrojtm
07-23-2006, 06:15 AM
Probably.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 06:15 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
If you add the infinity nothing does, but if there is no infinity and the number spiraled throughout forever, an infinate .00000 with a 1 at the end would as well. .9999999999999999999~ then .00000000000000000>1~. 0 does not = 1.
There's no such thing as an infinite .0000 with a 1 at the end. If something is infinite then it never ends. If there was a 1 at the end then it wouldn't be infinite.
Then how do we not know there's not something at the end of all the 9's. What if there is a 1 or a 3 or a 4 we can't see due to the fact we think that it's just constant 9's. 1.1 isn't even one. It is 1 and 1/10.
So if we don't count as 1.1 as 1. (1 1/10)
Why would we count .9999~
There ISN'T something at the end of all the 9's because there IS no end to all the 9's. .99999~ is an INFINITE amount of decimal places, meaning that the 9s go on forever and ever and ever and ever. 1.1 isn't 1 because 1.1 - 1 = 0.1. 1 - .999999~ = .00000~, which can be written as 0, therefore they are the same number.

Aradae
07-23-2006, 06:19 AM
The Firefox vs. IE threads are better than this.

IE pwns Firefox IMO

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 06:21 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
If you add the infinity nothing does, but if there is no infinity and the number spiraled throughout forever, an infinate .00000 with a 1 at the end would as well. .9999999999999999999~ then .00000000000000000>1~. 0 does not = 1.
There's no such thing as an infinite .0000 with a 1 at the end. If something is infinite then it never ends. If there was a 1 at the end then it wouldn't be infinite.
Then how do we not know there's not something at the end of all the 9's. What if there is a 1 or a 3 or a 4 we can't see due to the fact we think that it's just constant 9's. 1.1 isn't even one. It is 1 and 1/10.
So if we don't count as 1.1 as 1. (1 1/10)
Why would we count .9999~
There ISN'T something at the end of all the 9's because there IS no end to all the 9's. .99999~ is an INFINITE amount of decimal places, meaning that the 9s go on forever and ever and ever and ever. 1.1 isn't 1 because 1.1 - 1 = 0.1. 1 - .999999~ = .00000~, which can be written as 0, therefore they are the same number.
I didn't think you could subtract infinities, yes, it would equal zero with the infinity's but the fact I can't get my head around, is if the 9's stopped for what ever reason, because non-infinitive, 1 - .9999999999999999999999999 would = .0000000000000000000000001
I just don't see 1 as being an infinite. That's like saying 2.99999999999999~ is 3. and 3.99999999999~ is 4 and so on.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 06:23 AM
.33333... = 1/3

.33333... X 3 = .999999... = 3/3 = 1


(1/3)(3) = 3/3 does not equal .9999 because it is a whole. .9999 is a .000001 away from being a whole. 1 is a whole number. .9999 is a decimal. Yes it can be rounded. But it's like when people say there's a 99% chance of a medicine not working, people believe it as fool proof, when one person comes in and the medicine does not work, that is the reason of it not being 100% and or in this case, 1 or a full whole number.
But what number separates .99999~ and 1? The answer is 0.000000~, or 0. Therefore, they are the same number.
If you add the infinity nothing does, but if there is no infinity and the number spiraled throughout forever, an infinate .00000 with a 1 at the end would as well. .9999999999999999999~ then .00000000000000000>1~. 0 does not = 1.
There's no such thing as an infinite .0000 with a 1 at the end. If something is infinite then it never ends. If there was a 1 at the end then it wouldn't be infinite.
Then how do we not know there's not something at the end of all the 9's. What if there is a 1 or a 3 or a 4 we can't see due to the fact we think that it's just constant 9's. 1.1 isn't even one. It is 1 and 1/10.
So if we don't count as 1.1 as 1. (1 1/10)
Why would we count .9999~
There ISN'T something at the end of all the 9's because there IS no end to all the 9's. .99999~ is an INFINITE amount of decimal places, meaning that the 9s go on forever and ever and ever and ever. 1.1 isn't 1 because 1.1 - 1 = 0.1. 1 - .999999~ = .00000~, which can be written as 0, therefore they are the same number.
I didn't think you could subtract infinities, yes, it would equal zero with the infinity's but the fact I can't get my head around, is if the 9's stopped for what ever reason, because non-infinitive, 1 - .9999999999999999999999999 would = .0000000000000000000000001
I just don't see 1 as being an infinite. That's like saying 2.99999999999999~ is 3. and 3.99999999999~ is 4 and so on.
But the 9s don't stop for whatever reason. You don't NEED to get your mind around it because in the number .99999~, the 9s never stop. They're infinite.You're right, 1- .9999999999 = .00000000001. But .9999999999 =/= .9999999999~.

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 06:26 AM
*takes the quotes off*
Okay but since you can -normally- put things into analogys.

If I had a pie and .9999999~ was gone, which would prolly be microscopic and never noticable, the pie would still not be whole.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 06:27 AM
*takes the quotes off*
Okay but since you can -normally- put things into analogys.

If I had a pie and .9999999~ was gone, which would prolly be microscopic and never noticable, the pie would still not be whole.
OK. Show me the number which represents how much is supposedly left.

Aradae
07-23-2006, 06:29 AM
*takes the quotes off*
Okay but since you can -normally- put things into analogys.

If I had a pie and .9999999~ was gone, which would prolly be microscopic and never noticable, the pie would still not be whole.
OK. Show me the number which represents how much is supposedly left.


.00000...

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 06:29 AM
*takes the quotes off*
Okay but since you can -normally- put things into analogys.

If I had a pie and .9999999~ was gone, which would prolly be microscopic and never noticable, the pie would still not be whole.
OK. Show me the number which represents how much is supposedly left.


.00000...
Precisely. There is no pie left.

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 06:30 AM
*takes the quotes off*
Okay but since you can -normally- put things into analogys.

If I had a pie and .9999999~ was gone, which would prolly be microscopic and never noticable, the pie would still not be whole.
OK. Show me the number which represents how much is supposedly left.
Like you said, just becuase you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. In this case the missing peice is not there, it may be insignifigant but maths about facts and pure truths. That one missing peice makes the idea faulty and not a pure number as 1.

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 06:32 AM
*takes the quotes off*
Okay but since you can -normally- put things into analogys.

If I had a pie and .9999999~ was gone, which would prolly be microscopic and never noticable, the pie would still not be whole.
OK. Show me the number which represents how much is supposedly left.
Like you said, just becuase you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. In this case the missing peice is not there, it may be insignifigant but maths about facts and pure truths. That one missing peice makes the idea faulty and not a pure number as 1.
Math is about facts and pure truth, and if you can't show me the number which represents the portion of the pie that is left besides .00000~ (which is the correct answer), then there is no pie left, because .0000~ is a never ending line of 0s.

EDIT: I shouldn't say that math is about facts and pure truth because a lot of math is abstract, but you get my point. I hope.

Aradae
07-23-2006, 06:34 AM
three people who saw this thread died due to their head exploding

Avarice-ness
07-23-2006, 06:58 AM
three people who saw this thread died due to their head exploding
Yeah. I totally got distracted. There has to be a loophole, there's a loophole to everything. I'll find it. >=D

bipper
07-23-2006, 07:52 AM
Mathmatics is just falable. Don't loose any sleep over that F in algebra kids! The new math will be much more ruthless.

eemica
07-23-2006, 08:06 AM
if you round it..yes.

Xaven
07-23-2006, 08:57 AM
if you round it..yes.
We dun need to round it. :D

There is NO number between 0.999~ and 1. Nothing. No little microscobic bit. In the wonderful decimal system, 0.999~ = 1. :D

Bart's Friend Milhouse
07-23-2006, 09:43 AM
Does .999999...~ = 1 ?

What does the ~ mean?

Xaven
07-23-2006, 11:04 AM
Does .999999...~ = 1 ?

What does the ~ mean?
Right now, they're using "~" as a sign for "continued". Like, 0.999~ is 0.99999999999999999999999999-- and so on. It never ever stops.

...Isn't it supposed to be a "!", though? "!"s do something like that.

Psydekick
07-23-2006, 11:08 AM
God. I hated the last thread about this. :cry:Same ere and i hate this one

Zeromus_X
07-23-2006, 11:11 AM
Does it really smurfing matter? This is exactly why I despise math.

Furthermore,



Jeez...my head FINALLY stops hurting from the last time this question showed up, and you bring it back again, Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Bart's Friend Milhouse
07-23-2006, 11:20 AM
Does .999999...~ = 1 ?

What does the ~ mean?
Right now, they're using "~" as a sign for "continued". Like, 0.999~ is 0.99999999999999999999999999-- and so on. It never ever stops.

...Isn't it supposed to be a "!", though? "!"s do something like that.

! is the factorial of the number. I'm not sure whether 0.9! exists

Aradae
07-23-2006, 02:54 PM
actually ~= means apporximately equal to

Kirobaito
07-23-2006, 03:10 PM
Does .999999...~ = 1 ?

What does the ~ mean?
Right now, they're using "~" as a sign for "continued". Like, 0.999~ is 0.99999999999999999999999999-- and so on. It never ever stops.

...Isn't it supposed to be a "!", though? "!"s do something like that.
For the person a few posts above who pointed out 0.9!, that doesn't exist. Factorials only exist in positive integers.

It would be 0.99 with a line drawn over the 9s if you wanted to say that the 9 goes on forever.

Giga Guess
07-23-2006, 03:57 PM
Right now, they're using "~" as a sign for "continued". Like, 0.999~ is 0.99999999999999999999999999-- and so on. It never ever stops.

...Isn't it supposed to be a "!", though? "!"s do something like that.


THIS one I know...and it can only exist with whole numbers.

"!" (And I don't recall what it's called, but I'm fairly sure KB got it as a factorial) was a symbol we used in statistics, but basically, it means you multiply every subsequent number until you reach one. For example:

9! = 9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1